So this whole internet thing...lust and sloth.

[crash_davis 23040]

Interesting to see what the internet does to a reclusive society. I'm of the opinion that the internet is a net negative. Porn and discord. Everyone is angrier, especially the dudes not getting laid.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/remote-amazon-tribe-finally-connects-to-internet-only-to-wind-up-hooked-on-porn-social-media/news-story/6abfea69d9dd7e49541ef46eb61558c4

 

A reclusive tribe in the Amazon finally got hooked up to the internet — only to be torn apart by social media and porn addiction.

A reclusive tribe in the Amazon finally got hooked up to the internet, thanks to Elon Musk — only to be torn apart by social media and pornography addiction, elders complain.

Brazil’s 2000-member Marubo tribe has been left bitterly divided by the arrival of the Tesla founder’s Starlink service nine months ago, which connected the remote rainforest community along the Ituí River to the web for the first time.

“When it arrived, everyone was happy,” Tsainama Marubo, 73, told The New York Times. “But now, things have gotten worse. Young people have gotten lazy because of the internet, they’re learning the ways of the white people.”

The Marubo tribe gained access to Starlink last September. Picture: Navi Global

The Marubo are a chaste tribe, who even frown upon kissing in public — but Alfredo Marubo (all Marubo use the same last name) said he is anxious that the arrival of the service, which delivers super-fast internet to far-flung corners of the planet and has been billed as a game-changer by Mr Musk, could up-end standards of decorum.

Alfredo said many young Marubo men have been sharing porn videos in group chats and he has already observed more “aggressive sexual behaviour” in some of them.

“We’re worried young people are going to want to try it,” he said of the kinky sex acts they’ve suddenly been exposed to on screen. “Everyone is so connected that sometimes they don’t even talk to their own family.”

Starlink works by connecting antennas to 6000 low-orbiting satellites. The necessary antennas were donated to the tribe by American entrepreneur Allyson Reneau.

Initially, the internet was heralded as a positive for the remote tribe who were able to quickly contact authorities for help with emergencies, including potentially deadly snake bites.

“It’s already saved lives,” Enoque Marubo, 40, stated.

Members are also able to share educational resources with other Amazonian tribes and connect with friends and family who now live elsewhere.

But elders say people quickly became addicted to porn and social media. Picture: Navi Global

It has also opened up a world of possibilities for young Marubo, some of whom have been unable to conceptualise what lays beyond their immediate surrounds.

One teen told The Times that she now dreams of travelling of the world, while another says she aspires to become a dentist in São Paulo.

However, Enoque also complained of the significant downsides.

“It changed the routine so much that it was detrimental,” he stated. “In the village, if you don’t hunt, fish and plant, you don’t eat.”

“Some young people maintain our traditions,” TamaSay Marubo, 42, added. “Others just want to spend the whole afternoon on their phones.”

‘Young people have gotten lazy because of the internet.’

Tribespeople became so addicted that Marubo leaders, fearing that history and culture — which is passed down orally — could be lost forever, they have now limited access to the internet for two hours each morning, five hours each evening, and all day Sunday.

But parents still worry the damage may already be done.

Another father, Kâipa Marubo, said he’s anxious about his children playing violent first-person shooter games.

“I’m worried that they’re suddenly going to want to mimic them,” he stated.

Meanwhile, others say that they’ve fallen victim to internet scams given that they lack digital literacy, while many youngsters are chatting with strangers on social media.

Flora Dutra, a Brazilian activist who works with indigenous tribes, was instrumental in helping connect the Marubo to the internet.

She believes anxieties about the internet are inflated, and asserts that most tribespeople “wanted and deserved” access to the world wide web.

Still, some officials in Brazil have criticised the rollout to the remote communities, saying special cultures and customs could now be lost forever.

“This is called ethnocentrism,” Ms Dutra said of such critiques. “The white man thinking they know what’s best.”

 

[Dahobbs 17180]

This seems less about the internet and more about connecting a remote people with a very different culture to the modern world. But also, yes, the internet is the porn. 

[Brew 2917]

4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

This seems less about the internet and more about connecting a remote people with a very different culture to the modern world. But also, yes, the internet is the porn. 

It’s all about the internet and the cultural changes it is driving. Look around, it’s not an anomaly. 

[Dahobbs 17180]

11 minutes ago, Brew said:

It’s all about the internet and the cultural changes it is driving. Look around, it’s not an anomaly. 

I think this tribe would be in as much turmoil if you introduced to modern society through any other means. I don't think this specific instance is because of internet. The internet is the mechanism by which the tribe is introduced to modern society, but it isn't the cause of the friction. You'd get the same result if you airdropped them a TV and the DVD for Clueless. 

[crash_davis 23040]

3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I think this tribe would be in as much turmoil if you introduced to modern society through any other means. I don't think this specific instance is because of internet. The internet is the mechanism by which the tribe is introduced to modern society, but it isn't the cause of the friction. You'd get the same result if you airdropped them a TV and the DVD for Clueless. 

Dudes would still wack off to Alicia Silverstone.

Edited June 5 by crash_davis

[Brisketexan 103515]

2 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Dudes would still wack off to Alicia Silverstone.

Whoa whoa whoa, I KNOW we aren't shaming around here.

[crash_davis 23040]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Whoa whoa whoa, I KNOW we aren't shaming around here.

Shame? Bitch, I'm bragging!

[Laxtonto 11875]

The problem with the internet is the speed of access, not the access to new things in general. If this were a gradual exposure over time, their culture would be able to adapt as these things occur generationally. Right now they are getting 2000 years of the rest of the worlds various extremes all at once. The fact that they are centered on sex and social engineering just follows the normal human directives of base needs.

People complain about the internet, but really it isnt the internet as much as it is the dark recesses in people's minds that everyone explores and the lack of social/cultural normative structure to set the boundaries of what is acceptable or not.

[Brisketexan 103515]

2 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

People complain about the internet, but really it isnt the internet as much as it is the dark recesses in people's minds that everyone explores and the lack of social/cultural normative structure to set the boundaries of what is acceptable or not.

"Surly."  You could have just said "Surly," and we'd have gotten the point.

[Armybrat 40527]

11 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Dudes would still wack off to Alicia Silverstone.

Had to google her - she takes baths with her 9 year old son! WTF?

[crash_davis 23040]

6 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

The problem with the internet is the speed of access, not the access to new things in general. If this were a gradual exposure over time, their culture would be able to adapt as these things occur generationally. Right now they are getting 2000 years of the rest of the worlds various extremes all at once. The fact that they are centered on sex and social engineering just follows the normal human directives of base needs.

People complain about the internet, but really it isnt the internet as much as it is the dark recesses in people's minds that everyone explores and the lack of social/cultural normative structure to set the boundaries of what is acceptable or not.

At this moment, humanity has access to the any information which has ever existed. As a result, we as whole are more stupid and angrier than ever. There's no public discourse anymore. It's just yelling to further entrench our points. But the porn is great. The internet facilitated our descent into stupidity.

[Guadaloopy 10798]

47 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

I'm of the opinion that the internet is a net negative.

I mean, yeah, there are definitely some negative aspects of this whole "being connected to the entirety to human knowledge by a device that fits comfortably in your pocket", but net negative?   You've got to have a pretty narrow view to come away with that take.

[Deej 76156]

22 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I mean, yeah, there are definitely some negative aspects of this whole "being connected to the entirety to human knowledge by a device that fits comfortably in your pocket", but net negative?   You've got to have a pretty narrow view to come away with that take.

Haven't to been to TexAgs or SECrant?

Edited June 5 by Deej

[Brew 2917]

26 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I think this tribe would be in as much turmoil if you introduced to modern society through any other means. I don't think this specific instance is because of internet. The internet is the mechanism by which the tribe is introduced to modern society, but it isn't the cause of the friction. You'd get the same result if you airdropped them a TV and the DVD for Clueless. 

Not at the same speed or at the same scale. Your last sentence isn’t true at all. Comparing access on the internet to TV isn’t even a comparison at this point. Having two daughters, the change in interaction in relationships is a huge concern. The internet tries to normalize some fucked up stuff.

[ClubWhatever 12066]

White people are evil.   They made those peoples children stare at their phones.

[BabaYaga 15161]

They made a movie about this many years back called "The Gods must be crazy"

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The central theme in The Gods Must Be Crazy, and the mythological 'lesson' behind it, is that modern society comes with a resident evil that can only be vanquished by marshalling pre-modern forces.

 

[Dahobbs 17180]

28 minutes ago, Brew said:

Not at the same speed or at the same scale. Your last sentence isn’t true at all. Comparing access on the internet to TV isn’t even a comparison at this point. Having two daughters, the change in interaction in relationships is a huge concern. The internet tries to normalize some fucked up stuff.

I'm not arguing that the Internet doesn't have negative effects on our society. I'm saying this particular example isn't primarily driven by anything unique to the Internet. An isolated people with a unique culture has suddenly had modern culture thrust upon it. Regardless of how it occurred, there was always going to be upheaval. Give them footloose, clueless, cardio b, drake, playboy, or really any access modern pop culture and you'd see similar upheaval. Maybe the Internet makes it worse, but I think you're talking about a marginal difference given the cultural disparity. 

52 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Had to google her - she takes baths with her 9 year old son! WTF?

[Dennis Taylor 18567]

Marubo translates loosely to 'cloak'

[Samson's Wig 3165]

47 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

They made a movie about this many years back called "The Gods must be crazy"

 

Wasn't a Coca-Cola bottle the inciting incident in that movie? If my fuzzy memory is working, there was a sequel as well.

Edited June 5 by Samson's Wig

[BabaYaga 15161]

1 minute ago, Samson's Wig said:

Wasn't a Coca-Cola bottle the inciting incident in that movie? If my fuzzy memory is working, there was a sequel as well.

Yep.  Sub-Saharan African tribe had a coke bottle land in their camp after being thrown out the window of a bush plane.  They used it for all kinds of stuff, until they started to fight over the bottle and it created strife, so the main character went on quest to throw “the gift” off the edge of the world (massive waterfalls) and return the village back into it’s harmonious state. 

[deadshank 24644]

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

Yep.  Sub-Saharan African tribe had a coke bottle land in their camp after being thrown out the window of a bush plane.  They used it for all kinds of stuff, until they started to fight over the bottle and it created strife, so the main character went on quest to throw “the gift” off the edge of the world (massive waterfalls) and return the village back into it’s harmonious state. 

But he stopped and bought some weed from a guy behind a carwash and it went south after that.

[Brisketexan 103515]

1 minute ago, deadshank said:

But he stopped and bought some weed from a guy behind a carwash and it went south after that.

In the current timeline, he'd have fucked the Coke bottle in full view of the whole tribe, then denied doing it, and then be elected tribal chief for life.

[Gatorubet 29538]

7 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Yep.  Sub-Saharan African tribe had a coke bottle land in their camp after being thrown out the window of a bush plane.  They used it for all kinds of stuff, until they started to fight over the bottle and it created strife, so the main character went on quest to throw “the gift” off the edge of the world (massive waterfalls) and return the village back into it’s harmonious state. 

Did he ever manage to teach the world to sing?

[Dahobbs 17180]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

In the current timeline, he'd have fucked the Coke bottle in full view of the whole tribe, then denied doing it, and then be elected tribal chief for life.

I thought we weren't judging? Is this not the circle of trust?

[Brisketexan 103515]

2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I thought we weren't judging? Is this not the circle of trust?

I said he'd be elected tribal chief, not "he'd get a lot of Surly rep points."

Besides, only losers collect Surly rep points.

[Js1 82948]

All I’m getting from this is that a remote Amazon tribe has less restrictive access to porn than Texans do

[gsoda3 3192]

is that a real article or is it something AI generated?  i can never tell.

[Pato del Muerto 52035]

Wait til they stream human centipede

[Dahobbs 17180]

23 minutes ago, Js1 said:

All I’m getting from this is that a remote Amazon tribe has less restrictive access to porn than Texans do

[Brian Fantana 6615]

Itt dude that wants to melt homeless people into biomatter hand wringing over tribal people jarking off to stepsister porn

*double checks* yep this is the Internet

[troph 23995]

2 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

I mean, yeah, there are definitely some negative aspects of this whole "being connected to the entirety to human knowledge by a device that fits comfortably in your pocket", but net negative?   You've got to have a pretty narrow view to come away with that take.

It’s not net negative or net positive. I don’t think you can net the good against the bad and vice versa.

access to all human knowledge of the known universe and making child porn and child sex trafficking easy to get away with is hardly things you can net against each other.  They simply stand alone on their own as shockingly amazing and shockingly horrific. 

[wildcat09 28485]

1 minute ago, troph said:

It’s not net negative or net positive. I don’t think you can net the good against the bad and vice versa.

access to all human knowledge of the known universe and making child porn and child sex trafficking easy to get away with is hardly things you can net against each other.  They simply stand alone on their own as shockingly amazing and shockingly horrific. 

Esto. The development of the printing press helped contribute to enormous social upheavals and previously unimaginable levels of violence by people against their fellow man. It's also very arguably the basis for all human progress since it was invented until at least our current technological revolution.  There's not really any comprehensible way to weigh the benefits and the harms. 

[Rimbo 25223]

2 hours ago, Laxtonto said:

The problem with the internet is the speed of access, not the access to new things in general. If this were a gradual exposure over time, their culture would be able to adapt as these things occur generationally. Right now they are getting 2000 years of the rest of the worlds various extremes all at once. The fact that they are centered on sex and social engineering just follows the normal human directives of base needs.

People complain about the internet, but really it isnt the internet as much as it is the dark recesses in people's minds that everyone explores and the lack of social/cultural normative structure to set the boundaries of what is acceptable or not.

No, social media and porn sites really ARE doing things, beyond exposing what was already there.

[Wally Fairway 5490]

15 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

No, social media and porn sites really ARE doing things, beyond exposing what was already there.

so is WSB on Reddit, and gambol'n sites,  dating/whoring sites - and on the other side there are a ton of benefits.
just like printing magazines led to porn magazines, did they curse the printing press (yes they did - Jimmy Swaggart types)
Sure online speeds up the change, both the good and the bad

[RPM 26090]

3 hours ago, crash_davis said:

Dudes would still wack off to Alicia Silverstone.

Dudes would wack off to stone age cave drawings. What's yer point?

[MonkeyDoughnut 9974]

Wait... what?? This remote tribe that hunts and fishes to survive and speaks their own language... suddenly everyone's got smart phones and they are passing around sex clips in "group chat"... and elders worry about first person shooter games?

Cmon... this smells like a completely made up story.

[atomheartbevo 88912]

1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

tribal people jarking off to stepsister porn

Wait, do they have dishwashers and washing machines that their stepsisters are getting stuck in?  If so, what do they use for electricity? If not, how do they have any context for the porn?

[atomheartbevo 88912]

15 minutes ago, RPM said:

Dudes would wack off to stone age cave drawings. What's yer point?

[Rimbo 25223]

29 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

so is WSB on Reddit, and gambol'n sites,  dating/whoring sites - and on the other side there are a ton of benefits.
just like printing magazines led to porn magazines, did they curse the printing press (yes they did - Jimmy Swaggart types)
Sure online speeds up the change, both the good and the bad

Yeah, that's more or less what I'm pointing out -- it's not the Internet itself that's bad, and it's not that the Internet is exposing things that were already there. Social media and Internet porn are DEFINITELY doing something new, twisting minds in ways they'd never been twisted before.

[deadshank 24644]

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

porn sites really ARE doing things, beyond exposing what was already there.

Exposing you say?  

[Wulaw Horn 18918]

On 6/5/2024 at 4:36 PM, Rimbo said:

Yeah, that's more or less what I'm pointing out -- it's not the Internet itself that's bad, and it's not that the Internet is exposing things that were already there. Social media and Internet porn are DEFINITELY doing something new, twisting minds in ways they'd never been twisted before.

I remember going to Mardi Gras in college and coming back home and having the overwhelming urge to scream “show your tits” (never did) at every girl I saw for like a month. That was 3 days in NOLA and it almost broke my 19 year old brain. 
we are downloading ass to mouth porn to a bunch of 14 year olds where kissing is taboo- you are damn right it’s twisting minds- and that exists in America obviously too. 

I think I saw something where 40% of girls 18-25 reported they’ve had a sexual partner choke them during sec without asking permission. Any of yall ever do that?  It wouldn’t ever cross my mind. I guess it’s a porn thing an bam- you’ve just mainstreamed a kink that was almost nonexistent before that.  
I met my wife on a dating site. I started a podcast with a guy I met on here. I have a business partner and friend because of the internet. If I’m being honest I don’t think I have a single post law school friend I’ve made that doesn’t relate in some way to apps, boards and sites. I’m not anti internet. It’s enriched my life in many way. And yet, the pull of the cell phone is so prevalent and I can promise it makes my life, day to day, worse. I’m less involved. I’m less intentional. I’m distracted. I’m a worse father and maybe worse husband because of it. 

Edited June 8 by Wulaw Horn

[Bevo 13436]

22 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

And yet, the pull of the cell phone is so prevalent and I can promise it makes my life, day to day, worse. I’m less involved. I’m less intentional. I’m distracted. I’m a worse father and maybe worse husband because of it. 

 

But, I am now quite the expert on UT football and cheese.

[atomheartbevo 88912]

38 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I think I saw something where 40% of girls 18-25 reported they’ve had a sexual partner choke them during sec without asking permission. Any of yall ever do that?  It wouldn’t ever cross my mind.  

Hell no, that’s weird as shit. Besides, I don’t have time for that, I’m too busy looking for stepsisters and stepmoms who are stuck in the dryer or oven or under a cabinet.  

[Red Five 40274]

On 6/5/2024 at 1:08 PM, Armybrat said:

Had to google her - she takes baths with her 9 year old son! WTF?

You'd like her. You two have a lot in common. She was very famous in the mid-90s, and that's probably your age now.

[TheStoicPaisano 9786]

 

[Js1 82948]

1 hour ago, Wulaw Horn said:

sexual partner choke them during sec without asking permission.

Just means more 

[Rimbo 25223]

3 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I guess it’s a porn thing an bam- you’ve just mainstreamed a kink that was almost nonexistent before that.  

So is shaved bush. Porn stars shaved both for camera reasons and because to keep the bugs in their partners' pubes from jumping ship; it was mass exposure to porn that got everyone thinking that "this is how a crotch should look."

Think about that one and let your mind be blown.

[Blotto 23245]

On 6/5/2024 at 1:08 PM, Armybrat said:

Had to google her - she takes baths with her 9 year old son! WTF?

Is she adopting?

[Dahobbs 17180]

1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

You can always tell the really whacked out perverts on threads like this because they get so defensive about denying any of the ghastly effects of instant and extreme pornography being available at the fingertips of un-and-underdeveloped brains (and even fully developed adults).

The intelligent and honest position would be to acknowledge the harm, and yet still engage in your extreme fetishes and goon out. You know, like the tobacco and oil companies do.

Americans have a really unhealthy fear of sex. 

[atomheartbevo 88912]

12 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Is she adopting?