2024 Hurricane Season thread of DOOM

[BamaATL 16593]

Seeing conflicting reports about the dam, it's clearly breaching (spilling over the top), but it is intact, and not expected to fail.  Neither is good, but if you had to pick one, you take the former rather than the latter.  

[Nicole44 22310]

Just now, BamaATL said:

Seeing conflicting reports about the dam, it's clearly breaching (spilling over the top), but it is intact, and not expected to fail.  Neither is good, but if you had to pick one, you take the former rather than the latter.  

Yes. 🙌 

[TexasHooch 5196]

Rutherford County, NC Emergency Management
 

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LAKE LURE DAM UPDATE
9-27-24 at 1:30 PM: Water is cresting the Dam and flowing around the side walls. Structural supports have been compromised but the Dam wall is currently holding. Evacuations have occurred from the Dam to Island Creek Road. Evacuation sirens are sounding downstream of the Dam. Emergency personnel are working with the structural engineers and are going house to house to ensure all citizens have been evacuated. Evacuees are being transported temporarily to Ingles in Lake Lure. Text AlertRC to 888777 to get emergency updates.

 

[Brisketexan 106889]

2 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

 

Yeah, I don't know if it's misuse of terms or sloppy reporting, but this is what I read:

https://www.wcnc.com/article/weather/severe-weather/helene-lake-lure-dam-failure/275-ff893ea8-e29e-466a-95b4-857ea3fb8e18

 

Yeah....it's what I followed up with.  Overtopping/water going outside the dam is compromising the dam structure itself, creating a risk of structural collapse:

 

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As of 1:30 p.m., emergency workers said water is cresting the dam and flowing around the side walls. 

"Structural supports have been compromised, but the dam wall is currently holding," Rutherford County Emergency Management said. 

1 hour ago, mchookem said:

jesus 😳

and whoever thought friggin Knoxville would be at risk from hurricane impact. wow.

When we saw the later forecast tracks, and they showed the storm slowing and lingering over Tennessee, that's exactly what a bunch of folks voiced concern about.  A slow-moving tropical system is a real fucker inland sometimes (that's what the version of Harvey that caused the most devastation was - a lingering cat 1 hurricane to TS that dropped a biblical amount of rain inland from the coast).

Tropical systems kill on the coast with storm surge and wind.  They kill inland with rain.

[Buzzrock 15136]

4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Where did the eye pass relative to Athens?  I have a good buddy who lives there, haven't heard from him yet.

That’s my hometown and where my folks live, and the eye was pretty close to there. They said lots of wind and rain but no damage. 

[BillyGoatHill 4420]

1 minute ago, BamaATL said:

State of Georgia National Guard should also be able to contribute, not far from us either.  

No doubt.

I was just thinking of states that I know have created teams specific for these situations and could be pre-deployed. Texas has been around since pre Katrina (with great success). Oklahoma, Utah, NC, and another in that area (maybe TN or GA???) have followed the Texas model and started their own Helicopter Task Force SAR teams.

There are other states that have the USAF/guard component with PJs but I was just thinking of the ones that have started something like we have here with the national guard birds from SA and ATX. It's been a great model. TXTF-1 (the helicopters) has been used in IKE, Harvey, and numerous flooding events or tropical storms in the valley since being deployed at Katrina. The Colonel (good friend of mine) that was the original CO of the task force (FEMA funded) into Katrina was not too happy about having "civilian" swimmers on his aircraft at first, but they proved their worth in NO and it's been continued here since and copied throughout the US. 

[Nicole44 22310]

I just…damnit 😢

[locodos 5591]

Mother nature is a force to be reckoned with, but I do wonder about the upkeep of our civilian infrastructure.  

I know that dams are built with safety margins in mind (designed for 1,000 year storm events etc)  However it's become clear that those risk factors were calculated without climate change impacts in mind.  Lake Lure was built in the 1920's.  I sure hope since then the maintenance budgets haven't been cut or stretched like they have here in Ft Lauderdale.  Our water infrastructure explodes if too many people have taco bell.

Edited September 27 by locodos
had to add the 19 cause I'm old

[Nicole44 22310]

 

[BamaATL 16593]

3 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I just…damnit 😢

Without looking it up, my bet is this is an earthen dam, and these are very worrisome in this situation.  Worse, there is a shitload of them around.  

With the benefit of a google search, this does appear to be a concrete dam, the concern about earthen ones stands.  

Edited September 27 by BamaATL

[Nicole44 22310]

Just now, BamaATL said:

Without looking it up, my bet is this is an earthen dam, and these are very worrisome in this situation.  Worse, there is a shitload of them around.  

It’s heartbreaking. 

[locodos 5591]

3 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Without looking it up, my bet is this is an earthen dam, and these are very worrisome in this situation.  Worse, there is a shitload of them around.  

Sound off is your friend

Edited September 27 by locodos

[BamaATL 16593]

3 minutes ago, locodos said:

Sound off is your friend

That's gonna be real bad.  

For perspective, the arch is 800 feet wide, and 180 feet tall, it holds back a 76 acre lake.  

Edited September 27 by BamaATL

[Bevo&Pevo 5517]

^^^ average depth?

[BamaATL 16593]

Just now, Bevo&Pevo said:

^^^ average depth?

Average listed was 12 feet, which is sort of deceptive in just looking at the dam.  Of course that is average, and that's a shit load of water if it has indeed suffered catastrophic failure.  

[locodos 5591]

4 minutes ago, Bevo&Pevo said:

^^^ average depth?

 

2 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Average listed was 12 feet, which is sort of deceptive in just looking at the dam.  Of course that is average, and that's a shit load of water if it has indeed suffered catastrophic failure.  

Yeah, but to fail "catastrophically" it would be holding a lot more water over a larger area, with more to follow

[Bevo&Pevo 5517]

For sure gonna be a bad deal out that way.  I saw the firsthand damage Hugo did back in the day.  It fucked up shit all the way across NC.  

[Rip76 5022]

[locodos 5591]

1 minute ago, Rip76 said:

[Brisketexan 106889]

24 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

That's gonna be real bad.  

For perspective, the arch is 800 feet wide, and 180 feet tall, it holds back a 76 acre lake.  

What I saw was that the one in Wisconsin is 76 acres, the one in NC is 301 acres.  Of course, that's just surface acreage.  If it's an average of 12 feet deep (not sure where that number came from), that's still over 3600 acre feet of water coming downstream, and fast.  Bad news.

[Hate 20247]

4 minutes ago, Rip76 said:

I can pretty much guarantee this won’t hit Houston. My generator just got installed today. You’re welcome.

[F250 29200]

7 minutes ago, Rip76 said:

[BamaATL 16593]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

What I saw was that the one in Wisconsin is 76 acres, the one in NC is 301 acres.  Of course, that's just surface acreage.  If it's an average of 12 feet deep (not sure where that number came from), that's still over 3600 acre feet of water coming downstream, and fast.  Bad news.

Not sure, the acreage could be confused, apparently the dam was completed in 1930.  Worse, the town apparently is directly downstream of it.  

 

[BamaATL 16593]

Also worthy of note, and perhaps most importantly, Newport Tennessee is the hometown of one Marshall Teague, perhaps best known as the bad guy's top henchman in Roadhouse.  That alone should qualify the town on the registry of historic places.  

[Nicole44 22310]

[InkaUtexas 26869]

Lot of bridges in this area. Gorgeous drive. Canyons will flood like a mofo. Lot of flood warnings already in place down stream.

Some cleetus is going to try to surf down the Pigeon River.

[Nicole44 22310]

This poster has some good pics. 
 

 

Edited September 27 by Nicole44

[bolverk 30323]

8 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

It'd probably be more helpful if they converted those bullets for readers trying to figure out when to get the fuck out if they changed them into the actual time each event would occur.

Not a criticism of you reposting the xeet, obviously.

[Nicole44 22310]

I may just look at animal memes and gifs for a while. This is some of the most beautiful country and it’s being just decimated. At least the patients are being taken care of—the concern is those trapped in their homes. Or trying to escape the rushing water and roads being shut down. 
 

yep I’m going to watch cute animal videos now 

[Nicole44 22310]

Small blessings 🙏🏼 

back to cute animal videos. 

[Newdoc 3511]

Not sure anyone who made that dam almost a hundred years ago was thinking it would last this long. Holy smokes, we are going to need some major infrastructure revamp. 

 

And never mind but that whole area is ripe for flash flooding and mudslides. 

Edited September 27 by Newdoc
catastrophe cancelled

[InkaUtexas 26869]

8 minutes ago, bolverk said:

It'd probably be more helpful if they converted those bullets for readers trying to figure out when to get the fuck out if they changed them into the actual time each event would occur.

Not a criticism of you reposting the xeet, obviously.

Hard to say you know exactly when it will fail. Unless you are this guy.

And you see this.

And cancelled. So now you are this guy s surrounded by SEC tards.

[Aqua Buddha 14806]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah....it's what I followed up with.  Overtopping/water going outside the dam is compromising the dam structure itself, creating a risk of structural collapse:

 

When we saw the later forecast tracks, and they showed the storm slowing and lingering over Tennessee, that's exactly what a bunch of folks voiced concern about.  A slow-moving tropical system is a real fucker inland sometimes (that's what the version of Harvey that caused the most devastation was - a lingering cat 1 hurricane to TS that dropped a biblical amount of rain inland from the coast).

Tropical systems kill on the coast with storm surge and wind.  They kill inland with rain.

I said this on an ops call today.  A slow moving TS that dumps a ton of rain can be worse than a fast moving Cat 4/5.  Harvey and the one that hit NC a few years back were good examples.

[InkaUtexas 26869]

2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I said this on an ops call today.  A slow moving TS that dumps a ton of rain can be worse than a fast moving Cat 4/5.  Harvey and the one that hit NC a few years back were good examples.

Same here. Told a team to make sure they had a small zodiac with a motor on their trailer.

[BamaATL 16593]

20 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

Not sure anyone who made that dam almost a hundred years ago was thinking it would last this long. Holy smokes, we are going to need some major infrastructure revamp. 

 

And never mind but that whole area is ripe for flash flooding and mudslides. 

This is a major challenge we are facing.  Wanna be scared?  Take note of the dates you see on bridges when you drive over them.  Chances are, you drive over more from the 1950s and earlier than you think.  Many of the dams are pretty much the exact same things, built as new deal projects or post ww2 (most in the area with issues right now are old TVA projects).  Considering that most people that were alive during either event are now long dead, and yeah, that's a problem.  

It was great when we got an infrastructure deal done recently, but to call it adequate to address all our needs isn't realistic.  The truth of the matter is we are going to need to allocate significantly more to address these types of problems.  

[Herbie Hancock 7489]

This is bad bad bad.

[Blotto 24015]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

It'd probably be more helpful if they converted those bullets for readers trying to figure out when to get the fuck out if they changed them into the actual time each event would occur.

Not a criticism of you reposting the xeet, obviously.

The phrase "If the damn fully fails" should be a clue as to why they cant communicate actual times of each event.

[Deej 77813]

1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Tell me more about this French broad.

[Prepuce of Doom 21285]

1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Tell me more about this Greasy Cove. 

[Brew 3049]

7 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Where did the eye pass relative to Athens?  I have a good buddy who lives there, haven't heard from him yet.

Talked to my daughter in Athens earlier, Athens came through fine. It ended up east of them. Talked to a client in Augusta this afternoon, it got hammered. He said he has significant damage, there were several deaths reported, etc. 

[Nicole44 22310]

I guess I recommend not turning on the audio. It makes it even more upsetting. 

[Deej 77813]

Fuck the attic. Get on the roof.

[BamaATL 16593]

4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I guess I recommend not turning on the audio. It makes it even more upsetting. 

Gonna be a lot of people dead there

[Nicole44 22310]

6 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Gonna be a lot of people dead there

I know. I wish we all could help to save people right now. 😢

[Nicole44 22310]

Godspeed!! 🙏🏼

 

 

[Deej 77813]

"Boats and drones..."

 

[Brisketexan 106889]

37 minutes ago, Deej said:

Fuck the attic. Get on the roof.

Tough to get there when it would require you going outside into swift water.  Head to the attic....bring an axe.  Hopefully, the water doesn't go so high you have to hack your way out....but if it does....hack your way out.

Had friends who went that route during TS Alison.  Fortunately, the water went down before they had to hack their roof, but they were prepared and equipped to do so.

Here's hoping the Cajun Navy is ready to deploy as well, but the problem is that NOBODY needs to be floating around in swift water like that.  It's most likely not workable for watercraft.  In those situations, it's helicopters or nothing.  Get to as high a place as you can, and hold tight.

[Deej 77813]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Here's hoping the Cajun Navy is ready to deploy as well

After the game tomorrow. 

[Nicole44 22310]

Goodness me. At least a lot of resources are mobilizing. I tried listening to the scanner but it’s too much. 

[LTtxfan 49998]

22 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Godspeed!! 🙏🏼

 

Since you've been watching "cute animal videos" to laugh today...

Godspeed joke