Worldwide Israel/Palestine War Protests Thread

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6 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Trying to censor people from posting stuff you don't like by crying CR is bullshit and we all see you.

And Pam drags herself out of CR do defend it

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1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

This videos are likely staged. Regardless I’ve seen enough obnoxious and abhorrent behavior from the camp fucking bolverk so desperately wants to support that it doesn’t matter if all of them are 100% legitimate.  All of these students can eat a bag of dicks. I hope I never interact with any of them ever. 

NOW the random videos posted here are staged. So predictable. 

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6 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

NOW the random videos posted here are staged. So predictable. 

Well…..yeah. Are you disputing the authenticity of all, some or even one of the videos most here have commented on?  Ostensibly because you don’t like the content, and how it makes your side look?  Because that’s a take. Not your best effort. 

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3 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

NOW the random videos posted here are staged. So predictable. 

Well, you see, only anti-war people can be made fun of or allowed to look foolish. And don't you dare mention that Israelis or American military officers can also be against the war because that would somehow be too political. Being for the war, however, is totally not political.

[Rex Kramer 1338]

Bolverk with the thread title change to accommodate all his dipshit videos. Awesome. 

[Rex Kramer 1338]

3 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Well, you see, only anti-war people can be made fun of or allowed to look foolish. And don't you dare mention that Israelis or American military officers can also be against the war because that would somehow be too political. Being for the war, however, is totally not political.

You think the message you and those you support are sending is merely one of anti-war. Bless your feeble mind. 

Edited May 14 by Rex Kramer

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3 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Bolverk with the thread title change to accommodate all his dipshit videos. Awesome. 

Who was it that started posting stuff about protests in Sweden last week? Why didn't you have a problem with that? I mean, it would seem that protests occurring inside Israel are quite relevant to the topic.

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1 minute ago, bolverk said:

Who was it that started posting stuff about protests in Sweden last week? Why didn't you have a problem with that? I mean, it would seem that protests occurring inside Israel are quite relevant to the topic.

I don’t have a problem with changing the thread title. I just think it’s funny you change it about right when you get called for posting videos not quite germaine to the original title. Believe me, please carry on what you’re doing. 

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If Rex doesn't have a therapist with whom to discuss his issues with how this board is run and who is allowed to post what; well, he should. 

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2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

If Rex doesn't have a therapist with whom to discuss his issues with how this board is run and who is allowed to post what; well, he should. 

Why would I care how this board is run?  It’s not mine, it’s a fucking message board, and I think it’s run fine. 

I think there are far too many loon lefties here that grossly overestimate that their views are in the mainstream of the country, the state and even of UT alumni. 

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14 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Are you disputing the authenticity of all, some or even one of the videos most here have commented on?  Ostensibly because you don’t like the content, and how it makes your side look?  

Me? No. That is quite literally what you are doing regarding the videos above though.

[Hank_Hill 18846]

2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Why would I care how this board is run?  It’s not mine, it’s a fucking message board, and I think it’s run fine. 

I think there are far too many loon lefties here that grossly overestimate that their views are in the mainstream of the country, the state and even of UT alumni. 

[bolverk 29683]

3 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I don’t have a problem with changing the thread title. I just think it’s funny you change it about right when you get called for posting videos not quite germaine to the original title. Believe me, please carry on what you’re doing. 

There's been plenty of previous discussion about anti-Palestine counterprotesters. How is my including clips of counterprotesters off-topic? How is my including an article about a US Army officer resigning in protest not germane to a discussion about protests? 

Are you saying that a discussion about Israelis protesting the war that they are directly involved in isn't relevant?

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3 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Me? No. That is quite literally what you are doing regarding the videos above though.

I only watched the girl with Jew and Israel and Star of David on her shirt. That was the most staged thing I’ve ever seen. Didn’t watch the rest. 

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2 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

I’m mad. I need a therapist. For a message board. 

Common tactics. It’s so predictably pathetic I find it hilarious. 

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6 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I only watched the girl with Jew and Israel and Star of David on her shirt. That was the most staged thing I’ve ever seen. Didn’t watch the rest. 

Yes, she and her husband staged it, and they didn't get the reaction they were hoping for.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/jew-shirt-lady-at-yale-pro-palestine-protest

Edited May 14 by bolverk

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20 minutes ago, bolverk said:

There's been plenty of previous discussion about anti-Palestine counterprotesters. How is my including clips of counterprotesters off-topic? How is my including an article about a US Army officer resigning in protest not germane to a discussion about protests? 

Are you saying that a discussion about Israelis protesting the war that they are directly involved in isn't relevant?

Dude what the fuck is wrong with you?  This was originally the nationwide college campus protest thread, was it not?  I don’t care you changed the title. 

15 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Yes, she and her husband staged it, and they didn't get the reaction they were hoping for.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/jew-shirt-lady-at-yale-pro-palestine-protest

That is 100% staged. I’m not gonna help you out if you're truly that dense. 

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8 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

This thread has been run over by bolverk’s CR lunacy. I don’t have energy to keep up. 

But he doesn’t have a side.  He just wants there to be peace. 

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2 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Dude what the fuck is wrong with you?  This was originally the nationwide college campus protest thread, was it not?  I don’t care you changed the title. 

That is 100% staged. I’m not gonna help you out if you're truly that dense. 

Y'all are the ones who started posting about protests taking place off college campuses and in Europe. Now you complain when I change the thread title to accommodate those broader discussions? It's also hilarious that you suddenly show a concern about whether something on video has been staged.

 

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

But he doesn’t have a side.  He just wants there to be peace. 

I've stated my positions clearly.

1. Hamas are terrorist assholes and should be defeated, but Israel has gone way too far by causing far too many deaths and far too much destruction. That's a widely shared belief, and there's nothing radical about it. Just about every single nation or international organization has said as much, and war crimes are currently being investigated.
2. There should be a ceasefire to allow more aid to ease the suffering of the Palestinians as the threat of widespread famine looms and also to allow continued negotiations over the release of the 130-something innocent Israeli hostages and the 1000s of innocent Palestinian hostages detainees.
3. Both Israelis AND Palestinians have the right to self-determination, including having their own fully autonomous, independent nations that are free from outside interference. The boundaries between the two should be fixed at the internationally recognized 1967 borders. 
4. The protests AND the counterprotests are mostly unproductive clown shows. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings when "your side" is shown to be full of idiots, too. The one exception is the protesting going on inside Israel. Those protests actually matter because they involve hostage families and others who could legitimately influence what's going on with the war.

That's what I want. What about you? What do you want?

2 hours ago, Bevo said:

 

I'm with you on this one.

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5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Y'all are the ones who started posting about protests taking place off college campuses and in Europe. Now you complain when I change the thread title to accommodate those broader discussions? It's also hilarious that you suddenly show a concern about whether something on video has been staged.

This is the most Derka thing I've read since the permabannination

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3 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Bevo said:

 

Okay, so we're just not talking about the weird coincidence that you guys both posted two consecutive photos of a student and an actor...and the student basically looks like a younger John Turturro?  

What in the fuck with this simulation?  

[Rex Kramer 1338]

47 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Both Israelis AND Palestinians have the right to self-determination, including having their own fully autonomous, independent nations that are free from outside interference. The boundaries between the two should be fixed at the internationally recognized 1967 borders. 

They do?  Even though one side has committed non-stop terrorism and atrocities against the other since ‘67 and really before that, regardless of who was in charge?  It is really hard to free “Palestine” of interference when they’re constantly interfering via terror attacks. 

47 minutes ago, bolverk said:

The protests AND the counterprotests are mostly unproductive clown shows. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings when "your side" is shown to be full of idiots, too. The one exception is the protesting going on inside Israel. Those protests actually matter because they involve hostage families and others who could legitimately influence what's going on with the war.

While I agree that anyone that engages is generally a clown, the protestors INITIATED the clown show. Just as Hamas initiated all of this shit. Showing videos on both sides doesn’t hurt my feelings; I just think you’re so desperate for actors that are bad on the Israeli side, or noble on the Palestinian side, that you totally ignore all of the above and are both sides-ing the fuck out of this, and aimlessly so.  I don’t know about protests going on inside Israel. I suspect you’re latching on to anything that supports Israel ceasing its actions, and you’re totally misguided in the process. 

[DixonHur 11335]

I hate to break up the slap fight, but I'll ask both of you (IE @Rex Kramer and @bolverk) what is your solution.

I think we can all agree that shit is borked in the that area of the world.  So, what are your individual solutions?  Knowing, of course, none of us, Surly posters, actually have the ability to implement them.  What's your "perfect world" solution?

Just curious but betting they're more similar than not.

[Rex Kramer 1338]

5 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I hate to break up the slap fight, but I'll ask both of you (IE @Rex Kramer and @bolverk) what is your solution.

I think we can all agree that shit is borked in the that area of the world.  So, what are your individual solutions?  Knowing, of course, none of us, Surly posters, actually have the ability to implement them.  What's your "perfect world" solution?

Just curious but betting they're more similar than not.

Don’t know. It’s tragic what’s happening to innocent Palestinians. But I’m not in position to judge what Israel is doing. I do think there’s a serious element of anti-Israeli propaganda duping people and it’s pervasive on this entire board. In a perfect world Israel would:

1) move civilians to some controlled area, even within its own borders, that is heavily guarded / armed and allows humanitarian aid unfettered. Probably logistically impossible and prohibitively expensive but it has got to be better than the reported narrative. 

2) proceed with rooting out all these people. Every Hamas member should die. If Fatah comes back in and pulls the same shit, they all need to die. They can handle Hezbollah within invading southern Lebanon given their activities are launched from another country.

3) Israel must stay very very involved and perhaps the world will perceive it to be oppressively so, in transferring autonomy onto the Palestinians like this’d be a multi-decade process.

If this seems simplistic or impossible, it’s probably because it very much is so. I don’t know the answer, but it absolutely cannot revert to status quo with either any successive element of Hamas governing, and likely Fatah governing. 

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6 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Don’t know. It’s tragic what’s happening to innocent Palestinians. But I’m not in position to judge what Israel is doing. I do think there’s a serious element of anti-Israeli propaganda duping people and it’s pervasive on this entire board. In a perfect world Israel would:

1) move civilians to some controlled area, even within its own borders, that is heavily guarded / armed and allows humanitarian aid unfettered. Probably logistically impossible and prohibitively expensive but it has got to be better than the reported narrative. 

2) proceed with rooting out all these people. Every Hamas member should die. If Fatah comes back in and pulls the same shit, they all need to die. They can handle Hezbollah within invading southern Lebanon given their activities are launched from another country.

3) Israel must stay very very involved and perhaps the world will perceive it to be oppressively so, in transferring autonomy onto the Palestinians like this’d be a multi-decade process.

If this seems simplistic or impossible, it’s probably because it very much is so. I don’t know the answer, but it absolutely cannot revert to status quo with either any successive element of Hamas governing, and likely Fatah governing. 

Well, that is actually way different than I thought.  I don't believe you can kill your way to peace when fanaticism is at play... which it is at the extremes on both sides.  All you'll do is create deeper and deeper hate.

I'm a two-state solution proponent.  Although obviously they'd need to figure out the borders, which even aside from the illegal West Bank settlements, is difficult since both sides lay claim to Jerusalem.  Maybe Jerusalem could be governed by an independent body, like the UN.  Just spit balling.

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33 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I hate to break up the slap fight, but I'll ask both of you (IE @Rex Kramer and @bolverk) what is your solution.

I think we can all agree that shit is borked in the that area of the world.  So, what are your individual solutions?  Knowing, of course, none of us, Surly posters, actually have the ability to implement them.  What's your "perfect world" solution?

Just curious but betting they're more similar than not.

Uh, for many many decades...the smartest geopolitical minds have tried to find a solution to the Middle East Dilemma.  And you think Rex and Bolverk are gonna suddenly solve it during the off-season?  I swear to christ with this fucking simulation, let me guess?........your real life job is a Mediator and you are friends with Frank Stallone?  What in the fucking fuck people?  This is why we can't have nice things.  

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33 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Uh, for many many decades...the smartest geopolitical minds have tried to find a solution to the Middle East Dilemma.  And you think Rex and Bolverk are gonna suddenly solve it during the off-season?  I swear to christ with this fucking simulation, let me guess?........your real life job is a Mediator and you are friends with Frank Stallone?  What in the fucking fuck people?  This is why we can't have nice things.  

Mozart composed his first piece of published music at age 5, and by his teen years, he had already written several concertos, sonatas, operas and symphonies. Picasso learned how to draw before he could talk. At 12, Pascal independently and without the use of math books discovered nearly all the geometric proofs of Euclid. So why not? I say give Rex and Bolverk a chance.

[Rex Kramer 1338]

53 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Well, that is actually way different than I thought.  I don't believe you can kill your way to peace when fanaticism is at play... which it is at the extremes on both sides.  All you'll do is create deeper and deeper hate.

I'm a two-state solution proponent.  Although obviously they'd need to figure out the borders, which even aside from the illegal West Bank settlements, is difficult since both sides lay claim to Jerusalem.  Maybe Jerusalem could be governed by an independent body, like the UN.  Just spit balling.

The hate will exist from the Palestinians regardless. Israel absolutely must remain aggressive with rooting out Hamas. They must kill them all, or there is no chance at peace. I have a hard time believing this is disputed. 

I’d be a 2-state supporter if and only if they start acting like a nation with competent administration, policing their own extremists instead of placing them at the tip of the spear, etc. This is why it’ll take years and possibly a generation. Israel won’t permit the fucking UN to govern Jerusalem. They’re in control, and they’re not going backwards nor should they. 

Edited May 15 by Rex Kramer

[bolverk 29683]

1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

I hate to break up the slap fight, but I'll ask both of you (IE @Rex Kramer and @bolverk) what is your solution.

I think we can all agree that shit is borked in the that area of the world.  So, what are your individual solutions?  Knowing, of course, none of us, Surly posters, actually have the ability to implement them.  What's your "perfect world" solution?

Just curious but betting they're more similar than not.

It's probably not the right discussion for this since it concerns policy. Plus, we've discussed several possible solutions in the CR thread.

To keep it brief:

1. The Israelis and the Palestinians must both relinquish any claim to land beyond the 1967 borders and recognize each other's right to exist.
2. Go back to the idea in the original mandate: make Jerusalem an international city.
3. International peacekeeping force and administration of Palestine for a period of time as it transitions to independence and builds up institutions. I firmly disagree with Israeli involvement in this effort.
4. All homes and infrastructure in the illegal settlements remain in place but handed over unmarred to the Palestinian State and refugees. 
5. I'd likely keep some sort of peacekeeping presence all along the borders separating the two nations for quite some time.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Mozart composed his first piece of published music at age 5, and by his teen years, he had already written several concertos, sonatas, operas and symphonies. Picasso learned how to draw before he could talk. At 12, Pascal independently and without the use of math books discovered nearly all the geometric proofs of Euclid. So why not? I say give Rex and Bolverk a chance.

Your "Pawn Stars:  2-State Solution" spinoff idea sounds intriguing.  

"We'd like to get Mozart, Picasso, and Pascal involved in developing a peace solution in the Middle East"

-Uh, best I can do is Rex and Bolverk.  And maybe this tea set.  

[Rex Kramer 1338]

5 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Mozart composed his first piece of published music at age 5, and by his teen years, he had already written several concertos, sonatas, operas and symphonies. Picasso learned how to draw before he could talk. At 12, Pascal independently and without the use of math books discovered nearly all the geometric proofs of Euclid. So why not? I say give Rex and Bolverk a chance.

Hey a Frank Stallone reference. Shocker. People try and over complicate Israel. It’s not as complicated as it needs to be. The X factor is Palestinians always revert to having savages as leaders. There’ll never by any peace with that factor in place. 

[Rex Kramer 1338]

4 minutes ago, bolverk said:

It's probably not the right discussion for this since it concerns policy. Plus, we've discussed several possible solutions in the CR thread.

To keep it brief:

1. The Israelis and the Palestinians must both relinquish any claim to land beyond the 1967 borders and recognize each other's right to exist.  WILL NEVER HAPPEN
2. Go back to the idea in the original mandate: make Jerusalem an international city.  CANT HAPPEN
3. International peacekeeping force and administration of Palestine for a period of time as it transitions to independence and builds up institutions. I firmly disagree with Israeli involvement in this effort.  WELL THEN IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN AND IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN EVEN WITH ISRAELI INVOLVEMENT
4. All homes and infrastructure in the illegal settlements remain in place but handed over unmarred to the Palestinian State and refugees. 
5. I'd likely keep some sort of peacekeeping presence all along the borders separating the two nations for quite some time.  

 

 

 

[bolverk 29683]

1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

Hey a Frank Stallone reference. Shocker. People try and over complicate Israel. It’s not as complicated as it needs to be. The X factor is Palestinians always revert to having savages as leaders. There’ll never by any peace with that factor in place. 

The extremist and sometimes violent Israeli settlers and their leaders, who vocally support ethnic cleansing while claiming all the land from the river to the sea and with whom Bibi has allied to stay in power, get a pass though. Right?

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The extremist and sometimes violent Israeli settlers and their leaders, who vocally support ethnic cleansing while claiming all the land from the river to the sea and with whom Bibi has allied to stay in power, get a pass though. Right?

Seriously. This myth that Israel is just a bunch of civilized folks in Tel Aviv, sipping tea and enjoying their shakshuka, is insane. There is a sizable percentage of the Israeli population that is all-in on the “fuck every Palestinian” plan, and there has been for a long time. Israel has their own poison pill to deal with.

[Rex Kramer 1338]

9 minutes ago, bolverk said:

The extremist and sometimes violent Israeli settlers and their leaders, who vocally support ethnic cleansing while claiming all the land from the river to the sea and with whom Bibi has allied to stay in power, get a pass though. Right?

Huh. I never made a comment about settlers or Bibi. I certainly didn’t give them a pass. Never made a comment about all Israelis being great, innocent people. I said the X-factor is leadership savagery on the other side, from Hamas to Arafat and even long before him. Because it is. No amount of explaining what the other side did or does offsets this. It’s amazing anyone can dispute this. 

[Hank_Hill 18846]

I’m ending every argument with “I’m shocked/having a hard time believing anyone can dispute this”  like Rex from now on. Shit is fire. Cannot be touched.

Edited May 15 by Hank_Hill

[Rex Kramer 1338]

1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

I’m ending every argument with “I’m shocked/having a hard time believing anyone can dispute this”  like Rex from now on. Shit is fire. Cannot be touched.

Sidestep the content. You’ve been doing it all day. 

[Hank_Hill 18846]

2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Sidestep the content. You’ve been doing it all day. How you can dispute this is incomprehensible.

Fify

[Hank_Hill 18846]

44 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Huh. I never made a comment about settlers or Bibi. I certainly didn’t give them a pass. Never made a comment about all Israelis being great, innocent people. I said the X-factor is leadership savagery on the other side, from Hamas to Arafat and even long before him. Because it is. No amount of explaining what the other side did or does offsets this. It’s amazing anyone can dispute this. 

“I certainly didn’t give them a pass”

 

*proceeds to give them a pass*

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41 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Huh. I never made a comment about settlers or Bibi. I certainly didn’t give them a pass. Never made a comment about all Israelis being great, innocent people. I said the X-factor is leadership savagery on the other side, from Hamas to Arafat and even long before him. Because it is. No amount of explaining what the other side did or does offsets this. It’s amazing anyone can dispute this. 

Bibi is literally the most savage leader that entire area has ever seen, period. From a pure numbers standpoint alone, he and his leadership are responsible for far more death and destruction than anyone else. Likud is literally full of extremists (like Itamar Ben-Gvir) by design. If you are so deluded that you believe there is any shortage of savagery on the Israeli side, you either haven't been paying attention to anything they're saying, or you have simply ignored it for your own personal convenience.

 

4 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

“I certainly didn’t give them a pass”

 

*proceeds to give them a pass*

The fact that he simply resorts to calling them savages ought to clue you in on his real thoughts.

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30 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Bibi is literally the most savage leader that entire area has ever seen, period. From a pure numbers standpoint alone, he and his leadership are responsible for far more death and destruction than anyone else. Likud is literally full of extremists (like Itamar Ben-Gvir) by design. If you are so deluded that you believe there is any shortage of savagery on the Israeli side, you either haven't been paying attention to anything they're saying, or you have simply ignored it for your own personal convenience.

 

The fact that he simply resorts to calling them savages ought to clue you in on his real thoughts.

Do you dispute that Hamas are savages?

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5 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Do you dispute that Hamas are savages?

 

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On Holocaust remembrance day weird trans people brought a mega phone to yell at Jews. 

 

 

 

[Hank_Hill 18846]

6 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

On Holocaust remembrance day weird trans people brought a mega phone to yell at Jews. 

 

 

 

Where are you getting trans from? Just making shit up?

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Just now, Hank_Hill said:

Where are you getting trans from? Just making shit up?

 

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[Hank_Hill 18846]

Just now, PRONG HORN said:

 

:13 - :26

 

 

 

So you’re making a bigoted deduction based off audio from a $5 karaoke mic from, like, Randalls. Got it. Truly an unserious person. 

[Brian Fantana 6689]

Unironically linking an Oli London tweet ought to be grounds for IP ban

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Just now, Hank_Hill said:

So you’re making a bigoted deduction based off audio from a $5 karaoke mic from, like, Randalls. Got it. Truly an unserious person. 

 

It's not bigoted.  Just a guess.  Maybe they aren't trans who knows.  Do you think they aren't trans?  One of the biggest surprises of this protest season has been the wide spread almost ubiquitous trans support for Palestine.  It's not exactly a reach.