Worldwide Israel/Palestine War Protests Thread

[lucious leftfoot 126]

12 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Hartzell is looking better and better by the day.

But did you know that 687 faculty members signed a letter saying they had NO confidence in him?!?!?

[Hank_Hill 17908]

10 minutes ago, lucious leftfoot said:

But did you know that 687 faculty members signed a letter saying they had NO confidence in him?!?!?

Weird flex

[PRONG HORN 3084]

 

 

I think this is clearly assault.  You can't paint people.

 

 

 

 

[Hank_Hill 17908]

I’d take paint over the pepper spray that the pro Israel person sprayed in the pro Palestine protesters face last week mid interview, but yea both should be dealt with appropriately

[Bevo 13440]

4 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Anti Zionist =\= pro Hamas

These marches started after a 9-11 type of attacked that was much more brutal and personal and extreme with mass, pre-planned rapes, sexual mutilations with body parts thrown into the streets, necrophilia, burning babies and other rather barbaric acts. And this all occurred primarily as a tactic to end the Israel-Saudi Arabia peace accord. Further the marches are meant to get Israel to stop rooting out Hamas and to stop Israel in its quest to return over 132 hostages albeit a lot of the hostages have sense been murdered and probably all have been raped and tortured. Thus, these marches absolutely benefit Hamas not only in solidifying its cause, but in recruiting, protecting, and providing hope and showing solidarity. Moreover, to march with a group or even support a group that has many participants who are absolutely racist should be anathema to one whose anti-zionist goal is to protect the oppressed.

[Hank_Hill 17908]

3 minutes ago, Bevo said:

, pre-planned rapes, sexual mutilations with body parts thrown into the streets, necrophilia, burning babies and other rather barbaric acts. 

I agree what the IDF is doing is disgusting. You don’t need to convince me.

 

 

I’m very aware of how this all played out. That doesn’t change the fact that every video that idiot posts from the algorithm Musk curated for him isn’t pro Hamas just because the caption describes it as such. 

[PRONG HORN 3084]

6 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

I’m very aware of how this all played out. That doesn’t change the fact that every video that idiot posts from the algorithm Musk curated for him isn’t pro Hamas just because the caption describes it as such. 

 

You mean pro Israel?  

 

 

[PRONG HORN 3084]

 

[Macklemore 2860]

1 hour ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

That’s the same exact type of propaganda that the Islamic regime occupying Iran puts on murals and billboards in Tehran. Revolting to see that shit projected on a college campus in America. Khamenei and the rest of the thugs in his government are loving this shit.

[Hank_Hill 17908]

This one’s fine

[PRONG HORN 3084]

9 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

This one’s fine

The US is responsible for the deaths of 44000 civilian Palestinians?

 

[Hank_Hill 17908]

Give or take

[52-80 19000]

11 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

The US is responsible for the deaths of 44000 civilian Palestinians?

 

No, but 3M, Valero, Moderna, and Starbucks are.  That's why university funds must sell their big cap mutual funds that has a partial stake in these companies.  Only then will gaza be free. Viva Palastina.

[PRONG HORN 3084]

13 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

No, but 3M, Valero, Moderna, and Starbucks are.  That's why university funds must sell their big cap mutual funds that has a partial stake in these companies.  Only then will gaza be free. Viva Palastina.

😱

 

[Frank Drebin 5361]

 

 

[52-80 19000]

10 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

 

 

So the trick to getting free health care in America is just pretending to not eat?

[lucious leftfoot 126]

13 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

 

Not a single chola in sight. Vic is sad.

[BurntEyes 5654]

15 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

 

We're on a hunger strike, but nobody is worried about us being hungry. We are hungry during out hunger strike and it might not be healthy. Won't anyone think of the chicken?

[Incredulity 11197]

7 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

I think this is clearly assault.  You can't paint people.

 

 

 

 

assault or no, it's absolutely absurd and somewhat hilarious.

A literal example of the, "I'm flailing my arms and walking forward, but not punching you" 4 year old logic.

 

[Macklemore 2860]

My namesake has a new song and video that’s out supporting the protestors. Blaming “white supremacy” is an interesting take.

 

Edited May 8 by Macklemore

[Rex Kramer 1240]

8 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

I think this is clearly assault.  You can't paint people.

 

 

 

 

Assaulted. lol. 

[alincoln 2350]

Macklemore angling for some festival invites.  

[Rex Kramer 1240]

4 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Give or take

lol. We aren’t responsible for anything. I don’t feel responsible. 

[DixonHur 10862]

2 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Why is that one woman dressed like a watermelon?

Edited May 8 by DixonHur
Double tap on the "l"

[Rex Kramer 1240]

15 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Why is that one woman dressed like a watermelon?

They’re all shaped like watermelons. Woof. 

[We’reTexas 1467]

5 hours ago, Macklemore said:

That’s the same exact type of propaganda that the Islamic regime occupying Iran puts on murals and billboards in Tehran. Revolting to see that shit projected on a college campus in America. Khamenei and the rest of the thugs in his government are loving this shit.

IMO it’s really more of an example of how bizarre it is that some tiny ethnosectarian fight on the other side of the planet became the central issue of the progressive left. Noah Smith summed it my thoughts perfectly:

 

[52-80 19000]

tbf japan is pretty dope and all those idealism are real.  except for the weebs being able to secure a waifu gf.

[BurntEyes 5654]

1 hour ago, 52-80 said:

tbf japan is pretty dope and all those idealism are real.  except for the weebs being able to secure a waifu gf.

[BurntEyes 5654]

2 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Why is that one woman dressed like a watermelon?

The reality is, they are supporters of hummus. Something got lost in translation.

On a serious note, I really would a agnostic investigative reporter to ask females at these protests there impressions of Hamas and "Do you know their stance on women's rights? Do you know their stance on religious rights?".

I am willing to wager, based on various videos I've seen that if they are willing to answer it is not very accurate. 

[Skipper 5969]

The 'hunger strike' video is hilarious.  The self importance of all these losers is absolutely mind boggling.

[We’reTexas 1467]

13 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

The reality is, they are supporters of hummus. Something got lost in translation.

On a serious note, I really would a agnostic investigative reporter to ask females at these protests there impressions of Hamas and "Do you know their stance on women's rights? Do you know their stance on religious rights?".

I am willing to wager, based on various videos I've seen that if they are willing to answer it is not very accurate. 

Doesn’t matter, it’s the omnicause, bruh.

 

[Da Fino 2669]

6 minutes ago, We’reTexas said:

Doesn’t matter, it’s the omnicause, bruh.

 

In love with this. There’s no disability justice without a liberated Palestine.

[Brisketexan 103656]

20 minutes ago, We’reTexas said:

Doesn’t matter, it’s the omnicause, bruh.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Da Fino said:

In love with this. There’s no disability justice without a liberated Palestine.

It means that what is happening with this group of naive true believers is what happens with ALL groups of naive true believers.  They get caught up in a flurry of "causes" instead of focusing on a results-oriented path based on one cause or a couple of closely related causes.

Pro-Palestinian activists/liberationists who started out protesting real-time genocide of Palestinians but are now calling for disability rights and a panoply of other predictable left-of-center shit?  Meet the Tea Partiers....who started out protesting representatives who were too beholden to special interests but are now full-on Q-anon and "stollen election" nutbars.  Same shit happened with the "Occupy Wall Street" movement.  Same shit happened with the populist MAGA movement.

True believers are more focused on how gratifying it is to "believe," and lose sight of the fact that maybe it would be better to actually achieve a result.

[BabaYaga 15184]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

It means that what is happening with this group of naive true believers is what happens with ALL groups of naive true believers.  They get caught up in a flurry of "causes" instead of focusing on a results-oriented path based on one cause or a couple of closely related causes.

Pro-Palestinian activists/liberationists who started out protesting real-time genocide of Palestinians but are now calling for disability rights and a panoply of other predictable left-of-center shit?  Meet the Tea Partiers....who started out protesting representatives who were too beholden to special interests but are now full-on Q-anon and "stollen election" nutbars.  Same shit happened with the "Occupy Wall Street" movement.  Same shit happened with the populist MAGA movement.

True believers are more focused on how gratifying it is to "believe," and lose sight of the fact that maybe it would be better to actually achieve a result.

Mission creep is the gradual or incremental expansion of an intervention, project or mission, beyond its original scope, focus or goals, a ratchet effect spawned by initial success. dumbasses starved for attention & accolades

[Brisketexan 103656]

12 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Mission creep is the gradual or incremental expansion of an intervention, project or mission, beyond its original scope, focus or goals, a ratchet effect spawned by initial success. dumbasses starved for attention & accolades

I don't fully agree with the bolded, because that implies that the chief kick they get out of this is external approval.  I think it's equal parts internal self-satisfaction and approval FROM THEIR TRIBE/ECHO-CHAMBER.  That is, they don't even get that much approval from their "side" of the political spectrum, outside of the small group of true believers that is their immediate "tribe."  The other self-important pro-palestinian activists pat them on the back, but that's a relatively small group.  The Q-anon-ers love each other, but they aren't lauded by the largest percentage of right-of-center people.  

It's about human nature and craving an identity and a tribe.  It's non-partisan and across ideologies.  Seriously, look at the people at Trump rallies.  It's tribal, because IT FEELS GOOD.  That's what we're seeing here, and what we've always seen about extreme ideological movements.

It's why I've at least gotten a chuckle out of watching our local right-wing bunch jump all over this as some sorta toldyaso gotcha.....when the extremists on their side of aisle have actually ascended to positions of power and control.  Mock the purple-haired Pro-Palestinian ideologues all you want....as you ignore the Q-anon/MTG/stollen election log in your own eye.

[Skipper 5969]

12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It's about human nature and craving an identity and a tribe.  It's non-partisan and across ideologies.  Seriously, look at the people at Trump rallies.  It's tribal, because IT FEELS GOOD.  That's what we're seeing here, and what we've always seen about extreme ideological movements.

It's why I've at least gotten a chuckle out of watching our local right-wing bunch jump all over this as some sorta toldyaso gotcha.....when the extremists on their side of aisle have actually ascended to positions of power and control.  Mock the purple-haired Pro-Palestinian ideologues all you want....as you ignore the Q-anon/MTG/stollen election log in your own eye.

100% agree with this.  It's a bunch of losers without a social life and/or a group that wants to find a target to blame for their own self made problems.  And that applies to both extreme sides of the political spectrum.   Personally, I'm an equal opportunity hater.  Despise and deride both groups at each opportunity.

[Brisketexan 103656]

Just now, Skipper said:

100% agree with this.  It's a bunch of losers without a social life and/or a group that wants to find a target to blame for their own self made problems.  And that applies to both extreme sides of the political spectrum.   Personally, I'm an equal opportunity hater.  Despise and deride both groups at each opportunity.

The hell of it is, where these groups START is often a place I have some sympathy/empathy for.

Tea Party?  Yeah, our gov't IS too beholden to special interests.  But y'all had to go full Q-anon nutbar.

Occupy Wall Street?  Yeah, our system IS rigged to skew outcomes in favor of the capitalist elite who have set rules that favor them.  But y'all had to go full-on "anything but agrarian communism is evil" and "all prosperity is bad."

Pro-Palestinian activists?  Yep, Israel IS killing the shit out of civilians and using starvation and such as a weapon.  But then y'all have to go full-on "Hamas is cool," and "let's liberate everyone and everything willy-nilly."

It sucks, because the original cause gets lost in the noise, and then discredited and derided as it has been here.

[rage-a-holic 4256]

1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

The reality is, they are supporters of hummus. Something got lost in translation.

On a serious note, I really would a agnostic investigative reporter to ask females at these protests there impressions of Hamas and "Do you know their stance on women's rights? Do you know their stance on religious rights?".

I am willing to wager, based on various videos I've seen that if they are willing to answer it is not very accurate. 

College anti-Israel agitators could be sent to Gaza under new House GOP bill | Fox News

[Bevo 13440]

16 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

You missed one. I can't think of which one, something about something mattering, but I can't remember exactly. I'm blacking out on what it was. Can't remember for the lives of me!

Blacken Blue?

[Foosters 17638]

27 minutes ago, rage-a-holic said:

College anti-Israel agitators could be sent to Gaza under new House GOP bill | Fox News

The right is starting to get better at comedy and its making the left nervous

[bolverk 29104]

11 hours ago, Bevo said:

These marches started after a 9-11 type of attacked that was much more brutal and personal and extreme with mass, pre-planned rapes, sexual mutilations with body parts thrown into the streets, necrophilia, burning babies and other rather barbaric acts. And this all occurred primarily as a tactic to end the Israel-Saudi Arabia peace accord. Further the marches are meant to get Israel to stop rooting out Hamas and to stop Israel in its quest to return over 132 hostages albeit a lot of the hostages have sense been murdered and probably all have been raped and tortured. Thus, these marches absolutely benefit Hamas not only in solidifying its cause, but in recruiting, protecting, and providing hope and showing solidarity. Moreover, to march with a group or even support a group that has many participants who are absolutely racist should be anathema to one whose anti-zionist goal is to protect the oppressed.

 

I'm curious. Do you also consider the families of the hostages who are protesting in Israel because their government rejected the ceasefire deal as also pro-Hamas? Their protesters are especially right now, but they've been calling for a ceasefire for quite a while.

 

Edited May 8 by bolverk

[Bevo 13440]

7 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I'm curious. Do you also consider the families of the hostages who are protesting in Israel because their government rejected the ceasefire deal as also pro-Hamas?

There are protesters with all sorts of agendas. There is a very small group of orthodox Jews who don't believe Israel should be a state. There are communist and Marxist Jews who are leading rallies. There are non-Muslim blacks who believe that Jews control the economy. So, just like stereotypes, it is difficult to paint with a broad brush - there are a variety of personalities that compete to develop an overarching picture.

[BurntEyes 5654]

59 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The hell of it is, where these groups START is often a place I have some sympathy/empathy for.

Tea Party?  Yeah, our gov't IS too beholden to special interests.  But y'all had to go full Q-anon nutbar.

Occupy Wall Street?  Yeah, our system IS rigged to skew outcomes in favor of the capitalist elite who have set rules that favor them.  But y'all had to go full-on "anything but agrarian communism is evil" and "all prosperity is bad."

Pro-Palestinian activists?  Yep, Israel IS killing the shit out of civilians and using starvation and such as a weapon.  But then y'all have to go full-on "Hamas is cool," and "let's liberate everyone and everything willy-nilly."

It sucks, because the original cause gets lost in the noise, and then discredited and derided as it has been here.

Ack!!! I hate this post because it says pretty much exactly what I feel far better than I could have expressed it. Your oppression of my opinion by superior expression will not stand man!!!

As a libertarian leaner, I liked what the Tea Party represented at the start. Then it was co-oped by right wing agenda including but not limited to Q-anon and religious funding.

I take massive issue with the reality that the US has largely become a Oligarchy to a select few corporations and billionaires. That said, I like money, have worked for some of these corporations and I'm currently in the middle of starting my own. Don't tread on me bro! Speaking of, fuck you for stealing a great flag and motto as a replacement for the south will rise again. Dammit. So I broadly speaking agreed with the sentiment of Occupy, but it turned into a shit show of communist silly shit.

Same with BLM, a noble cause I was behind until it was also co-opted with an agenda that included some antisemitic ideas and a bad plan that truly caused issues in a lot of places.

Now I lean heavily toward the Israeli side, admittedly. However, as I've noted before I thought the reaction to Oct and Hamas was extreme. There had to be a reaction but not one to the lengths extended. So, I like the idea, broadly speaking of engaging in awareness of this issue. However, it's been co-opted by Hamas loving antisemitic shit fingers or idiots with no actual plan at all. 

And in the end, important issues, which truly need addressing, get swept away by the tide of stupidity. 

 

[Frank Drebin 5361]

2 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Ack!!! I hate this post because it says pretty much exactly what I feel far better than I could have expressed it. Your oppression of my opinion by superior expression will not stand man!!!

As a libertarian leaner, I liked what the Tea Party represented at the start. Then it was co-oped by right wing agenda including but not limited to Q-anon and religious funding.

I take massive issue with the reality that the US has largely become a Oligarchy to a select few corporations and billionaires. That said, I like money, have worked for some of these corporations and I'm currently in the middle of starting my own. Don't tread on me bro! Speaking of, fuck you for stealing a great flag and motto as a replacement for the south will rise again. Dammit. So I broadly speaking agreed with the sentiment of Occupy, but it turned into a shit show of communist silly shit.

Same with BLM, a noble cause I was behind until it was also co-opted with an agenda that included some antisemitic ideas and a bad plan that truly caused issues in a lot of places.

Now I lean heavily toward the Israeli side, admittedly. However, as I've noted before I thought the reaction to Oct and Hamas was extreme. There had to be a reaction but not one to the lengths extended. So, I like the idea, broadly speaking of engaging in awareness of this issue. However, it's been co-opted by Hamas loving antisemitic shit fingers or idiots with no actual plan at all. 

And in the end, important issues, which truly need addressing, get swept away by the tide of stupidity. 

 

What would you have had Israel do?  I am just curious.

After that attack and about 10,000 rockets fired at them from Gaza since disengagement, I am not sure what they are supposed to do. Especially given that Hamas uses civilians as human shields.

[bolverk 29104]

11 minutes ago, Bevo said:

There are protesters with all sorts of agendas. There is a very small group of orthodox Jews who don't believe Israel should be a state. There are communist and Marxist Jews who are leading rallies. There are non-Muslim blacks who believe that Jews control the economy. So, just like stereotypes, it is difficult to paint with a broad brush - there are a variety of personalities that compete to develop an overarching picture.

I'm glad you agree we shouldn't paint protesters with a broad brush because it'd be silly to label everyone protesting the war as "pro-Hamas" or "anti-semitic."

[wildcat09 28563]

I don't suppose any of Pronghorn's twitter follows managed to catch a video of the asshole running over protesters in New York, huh? 

[BurntEyes 5654]

11 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

What would you have had Israel do?  I am just curious.

After that attack and about 10,000 rockets fired at them from Gaza since disengagement, I am not sure what they are supposed to do. Especially given that Hamas uses civilians as human shields.

Honestly, the complexity of descaling the engagement while figuring out how to remove Hamas from the equation is madly complex.

I won't pretend that I have a simple answer. However, I'm of the opinion that bringing leader of the US, supporting NATO members, Isreal and the Palestinians together to discuss is better than not discussing it at all.

The Hamas aspect is the biggest hitch in the path forward. I'm strongly convinced that descaling fighting without finding a way to remove their influence in Gaza will lead to continued attacks and more Israeli lives lost.

So, I guess my ask is why aren't the powers that be calling for some sort of round table. If they are, and I missed it, I'll own my ignorance.

[BurntEyes 5654]

15 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I'm glad you agree we shouldn't paint protesters with a broad brush because it'd be silly to label everyone protesting the war as "pro-Hamas" or "anti-semitic."

I don't think they are, and I think most agree with that sentiment. However, I hope you will agree, that there is absolutely a pro-Hamas contingency among all these protests. Further, that they have been allowed to intertwine themselves or at least align with other's efforts, calls into question the planning and intent of those who aren't antisemitic. 

Beyond that, the goals of the folks that aren't antisemitic are, at best muddy. What do they hope to achieve?

I made the point a while back that if you lead a protest it should be well organized and with clear goals. Further, you should make efforts to separate yourself from bad actors. Without all three, the message becomes muddled at best, takes away from the issues at hand, gives a massive platform for bad actors (in this case antisemitic murdering assholes) and ultimately does more harm than good.

Edited May 8 by BurntEyes

[Larry T. Spider 1740]

3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Honestly, the complexity of descaling the engagement while figuring out how to remove Hamas from the equation is madly complex.

I won't pretend that I have a simple answer. However, I'm of the opinion that bringing leader of the US, supporting NATO members, Isreal and the Palestinians together to discuss is better than not discussing it at all.

The Hamas aspect is the biggest hitch in the path forward. I'm strongly convinced that descaling fighting without finding a way to remove their influence in Gaza will lead to continued attacks and more Israeli lives lost.

So, I guess my ask is why aren't the powers that be calling for some sort of round table. If they are, and I missed it, I'll own my ignorance.

I agree with your take on removing Hamas being the holdup in any peace talks. But I don’t see any round table being taken seriously by Israel. They see them as a deadly cancer they are cutting out. If you leave any, it can quickly resurface. 

[Brisketexan 103656]

6 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Honestly, the complexity of descaling the engagement while figuring out how to remove Hamas from the equation is madly complex.

I won't pretend that I have a simple answer. However, I'm of the opinion that bringing leader of the US, supporting NATO members, Isreal and the Palestinians together to discuss is better than not discussing it at all.

The Hamas aspect is the biggest hitch in the path forward. I'm strongly convinced that descaling fighting without finding a way to remove their influence in Gaza will lead to continued attacks and more Israeli lives lost.

So, I guess my ask is why aren't the powers that be calling for some sort of round table. If they are, and I missed it, I'll own my ignorance.

There's also a permutation of the response that is the punchline of "no, don't run down there and fuck one of them....walk down there and fuck all of them."  That is....take the time to be more selective with your targeting.  Eliminating Hamas as a threat, WITHOUT purposefully waging war against civilians (and we've seen much more than mere "collateral damage" - Israel and numerous senior officials have made it clear that they are targeting Gazan civilians to terrorize them and force them out of Gaza altogether, to meet a stated goal of total ethnic cleansing) takes time and methodical action.  Israeli leadership stating that their goal is more than eliminating Hamas -- it's to ethnically cleanse Gaza completely -- doesn't help their position.  At all.  Israel has gone beyond self-defense, and is following a purposeful path of war crimes.  That's the problem.  Which is totally lost in the shuffle.  We've now successfully reached the point where you either blindly and totally support Israel, subjecting them to zero accountability, or you're a pro-Hamas terrorist sympathizer.