Schlossed and confused: When panic leads to an Earley hire

[Covri 6244]

11 hours ago, ClubWhatever said:

Who leaves their family to take a job?  Creep.

Would you want to raise your family in and around college station? Sure he'll take their money to coach baseball, but draws the line at allowing his kids anywhere near that cult of aggy.

[BlackCat 426]

1 minute ago, capnamerca said:

10/$32m is some serious "we are the Joneses" shit (if true).

Honestly I feel the opposite. Don’t get me wrong I want Schloss but that’s a ridiculous contract and I hope the terms are much more in line with the market. Would rather let a&m hand out the Jimbo contracts. 

[South Austin 52449]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Weiner . . . Definitely a hot name

[BornAndRaised 12281]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

I intentionally stay dark on these things. It's not as fun for me to not be part of the rampant speculation. I guess the only spoiler I have is I know pretty solidly who is full of shit and who isn't based on sources not info. 

There's been at least 3 posts of different dollar figures, all from people seemingly who are confident in their info. I've seen 2 with 10yrs/32m and another with 10yrs/36m. That's the whole "varied bits." Now whether or not we should be giving a 10yr contract is up for debate but it seems it's all coming together.

[Js1 85275]

1 minute ago, BlackCat said:

Honestly I feel the opposite. Don’t get me wrong I want Schloss but that’s a ridiculous contract and I hope the terms are much more in line with the market. Would rather let a&m hand out the Jimbo contracts. 

Would def be wild.  More than double his current pay.  Vitello is going to get a big raise, but no one has crossed the $2m club yet (Corbin is at $1.9m)

[Duane Moore 5237]

2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

[Hank Kingsley 20905]

6 minutes ago, capnamerca said:

10/$32m is some serious "we are the Joneses" shit (if true).

This is standard college fan operating procedure when to comes to coaching rumors. That the only way their coach leaves is with a ridiculous contract/number. I'd expect those terms to be completely made up.

[SquishMitten 10403]

4 minutes ago, chemHORN said:

I don’t think Skip would take the job “in a heartbeat” since he’s well aware of what that clownshow is all about, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to make him the highest paid coach in the country. That’s the kind of impulsive, irrational decision making they are known for, so I would fully expect it. Then again, if it is Schloss, then you would have to assume they were already unable to counter our offer. So maybe not as much money, but another fully guaranteed contract? I don’t know. I just know I’d hate to see Skip subjected to a future in CS.

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Would def be wild.  More than double his current pay.  Vitello is going to get a big raise, but no one has crossed the $2m club yet (Corbin is at $1.9m)

[Rimbo 25911]

3 hours ago, CowtownHorn said:

I’m a proud UT-Arlington grad and I must say…even that campus puts aggy to shame. 

I grew up in the neighborhood of WTA&M (WTSU at the time) and my son now goes to UC-Merced and frankly A&M looks better than both of those.

UC Merced is particularly weird.

"Hey, here's the newest campus in the top-notch University of California system. And we're putting it out next to a bunch of cows. Perfect if your kid thinks UC-Davis is just too urbanized!"

[kevwun 15764]

Texas has been pretty good at hiding coaching salaries also.  They're almost never in the headlines.  News of Sark's extension didn't even have numbers in it.

Edited June 25 by kevwun

[immamac 42835]

2 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

There's been at least 3 posts of different dollar figures, all from people seemingly who are confident in their info. I've seen 2 with 10yrs/32m and another with 10yrs/36m. That's the whole "varied bits." Now whether or not we should be giving a 10yr contract is up for debate but it seems it's all coming together.

That's part of the fun. That contract is absurd and incongruent with the way CDC usually structures deals. I do know the reason the job is attractive to top candidates that just played in the MCWS in Omaha is how put together the NIL machine is here. Everywhere else it's a lot of promises and a scramble to get shit done. At Texas it's a budget with a process, it's dramatically different than almost anywhere else in the country from the feedback we've collectively seen and received. 

[Rimbo 25911]

8 minutes ago, Covri said:

Would you want to raise your family in and around college station?

Just now, immamac said:

That's part of the fun. That contract is absurd and incongruent with the way CDC usually structures deals. I do know the reason the job is attractive to top candidates that just played in the MCWS in Omaha is how put together the NIL machine is here. Everywhere else it's a lot of promises and a scramble to get shit done. At Texas it's a budget with a process, it's dramatically different than almost anywhere else in the country from the feedback we've collectively seen and received. 

now is a good time to remind everyone here to put money into Texas One Fund if you haven't already

[dcar00 14153]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Would def be wild.  More than double his current pay.  Vitello is going to get a big raise, but no one has crossed the $2m club yet (Corbin is at $1.9m)

I can't imagine we would go 10 years.  5 maybe 6 but I would assume it would take $2.5M+.  

[closetojumping 62555]

5 minutes ago, capnamerca said:

10/$32m is some serious "we are the Joneses" shit (if true).

The numbers floated for the past 10+ days have ranged from $30-$36M and up to 10 years. 

Could that be the case? Maybe. Could a game of telephone have been played? I think that is more likely the case.

The contract likely isn’t that long and the numbers likely include the packages for assistants and supporting staff. Commitments in facilities upgrades and NIL are not a part of these numbers but will be a part of the overall deal, supposedly. 

If it really is a 10 year contract, count me in the group that think that is overkill. I’m hoping the truth is a smaller period of time and the numbers include the whole team. Reset the market for each level, fine, but is there is a HC in CBB making over $2M yet? Fine, go to $2.5M and then go bonkers with the rest too. Build a moat without looking desperate or ridiculous. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26436]

28 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Pierce had an axe to grind and Bohls is a contrarian jackass who wanted a big scoop for his new job.  It was a match made in hell.

Very likely this. That said this is almost certainly Kirk Bohl’s first scoop of any significance in his very long career. Astonishing really. 

[runthebone 7967]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Yes, football carries a lot of weight.  But Texas can enter the SEC and assert itself by winning the vast majority of H2H matchups next year as SEC conference foes and start relegating aggy to #2 in the state, as is their natural place. 

2 or lower

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

I could see something like 6 years 2.5-2.7 million per year with an extra million a year or more for assistants.

[Tex Long 4383]

HC and Assistants seem pretty much done, waiting for confirmation...

In the meantime - about the portaleers. Are they able to switch if they've only announced, or "committed" or whatever the terminology is, but not signed any documents yet?

You'd think there have to be some who are going to wish they could re-direct their paths.

[Hookem2147 21194]

17 minutes ago, chemHORN said:

Skip Johnson must have the best agent in the country to keep getting linked to these jobs as a coach with 1 good year and 6 years of below-average results.

[Hookem2147 21194]

Just now, Tex Long said:

HC and Assistants seem pretty much done, waiting for confirmation...

In the meantime - about the portaleers. Are they able to switch if they've only announced, or "committed" or whatever the terminology is, but not signed any documents yet?

You'd think there have to be some who are going to wish they could re-direct their paths.

I don't think you see many portal flips in baseball. 

Apparently, some guys on the current team have been trying to recruit portal guys for the last few weeks. There are a few undecided guys I have my eyes on.

[SquishMitten 10403]

4 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

There's been at least 3 posts of different dollar figures, all from people seemingly who are confident in their info. I've seen 2 with 10yrs/32m and another with 10yrs/36m. That's the whole "varied bits." Now whether or not we should be giving a 10yr contract is up for debate but it seems it's all coming together.

We aren’t known for being reckless with contracts. If it’s in that ballpark, that’d almost assuredly be for the entire staff, not just the HC. That could also be the total possible if all performance incentives are met. I don’t have a fucking clue, but I refuse to believe CDC would do something completely out of character like that, even considering all the non-tangible aspects of poaching him from the sheepfuckers. One way or the other, guess we’ll know soon enough if all this is just silly internet gossip. 
 

One thing I do believe, without having heard it anywhere other than internet chatter from people I know nothing about, is that Pierce leaked it to Bowels as a final fuck you from both of them.

[petscii 1189]

1 minute ago, Hookem2147 said:

Skip Johnson must have the best agent in the country to keep getting linked to these jobs as a coach with 1 good year and 6 years of below-average results.

You are leaving out the years he ran things for augie.. 2 good years, 12 years of below-average

[Rimbo 25911]

It's 10:30AM. Do you know where your head baseball coach is?

 

(No seriously, my F5 key is gettin' worn out here)

[Duane Moore 5237]

3 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

If it really is a 10 year contract, count me in the group that think that is overkill. I’m hoping the truth is a smaller period of time and the numbers include the whole team.

FWIW, from the little bit of OTF I watched this morning, Bobby said he’s hearing ten years and Gerry said that “it’s essentially a lifetime deal.”

[YGIFS 19449]

11 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

I looked at that like 5 times and thought it read "Hot Weiners, Roast Girls."  And I thought AI had replicated my porn search history.  

BoR getting on a call with CdC tomorrow to authorize an offer.  No idea to whom/they/them/those guys.  

[Hookem2147 21194]

Just now, petscii said:

You are leaving out the years he ran things for augie.. 2 good years, 12 years of below-average

But Clayton Kershaw trained with him for a couple of offseasons!

[The_Great_Hornsby 3236]

6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Very likely this. That said this is almost certainly Kirk Bohl’s first scoop of any significance in his very long career. Astonishing really. 

He did have the scoop back in 2005 that a dumbfuck sports reporter located in Austin voted for Reggie Bush for the Heisman over Vince. 

[Rimbo 25911]

Just now, Duane Moore said:

FWIW, from the little bit of OTF I watched this morning, Bobby said he’s hearing ten years and Gerry said that “it’s essentially a lifetime deal.”

because that has never worked out poorly before

[petscii 1189]

Just now, Hookem2147 said:

But Clayton Kershaw trained with him for a couple of offseasons!

I think skip is a great pitching coach.  The same way frank anderson and ken knutson are great pitching coaches.

[Tex Long 4383]

Gonna be some heavy-duty incentives, too... judging by Sark's contract.

Edited June 25 by Tex Long

[dcar00 14153]

14 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

oof Van Horn - 1400+ wins and only 7 CWS appearances.

[NoName 16351]

13 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Would def be wild.  More than double his current pay.  Vitello is going to get a big raise, but no one has crossed the $2m club yet (Corbin is at $1.9m)

Corbin was at 1.9 in 2022. Multiple other sources have him at ~$2.3 or ~$2.4 for this last season, evidently he made $2.5 in 2021?

how much are assistants making these days - would say ~$2.75m for a head coach plus another say ~800k for assistants make sense (if we are talking $3.6m) - looks like Steve Rodriguez was making 375k, so i think that's reasonable for the pool?

FCB has an article from 2022 showing how much some guys were making on the different sports if someone has a horns247 sub and wants to share: https://247sports.com/college/texas/longformarticle/texas-longhorns-football-salaries-behind-texas-athletics-directors-cup-success-chris-del-conte-steve-sarkisian-189776921/

[UncleBuck 6452]

Schloss can have his ten years as long as he denounces that "Texas Aggies" bullshit they were doing. What a group of fucking dorky assed losers. 

[Hookem2147 21194]

Steve Rodriguez made 375k? The dude basically stole money from us. 

[Dondrysdale1 363]

What’s crazy to think about if this comes to pass, is that we we were taking him wether they won or lost. 

[closetojumping 62555]

10 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

I don't think you see many portal flips in baseball. 

Apparently, some guys on the current team have been trying to recruit portal guys for the last few weeks. There are a few undecided guys I have my eyes on.

Again, I say take it all with a grain of salt, but allegedly there are serious talents aware of what’s about to go down and will be portaling if it is announced. Sounds too good to be true, but random people with usually good info keep saying it. It’s fun to think about, regardless. 

8 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

FWIW, from the little bit of OTF I watched this morning, Bobby said he’s hearing ten years and Gerry said that “it’s essentially a lifetime deal.”

With the certitude coming from OTF, my view, which isn’t informed, just guessing, is that they have been given details for their article, which will be posted the second the UT press release drops. I don’t think they’d be talking the way they have without some concrete data to work with, as Bobby and Gerry are simply too seasoned and too experienced (ie., they’ve been burned enough) to be doing so otherwise. 

So, that considered, I guess a 10 year deal may damned well be real. 

[Dondrysdale1 363]

4 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Steve Rodriguez made 375k? The dude basically stole money from us. 

I thought he coached offense no? They weren’t the most consistent but put together a solid year at the plate for the team. Is he a shit recruiter or something? Did he have the Tommy Harmon disease where he couldn’t leave the Austin City limits if not headed to a game?

Edited June 25 by Dondrysdale1

[Rickylovesweed 14262]

34 minutes ago, BlackCat said:

Honestly I feel the opposite. Don’t get me wrong I want Schloss but that’s a ridiculous contract and I hope the terms are much more in line with the market. Would rather let a&m hand out the Jimbo contracts. 

I don't really like the Jimbo comparison.

The reason the Jimbo contract was so dumb is because Jimbo was coming off a 5-6 season and everyone around the program said it was a disaster. Schloss was 1 game away from a title this year. 

I don't mind ridiculous contracts if the coach is still producing and winning at a high level. That was the problem with Jimbo. It was clear that Jimbo was already on a spiral as a head coach prior to aggy and they paid him like the best coach in the country. 

 

Edited June 25 by Rickylovesweed

[closetohumping 17434]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

If the prevailing rumors are true, the assistants are already as gone as Schlossnagle is. 

[Viper 12103]

26 minutes ago, immamac said:

That's part of the fun. That contract is absurd and incongruent with the way CDC usually structures deals. I do know the reason the job is attractive to top candidates that just played in the MCWS in Omaha is how put together the NIL machine is here. Everywhere else it's a lot of promises and a scramble to get shit done. At Texas it's a budget with a process, it's dramatically different than almost anywhere else in the country from the feedback we've collectively seen and received. 

 

24 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

The numbers floated for the past 10+ days have ranged from $30-$36M and up to 10 years. 

Could that be the case? Maybe. Could a game of telephone have been played? I think that is more likely the case.

The contract likely isn’t that long and the numbers likely include the packages for assistants and supporting staff. Commitments in facilities upgrades and NIL are not a part of these numbers but will be a part of the overall deal, supposedly. 

If it really is a 10 year contract, count me in the group that think that is overkill. I’m hoping the truth is a smaller period of time and the numbers include the whole team. Reset the market for each level, fine, but is there is a HC in CBB making over $2M yet? Fine, go to $2.5M and then go bonkers with the rest too. Build a moat without looking desperate or ridiculous. 

Any stories or comments about how Pierce handled NIL? What would we expect the next coach to do differently?

[Fondren & Main 6700]

Just now, Rickylovesweed said:

I don't really like the Jimbo comparison.

The reason the Jimbo contract was so dumb is because Jimbo was coming off a 5-6 season and everyone around the program said it was a disaster. Schloss was 1 game away from a title last year. 

I don't mind ridiculous contracts if the coach is still producing and winning at a high level. That was the problem with Jimbo. It was clear that Jimbo was already on a spiral as a head coach prior to aggy. 

 

Exactly, it's apples to oranges.  Sure, Schloss has never won the title, but he's built 3 separate programs in his career and left them all in great shape for the future provided he's our guy.

He's been to the CWS 7 times in 23 years and it's more like 22 since the COVID year was canceled.  He's won 11 conference titles and 10 tournament titles.  The guy is as proven as can be.

[RollingPresidential 632]

Just now, Viper said:

 

Any stories or comments about how Pierce handled NIL? What would we expect the next coach to do differently?

Bobby has mentioned numerous times on OTF that Pierce focused on giving all of the existing players full scholarships, right?

[The Dog 44019]

2 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

I don't really like the Jimbo comparison.

The reason the Jimbo contract was so dumb is because Jimbo was coming off a 5-6 season and everyone around the program said it was a disaster. Schloss was 1 game away from a title this year. 

I don't mind ridiculous contracts if the coach is still producing and winning at a high level. That was the problem with Jimbo. It was clear that Jimbo was already on a spiral as a head coach prior to aggy and they paid him like the best coach in the country. 

 

Yup it's as apples to oranges as it can get.

Schloss took over an aggy program that went 9-21 in the SEC the year before (last in their division) and made the CWS in his first season (and first in their division). Then national runner up in year 3. 

[closetohumping 17434]

For a guy like Schloss to leave for his rival we had to pay.  I do t like the figures if true but this is a unique situation 

[Hookem2147 21194]

5 minutes ago, Dondrysdale1 said:

I thought he coached offense no? They weren’t the most consistent but put together a solid year at the plate for the team. Is he a shit recruiter or something? Did he have the Tommy Harmon disease where he couldn’t leave the Austin City limits if not headed to a game?

Longley did pretty much everything offensively and was the recruiting coordinator. Rodriguez spot-recruited some, but, from all accounts, didn't do much. 

[UTEX_ME 4762]

1 hour ago, BlackCat said:

Seems like info is leaking out in a controlled manner. It sounds like the decision to get rid of Pierce was made behind closed doors when the conflicts with his staff passed a certain point. That would mean there was more than enough time to back channel with Schloss, hammer out a framework, come to general terms, and create safe lines of communication long before the playoffs even started. 
 

I think that’s the part many are likely discounting. The ags playoff run likely isn’t even that germane to the situation. 

[BachelorTrek 2966]

2 minutes ago, Viper said:

 

Any stories or comments about how Pierce handled NIL? What would we expect the next coach to do differently?

Bobby and Gerry from OTF said DP used NIL money to make non-scholarship and partial-scholarship players whole as if they had a full scholarship, instead of going after big portal and/or recruiting targets with NIL money. Bad idea!

[kevwun 15764]

He could probably have done both.  He was bad at recruiting though.

[SydneyCarton 48054]

I'm no fan of 10 year deals, but that might depend on the buyout. If it's fully guaranteed, but not outrageous for baseball, well, ok. Additionally, I'm not too worried about Schloss looking to pad his retirement. Dude would be at a blue blood, with a good 15-20 years of managing left in him, and he hasn't won shit yet. Dude wants to go on a run and have his name mentioned up there with the best of all time, well, you've got a window. Get to work.