Worldwide Israel/Palestine War Protests Thread

[Bevo 13577]

7 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Obviously I don't know the details, but if the article is taken at face value, it's not a good look for UT, IMO.

I have my doubts about the details:

 

Michael Minasi / KUT News

Rich Heyman talks to police at the April 29 protest at UT Austin.

 

Edited May 11 by Bevo

[Bevo 13577]

A copy of the probable cause affidavit states that Heyman approached state troopers and yelled in their faces, "F**k you, you don't belong here!" as police began making their way toward the protesters in the encampment on the lawn of the university's South Mall.
Police backed by Texas Department of Public Safety troopers arrest protesters at the University of Texas campus April 29.

The charging document states that the officers used their bikes to create a barrier while troopers approached the encampment. That document says that Heyman attempted to "breach (the) line" and maintained his "verbally aggressive demeanor."

DPS trooper Thomas Goodson states in the charging document that he pushed Heyman back, and the professor responded by yelling. At some point, Heyman put his finger in Goodson's face and grabbed his bike by the handle and "physically started to pull my bike away from me, interfering with my assigned duties," the affidavit says.

The charging document notes that Heyman broke the trooper's "state-issued bike bell," which costs $62.

UT police then pulled Heyman away, and he yelled, "F**k you, I am a f**king professor here!"

[TwiceHorn 31489]

28 minutes ago, Bevo said:

A copy of the probable cause affidavit states that Heyman approached state troopers and yelled in their faces, "F**k you, you don't belong here!" as police began making their way toward the protesters in the encampment on the lawn of the university's South Mall.
Police backed by Texas Department of Public Safety troopers arrest protesters at the University of Texas campus April 29.

The charging document states that the officers used their bikes to create a barrier while troopers approached the encampment. That document says that Heyman attempted to "breach (the) line" and maintained his "verbally aggressive demeanor."

DPS trooper Thomas Goodson states in the charging document that he pushed Heyman back, and the professor responded by yelling. At some point, Heyman put his finger in Goodson's face and grabbed his bike by the handle and "physically started to pull my bike away from me, interfering with my assigned duties," the affidavit says.

The charging document notes that Heyman broke the trooper's "state-issued bike bell," which costs $62.

UT police then pulled Heyman away, and he yelled, "F**k you, I am a f**king professor here!"

Well, you can be sure that that affidavit does not state the facts in any way favorable to Heyman.

And, does anyone think that what is documented there deserves criminal charges?  Particularly in this context?

Somewhat ironically, if Heyman was a Karen outside a Starbucks employing similar speech and actions in regard to her defective caramel macchiato, we'd probably be cheering this arrest affidavit.

Edited May 11 by TwiceHorn

[Bevo 13577]

Heyman is Karen - entitled, whiny, derogatory to the workers.

[Captainant 27679]

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

Heyman is Karen - entitled, whiny, derogatory to the workers.

The Uvalde Defenders aren't workers at UT. They are thugs that came in to violently suppress peaceful free speech at UT. Hartzell and the rest of you authoritarians have been using what's happened nationally as some sort of sleight of hand trick to justify what they did at Texas

[Biff Tannen 45691]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The confluence of the world’s single stupidest competition and the Israel war is making otherwise smart people lose the plot.

Man, I waded in here from page 7 and was like:

[Bevo 13577]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

The Uvalde Defenders aren't workers at UT. They are thugs that came in to violently suppress peaceful free speech at UT. Hartzell and the rest of you authoritarians have been using what's happened nationally as some sort of sleight of hand trick to justify what they did at Texas

 

Proof?

[Willfully Horn 8019]

3 hours ago, Bevo said:

 

Proof?

He is presumed innocent. Proof is on the state. Show us his tent.

[Bevo 13577]

1 hour ago, Willfully Horn said:

He is presumed innocent. Proof is on the state. Show us his tent.

In the photo, it looks like the lecturer is yelling at the cops. It really surprises me because lecturers typically listen and learn. But, that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about proof that I'm authoritarian. Maybe, I'm Jewish and despise the attacks against Jews. Maybe, I'm black and despise racist speech. Maybe, I don't like kids wandering into the middle of a movie and telling us what it is about. Maybe I think students and agitators should be learning rather than lecturing. Maybe, I don't like my university being turned into a zoo that fucks up finals and graduation. Maybe, I think that because my wife was convicted for interfering with an arrest when she was a teenager that equal treatment should be applied to all. Maybe, I'm familiar with history of the movements in Italy and in Germany that began as socialist and ended as Fascist which despite their hatred of each other, supported the same sort of mind that proved actually closely related. There are lots of reasons for me to support his arrest and his dismissal from school that don't fit Captain's rationale.

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[Willfully Horn 8019]

28 minutes ago, Bevo said:

In the photo, it looks like the lecturer is yelling at the cops. It really surprises me because lecturers typically listen and learn. But, that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about proof that I'm authoritarian. Maybe, I'm Jewish and despise the attacks against Jews. Maybe, I'm black and despise racist speech. Maybe, I don't like kids wandering into the middle of a movie and telling us what it is about. Maybe I think students and agitators should be learning rather than lecturing. Maybe, I don't like my university being turned into a zoo that fucks up finals and graduation. Maybe, I think that because my wife was convicted for interfering with an arrest when she was a teenager that equal treatment should be applied to all. Maybe, I'm familiar with history of the movements in Italy and in Germany that began as socialist and ended as Fascist which despite their hatred of each other, supported the same sort of mind that proved actually closely related. There are lots of reasons for me to support his arrest and his dismissal from school that don't fit Captain's rationale.

Maybe. I damn sure am the father of a young UT grad who went to one of the first BLM protests, and who was standing near the young man who caught a metal shot “bean bag” with his head, which entered his brain, and which was fired by APD while confronting protestors. Could have been my daughter. Exercising a Constitutional Right. Forgive me if authoritarian tactics piss me off, and I oppose them regardless of whichever side of the spectrum they originate. And so, now that my youngest is on the 40 acres, I expect her to be able to speak her mind, in public, without fear of jackboots and their sycophantic supporters.

[closetohumping 17442]

41 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Maybe. I damn sure am the father of a young UT grad who went to one of the first BLM protests, and who was standing near the young man who caught a metal shot “bean bag” with his head, which entered his brain, and which was fired by APD while confronting protestors. Could have been my daughter. Exercising a Constitutional Right. Forgive me if authoritarian tactics piss me off, and I oppose them regardless of whichever side of the spectrum they originate. And so, now that my youngest is on the 40 acres, I expect her to be able to speak her mind, in public, without fear of jackboots and their sycophantic supporters.

There’s free speech and then there’s taking over buildings and disrupting others right to an education

[DixonHur 11331]

3 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

There’s free speech and then there’s taking over buildings and disrupting others right to an education

I agree, I'm against the encampments and breaking into/occupying buildings, but that's clearly not what's happening in the image.  He's yelling at the cop.  How is that a fire-able offense?  Destruction of property?  It was a fucking bicycle bell, for God sake.  Let's try to have some perspective.  

 

[Willfully Horn 8019]

21 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

There’s free speech and then there’s taking over buildings and disrupting others right to an education

Sure, you’re right. Again, the burden of proof (of taking over buildings, or erecting tents) is on the state. Arrest those who do so, without stepping on the rights of others to protest.

Disrupting classes? Only the disingenuous believe that protests do that. Stormtroopers massing to bring violence into protests? Yeah, that belies the sanctity of class time non interference.

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[TKthunder2 4992]

First they broke my state issued bike bell and I stood by a did nothing…nah fuck that let’s arrest the guy.

[MontereyMX 869]

11 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I agree, I'm against the encampments and breaking into/occupying buildings, but that's clearly not what's happening in the image.  He's yelling at the cop.  How is that a fire-able offense?  Destruction of property?  It was a fucking bicycle bell, for God sake.  Let's try to have some perspective.  

 

Fuck up my bicycle bell and see what happens! 

[DixonHur 11331]

Just now, MontereyMX said:

Fuck up my bicycle bell and see what happens! 

I don't hit women or children.

[Hagbard Celine 10867]

In the 80s there was a crude shack ("shanty") built to protest apartheid on the west mall that stood intact for a long fucking time, maybe several years

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the IT discipline of Service Management has a concept called "root-cause analysis"

i propose the root cause of the reaction to the "anti-semitic" protests is the fact that israel has brain-washed the population of the united states to believe that questioning israel 100% directly equates to attacking the jewish religion and in the wake of the holocaust that messaging was sold to the us populace hook line and sinker for the rest of the 20th century

only today, with the parents of ww2 children almost entirely gone, are there cracks in the dike of consensus reality, despite israel's history of terrorism which is never reported, taught or discussed in the us media or education system

and why is that?

it's the same root-cause reason hartzell and wheels came heavy with pertinacity and forecast:

they got a call

[closetohumping 17442]

1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

I agree, I'm against the encampments and breaking into/occupying buildings, but that's clearly not what's happening in the image.  He's yelling at the cop.  How is that a fire-able offense?  Destruction of property?  It was a fucking bicycle bell, for God sake.  Let's try to have some perspective.  

 

I’m not talking about that picture nor did I say anything about destruction of property.  But I’m against that too

[Bevo 13577]

2 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Maybe. I damn sure am the father of a young UT grad who went to one of the first BLM protests, and who was standing near the young man who caught a metal shot “bean bag” with his head, which entered his brain, and which was fired by APD while confronting protestors. Could have been my daughter. Exercising a Constitutional Right. Forgive me if authoritarian tactics piss me off, and I oppose them regardless of whichever side of the spectrum they originate. And so, now that my youngest is on the 40 acres, I expect her to be able to speak her mind, in public, without fear of jackboots and their sycophantic supporters.

That is wild that your daughter was so close to that event. My parents were near Kent State when the National Guard killed those four students. My mom was also near Philadelphia, MS when Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner were killed by the KKK in 1964.

I hope most understand that they might get arrested or fired for fighting with the police. There are actions and there are consequences. And there is a time and a place for everything.

As for the event itself. Personally, I believe that Palestinians should live in peace in the US and Jews should live in peace in the US. So, I guess that makes me more libertarian in that respect.

Being rigid in you right to protest anywhere and any place without police intervention and being in support in asking Hertzel to step down, I assume that when protests again happen during the DNC convention, you will be pissed that police block the protestors,and will ask for the head of the DNC, which I assume is Biden, to step down. I get your position, but I am actually okay with using the police to keep the Palestinian protestors away from the DNC.

 

[956 Worldwide 34715]

53 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

In the 80s there was a crude shack ("shanty") built to protest apartheid on the west mall that stood intact for a long fucking time, maybe several years

+++

the IT discipline of Service Management has a concept called "root-cause analysis"

i propose the root cause of the reaction to the "anti-semitic" protests is the fact that israel has brain-washed the population of the united states to believe that questioning israel 100% directly equates to attacking the jewish religion and in the wake of the holocaust that messaging was sold to the us populace hook line and sinker for the rest of the 20th century

only today, with the parents of ww2 children almost entirely gone, are there cracks in the dike of consensus reality, despite israel's history of terrorism which is never reported, taught or discussed in the us media or education system

and why is that?

it's the same root-cause reason hartzell and wheels came heavy with pertinacity and forecast:

they got a call

For sure, the youth are killing it by fracturing consensus reality, I’m sure it’s a cause to celebrate. (Check the date on this, too).

[bolverk 29683]

10 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

For sure, the youth are killing it by fracturing consensus reality, I’m sure it’s a cause to celebrate. (Check the date on this, too).

Probably a bad opt-in poll.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/05/online-opt-in-polls-can-produce-misleading-results-especially-for-young-people-and-hispanic-adults/

Online opt-in polls have become increasingly popular. And for some purposes, such as election polling, they can perform similarly to more traditional survey approaches.

There is evidence, however, that the online environment in which they operate is somewhat unstable.

In particular, several recent studies have documented large errors in online opt-in surveys due to the presence of so-called “bogus respondents.” These respondents do not answer questions sincerely; instead, they attempt to complete surveys with as little effort as possible to earn money or other rewards.

Studies have shown that bogus respondents can cause opt-in surveys to overestimate rare attitudes and behaviors, such as ingesting bleach to protect against COVID-19, belief in conspiracies like Pizzagate or support for political violence.

At Pew Research Center, we’ve found that this type of overreporting tends to be especially concentrated in estimates for adults under 30, as well as Hispanic adults. Bogus respondents may be identifying this way in order to bypass screening questions that might otherwise prevent them from receiving a reward, though the precise reasons are difficult to pin down. Whatever the underlying cause, the result can be unreliable estimates for those groups.

*****

In the context of what we’ve learned from our investigations into opt-in polls, we took particular notice of a recent online opt-in survey that had a startling finding about Holocaust denial among young Americans. The survey, fielded in December 2023, reported that 20% of U.S. adults under 30 agree with the statement, “The Holocaust is a myth.” This alarming finding received widespread attention from the news media and on social networks.

From a survey science perspective, the finding deserved a closer look. It raised both of the red flags in the research literature about bogus respondents: It focused on a rare attitude (Holocaust denial), and it involved a subgroup frequently “infiltrated” by bogus respondents (young adults).

*****

We attempted to replicate the opt-in poll’s findings in our own survey, fielded in mid-January 2024 on Pew Research Center’s American Trends Panel.

A dot plot showing that opt-in poll and probability-based surveys produce very different results on young adults’ views of the Holocaust, abortion.
Unlike the December opt-in survey, our survey panel is recruited by mail – rather than online – using probability-based sampling. And in fact, our findings were quite different.

Rather than 20%, we found that 3% of adults under 30 agree with the statement “The Holocaust is a myth.” (This percentage is the same for every other age group as well.) Had this been the original result, it is unlikely that it would have generated the same kind of media attention on one of the most sensitive possible topics.

 

[Bevo 13577]

15 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

For sure, the youth are killing it by fracturing consensus reality, I’m sure it’s a cause to celebrate. (Check the date on this, too).

 

That's crazy. We really need to teach history. Fuck, it was only 75 years ago.

[bolverk 29683]

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

 

That's crazy. We really need to teach history. Fuck, it was only 75 years ago.

We must've posted at the same time. Go up one post. It was likely a bad poll. 

[956 Worldwide 34715]

2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Probably a bad opt-in poll.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/05/online-opt-in-polls-can-produce-misleading-results-especially-for-young-people-and-hispanic-adults/

Online opt-in polls have become increasingly popular. And for some purposes, such as election polling, they can perform similarly to more traditional survey approaches.

There is evidence, however, that the online environment in which they operate is somewhat unstable.

In particular, several recent studies have documented large errors in online opt-in surveys due to the presence of so-called “bogus respondents.” These respondents do not answer questions sincerely; instead, they attempt to complete surveys with as little effort as possible to earn money or other rewards.

Studies have shown that bogus respondents can cause opt-in surveys to overestimate rare attitudes and behaviors, such as ingesting bleach to protect against COVID-19, belief in conspiracies like Pizzagate or support for political violence.

At Pew Research Center, we’ve found that this type of overreporting tends to be especially concentrated in estimates for adults under 30, as well as Hispanic adults. Bogus respondents may be identifying this way in order to bypass screening questions that might otherwise prevent them from receiving a reward, though the precise reasons are difficult to pin down. Whatever the underlying cause, the result can be unreliable estimates for those groups.

*****

In the context of what we’ve learned from our investigations into opt-in polls, we took particular notice of a recent online opt-in survey that had a startling finding about Holocaust denial among young Americans. The survey, fielded in December 2023, reported that 20% of U.S. adults under 30 agree with the statement, “The Holocaust is a myth.” This alarming finding received widespread attention from the news media and on social networks.

From a survey science perspective, the finding deserved a closer look. It raised both of the red flags in the research literature about bogus respondents: It focused on a rare attitude (Holocaust denial), and it involved a subgroup frequently “infiltrated” by bogus respondents (young adults).

*****

We attempted to replicate the opt-in poll’s findings in our own survey, fielded in mid-January 2024 on Pew Research Center’s American Trends Panel.

A dot plot showing that opt-in poll and probability-based surveys produce very different results on young adults’ views of the Holocaust, abortion.
Unlike the December opt-in survey, our survey panel is recruited by mail – rather than online – using probability-based sampling. And in fact, our findings were quite different.

Rather than 20%, we found that 3% of adults under 30 agree with the statement “The Holocaust is a myth.” (This percentage is the same for every other age group as well.) Had this been the original result, it is unlikely that it would have generated the same kind of media attention on one of the most sensitive possible topics.

 

No, it wasn’t but keep on looking. You’re a smart person and I keep being surprised at how badly you’re seeking to reject data that you don’t like on this issue. 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/16/holocaust-us-adults-study
 

Again, look at the date. 
 

 

[bolverk 29683]

6 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

No, it wasn’t but keep on looking. You’re a smart person and I keep being surprised at how badly you’re seeking to reject data that you don’t like on this issue. 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/16/holocaust-us-adults-study
 

Again, look at the date. 
 

 

I don't see what's so significant about the date. The Pew article is even more recent if that's what you're getting at. The folks who put together the survey you're citing have a very clear agenda. Further, I don't see any information about their methodology, such as how they ask the question, which can make a big difference in how they answer.

For example: https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/sites/default/files/2018-07/55003.pdf

 

You can either believe a very trusted, widely known polling organization with no clear bias, such as Pew, or not. I've given you the information to make a reasoned judgment. 

[956 Worldwide 34715]

5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I don't see what's so significant about the date. The Pew article is even more recent if that's what you're getting at. The folks who put together the survey you're citing have a very clear agenda. Further, I don't see any information about their methodology, such as how they ask the question, which can make a big difference in how they answer.

For example: https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/sites/default/files/2018-07/55003.pdf

 

You can either believe a very trusted, widely known polling organization with no clear bias, such as Pew, or not. I've given you the information to make a reasoned judgment. 

They do have an agenda and I’ve worked closely with them. They’re quite good. What agenda did you think they had? 
 

 

I am pretty confident that if in 2020  had claimed or suggested that a well known organization dedicated to returning Jewish property stolen during the Holocaust was ginning up sham polls about Holocaust education, your eyebrows would have raised.  You might have even wondered about my own motivation for suggesting it.  
 

But after October 23  you rolled right into that theory. Easiest thing in the world and seems right to talk about. You’re telling on yourself more than the data or organziation. 
 

The methodology was 450 landline, 450 mobile, and 450 online non-paid, FWIW and you can read the question for yourself. 

[bolverk 29683]

4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

They do have an agenda and I’ve worked closely with them. They’re quite good. What agenda did you think they had? 
 

 

I am pretty confident that if in 2020  had claimed or suggested that a well known organization dedicated to returning Jewish property stolen during the Holocaust was ginning up sham polls about Holocaust education, your eyebrows would have raised.  You might have even wondered about my own motivation for suggesting it.  
 

But after October 23  you rolled right into that theory. Easiest thing in the world and seems right to talk about. You’re telling on yourself more than the data or organziation. 
 

The methodology was 450 landline, 450 mobile, and 450 online non-paid, FWIW and you can read the question for yourself. 

I'm not accusing them of putting out a sham poll, but they are not a professional polling outfit whose agenda, by the way, I fully support. I just don't buy the results -- it's way too high. I've got a kid in her early 20s, and she is very aware of the Holocaust. I'll ask her to chat with her friends to see if any of them are deniers.

• Pew says Holocaust denial in that age group is 3% when the polling is done properly. If not, you get 20% (2023).
• The Roper Center at Cornell for Public Opinion Research shows that if you ask the question properly, you get 8%. If not, you get 22% (1994).
• The Claims Conference says 23% (2020).

I'm seeing a pattern here. 

[956 Worldwide 34715]

6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I'm not accusing them of putting out a sham poll, but they are not a professional polling outfit whose agenda, by the way, I fully support. I just don't buy the results -- it's way too high. I've got a kid in her early 20s, and she is very aware of the Holocaust. I'll ask her to chat with her friends to see if any of them are deniers.

• Pew says Holocaust denial in that age group is 3% when the polling is done properly. If not, you get 20% (2023).
• The Roper Center at Cornell for Public Opinion Research shows that if you ask the question properly, you get 8%. If not, you get 22% (1994).
• The Claims Conference says 23% (2020).

I'm seeing a pattern here. 

So basically, it’s just “vibes are off.” 
 

Here is the question and the responses (all adults vs. Millenials). As you can see it’s “not sure” that is the big problem. 
 

I find it interesting that your go-to was “agenda and/or the poll must be bad” before bothering to dig into it more. 
 

https://www.claimscon.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Holocaust-Knowledge-and-Awareness-Study-–-Topline-Results-1-1.pdf

Here is the firm that did the research. 
 

https://schoencooperman.com

[closetohumping 17442]

Speaking of fake hollow costs:

 

[DixonHur 11331]

9 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

So basically, it’s just “vibes are off.” 
 

Here is the question and the responses (all adults vs. Millenials). As you can see it’s “not sure” that is the big problem. 
 

I find it interesting that your go-to was “agenda and/or the poll must be bad” before bothering to dig into it more. 
 

https://www.claimscon.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Holocaust-Knowledge-and-Awareness-Study-–-Topline-Results-1-1.pdf

Here is the firm that did the research. 
 

https://schoencooperman.com

The headline in the original image you posted is so misleading that its essentially just sensationalist click bait. 

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“According to survey of adults 18-30, 23% said they believed the Holocaust was a myth, had been exaggerated or they weren’t sure”

Actually, by those criteria the number is 35%...but I love that "myth" is first in-line whereas in the actual poll that's 1%.  

It's much more likely that people answering "not sure" are talking about whether the number of dead was 6m or some lower number.... say 5m... not that they think Jews weren't victims of the Holocaust.  

At minimum it's a disingenuous post.

[Willfully Horn 8019]

1 hour ago, Bevo said:

That is wild that your daughter was so close to that event. My parents were near Kent State when the National Guard killed those four students. My mom was also near Philadelphia, MS when Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner were killed by the KKK in 1964.

I hope most understand that they might get arrested or fired for fighting with the police. There are actions and there are consequences. And there is a time and a place for everything.

As for the event itself. Personally, I believe that Palestinians should live in peace in the US and Jews should live in peace in the US. So, I guess that makes me more libertarian in that respect.

Being rigid in you right to protest anywhere and any place without police intervention and being in support in asking Hertzel to step down, I assume that when protests again happen during the DNC convention, you will be pissed that police block the protestors,and will ask for the head of the DNC, which I assume is Biden, to step down. I get your position, but I am actually okay with using the police to keep the Palestinian protestors away from the DNC.

 

The right is for peaceable protest, and within that structure, no I do not concede arrest is acceptable. Defending oneself against attack is another right I think we both insist decides legality of one’s actions, and not perceived attack by a bitch ass imagination. 

If the national guard attacks peaceful protestors, then Biden is no longer our standard.

Edited May 12 by Willfully Horn

[956 Worldwide 34715]

7 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

The headline in the original image you posted is so misleading that its essentially just sensationalist click bait. 

Actually, by those criteria the number is 35%...but I love that "myth" is first in-line whereas in the actual poll that's 1%.  

It's much more likely that people answering "not sure" are talking about whether the number of dead was 6m or some lower number.... say 5m... not that they think Jews weren't victims of the Holocaust.  

At minimum it's a disingenuous post.

I’ll try to stay away from notorious clickbait farm (checks notes) “The Guardian.” 
 

Edited May 12 by 956 Worldwide

[DixonHur 11331]

2 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I’ll try to stay away from notorious clickbait farm (checks notes) “The Guardian.” 

You're right, there is no way a news organization funded by advertising would ever put up a sensationalized headline for clicks.  My bad.

[DixonHur 11331]

10 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I’ll try to stay away from notorious clickbait farm (checks notes) “The Guardian.” 
 

Geez, seems like I need a new prescription for my glasses, because to me that looks like an entirely different article...and years later.

[bolverk 29683]

25 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

So basically, it’s just “vibes are off.” 
 

Here is the question and the responses (all adults vs. Millenials). As you can see it’s “not sure” that is the big problem. 
 

I find it interesting that your go-to was “agenda and/or the poll must be bad” before bothering to dig into it more. 
 

https://www.claimscon.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Holocaust-Knowledge-and-Awareness-Study-–-Topline-Results-1-1.pdf

Here is the firm that did the research. 
 

https://schoencooperman.com

 

No, it's not "vibes are off;" it's data from the Pew Research Center. Moreover, my "go-to" was to cite research from a renowned polling organization showing that opt-in polls get notoriously bad results from the age group in question and that if the polling is properly done, the outrageously high value becomes more reasonable.

Also, how could I have dug into it more before citing Pew? All you posted was a screenshot of the lead-in to the article, which didn't show the name of either the organization or the polling firm. For my part, I had recently read the Pew piece, so it was top of mind when I saw your headline.

Stop making insinuations.

[956 Worldwide 34715]

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Geez, seems like I need a new prescription for my glasses, because to me that looks like an entirely different article...and years later.

If we’re going with “The Guardian is clickbait,” we are just totally gone here. 

[DixonHur 11331]

4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

If we’re going with “The Guardian is clickbait,” we are just totally gone here. 

Point to where I said, "The Guardian is clickbait", and not the headline was clickbait...I'll hold.

[closetohumping 17442]

3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

For sure, the youth are killing it by fracturing consensus reality, I’m sure it’s a cause to celebrate. (Check the date on this, too).

Media is controlled by Jewish people.  Holocaust was actually the Holofaux.  Never happened 

[PRONG HORN 3146]

 

[Incredulity 11675]

There is a non-zero chance that guy posts on Surly, primarily in the CR,

[PRONG HORN 3146]

 

[Hagbard Celine 10867]

leave brittney alone!

here kiddo, watch this, maybe it will cheer you up:

 

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[Bevo 13577]

I find it hilarious that we are complaining about headlines because they grab people's attention. Maybe we will go after book titles next.

[PRONG HORN 3146]

 

 

 

[Hank_Hill 18834]

23 hours ago, 52-80 said:

Rare made up moment where Israel and protesters both share common ground not giving a fuck about the hostages? Interesting. 

[SubliminalHorn 6801]

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[BurntEyes 5999]

On 5/11/2024 at 10:54 PM, PRONG HORN said:

 

My honest first thought upon seeing this video is true concern for this young lady's future and safety. There are a lot of predators out there and this is like a bat signal to them as someone who is likely very easy to groom. She's attractive and clearly emotionally unstable and expressed a separation between herself and any support structures/family. I really hope, for her, it's just an act and those are alligator tears, but I don't think they are and that really does worry me.

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[Frank Drebin 5643]

 

 

[Rex Kramer 1338]

31 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

 

Petulant child. Maybe the university isn’t acknowledging there is a genocide because there in fact is not a genocide. Good luck with your solidarity fasts. Your fat ass needs it.