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8 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Congrats, I don't see myself ever pulling the lever for the big D either. I honestly hate both parties, just hate the Democrat party way worse. FYI, IMHO Biden is the biggest pandering political liar of my lifetime.

LMFAO.  Congratulations, you're an idiot.

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8 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

FYI, IMHO Biden is the biggest pandering political liar of my lifetime.

Can you name a Biden lie that is equal-to-or-worse than the continued assertion that Joe Biden and the Democratic party illegally rigged the 2020 presidential election in multiple states to override the will of the people and install Biden as an unelected despot?

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1 hour ago, Skipper said:

Biden is lucky the election isn't this month.  Hopefully this entire issue is out of the news cycle by then.   Because the radical left is completely fucking him over at the moment.  If they don't show up and vote for him they are fucking him.  And by having these losers protesting lead off national news daily they are fucking him.   A big reason Biden won was he carried the college educated white vote and in particular women.  Are all these women still going to show up and vote when the face of the "other team" is campus takeover nonsense with a risk junior's commencement is cancelled?  Biden is doing absolutely nothing wrong but it doesn't matter.  People can put their head in the sand all they want but liberalism run amok is absolutely going to help Trump get back in office.    

Possibly the only voting demographic I'm absolutely not worried about this election is college-educated women.

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9 minutes ago, YChang said:

Yep and part of Biden and team's job as politicians is they have to pivot/adapt and continue to communicate to all electorates. But hopefully smart/competent people on his staff is thinking about the youth vote right now.

He panders to an extreme minority position he gives Trump all the ammo in the world to win back moderates or at least keep them from voting.

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Possibly the only voting demographic I'm absolutely not worried about this election is college-educated women.

He's not going to lose that group under any circumstances, I agree, but he can't give up any percentage points either. 

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18 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

Congrats, I don't see myself ever pulling the lever for the big D either. I honestly hate both parties, just hate the Democrat party way worse. FYI, IMHO Biden is the biggest pandering political liar of my lifetime.

What's wrong with this country, encapsulated on Surly.

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Congrats, I don't see myself ever pulling the lever for the big D either. I honestly hate both parties, just hate the Democrat party way worse. FYI, IMHO Biden is the biggest pandering political liar of my lifetime.

Woof. This is a bad take. Really bad take.

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Crossposting this from the Abbott thread because it's just as relevant to the discussion here. Very strong opinion piece from a UT professor that puts these protests into context with the broader assault on higher education in this state.

 

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1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Can't respond on the merits of the accusation, so just going to deflect. It's like I'm exchanging posts with incredulity. 

oh hey guys I'm totally over here trying to have a serious discussion with Newsmax guy here. from the jump, i came into this discussion like a reasoned, calmer than you are person, you all saw, and Newsmax guy over here might have sarcastically stated that old man crime bill biden might enjoy uppity youngsters getting smacked around. WE CAN'T HAVE THAT GET THAT NEWSMAX SHIT OUT OF HERE KNOWN POSTER WITH THE SAME USERNAME FOR 25+ YEARS! STOP TROLLING LIKE INCREDULITY

whatever

yall keep telling young people what to care about

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3 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

oh hey guys I'm totally over here trying to have a serious discussion with Newsmax guy here. from the jump, i came into this discussion like a reasoned, calmer than you are person, you all saw, and Newsmax guy over here might have sarcastically stated that old man crime bill biden might enjoy uppity youngsters getting smacked around. WE CAN'T HAVE THAT GET THAT NEWSMAX SHIT OUT OF HERE KNOWN POSTER WITH THE SAME USERNAME FOR 25+ YEARS! STOP TROLLING LIKE INCREDULITY

whatever

yall keep telling young people what to care about

You literally suggested with no hint of evidence that the President of the United States loves watching college students get their skills cracked. And at any point, you could have claimed you were pissed and went too far, or didn't really mean it, or walk it back. Instead you've doubled and tripled down at me for being critical of your shittastic HAWT TAKE, and you're acting all butthurt becuase you're acting like a MAGA fucktard who watches newsmax. 

You are a known poster of 25 years. Which is why it's so perplexing to see you go completely off the fucking deep end on this topic. But yeah, I'm sure you were just being sarcastic and continuing to be sarcastic. Which, btw, if it were true, you could have just said "I was being sarcastic you dumb motherfucker" the first time. But you didn't. 

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7 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You literally suggested with no hint of evidence that the President of the United States loves watching college students get their skills cracked. And at any point, you could have claimed you were pissed and went too far, or didn't really mean it, or walk it back. Instead you've doubled and tripled down at me for being critical of your shittastic HAWT TAKE, and you're acting all butthurt becuase you're acting like a MAGA fucktard who watches newsmax. 

You are a known poster of 25 years. Which is why it's so perplexing to see you go completely off the fucking deep end on this topic. But yeah, I'm sure you were just being sarcastic and continuing to be sarcastic. Which, btw, if it were true, you could have just said "I was being sarcastic you dumb motherfucker" the first time. But you didn't. 

hold on i need to check Newsmax. 

you come at me with ad hominem bullshit like that and expect civility?

go fuck yourself. 

biden is a boomer doing or allowing cruel boomers to do boomer things. 

did i miss where he decried our governor sending in goons to back up a peaceful protest? he's always had a tough on crime old school boomer mindset. that's why he isn't succeeding with the youth. 

but keep telling kids about infrastructure I'm sure they fucking love that

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1 hour ago, Longhornlove said:

Congrats, I don't see myself ever pulling the lever for the big D either. I honestly hate both parties, just hate the Democrat party way worse. FYI, IMHO Biden is the biggest pandering political liar of my lifetime.

You’re a fucking idiot.

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10 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

hold on i need to check Newsmax. 

you come at me with ad hominem bullshit like that and expect civility?

go fuck yourself. 

biden is a boomer doing or allowing cruel boomers to do boomer things. 

did i miss where he decried our governor sending in goons to back up a peaceful protest? he's always had a tough on crime old school boomer mindset. that's why he isn't succeeding with the youth. 

but keep telling kids about infrastructure I'm sure they fucking love that

I described your childish behavior with an apt comparison. Clearly it hit a little too close to the mark, you don't seem pissed and sensitive about it at all. I'm sorry you're a sensitive little boy, Tommy. 

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1 hour ago, Longhornlove said:

Congrats, I don't see myself ever pulling the lever for the big D either. I honestly hate both parties, just hate the Democrat party way worse. FYI, IMHO Biden is the biggest pandering political liar of my lifetime.

You don’t think a POS like Trump pandering to evangelicals is a bigger political lie?  
I have just come to the point of accepting that a large percentage of this country is just fucking stupid and no amount of education can overcome them being guided by their worst base instincts. 
This statement reminds me of the Trump supporter who said something to the effect of he had never met a democrat who had not attended college and by his logic if you didn’t like Trump it was because you were indoctrinated in college. 
I still maintain that racism and bigotry is a big factor with a large percentage of people who say they “hate” the Democrats. 

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4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I described your childish behavior with an apt comparison. Clearly it hit a little too close to the mark, you don't seem pissed and sensitive about it at all. I'm sorry you're a sensitive little boy, Tommy. 

congrats! you've won an internet point today. 

hope that helps the kids vote!

you've since real good work today Sydney!

 

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1 hour ago, Longhornlove said:

Congrats, I don't see myself ever pulling the lever for the big D either. I honestly hate both parties, just hate the Democrat party way worse. FYI, IMHO Biden is the biggest pandering political liar of my lifetime.

Goddamn thats funny.  Who's gonna break it to the dems that LonghornLove wont be joining Biden on the campaign trail this season because he's got the next 6 months blocked out to gargle Trump's orange balls. It going to wreck their entire strategy. 

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33 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

hold on i need to check Newsmax. 

you come at me with ad hominem bullshit like that and expect civility?

go fuck yourself. 

biden is a boomer doing or allowing cruel boomers to do boomer things. 

did i miss where he decried our governor sending in goons to back up a peaceful protest? he's always had a tough on crime old school boomer mindset. that's why he isn't succeeding with the youth. 

but keep telling kids about infrastructure I'm sure they fucking love that

I have a vague recollection of you as a reasonable poster. But your unsubstantiated and wrong attack on Biden regarding young people is just flat out loony, and I’m not a Democrat.

He is one of the most genuine Presidents we’ve had in a long time and he has absolutely pursued policies to help young people, as several posters above have listed. If you think he should be doing a lot more, than you’ve forgotten that he also has to balance his decisions against other constituents, like Jewish Americans, minority groups, the aging, etc. Please go find your common sense. You sound completely unhinged.

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2 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

Congrats, I don't see myself ever pulling the lever for the big D either. I honestly hate both parties, just hate the Democrat party way worse. FYI, IMHO Biden is the biggest pandering political liar of my lifetime.

Were you in a coma from 2015 until this morning?

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2 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

Congrats, I don't see myself ever pulling the lever for the big D either. I honestly hate both parties, just hate the Democrat party way worse. FYI, IMHO Biden is the biggest pandering political liar of my lifetime.

How about we both just list out all the lies from the two candidates and compare. I’ll do Trump. You do Biden. Since you’ve made the more provocative claim, you go first.  

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50 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You literally suggested with no hint of evidence that the President of the United States loves watching college students get their skills cracked. And at any point, you could have claimed you were pissed and went too far, or didn't really mean it, or walk it back. Instead you've doubled and tripled down at me for being critical of your shittastic HAWT TAKE, and you're acting all butthurt becuase you're acting like a MAGA fucktard who watches newsmax. 

You are a known poster of 25 years. Which is why it's so perplexing to see you go completely off the fucking deep end on this topic. But yeah, I'm sure you were just being sarcastic and continuing to be sarcastic. Which, btw, if it were true, you could have just said "I was being sarcastic you dumb motherfucker" the first time. But you didn't. 

Just would like to say that I'm enjoying watching these students getting their skulls cracked!

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2 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

hold on i need to check Newsmax. 

you come at me with ad hominem bullshit like that and expect civility?

go fuck yourself. 

biden is a boomer doing or allowing cruel boomers to do boomer things. 

did i miss where he decried our governor sending in goons to back up a peaceful protest? he's always had a tough on crime old school boomer mindset. that's why he isn't succeeding with the youth. 

but keep telling kids about infrastructure I'm sure they fucking love that

Stop being dumbass.

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I don't get the apathy from young voters, especially after everything that's happened since 2016. Cynicism, yes, but not apathy. It's like saying that Mon Mothma broke a promise on my pet issue so I'mma let Vader/Palpatine have it, both sides are the same.

 

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2 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

hold on i need to check Newsmax. 

you come at me with ad hominem bullshit like that and expect civility?

go fuck yourself. 

biden is a boomer doing or allowing cruel boomers to do boomer things. 

did i miss where he decried our governor sending in goons to back up a peaceful protest? he's always had a tough on crime old school boomer mindset. that's why he isn't succeeding with the youth. 

but keep telling kids about infrastructure I'm sure they fucking love that

Read what @Dbeasy says below. Remember the old saying: You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.

 

2 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

I have a vague recollection of you as a reasonable poster. But your unsubstantiated and wrong attack on Biden regarding young people is just flat out loony, and I’m not a Democrat.

He is one of the most genuine Presidents we’ve had in a long time and he has absolutely pursued policies to help young people, as several posters above have listed. If you think he should be doing a lot more, than you’ve forgotten that he also has to balance his decisions against other constituents, like Jewish Americans, minority groups, the aging, etc. Please go find your common sense. You sound completely unhinged.

Perfectly said.

And cross-posting because I think it's worth seeing Carville's thoughts in a couple different places:

 

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22 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

This is 100% correct.  I've had the conversations, multiple times, with at least a couple of dozen new voters.  They won't vote for Trump, but they won't vote for Biden, either.  I'm talking smart, educated students, but they're naive and unaware of the nuance of what is going on.  Biden will suffer because of it.

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5 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Great post, and wasn't meant to singularly call out Palestine (although that is the big issue of the day).  My frustration with the younger generation lies in that many of them seem to have ONE issue that they center their entire personality around (be it Gaza, tiktok ban, student loans, etc) and they will willingly ignore EVERYTHING else and gleefully punish those in power if they don't get exactly what they want on that one issue. Behavior with potentially horrendous ramifications if widespread enough.

It's like you were never a young person.  This is what they do.

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Well if they help get Grandpa Joe kicked out then they'll really have someone to protest when Trump is back in the White House and enacting terrible things against the people they claim to care about. Well, until the Insurrection Act is called up to violently put down their protests. 

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1 hour ago, Paper_jam said:

I don't get the apathy from young voters, especially after everything that's happened since 2016. Cynicism, yes, but not apathy. It's like saying that Mon Mothma broke a promise on my pet issue so I'mma let Vader/Palpatine have it, both sides are the same.

 

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20 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

biden is suffering because he doesn't give a fuck about young people and young people issues

I must be taking crazy pills because I thought the climate change action in the IRA would help today's students 50 years from now, when he'll be dead.  

Pretty selfless if you asked me.

4 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

hold on i need to check Newsmax. 

you come at me with ad hominem bullshit like that and expect civility?

go fuck yourself. 

biden is a boomer doing or allowing cruel boomers to do boomer things. 

did i miss where he decried our governor sending in goons to back up a peaceful protest? he's always had a tough on crime old school boomer mindset. that's why he isn't succeeding with the youth. 

but keep telling kids about infrastructure I'm sure they fucking love that

These are two of the dumbest posts I've ever seen in CR and that's saying something.  You obviously have an idea of the perfect candidate, so why don't you describe it?  Better yet, run for office yourself and tell me how it goes.

6 hours ago, bolverk said:

I largely agree.

As you're aware, I'm sure, my position on the Palestine issue is pretty clear in that I think Palestinians have a fundamental right to self-determination. Israel's 50-year-old occupation and settlement policy are as responsible for the radicalization of the population as anything else. While I believe the conduct of the IDF in Gaza has been overly reckless and cruel to civilians, I also fully acknowledge that Israel has a right to self-defense and support its defeat of Hamas's military.

As an American citizen and taxpayer, I'm really uncomfortable with the degree of military support and diplomatic cover we provide their government, which allows them to operate in such a brazen manner in both Gaza and the West Bank. 

The kinetic nature of warfare, with all its ongoing deaths and destruction, inflames passions and gives a sense of urgency and energy to protests. I fully understand that, but there's little that these protestors can accomplish in the short time necessary to affect what's happening RIGHT NOW. So, I'm not sure this particular issue is where I'd invest all my blood, sweat, and tears if I were a student activist. 

Now, I'm not saying it's unworthy of protests, and, to be honest, 60-some-odd protestors (initial count from yesterday) on a campus of 50,000 students probably isn't far out of line with how people prioritize issues. To me, it's the heavy-handed response by Hartzell and the State that's created the media firestorm.

Having said all that, they (we all) need to be focusing more on the bigger picture, which is defeating theocratic fascism and white nationalism at home as that encompasses so many fucking other issues (free elections, racial equality, abortion rights, privacy rights, LGBTQ rights, gender equality, public education, etc.). Without tackling this fundamental shit, we won't be able to tackle any of the other challenges we're facing, including climate change and assaults on democracy abroad.

I'd love those kids to be building a much broader coalition focusing on fighting authoritarianism at home, giving them the moral authority and context for their protestations against Israeli policies in the Occupied Territories. 

+rep, as I agree with most of your post, Israel has been under attack its entire existence.  

 

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I am going to fly to Austin, sit on the tailgate of my truck in the Whip-in parking lot, drink a bud heavy and literally beat the shit out of you morons one by one.

Finals end in a week. Coverage* ends in a week. Coverage is a handful of international students and International Relations nerds. 50 individuals arrested with only half having ties to UT out of 50,000 person campus. Do the math.

Biden was born in 42. He’s not a boomer.

The DEA today had 5 people confirm they’re going forward with rescheduling cannabis to schedule 3.

 

 

 

And with a snap of my finger, none of you are allowed in my Biden thread any more.

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5 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

I am going to fly to Austin, sit on the tailgate of my truck in the Whip-in parking lot, drink a bud heavy and literally beat the shit out of you morons one by one.

Finals end in a week. Coverage* ends in a week. Coverage is a handful of international students and International Relations nerds. 50 individuals arrested with only half having ties to UT out of 50,000 person campus. Do the math.

Biden was born in 42. He’s not a boomer.

The DEA today had 5 people confirm they’re going forward with rescheduling cannabis to schedule 3.

 

 

 

And with a snap of my finger, none of you are allowed in my Biden thread any more.

If you have to fly to Austin, how are you going to sit on the bed of *your* truck? 

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6 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

Congrats, I don't see myself ever pulling the lever for the big D either. I honestly hate both parties, just hate the Democrat party way worse. FYI, IMHO Biden is the biggest pandering political liar of my lifetime.

Do you wear a helmet and a bib for drool when you type? Jeeeesus

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8 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

If you have to fly to Austin, how are you going to sit on the bed of *your* truck? 

Boy I hope someone got permabanned for that blunder 

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5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

If you have to fly to Austin, how are you going to sit on the bed of *your* truck? 

Truck is in my townhome parking lot. The Nissan Altima is for my remote adventures. When this country adopts a one car policy I will take up arms.

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