Schlossed and confused: When panic leads to an Earley hire

[Tex Long 4,401]

2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I wasn’t aware it was still 1967? For fucks sake.

So HC in HS is good enough for you, but four years as Pro pitching coach and a year turning aggy pitching into basically top staff in college isn't. Oh, wait - you'd take him as a pitching coach, right? 

[Tex Long 4,401]

11 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I see that Tex woke up on the stupid side of the bed this morning.

You miss on Vit and Schloss, who you got?

 

[hobbes2702 13,045]

5 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

So HC in HS is good enough for you, but four years as Pro pitching coach and a year turning aggy pitching into basically top staff in college isn't. Oh, wait - you'd take him as a pitching coach, right? 

A HC in HS is not good enough for me. Again, this isn’t 1967.

Yes I would take him as a pitching coach. That’s what he is. We are hiring for head coach at the premier program in the sport.

[UncleBuck 6,454]

7 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

You miss on Vit and Schloss, who you got?

 

He's in the thread title. Or I circle back to Bakich. I don't not like Weiner AS A COACH, I just think that at Texas you go get a HC that has proven he can run an entire program.

Edited June 20 by UncleBuck

[hobbes2702 13,045]

7 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

You miss on Vit and Schloss, who you got?

 

Someone who’s been a head coach before.

[Beau Vine 54,247]

14 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

You miss on Vit and Schloss, who you got?

 

Just a guy who responds to everything with questions, I guess.

[UncleBuck 6,454]

1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

Just a guy who responds to everything with questions, I guess.

That's your answer?

[troph 24,836]

8 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Someone who’s been a head coach before.

10U baby. I'll do it for $1.8m per year. I'll hire any of you that can get me the job. cronyism, surly style.

[freyguy 4,278]

Scloss & Vit will be hired to coach 1st & 3rd base.

[Tex Long 4,401]

18 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

A HC in HS is not good enough for me. 

So, no Gus for you. 

11 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Just a guy who responds to everything with questions, I guess.

Is that an opinion, or just a guess?

3 minutes ago, freyguy said:

Scloss & Vit will be hired to coach 1st & 3rd base.

Might need a bigger budget... but sounds good.

[freyguy 4,278]

and we're almost finished resurrecting Augie, Palpatine-style

[Had Enough 2,083]

39 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Actually? Yeah, I think so. 

Y'all just fearful of being laughed at. We flame out on Schloss and Vit, we're already going to be a laughing stock for screwing around for a month.

 

Sorta, but not entirely. Is HC high school good enough for you?

I’m not skeert of a bold move.

Was Vitello a head guy before Tennessee?  How many head guys have multiple titles?  How many have single titles then not so much?

Theres risk.  If the top two guys are off the board, then what? 

[closetojumping 62,741]

47 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I hope this is sarcasm 

It’s not sarcasm. That idiot has launched a full on assault of tautological banality at this thread. 

[closetojumping 62,741]

1 minute ago, Had Enough said:

I’m not skeert of a bold move.

Was Vitello a head guy before Tennessee?  How many head guys have multiple titles?  How many have single titles then not so much?

Theres risk.  If the top two guys are off the board, then what? 

Then other shit besides hiring someone without any experience happens. Get a fucking grip. 

[JGHorn 148]

28 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Someone who’s been a head coach before.

Clay Van Hook at UTA

[hobbes2702 13,045]

9 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

So, no Gus for you. 

Is that an opinion, or just a guess?

Might need a bigger budget... but sounds good.

Can you read? What year do you think it is?

[hobbes2702 13,045]

5 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I’m not skeert of a bold move.

Was Vitello a head guy before Tennessee?  How many head guys have multiple titles?  How many have single titles then not so much?

Theres risk.  If the top two guys are off the board, then what? 

If the top two guys are off the board then hire the third guy. 

[Hookem2147 21,331]

I feel like we see this in a lot of coaching searches. Someone name their one or two dream candidates then go off a cliff with their plan B options.

"If we can't get Vitello or Schlossnagle, I guess we'll just be asking Ty Harrington to come out of retirement to bridge the gap til 2026."

There are more than 1 or 2 guys who can big win at Texas.

Edited June 20 by Hookem2147

[Tex Long 4,401]

3 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

It’s not sarcasm. That idiot has launched a full on assault of tautological banality at this thread. 

Ooooh, look! Someone found his Thesaurus! 

 

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

Can you read? What year do you think it is?

Are you under the impression that lots of colleges hired HS coaches to run their baseball programs in 1967? When did that become unacceptable?

[BurntOrange&White 39,934]

1 hour ago, Tex Long said:

Yuk it up all you want, but if Vitello and Schlossnagle both decline, we should go for Max Weiner. 

 

I'm going for Max Weiner with Vitello and Schloss

[BurntOrange&White 39,934]

1 hour ago, Tex Long said:

So, you would have passed on Gus for the same reason? Or HC in high school was good enough?

 

You're a post or two away from pulling a @Helobious and suggesting Adrian Alaniz.

[Tex Long 4,401]

I'm disappointed in y'all. I thought surely someone would notice O'Sullivan and his batboy moms dicking around. Something something challenges.

[UncleBuck 6,454]

2 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

 

 

Are you under the impression that lots of colleges hired HS coaches to run their baseball programs in 1967? When did that become unacceptable?

It was for sure more common then, especially very successful ones. These guys knew the local landscape, knew the other coaches in the state. You look at a guy like Gustafson, dude had just won like 8 state championships. Kids around the state knew who his teams were. Much easier to recruit back in the 60s with a guy like that. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21,907]

If we're going to fire our coach because he's short and wanted to be his own pitching coach then we're not going to turn around and hire a pitching coach to be our head coach.

[Tex Long 4,401]

1 minute ago, UncleBuck said:

It was for sure more common then, especially very successful ones. These guys knew the local landscape, knew the other coaches in the state. You look at a guy like Gustafson, dude had just won like 8 state championships. Kids around the state knew who his teams were. Much easier to recruit back in the 60s with a guy like that. 

I'm thinking Max won't be having any problems recruiting. 

[BurntOrange&White 39,934]

We're getting Schloss with Max Weiner and Tulo.

[Had Enough 2,083]

7 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Then other shit besides hiring someone without any experience happens. Get a fucking grip. 

Get a grip huh?  I’m pretty relaxed about it.  CDC is pretty good at what he does.  I trust him to make a well reasoned choice.  Previous head coaching experience is not a must have for me.  It’s fine that others feel differently.

[cmontexas 3,272]

Im not downplaying the quality of Weiner as a candidate but I doubt we would just wait quietly for an assistant to finish the season. Hell, we hired Sark before the Bama bowl game and he did both jobs for a couple weeks

[UncleBuck 6,454]

1 minute ago, Tex Long said:

I'm thinking Max won't be having any problems recruiting. 

Maybe not. Maybe pitchers? I think you have a guy like Vitell'r get a head gig in the SEC without ever being an HC because he showed he can recruit. Weiner, has he shown anything yet but the ability to coach pitchers? I just don't think that's enough. Maybe for UofH or something, but this is by gawd TEXAS!

[BurntOrange&White 39,934]

Rob Vaughn > Max Weiner as HC candidate. Vaughn basically the younger version of Vitello.

[hobbes2702 13,045]

12 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Ooooh, look! Someone found his Thesaurus! 

 

Are you under the impression that lots of colleges hired HS coaches to run their baseball programs in 1967? When did that become unacceptable?

It became unacceptable when Gus made this the premier baseball program in the history of college baseball.

[tx 3 putt 76,988]

1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

I wasn’t aware it was still 1967? For fucks sake.

Not sure how the world even worked before internet experts 

[jimmyjazz 45,972]

Without knowing the field, I would bet there are literally (literally) dozens of current D1 head coaches who would be happy to land the Texas job, and who would be less risky than a zero-experience pitching coach.

[tx 3 putt 76,988]

50 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

He's in the thread title. Or I circle back to Bakich. I don't not like Weiner AS A COACH, I just think that at Texas you go get a HC that has proven he can run an entire program.

what if wiener blows the away at the interviews ?

[Tex Long 4,401]

Just now, cmontexas said:

Im not downplaying the quality of Weiner as a candidate but I doubt we would just wait quietly for an assistant to finish the season. Hell, we hired Sark before the Bama bowl game and he did both jobs for a couple weeks

We're not waiting quietly. Schloss and Vitello are both in play. I have a strong feeling we'll be getting one of them. If not, I think CDC's apparently very close relationship with Schloss might see Schloss recommending Weiner. 

Yeah, it's out there, but I don't see it as impossible - I think more likely him than fucking O'Sullivan.

We'll know before too long, though.

Hook'em.

[tx 3 putt 76,988]

42 minutes ago, troph said:

10U baby. I'll do it for $1.8m per year. I'll hire any of you that can get me the job. cronyism, surly style.

I was a volunteer 6A assistant coach for many years. I can keep book and help shift the defense 

[TejasPedro 1,858]

Too many are prematurely announcing Weiner coming to Texas. If and when he comes to Texas he will explode on the recruiting scene.

[Tex Long 4,401]

4 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

It became unacceptable when Gus made this the premier baseball program in the history of college baseball.

What??? First it's acceptable, but only because it was a long fucking time ago, then it worked, and so became unacceptable?

Never mind, then.

[tx 3 putt 76,988]

6 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

Im not downplaying the quality of Weiner as a candidate but I doubt we would just wait quietly for an assistant to finish the season. Hell, we hired Sark before the Bama bowl game and he did both jobs for a couple weeks

1. A quality wiener gets you places in life 

2. you’re not interviewing anyone SEC and still in the cws. Schloss has to notify A&M if contacted by any school, I’m sure the same for wiener 

[UncleBuck 6,454]

Just now, TejasPedro said:

Too many are prematurely announcing Weiner coming to Texas. If and when he comes to Texas he will explode on the recruiting scene.

Hell maybe we should want him to come to Texas. It'd suck for him to go somewhere else just to later come ON Texas. 

[tx 3 putt 76,988]

2 minutes ago, TejasPedro said:

Too many are prematurely announcing Weiner coming to Texas. If and when he comes to Texas he will explode on the recruiting scene.

[hobbes2702 13,045]

Just now, Tex Long said:

What??? First it's acceptable, but only because it was a long fucking time ago, then it worked, and so became unacceptable?

Never mind, then.

You’re a moron dude. It is not acceptable for this university to hire a high school coach or anyone that hasn’t been a head coach at this level before. 
Yea we hired Gus from a HS, that was 50 fucking years ago. Things change, welcome to the world.

[Beau Vine 54,247]

5 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

what if wiener blows the away at the interviews ?

Then we've got a mess on our hands.

[zlavydra 2,123]

2 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

He so old that he can't even beat his wife any more.

He turned the reins over to Ozuna?

[Tex Long 4,401]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Without knowing the field, I would bet there are literally (literally) dozens of current D1 head coaches who would be happy to land the Texas job, and who would be less risky than a zero-experience pitching coach.

If you don't know the field, how would you know they're "less risky" than a guy who's built excellent pitching staffs in MLB and SEC for five years?

You don't know but you'd bet... Me too: I'd bet there are plenty of outfits that'll be happy to take your bets on things you know nothing about.

[WBT 20,604]

6 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

2. you’re not interviewing anyone SEC and still in the cws. Schloss has to notify A&M if contacted by any school, I’m sure the same for wiener 

[jimmyjazz 45,972]

Just now, Tex Long said:

If you don't know the field, how would you know they're "less risky" than a guy who's built excellent pitching staffs in MLB and SEC for five years?

Because I'm not an idiot.

[Cairn Horn88 8,268]

23 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

It was for sure more common then, especially very successful ones. These guys knew the local landscape, knew the other coaches in the state. You look at a guy like Gustafson, dude had just won like 8 state championships. Kids around the state knew who his teams were. Much easier to recruit back in the 60s with a guy like that. 

Dig up Gus.

[Tex Long 4,401]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Because I'm not an idiot.

Risky bet.

[Cairn Horn88 8,268]

15 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

I was a volunteer 6A assistant coach for many years. I can keep book and help shift the defense 

…but can you coach 3rd base?   That’s the real prerequisite!