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The shit happening at UCLA is fucking unacceptable.  Jewish students being blocked from accessing areas of campus.  Total destruction of campus property.  Royce Hall graffiti’s, and defaced.  Pisses m

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"The violence we witnessed last night has irrevocably shaken many of us on the Review," the editors of the Columbia Law Review wrote.

First time ever that being an editor on law review harming rather than helping future job prospects.

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If any of y'all had "Muslim Chad" on your 2024 bingo card, hurry and get a lottery ticket before midnight 'cause you are on a fucking roll right now.  

I certainly didn't have the far left and Nazis merging ideologies on my bingo card.

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40 minutes ago, Parliament said:

And the Horseshoe Theory of politics.  The extremists on both sides of an issue actually agree with eachother.

I've always heard of it as a circle, but yea, same, same.

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Enemy of thigh enemy and all that jazz.

Thigh enemy...SFW, but maybe not life.

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2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

So for all the folks saying that protesting doesn't do shit and is just inconveniencing people, it seems notable that the US is pausing ammo shipments to Israel

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/05/israel-us-ammunition-shipment-hold

 

Just serving up red meat for the opposition by appeasing the extremists.

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5 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

Just serving up red meat for the opposition by appeasing the extremists.

Just to clarify, what is the "red meat", who is the "opposition", and who are the "extremists" that you mean? Israel appears to be ramping up to fully invade and take land by aggression. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/live-updates-israel-urges-civilians-leave-eastern-rafah-cease-fire-hop-rcna150801

That isn't something my tax dollars should be going to. They should be going to wars of national defense, like in Ukraine, rather than wars of aggression that has killed tens of thousands of civilians while killing a few thousand terrorists. 

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22 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Just to clarify, what is the "red meat", who is the "opposition", and who are the "extremists" that you mean? Israel appears to be ramping up to fully invade and take land by aggression. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/live-updates-israel-urges-civilians-leave-eastern-rafah-cease-fire-hop-rcna150801

That isn't something my tax dollars should be going to. They should be going to wars of national defense, like in Ukraine, rather than wars of aggression that has killed tens of thousands of civilians while killing a few thousand terrorists. 

That’s great and I can even agree with much of what you are saying, however as this is an election year this is not the best time for this.

As a moderate who does not want “he who shall not be named” reelected, not supporting Israel will rally his base and alienate many in the middle who do not agree with these protests/protesters. I’m firmly in the camp of sit down and shut up for the next few months and don’t give the opposition any ammunition.

You can have which ever opinion you wish, but caving to the childish antics of those so far extreme that even liberal Saturday night live is making fun of…doesn’t bode well for November. We’re past the primaries, where the candidates historically are supposed to be pivoting to the middle.

Keeping the status quo would be the middle. Increasing shipments of weapons would lean too far right, restricting shipments leans too far left and thus they are handing “red meat” to the opposition who will use it like a cudgel during this election cycle to sway those in the middle.

It’s highly likely that anyone supporting Palestine is already in your camp. So while you can celebrate this as a short term win for that cause, this may be one of the things that could hand the election of your the opposition. And if they win, what do you think the ramifications will be to the Palestinian cause? Win the battle but lose the war.

That’s as close to a CR from me as you’re bound to get.

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4 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

Keeping the status quo would be the middle. Increasing shipments of weapons would lean too far right, restricting shipments leans too far left and thus they are handing “red meat” to the opposition who will use it like a cudgel during this election cycle to sway those in the middle.

It’s highly likely that anyone supporting Palestine is already in your camp. So while you can celebrate this as a short term win for that cause, this may be one of the things that could hand the election of your the opposition. And if they win, what do you think the ramifications will be to the Palestinian cause? Win the battle but lose the war.

Historically speaking, shutting up and sitting on your hands and hoping that the authoritarians will stop and go away is not very successful. Analyzing every action taken and worrying about "handing red meat" is a red herring.

They'll always find something to demonize and convert into red meat for the base. So just do what you were gonna do already because they already were going to grab whatever they could find and swing it like a cudgel. 

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On 5/3/2024 at 9:49 AM, 956 Worldwide said:

This isn’t funny or cool, it’s sad and gross. 

Check out who lol-repped that post. It’s a rogues gallery of local deplorables.

Racists suck. I’m siding with Penelope.

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Also, just a point of order, "national socialist" was an intentional misnomer to troll the socialists and engender working class support. Nazis and authoritarians are intellectually dishonest fucks, whodathunkit

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

 

Edit: lulz that an anti-vaxxer is the person making that mistake (judging from clicking on his profile and reading 3 tweets down)

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26 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Historically speaking, shutting up and sitting on your hands and hoping that the authoritarians will stop and go away is not very successful. Analyzing every action taken and worrying about "handing red meat" is a red herring.

They'll always find something to demonize and convert into red meat for the base. So just do what you were gonna do already because they already were going to grab whatever they could find and swing it like a cudgel. 

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Take the results from this recent poll (note the date and time of its release) for whatever it's worth, but the status quo of US support isn't too popular. Yeah, some of the protesters' antics have been ridiculous/unacceptable, but that doesn't mean the core message is necessarily unpopular.

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Americans' Support for Israel Aid Slides
Published May 06, 2024 at 11:25 AM EDT

The number of Americans who believe the United States should decrease the amount of financial and military support it provides to Israel is rising, according to a poll.

A Redfield & Wilton Strategies survey of 1,500 eligible voters, conducted exclusively for Newsweek on May 1, found that 36 percent believed the U.S. should decrease aid to Israel amid its ongoing war with Palestinian militant group Hamas in Gaza, a rise of 9 points from 27 percent in a previous poll from March.

The latest poll also found that fewer people (30 percent) believe the U.S. should "maintain" the amount of financial and military aid to Israel compared to March (39 percent). Nearly a third (31 percent) of voters think the U.S. is currently providing "too much" support to Israel, more than those who believe the U.S. proves "too little" (24 percent) or the "right amount" (25 percent).

The survey arrives after Congress passed a series of foreign aid bills, which included providing nearly $15 billion in additional military aid to Israel amid the Hamas conflict in the wake of the October 7 attack by the militant group that killed 1,200 Israelis. President Joe Biden has faced scrutiny, including from progressive members of the Democrat Party over his handling of the Israel-Hamas war.

Biden has also faced accusations that is helping support a genocide of the Palestinian people by backing Israel and failing to call for a permanent ceasefire. At least 34,735 Palestinians have been killed and more than 78,100 injured in Gaza during Israel's military attacks since October 7, Reuters reported, citing Gaza's Health Ministry.

The survey also found that 40 percent of voters disapprove of Biden's response to the war in Gaza, including nearly a quarter (24 percent) saying they "strongly disapprove." A total of 29 percent said they approve of how Biden is handling the conflict, giving the president a net approval rating on the issue of -11 points.

 

 

Note for full transparency: 538 rates them a little above the middle of the pack, ranked 110 out of 277.

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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

 

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56 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

That’s great and I can even agree with much of what you are saying, however as this is an election year this is not the best time for this.

As a moderate who does not want “he who shall not be named” reelected, not supporting Israel will rally his base and alienate many in the middle who do not agree with these protests/protesters. I’m firmly in the camp of sit down and shut up for the next few months and don’t give the opposition any ammunition.

You can have which ever opinion you wish, but caving to the childish antics of those so far extreme that even liberal Saturday night live is making fun of…doesn’t bode well for November. We’re past the primaries, where the candidates historically are supposed to be pivoting to the middle.

Keeping the status quo would be the middle. Increasing shipments of weapons would lean too far right, restricting shipments leans too far left and thus they are handing “red meat” to the opposition who will use it like a cudgel during this election cycle to sway those in the middle.

It’s highly likely that anyone supporting Palestine is already in your camp. So while you can celebrate this as a short term win for that cause, this may be one of the things that could hand the election of your the opposition. And if they win, what do you think the ramifications will be to the Palestinian cause? Win the battle but lose the war.

That’s as close to a CR from me as you’re bound to get.

This has been in the works for a couple of weeks and has way more to do with the invasion of Rafah than college protests. They’re just hoping these college kids see the headline and then go back to scrolling tiktok. It’ll probably work.  

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2 hours ago, Captainant said:

Just to clarify, what is the "red meat", who is the "opposition", and who are the "extremists" that you mean? Israel appears to be ramping up to fully invade and take land by aggression. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/live-updates-israel-urges-civilians-leave-eastern-rafah-cease-fire-hop-rcna150801

That isn't something my tax dollars should be going to. They should be going to wars of national defense, like in Ukraine, rather than wars of aggression that has killed tens of thousands of civilians while killing a few thousand terrorists. 

Totally different argument. The protestors have totally wasted their time. 

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The latest poll also found that fewer people (30 percent) believe the U.S. should "maintain" the amount of financial and military aid to Israel compared to March (39 percent). Nearly a third (31 percent) of voters think the U.S. is currently providing "too much" support to Israel, more than those who believe the U.S. proves "too little" (24 percent) or the "right amount" (25 percent).

So this proves my point.

31% too much Support for Israel
25% think this is the right amount
24% too little
20% who the fuck knows 

At least 49% prefer the status quo or more.

So the current government in power is going to make 31% happy that are already in their camp. We know the other side has generally less than 50% of the vote so a good portion of that “right amount” are likely swing voters that could decide the election.

That is my only point here.

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So this proves my point.

31% too much Support for Israel
25% think this is the right amount
24% too little
20% who the fuck knows 

At least 49% prefer the status quo or more.

So the current government in power is going to make 31% happy that are already in their camp. We know the other side has generally less than 50% of the vote so a good portion of that “right amount” are likely swing voters that could decide the election.

That is my only point here.

Not if the share of those who feel US aid should decrease keeps rising. But, yes, I'll concede it's a mixed bag right now, though opposition could keep growing. We'll have to see how the Rafah invasion is handled and how Americans react to any potential excess carnage.

A Redfield & Wilton Strategies survey of 1,500 eligible voters, conducted exclusively for Newsweek on May 1, found that 36 percent believed the U.S. should decrease aid to Israel amid its ongoing war with Palestinian militant group Hamas in Gaza, a rise of 9 points from 27 percent in a previous poll from March.

Another 9-point rise (45%) would constitute a clear plurality of opposition.

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32 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Ohio might use an anti-Klan law on the protestors.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/education/2024/05/06/some-student-protesters-could-face-felonies-because-of-an-old-ohio-law/73588920007/
 

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Ohio Revised Code 3761.12 makes it a felony to commit a crime with two or more people while wearing white caps, masks or other disguise

Oooooh man that's some good turning a shield into a sword and finding an old law meant to target klansmen and now using it to shut down peaceful assembly. To use that law in that way is an implicit equivocation of what these university protesters are doing to what the KKK was doing.

It's diluting what the KKK was and did and STILL FUCKING IS to threaten and target college students with this law

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49 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Ohio might use an anti-Klan law on the protestors.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/education/2024/05/06/some-student-protesters-could-face-felonies-because-of-an-old-ohio-law/73588920007/
 

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https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/columns/2022/12/08/columbus-police-proud-boys-high-five-drag-queen-storytime-protest/69701577007/ 

During a Saturday protest that drew a motley assortment of right-wing extremists and an equally vocal contingent of counter-protesters, a Columbus police sergeant drew immediate scrutiny from members of the latter group when he high-fived a member of the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist organization that Canada branded a terrorist group last year.

Counter-protesters immediately called Sgt. Steven Dyer out, and their recorded exchange quickly spread across social media.

"Seriously, what's that about?" asks a woman who identifies herself during the conversation as the mother of a gay child.

"Building relationships," Dyer replies. During the conversation there is a persistent hint of a smile that suggests despite his apparent training in community discourse, Dyer is not at that particular moment even close to reading the room.

 

Question: Have they been consistent in their equal application of the law and not enforcing it only against groups whose speech they disagree with?

Hmm...it seems there were quite a few masked protesters present.

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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Ohio Revised Code 3761.12 makes it a felony to commit a crime with two or more people while wearing white caps, masks or other disguise

Oooooh man that's some good turning a shield into a sword and finding an old law meant to target klansmen and now using it to shut down peaceful assembly. To use that law in that way is an implicit equivocation of what these university protesters are doing to what the KKK was doing.

It's diluting what the KKK was and did and STILL FUCKING IS to threaten and target college students with this law

Shut the fuck up dude

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21 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

Remember the arrested protestor squirming around so the camera didn't capture her face when she was unmasked?  

 

 

Sorry to quote myself but it's this one.  Why hide?

 

  

 

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