Schlossed and confused: When panic leads to an Earley hire

[CTC2 2791]

I just can’t see a guy who either won the national championship or just played for it turning around a few days later and leaving to go coach at his schools bitter rival. While that would be great and all, I put it in the category of wish casting.  I just don’t believe it. 

[UncleBuck 6452]

Just now, Cairn Horn88 said:

Gus, Augie…Schloss does have a ring to being Texas gold.

"Disch Gusaugieschloss Falk?" sounds like it needs to go on a bumper sticker, ala those czech fellers with their "Jak Se Mas!"

[UncleBuck 6452]

5 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

I just can’t see a guy who either won the national championship or just played for it turning around a few days later and leaving to go coach at his schools bitter rival. While that would be great and all, I put it in the category of wish casting.  I just don’t believe it. 

Wish-casting is thinking you're the big bad Texas and can get anyone you want, regardless the circumstances (just winning a natty at an SEC school, possibly), to leave what they're doing and join you just because you're Texas. This is different, in the relationship that the said coach has with the other school's athletic director. Not that it makes it easy, it's still gunna be hard to pry him away and gun to my head I'd bet against it, but I just don't see it as "wish-casting." I guarantee you CDC doesn't see it that way. 

Edited June 21 by UncleBuck

[Hookem2147 21194]

4 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

I just can’t see a guy who either won the national championship or just played for it turning around a few days later and leaving to go coach at his schools bitter rival. While that would be great and all, I put it in the category of wish casting.  I just don’t believe it. 

I have been pretty skeptical of this too, but the one thing that gives me pause is that I think Schlossnagle and CDC have a type of relationship where he would quietly tell CDC to stop if he was wasting his time. No agents or middlemen would need to be involved. It would just be one friend telling another friend that the timing isn't quite right or he chose to stay.

Maybe that has happened and there is just a big smokescreen being put up, but considering I don't think Vitello is a serious candidate it really only leads to one conclusion.

[Redneck Mutha 7954]

18 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

If he wins it all, he'll never be able to go out to dinner in CS without being swarmed by weirdos. Austin is big enough he'd still have some anonymity to have a personal life without worrying if the whole restaurant is going to come over and serenade him with the war hymn when he's trying to have a nice meal with his wife.  

[UncleBuck 6452]

6 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Maybe that has happened and there is just a big smokescreen being put up, but considering I don't think Vitello is a serious candidate it really only leads to one conclusion.

I thought Schloss was damn near a done deal if he didn't go this far, but he did, and now I have a lot of pause.... but I pause on my pause because I think through back channels this might have gotten out by now, that Schloss won't entertain it. This discussion of Schloss/UT has to have reached the team. Maybe he told them he's coming back and every damn one of those kids have remained quiet. I dunno, tough to keep a lid on that many, and I'd expect something like that to leak out through at least one of them. But maybe he's throwing CDC a bone in some way? "I'm staying at aggy, bud, but I'll let my name hang around if it helps you out."

Edited June 21 by UncleBuck

[pearlandhorn 3269]

16 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Wish-casting is thinking you're the big bad Texas and can get anyone you want, regardless the circumstances (just winning a natty at an SEC school, possibly), to leave what they're doing and join you just because you're Texas. This is different, in the relationship that the said coach has with the other school's athletic director. Not that it makes it easy, it's still gunna be hard to pry him away and gun to my head I'd bet against it, but I just don't see it as "wish-casting." I guarantee you CDC doesn't see it that way. 

While I don't follow baseball nearly as much as football, I have to admit that I didn't make the connection between the two until now (CDC and Schloss both at TCU).  I get it.

[Js1 85275]

Just now, pearlandhorn said:

While I don't follow baseball nearly as much as football, I have to admit that I didn't make the connection between the two until now (CDC and Schloss both at TCU).  I get it.

Vitello was also an assistant coach at TCU when CDC was in charge over there.

He has connections with both guys. 

[troph 24781]

28 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Wish-casting is thinking you're the big bad Texas and can get anyone you want, regardless the circumstances (just winning a natty at an SEC school, possibly), to leave what they're doing and join you just because you're Texas. This is different, in the relationship that the said coach has with the other school's athletic director. Not that it makes it easy, it's still gunna be hard to pry him away and gun to my head I'd bet against it, but I just don't see it as "wish-casting." I guarantee you CDC doesn't see it that way. 

their prior employment relationship and (apparently) current friendship is the only reason it makes any sense.

[ballrific 215]

[Pescado_Rojo 19413]

22 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

I thought Schloss was damn near a done deal if he didn't go this far, but he did, and now I have a lot of pause.... but I pause on my pause because I think through back channels this might have gotten out by now, that Schloss won't entertain it. This discussion of Schloss/UT has to have reached the team. Maybe he told them he's coming back and every damn one of those kids have remained quiet. I dunno, tough to keep a lid on that many, and I'd expect something like that to leak out through at least one of them. But maybe he's throwing CDC a bone in some way? "I'm staying at aggy, bud, but I'll let my name hang around if it helps you out."

Or maybe CDC is just helping his buddy get a big raise. 

[Tex Long 4382]

44 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

If he wins it all, he'll never be able to go out to dinner in CS without being swarmed by weirdos. Austin is big enough he'd still have some anonymity to have a personal life without worrying if the whole restaurant is going to come over and serenade him with the war hymn when he's trying to have a nice meal with his wife.  

PM Sark: any restaurant in Austin; any.

 

[troph 24781]

25 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

I have been pretty skeptical of this too, but the one thing that gives me pause is that I think Schlossnagle and CDC have a type of relationship where he would quietly tell CDC to stop if he was wasting his time. No agents or middlemen would need to be involved. It would just be one friend telling another friend that the timing isn't quite right or he chose to stay.

Maybe that has happened and there is just a big smokescreen being put up, but considering I don't think Vitello is a serious candidate it really only leads to one conclusion.

I'm not convinced even if Schloss said "yes" that it's fully baked and out of the oven signed deal, I can very easily see Schloss saying I'm super interested, we should talk, I have questions, you need to have answers, but yeah I'm very much interested and that's where it is right this moment. That would take 4-5 days to iron out after Monday. Of course, that could lead to a no from Schloss and then plan B, CDC always has plan B. But it could lead to a yes.  My gut tells me this is where we are. I really don't think a contract/terms are all decided and it's done. I think it's still in process and if I was charging $9.95 I'd say, "all signs point to a CDC / Schloss conversation, both sides are interested, but these things can always take unexpected turns. What I do know is CDC is a consummate professional and he will get a guy he's 100% comfortable with. One thing is for sure, it's going to be interesting."

[troph 24781]

3 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

PM Sark: any restaurant in Austin; any.

 

football in austin is a bit different, plus sark is a flashy dresser and his wife is even more flashy (and hot). Schloss wears baggy high wasted jeans with braided belts tucked around the belt early 90's style and has that dad / granddad vibe going on. he could probably blend in just fine with some anonymity here.

[Tex Long 4382]

1 minute ago, troph said:

football in austin is a bit different, plus sark is a flashy dresser and his wife is even more flashy (and hot). Schloss wears baggy high wasted jeans with braided belts tucked around the belt early 90's style and has that dad / granddad vibe going on. he could probably blend in just fine with some anonymity here.

I don't remember Augie having any problems with it.

[IDIOTsavant 8483]

6 minutes ago, troph said:

football in austin is a bit different, plus sark is a flashy dresser and his wife is even more flashy (and hot). Schloss wears baggy high wasted jeans with braided belts tucked around the belt early 90's style and has that dad / granddad vibe going on. he could probably blend in just fine with some anonymity here.

[troph 24781]

6 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

I don't remember Augie having any problems with it.

with what, blending in? that's what we're all saying, UT baseball coach can find places he won't be harassed. Sark, not so much.

[Pescado_Rojo 19413]

9 minutes ago, troph said:

football in austin is a bit different, plus sark is a flashy dresser and his wife is even more flashy (and hot). Schloss wears baggy high wasted jeans with braided belts tucked around the belt early 90's style and has that dad / granddad vibe going on. he could probably blend in just fine with some anonymity here.

It isn't even that he'd have to blend in. Austin is just the kind of place that mostly leaves people alone in public....at least it used to be. I don't get out downtown very much anymore so that may have changed. 

[closetohumping 17434]

Schloss 

 

Edited June 21 by closetohumping

[Beau Vine 54207]

15 minutes ago, troph said:

I'm not convinced even if Schloss said "yes" that it's fully baked and out of the oven signed deal, I can very easily see Schloss saying I'm super interested, we should talk, I have questions, you need to have answers, but yeah I'm very much interested and that's where it is right this moment. That would take 4-5 days to iron out after Monday.

The best negotiators I have ever been involved with have all their ducks lined up before they make an offer; they anticipate what the target is going to want/need and include that in the original offer.  It's part of what makes the offer so attractive -- that they signal they understand what is necessary to succeed.  I think CDC is one of those guys, so I can't imagine him needing nearly a week iron things out.

[Js1 85275]

2 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

The best negotiators I have ever been involved with have all their ducks lined up before they make an offer; they anticipate what the target is going to want/need and include that in the original offer.  It's part of what makes the offer so attractive -- that they signal they understand what is necessary to succeed.  I think CDC is one of those guys, so I can't imagine him needing nearly a week iron things out.

I don't think it is.  I know it is. 

I can't think of one hire - where CDC was 100% the sole decider (so not football) - where we were aware of who plan B was or whether we had to pivot to plan B. 

CDC gets his coach.  

[Frank Drebin 5655]

If it is Schloss, and if A&M loses to Tennessee, that would be hilarious.  They would blame him being distracted (and us) for the loss.

[IDIOTsavant 8483]

8 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

If it is Schloss, and if A&M loses to Tennessee, that would be hilarious.  They would blame him being distracted (and us) for the loss.

[troph 24781]

22 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

The best negotiators I have ever been involved with have all their ducks lined up before they make an offer; they anticipate what the target is going to want/need and include that in the original offer.  It's part of what makes the offer so attractive -- that they signal they understand what is necessary to succeed.  I think CDC is one of those guys, so I can't imagine him needing nearly a week iron things out.

I'm not saying it's not done, I'm saying the two may not have had the full discussion yet, just expressed significant interest. If the work is done, great, if it hasn't been - because of the CWS - then it needs to be. fact is, exec comp deals take time. you and I don't know when it started but it takes time. an exec comp employment agreement would take time. plus the job isn't even posted, isn't there a public posting requirement?  having your ducks in a row, {INSERT DUMB AND DUMBER YEAH MEME}. logistically speaking, making a multi-million dollar hire takes a bit of time, we don't know where in the process things are right now, that's all.

[wood 11225]

30 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

It isn't even that he'd have to blend in. Austin is just the kind of place that mostly leaves people alone in public....at least it used to be. I don't get out downtown very much anymore so that may have changed. 

I'll never forget when I was at Sullivan's, watching the parade of numbnuts morons walk up to Dennis Quaid at the next table, right after his hot $100 ribeye had just been served. 

: rage :  Let a guy eat.

[wood 11225]

19 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

If it is Schloss, and if A&M loses to Tennessee, that would be hilarious.  They would blame him being distracted (and us) for the loss.

They'd also say, with a straight face, while choking back the tears, "He just lost the CWS. Do not want anyway".

[Duane Moore 5237]

48 minutes ago, troph said:

Schloss wears baggy high wasted jeans with braided belts tucked around the belt

1990’s me feels seen. 

[boilerhorn 1373]

29 minutes ago, wood said:

I'll never forget when I was at Sullivan's, watching the parade of numbnuts morons walk up to Dennis Quaid at the next table, right after his hot $100 ribeye had just been served. 

: rage :  Let a guy eat.

We started my BIL's bachelor party at Sullivan's in 2002.  The adjacent table included Chris Simms, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Shanahan, and the rest of Simms/Shanahan football crew.  No one bothered them at all, but they might be one tier of popularity below Quaid.  And it was 2002.

[jimmyjazz 45887]

1 hour ago, Tex Long said:

I don't remember Augie having any problems with it.

Exactly right.  He ate at Eddie V's and other joints all the time, and I never saw or heard of any significant harrassment.  

[jimmyjazz 45887]

1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

If it is Schloss, and if A&M loses to Tennessee, that would be hilarious.  They would blame him being distracted (and us) for the loss.

On the other hand, if they win and we steal him anyway, it would probably be the biggest dick energy move in college sports history.

[Had Enough 2078]

22 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

On the other hand, if they win and we steal him anyway, it would probably be the biggest dick energy move in college sports history.

It may be win or lose.  I mean who leaves on the brink of a title?

Then do they pull a Stoops and go with the pitching coach Lincoln Riley.

[VirginiaLonghorn 4768]

10 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

… Then do they pull a Stoops and go with the pitching coach Lincoln Riley.

Pierce will be available …

[wood 11225]

4 minutes ago, VirginiaLonghorn said:

Pierce will be available …

Stahp. My penis can only get so hard.

[runthebone 7967]

Who'd be stupid enough to harass Augie?  It's like jumping in the bear pit at the zoo.

[wood 11225]

1 minute ago, runthebone said:

Who'd be stupid enough to harass Augie?  It's like jumping in the bear pit at the zoo.

Imagine getting that postgame rant thrown at you in the middle of the crowded bar at Eddie V's.

[SurlyBDR 22769]

2 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Austin is just the kind of place that mostly leaves people alone in public....at least it used to be.

[troph 24781]

4 minutes ago, runthebone said:

Who'd be stupid enough to harass Augie?  It's like jumping in the bear pit at the zoo.

DONT YOU GET IT, THIS IS MY STEAK DINNER, AND ITS GETTING COLD. YOU WON"T CARE IN 15 MINUTES, AND I'LL BE STUCK WITH THIS COLD RIBEYE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!!!

[Cairn Horn88 8260]

Just think how Schloss would feel if he woke up 5 years from now knowing he coulda been the head baseball coach at Texas, but turned it down!

[tx 3 putt 76870]

You’ll slap dicks need to refocus here …

if he’s researched multiple coaches, who is likely on that list ?

 

he’s throwing a wide net 

Edited June 21 by tx 3 putt

[Hookem2147 21194]

Hopefully Bakich is still the floor of this thing. Even though it would be very odd his season has been over for two weeks.

[troph 24781]

1 minute ago, Hookem2147 said:

Hopefully Bakich is still the floor of this thing. Even though it would be very odd his season has been over for two weeks.

if he's hired, he was plan B based on the delay.

[Hookem2147 21194]

1 minute ago, troph said:

if he's hired, he was plan B based on the delay.

Correct, unless it comes out they delayed Pierce’s firing for contract or buyout stuff which is unlikely.

I still wouldn’t be too upset if we ended up with Bakich.

[TejasPedro 1857]

2 hours ago, troph said:

football in austin is a bit different, plus sark is a flashy dresser and his wife is even more flashy (and hot). Schloss wears baggy high wasted jeans with braided belts tucked around the belt early 90's style and has that dad / granddad vibe going on. he could probably blend in just fine with some anonymity here.

Schloss be dressing like 

Tony V looking like 

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

Schloss has aggy by their tiny nonfunctional balls. Maybe us too, but them for sure. I can only imagine what they’d offer him if he just says Texas offered it. 

[Nueces River Rat 5537]

Schloss has aggy by their tiny nonfunctional balls. Maybe us too, but them for sure. I can only imagine what they’d offer him if he just says Texas offered it. 

They do have recent history at throwing money at coaches.

[closetohumping 17434]

6 minutes ago, TejasPedro said:

Schloss be dressing like 

Tony V looking like 

Vitello is not like that guy at all

[WBT 20561]

19 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

They do have recent history at throwing money at coaches.

That's why they're poor and won't be able to match

[UTPhil2006 3805]

47 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

You’ll slap dicks need to refocus here …

if he’s researched multiple coaches, who is likely on that list ?

 

he’s throwing a wide net 

It’s in post 2 - Dusty. Baker. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19413]

1 hour ago, VirginiaLonghorn said:

Pierce will be available …

And he would hate Texas enough to do it on the cheap. 

[troph 24781]

52 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Schloss has aggy by their tiny nonfunctional balls. Maybe us too, but them for sure. I can only imagine what they’d offer him if he just says Texas offered it. 

we won't be out bid.