que carajo te pasa mexico

[closetohumping 17454]

Two Australians and American surfer killed.  For tires.  Jfc

[bolverk 29695]

I guess those Baja bandits have poisoned the well for surfers who needed some tasty waves and a cool buzz who won't go looking at that wave and saying, "Hey bud, let's party!" anymore.

[Hate 20128]

They’ll find the responsible parties. Hell, the cartels may find them and take care of them themselves. Nobody wants this kind of press there. They need the tourist $$. 

[YGIFS 19452]

Yeah, we often forget that not all crime in Mexico is drug-related.  Sometimes it's just violent dumbfucks robbing people over inane crap.  Just like in the U.S.  But this is bad for business and invites a lot of unwanted law enforcement attention from Mexico, the U.S, and now even Australia.  Lots of people with lots of budget asking lots of questions during vacation season.  As Hate said, there's an 80% chance these guys get involved in what will appear to be an internal fight amongst themselves over the loot, or some kinda murder-suicide tryst.  

None of these man are making it through the summer alive.  

[bschoolprof 6271]

So Mexico is dangerous for gringo tourists.  Who knew?

[closetohumping 17454]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

I guess those Baja bandits have poisoned the well for surfers who needed some tasty waves and a cool buzz who won't go looking at that wave and saying, "Hey bud, let's party!" anymore.

Sucks as that area isn't too far from me and I'd like to check it out.

1 hour ago, bschoolprof said:

So Mexico is dangerous for gringo tourists.  Who knew?

I thought they didn't fuck with tourists?  

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

Yeah, we often forget that not all crime in Mexico is drug-related.  Sometimes it's just violent dumbfucks robbing people over inane crap.  Just like in the U.S.  But this is bad for business and invites a lot of unwanted law enforcement attention from Mexico, the U.S, and now even Australia.  Lots of people with lots of budget asking lots of questions during vacation season.  As Hate said, there's an 80% chance these guys get involved in what will appear to be an internal fight amongst themselves over the loot, or some kinda murder-suicide tryst.  

None of these man are making it through the summer alive.  

Feels like a crime of opportunity and desperation.  However, makes me want to visit just a bit less.

1 hour ago, Hate said:

They’ll find the responsible parties. Hell, the cartels may find them and take care of them themselves. Nobody wants this kind of press there. They need the tourist $$. 

Got them already

[Reagan1k 3024]

They found additional human remains beneath the surfers' bodies.

Looks like these bandits went to the well one too many times.

[Helobious 9464]

1 hour ago, Hate said:

They’ll find the responsible parties. Hell, the cartels may find them and take care of them themselves. Nobody wants this kind of press there. They need the tourist $$. 

They’ve already been arrested. Doesn’t sound like it’s cartel related, looks like it was a group of 3 possibly part of a gang that had been going around carjacking people in the area recently. Some of the locals are upset because they say they’ve complained about this gang before yet the police never did anything about them until this happened. 

[crash_davis 23114]

Killed because the thieves wanted the truck tires. 

Before we start casting stones, in 2022 there was a random killing on Padre Island of a Utah couple. The murderous thieves wanted the Utah couple's RV camper to flee to Mexico.

Shit happens everywhere. 

[YGIFS 19452]

4 minutes ago, Helobious said:

They’ve already been arrested. Doesn’t sound like it’s cartel related, looks like it was a group of 3 possibly part of a gang that had been going around carjacking people in the area recently. Some of the locals are upset because they say they’ve complained about this gang before yet the police never did anything about them until this happened. 

Yeah, believe it or not----Mexico has crime that is not cartel related.  We need the law dogs to weigh in here...but attorneys or even government consulates from USA/AUS are gonna start poking around while these fellas are in custody.  That's not good for tourism.  That's not good for anybody.  And it's certainly not good for their personal well-being while guests of the Mexican Law Enforcement community...

[lucious leftfoot 126]

Yeah camping on a remote beach in Mexico is asking for trouble.

[Hook1997 5397]

On 5/7/2024 at 10:01 AM, crash_davis said:

Killed because the thieves wanted the truck tires. 

Before we start casting stones, in 2022 there was a random killing on Padre Island of a Utah couple. The murderous thieves wanted the Utah couple's RV camper to flee to Mexico.

Shit happens everywhere. 

Yea I think they were on the run for murder already….  I wouldn’t go camping in PINs without a gun, many stories over the years of people on the run hiding out there.  

[YGIFS 19452]

El trato el lam, pero lo quesaron, Geraldito! 

[Gatorubet 30274]

On 5/7/2024 at 10:17 AM, lucious leftfoot said:

Yeah camping on a remote beach in Mexico is asking for trouble.

This is the reason I do not tent camp in East St. Louis. 

[Rockwell Torrey 1294]

1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

This is the reason I do not tent camp in East St. Louis. 

I hear Baltimore is nice in the Spring.

[Gatorubet 30274]

Is this gonna be a good time to check the rates for all-inclusive resorts at Isla Mujeres? Why, yes - yes it is. 

[Armybrat 40856]

On 5/7/2024 at 8:30 AM, bschoolprof said:

So Mexico is dangerous for gringo tourists.  Who knew?

Christmas week of 1960, I walked alone around the Plaza de la Constitucion area in Mexico City until 2 or 3 am a couple of times with no problems at all

[Armybrat 40856]

6 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

This is the reason I do not tent camp in East St. Louis. 

The 82nd Airborne would need an escort of Marines through East St. Louis when we lived at Jefferson Barracks 70 years ago.

Edited May 9 by Armybrat

[Gatorubet 30274]

6 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Christmas week of 1960, I walked alone around the Plaza de la Constitucion area in Mexico City until 2 or 3 am a couple of times with no problems at all

There is a good chance they remembered you from 1847…

[Armybrat 40856]

4 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Is this gonna be a good time to check the rates for all-inclusive resorts at Isla Mujeres? Why, yes - yes it is. 

My son’s favorite resort for the past several years in Cancun is Excellence Playa Mujeres.

 

[Steel Shank 9429]

Looks aight.

[landman 559]

2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Is this gonna be a good time to check the rates for all-inclusive resorts at Isla Mujeres? Why, yes - yes it is. 

13 days and counting...

[closetohumping 17454]

2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

This is the reason I do not tent camp in East St. Louis. 

I only camp on university campuses.  Oh wait......

[Jiggy-Z 3433]

2 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

Yea I think they were on the run for murder already….  I wouldn’t go camping in PINs without a gun, many stories over the years of people on the run hiding out there.  

Entrance to PINS is under constant video surveillance. Probably one of the worst places to hide out.

Met some real nutters down there though. But kind of a lot work to get down there and do criming.

No guns for me.

[YGIFS 19452]

2 hours ago, Armybrat said:

My son’s favorite resort for the past several years in Cancun is Excellence Playa Mujeres.

 

I can't be the only one picturing Armybrat in one of these chairs with a sun-burned face, mumbling, "I said no salt.  No salt in the margaritas.  I won't be leaving a tip.  I could shut this whole resort down.  I could take my traveler's checks to a competing resort.  I could write a letter to your board of tourism and have this place condemned.  I could put strychnine in the guacamole.  There was salt on the rim of the margaritas glass.  Bit grains of salt."  

[rage-a-holic 4417]

2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Is this gonna be a good time to check the rates for all-inclusive resorts at Isla Mujeres? Why, yes - yes it is. 

Enseneda and IM are on complete opposite ends of the country. 

That's like expecting lower airbnb rates in Maine after a bunch of murders in San Diego.

Edited May 9 by rage-a-holic

[texasdago 7575]

On 5/7/2024 at 10:17 AM, lucious leftfoot said:

Yeah camping on a remote beach in Mexico is asking for trouble.

Need to find where I saw this but apparently the guys did not want to pay to park at some campsite so instead they went to private land and that may have been their demise.  

[Sawbonz 27580]

5 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

This is the reason I do not tent camp in East St. Louis. 

[rage-a-holic 4417]

1 hour ago, texasdago said:

Need to find where I saw this but apparently the guys did not want to pay to park at some campsite so instead they went to private land and that may have been their demise.  

• All beaches are public in Mexico. These guys were camping/surfing on a remote beach, but it was not private property. There's a dirt road that goes right to it.
• The shitbags who killed them were part of a known group of thieves who just wanted their tires
• Those shitbags used illegal guns to murder the surfers. For some reason, those shitbags ignored Mexican law. The surfers, who obeyed Mexican law and didn't carry illegal guns, were unable to defend themselves.

[Hate 20128]

Wait…let me get this straight.  Criminals don’t follow gun laws? 

[texasdago 7575]

7 hours ago, rage-a-holic said:

• All beaches are public in Mexico. These guys were camping/surfing on a remote beach, but it was not private property. There's a dirt road that goes right to it.
• The shitbags who killed them were part of a known group of thieves who just wanted their tires
• Those shitbags used illegal guns to murder the surfers. For some reason, those shitbags ignored Mexican law. The surfers, who obeyed Mexican law and didn't carry illegal guns, were unable to defend themselves.

I'll see if I can find it, but no one is questioning that we are dealing with shitbags. 

[SimonBolivar 10958]

10 hours ago, rage-a-holic said:

Enseneda and IM are on complete opposite ends of the country. 

That's like expecting lower airbnb rates in Maine after a bunch of murders in San Diego.

You overestimate 

1.) The average American's geographical knowledge

2.) The average American's ability to logically see "Mexico Murders!1!1" and not connect that to the entire country and possibly The Valley too just to be safe.

I was heading down to Oaxaca around the time of the killings/kidnapping in Matamoros and had 2 different people ask me if I was going to cancel my trip. 

[rage-a-holic 4417]

1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

You overestimate 

1.) The average American's geographical knowledge

2.) The average American's ability to logically see "Mexico Murders!1!1" and not connect that to the entire country and possibly The Valley too just to be safe.

I was heading down to Oaxaca around the time of the killings/kidnapping in Matamoros and had 2 different people ask me if I was going to cancel my trip. 

Sure, but that was pre-internet. Nowadays, any smart traveler or concerned friend/relative can look at an online map, read hotel/area reviews and check status on FB groups.

Most don't, but it's a resource now. I just saw a post on one of my Cozumel groups from some cruise ship mutant who asked if it was safe to get off the cruise ship in Cozumel....after those murders in Baja Norte. Most of the replies were "Please don't come to Cozumel. Ever."

And I partied in Matamoros over spring break twice during the killings/kidnappings. We all thought we were bulletproof.

Edited May 9 by rage-a-holic

[rage-a-holic 4417]

Quote

Wait…let me get this straight.  Criminals don’t follow gun laws? 

I know, hard to believe.

Edited May 9 by rage-a-holic

[RDCanecutter 26458]

17 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Christmas week of 1960, I walked alone around the Plaza de la Constitucion area in Mexico City until 2 or 3 am a couple of times with no problems at all

Not for you. But the 12 guys you beat up and robbed were never the same again.

[texasdago 7575]

First, all the dumbasses (not here) who worry about Cancun or Isla when something happens in Baja.  Ask them if they're cancelling their trip to Disneyland 'cause you heard about that grisly murder in St. Louis?

 

Take it all with a grain of salt 'cause reddit but some interesting comments...

From what I’ve read it’s likely it happened at Punta San Jose on Saturday night. NOT K38, where there’s service and tons of people around. Bad info doesn’t help anyone. PSJ is somewhat remote, no service 45mins down a dirt road an hour south of Ensenada/ That spot isn’t safe to camp at and is known for tweakers robbing & carjacking campers. Their last known location was San Miguel Saturday morning. Phone was found in Maneadero, which is south Ensenada and not the nicest area. The Mexican news post I saw said the woman arrested with one of their phones was caught with half a pound of meth.

another person

Have camped at PSJ several times. Pretty remote area at the end of a long dirt road. Live in Mexico part-time and have heard multiple first hand accounts of people getting robbed out there at gun point. Lots of tweaker & sketchy activity, nails in tires, etc. Definitely not a safe place to camp anymore and so tragic that these guys didn’t have that information.

more

 

Never ever open camp in Mexico over night, maybe at a designated gated campground like K-58 but generally it is a big no-no. You always want to stay in well travelled areas at night in Baja.

Especially south of Ensenada, it's exrememly rural south of La Bufadora (Coast is 10 miles away from Highway 1 that goes to Cabo), no services only small villages. Especially at night....

I've always wanted to check the area out but it's known to be sketch any you are truly on your own if you get in trouble.

Anyway, more here.  Seems like quite a few people knew Calllum. 

 

 

Edited May 9 by texasdago

[Armybrat 40856]

1 hour ago, RDCanecutter said:

Not for you. But the 12 guys you beat up and robbed were never the same again.

Actually I was looking for a hooker, but apparently they were all at home wrapping Christmas presents.

[Helobious 9464]

6 hours ago, Hate said:

Wait…let me get this straight.  Criminals don’t follow gun laws? 

 

12 hours ago, rage-a-holic said:

• All beaches are public in Mexico. These guys were camping/surfing on a remote beach, but it was not private property. There's a dirt road that goes right to it.
• The shitbags who killed them were part of a known group of thieves who just wanted their tires
• Those shitbags used illegal guns to murder the surfers. For some reason, those shitbags ignored Mexican law. The surfers, who obeyed Mexican law and didn't carry illegal guns, were unable to defend themselves.

Clearly the answer is to abolish all laws, since criminals don’t follow them anyway.

[rage-a-holic 4417]

Cartel members allegedly knew these shitbags and turned them over to the policia. The cartels have zero interest in fucking with tourism. 

Suspect Charged for Surfers' Deaths in Baja, Cartel Claims Collaboration with Police - Surfer