2024 Hurricane Season thread of DOOM

[MNLonghornFUKM 8803]

Thoughts and prayers with those fighting frost in Wisconsin, Michigan and for those in the Dallas metroplex experiencing low air quality

You’ll be gone but not forgotten

[Parliament 14149]

According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 1013 watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a hurricane.

Wait.  Are they saying one hurricane is equal to a fifth of all the energy we use in a year.  Can we somehow harness that to make green energy?  (joke)

[Captainant 27497]

Just now, Parliament said:

According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 1013 watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a hurricane.

Wait.  Are they saying one hurricane is equal to a fifth of all the energy we use in a year.  Can we somehow harness that to make green energy?  (joke)

Well we could, but windmills cause cancer (don't fact check me bro)

[Biff Tannen 45512]

1 hour ago, Pam Cummings said:

Who is helped by this?

This is what everyone should ask themselves before spreading any sort of "information" about pretty much anything on the internet/social media. 

[jimmyjazz 45606]

4 hours ago, Pimphand said:

They publish storm surge inundation maps. You should evacuate if you are in the flood zone or if you live in a manufactured home. If you are not in the flood zone and live in a well built structure and flee you likely are putting yourself in harms way while potentially making it tougher for someone who needs to evacuate to do so (gaa shortages/excess traffic). Have you completely forgotten how stupid Houston was over Rita?

Most of the Tampa Bay area is under voluntary evacuation orders.  It's still likely that Milton will be a Cat 4 storm when it hits.  I don't know about you, but I wouldn't stay put for those winds.

 

 

[Js1 85152]

21 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Hurricane FAQ - NOAA/AOML

During each hurricane season, someone always asks “why don’t we destroy tropical cyclones by nuking them” or “can we use nuclear weapons to destroy a hurricane?” There always appear suggestions that one should simply nuke hurricanes to destroy the storms. Apart from the fact that this might not even alter the storm, this approach neglects the problem that the released radioactive fallout would fairly quickly move with the tradewinds to affect land areas and cause devastating environmental problems. Needless to say, this is not a good idea.

Now for a more rigorous scientific explanation of why this would not be an effective hurricane modification technique. The main difficulty with using explosives to modify hurricanes is the amount of energy required. A fully developed hurricane can release heat energy at a rate of 5 to 20×10¹³ watts and converts less than 10% of the heat into the mechanical energy of the wind. The heat release is equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes. According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 10¹³ watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a hurricane.

If we think about mechanical energy, the energy at humanity’s disposal is closer to the storm’s, but the task of focusing even half of the energy on a spot in the middle of a remote ocean would still be formidable. Brute force interference with hurricanes doesn’t seem promising.

In addition, an explosive, even a nuclear explosive, produces a shock wave, or pulse of high pressure, that propagates away from the site of the explosion somewhat faster than the speed of sound. Such an event doesn’t raise the barometric pressure after the shock has passed because barometric pressure in the atmosphere reflects the weight of the air above the ground. For normal atmospheric pressure, there are about ten metric tons (1000 kilograms per ton) of air bearing down on each square meter of surface. In the strongest hurricanes there are nine. To change a Category 5 hurricane into a Category 2 hurricane you would have to add about a half ton of air for each square meter inside the eye, or a total of a bit more than half a billion (500,000,000) tons for a 20 km radius eye. It’s difficult to envision a practical way of moving that much air around.

Attacking weak tropical waves or depressions before they have a chance to grow into hurricanes isn’t promising either. About 80 of these disturbances form every year in the Atlantic basin, but only about 5 become hurricanes in a typical year. There is no way to tell in advance which ones will develop. If the energy released in a tropical disturbance were only 10% of that released in a hurricane, it’s still a lot of power, so that the hurricane police would need to dim the whole world’s lights many times a year.

[Ogie Ogilthorpe 639]

 

Switching to video for new updates

[locodos 5345]

2 minutes ago, Ogie Ogilthorpe said:

 

Switching to video for new updates

When do the coeds show up?

[Deej 76599]

4 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Can we please stop giving tv weatherpeople new toys?

[Bevo 13532]

16 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

So what if we tossed in a few blocks of dry ice or have a bunch of planes fly counterclockwise through it?

[chainsaw 9838]

34 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Thoughts and prayers with those fighting frost in Wisconsin, Michigan and for those in the Dallas metroplex experiencing low air quality

You’ll be gone but not forgotten

I'm calling for a complete and total ban on West Virginia until we can figure out what the hell is going on

[Js1 85152]

2 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

So what if we tossed in a few blocks of dry ice or have a bunch of planes fly counterclockwise through it?

Just have Superman fly clockwise real fast through the eye to destroy the hurricane. 

Edited October 9 by Js1

[Native Horn 3494]

6 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

So what if we tossed in a few blocks of dry ice or have a bunch of planes fly counterclockwise through it?

Maybe throw in a few treadmills for lulz?

[Hornius Emeritus 12428]

 

 

 

 

[SydneyCarton 47934]

3 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

 

 

 

Certainly the guy who rented him the boat won't get his insurance paid out when he has to tell the adjustor "well, yeah, I rented it to a guy who wanted to sail it into the hurricane" right?

[chainsaw 9838]

5 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

 

 

 

[Bill Brasky 1439]

7 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

 

 

 

[markstanco 12528]

30 minutes ago, Ogie Ogilthorpe said:

 

Switching to video for new updates

I believe you said upthread you have that setup for a battery backup, but do you have an sd card in there as well?  Internet will likely fail as well. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10152]

14 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

 

 

 

Lot of back story on this guy... seems like a good guy... maybe not brightest... also has a good story on how he lost his leg

https://www.tiktok.com/@terrenceconcannon

 

[texasdago 7553]

Thankful my friend in Bradenton finally GTFO.  I suspect a lot of us were on his ass for staying there with his family.  

[Pimphand 5628]

40 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Most of the Tampa Bay area is under voluntary evacuation orders.  It's still likely that Milton will be a Cat 4 storm when it hits.  I don't know about you, but I wouldn't stay put for those winds.

RIP barrier islands south of Tampa the problem has moved demonstrably south since the intial forecasts.  Siesta key is going to be an absolute wasteland.

Personally unless I was on a barrier island or in the colored zones I would be standing pat to board up my windows and stay away from blocking people's departure who were in greater harms way.

 

[Blotto 23439]

6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

In case anybody missed it earlier.  Apparently based on the Unreal engine.

If caught in that scenario, your best bet would be to strap yourself on to Stephanie Abrams and her flotation devices. Best chance ya got

Just remember that social decorum mandates you will have to ultimately let go when the water recedes.

[Deej 76599]

11 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

Personally unless I was on a barrier island or in the colored zones I would be standing pat to board up my windows and stay away from blocking people's departure who were in greater harms way.

 

[atomheartbevo 89475]

28 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Certainly the guy who rented him the boat won't get his insurance paid out when he has to tell the adjustor "well, yeah, I rented it to a guy who wanted to sail it into the hurricane" right?

So if God told him to ride it out in the bay….but what if God thinks he’s an asshole?

[kevwun 15675]

Flood zones don't matter when there are gonna be 150mph+ winds. 

Edited October 9 by kevwun

[SydneyCarton 47934]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

So if God told him to ride it out in the bay….but what if God thinks he’s an asshole?

The same way God thinks Florida is living their lives wrong?

[Evil Bill Obrien 3217]

Better late than never but finally convinced the future in-laws to gtfo of their house that's in Sarasota Evacuation Zone C and move a bit inland to family house that's outside the surge hazard area at least, still gonna suck ass with all the wind but might at least have kept them from getting surged/flooded out. Boomers are stubborn as hell...

Edited October 9 by Evil Bill Obrien

[texasdago 7553]

Just now, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Better late than never but finally convinced the future in-laws to gtfo of their house that's in Sarasota Evacuation Zone C and move a bit inland to family house that's outside the surge hazard area at least, still gonna suck ass with all the wind but might at least have kept them from getting surged/flooded out. 

My buddy in Bradenton sent me a picture of the anticipated track overlaid with his house location.  

[0xdeadbeef 1627]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

Hurricane FAQ - NOAA/AOML

During each hurricane season, someone always asks “why don’t we destroy tropical cyclones by nuking them” or “can we use nuclear weapons to destroy a hurricane?” There always appear suggestions that one should simply nuke hurricanes to destroy the storms. Apart from the fact that this might not even alter the storm, this approach neglects the problem that the released radioactive fallout would fairly quickly move with the tradewinds to affect land areas and cause devastating environmental problems. Needless to say, this is not a good idea.

Now for a more rigorous scientific explanation of why this would not be an effective hurricane modification technique. The main difficulty with using explosives to modify hurricanes is the amount of energy required. A fully developed hurricane can release heat energy at a rate of 5 to 20×10¹³ watts and converts less than 10% of the heat into the mechanical energy of the wind. The heat release is equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes. According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 10¹³ watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a hurricane.

If we think about mechanical energy, the energy at humanity’s disposal is closer to the storm’s, but the task of focusing even half of the energy on a spot in the middle of a remote ocean would still be formidable. Brute force interference with hurricanes doesn’t seem promising.

In addition, an explosive, even a nuclear explosive, produces a shock wave, or pulse of high pressure, that propagates away from the site of the explosion somewhat faster than the speed of sound. Such an event doesn’t raise the barometric pressure after the shock has passed because barometric pressure in the atmosphere reflects the weight of the air above the ground. For normal atmospheric pressure, there are about ten metric tons (1000 kilograms per ton) of air bearing down on each square meter of surface. In the strongest hurricanes there are nine. To change a Category 5 hurricane into a Category 2 hurricane you would have to add about a half ton of air for each square meter inside the eye, or a total of a bit more than half a billion (500,000,000) tons for a 20 km radius eye. It’s difficult to envision a practical way of moving that much air around.

Attacking weak tropical waves or depressions before they have a chance to grow into hurricanes isn’t promising either. About 80 of these disturbances form every year in the Atlantic basin, but only about 5 become hurricanes in a typical year. There is no way to tell in advance which ones will develop. If the energy released in a tropical disturbance were only 10% of that released in a hurricane, it’s still a lot of power, so that the hurricane police would need to dim the whole world’s lights many times a year.

I've read that before and it feels like it was written by a really bad high school science teacher.  Everything after the first paragraph should be deleted.  You don't need to overpower something to disrupt it.  Think about stopping someone who is running. You could run head on with the same force and stop them, or you could just trip them.  The correct answer is that we don't have any clean nuclear bombs. A pure Fusion explosions would have very little fallout, but we don't have any of those.  All of our fusion bombs have fission detonators.   If we had a pure fusion bomb, the science is much more complicated and is not fully understood. 

 

 

[Evil Bill Obrien 3217]

Just now, texasdago said:

My buddy in Bradenton sent me a picture of the anticipated track overlaid with his house location.  

Have friends in Bradenton as well who sent just about the same thing, they moved further inland as well as their house in Bradenton is not one I would want to hunker down in any sort of storm... think they will be lucky if it still has a roof when they come back.

[BamaATL 16592]

1 minute ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

I've read that before and it feels like it was written by a really bad high school science teacher.  Everything after the first paragraph should be deleted.  You don't need to overpower something to disrupt it.  Think about stopping someone who is running. You could run head on with the same force and stop them, or you could just trip them.  The correct answer is that we don't have any clean nuclear bombs. A pure Fusion explosions would have very little fallout, but we don't have any of those.  All of our fusion bombs have fission detonators.   If we had a pure fusion bomb, the science is much more complicated and is not fully understood. 

 

 

I have plenty of pure fusion explosions in the bathroom, let me assure you, there is plenty of fall out.  

[Kennythetiger 9344]

1 hour ago, Parliament said:

According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 1013 watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a hurricane.

Wait.  Are they saying one hurricane is equal to a fifth of all the energy we use in a year.  Can we somehow harness that to make green energy?  (joke)

Aren’t they saying that one hurricane is five times the human energy consumption?  

[MissingInAction 24863]

15 hours ago, Zepol87 said:

This is where my office is, talks today was focused on how soon can we bring everything back online for people to get back in office business continuity is our structure. Eat my dick, god I despise these mfers 

 

Hope you are in a safe spot because that office isn't going to exist much longer.

[HiggyBaby 2520]

32 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

RIP barrier islands south of Tampa the problem has moved demonstrably south since the intial forecasts.  Siesta key is going to be an absolute wasteland.

Personally unless I was on a barrier island or in the colored zones I would be standing pat to board up my windows and stay away from blocking people's departure who were in greater harms way.

 

I think the term “African American” is preferred sir.

[Blotto 23439]

4 minutes ago, Kennythetiger said:

Aren’t they saying that one hurricane is five times the human energy consumption?  

Take it easy on the guy. he's a tOSU grad. 

[Captainant 27497]

NHC just put out a new update 20 minutes ago, they're advising that this is the last chance to finish storm preparations. Looking at 150MPH sustained winds and tornado funnels starting to form and drop in central Florida

[locodos 5345]

15 hours ago, Zepol87 said:

This is where my office is, talks today was focused on how soon can we bring everything back online for people to get back in office business continuity is our structure. Eat my dick, god I despise these mfers 

 

Well if the office is compromised, might I suggest an alternate. 2040 N Dale Mabry Hwy, Tampa, FL 33607   They have gen sets, refreshments, wifi, and fully stocked ATMs.  It's the perfect rally point for Disaster Recovery.

[texasdago 7553]

16 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Have friends in Bradenton as well who sent just about the same thing, they moved further inland as well as their house in Bradenton is not one I would want to hunker down in any sort of storm... think they will be lucky if it still has a roof when they come back.

I think they finished building theirs in 2022 or so which would tell me its up to code but, man, cat 4 or 5, I don't know what to tell you.  Family on the other side near Ponce Inlet should only have to ride out a cat 1.

[Parliament 14149]

17 minutes ago, Kennythetiger said:

Aren’t they saying that one hurricane is five times the human energy consumption?  

Well that’s even worse.  Again though.  Let’s try to harness this thing somehow.

[WBT 20443]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

Hurricane FAQ - NOAA/AOML

During each hurricane season, someone always asks “why don’t we destroy tropical cyclones by nuking them” or “can we use nuclear weapons to destroy a hurricane?” There always appear suggestions that one should simply nuke hurricanes to destroy the storms. Apart from the fact that this might not even alter the storm, this approach neglects the problem that the released radioactive fallout would fairly quickly move with the tradewinds to affect land areas and cause devastating environmental problems. Needless to say, this is not a good idea.

Now for a more rigorous scientific explanation of why this would not be an effective hurricane modification technique. The main difficulty with using explosives to modify hurricanes is the amount of energy required. A fully developed hurricane can release heat energy at a rate of 5 to 20×10¹³ watts and converts less than 10% of the heat into the mechanical energy of the wind. The heat release is equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes. According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 10¹³ watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a hurricane.

If we think about mechanical energy, the energy at humanity’s disposal is closer to the storm’s, but the task of focusing even half of the energy on a spot in the middle of a remote ocean would still be formidable. Brute force interference with hurricanes doesn’t seem promising.

In addition, an explosive, even a nuclear explosive, produces a shock wave, or pulse of high pressure, that propagates away from the site of the explosion somewhat faster than the speed of sound. Such an event doesn’t raise the barometric pressure after the shock has passed because barometric pressure in the atmosphere reflects the weight of the air above the ground. For normal atmospheric pressure, there are about ten metric tons (1000 kilograms per ton) of air bearing down on each square meter of surface. In the strongest hurricanes there are nine. To change a Category 5 hurricane into a Category 2 hurricane you would have to add about a half ton of air for each square meter inside the eye, or a total of a bit more than half a billion (500,000,000) tons for a 20 km radius eye. It’s difficult to envision a practical way of moving that much air around.

Attacking weak tropical waves or depressions before they have a chance to grow into hurricanes isn’t promising either. About 80 of these disturbances form every year in the Atlantic basin, but only about 5 become hurricanes in a typical year. There is no way to tell in advance which ones will develop. If the energy released in a tropical disturbance were only 10% of that released in a hurricane, it’s still a lot of power, so that the hurricane police would need to dim the whole world’s lights many times a year.

Nice explanation and all but I'll stick to pointing and laughing at anyone to suggest such a thing

[hookem2010 2600]

13 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Hope you are in a safe spot because that office isn't going to exist much longer.

I don't know if Las Vegas is safe, but it's not about to be 10 feet underwater.

[SimonBolivar 10949]

15 hours ago, Zepol87 said:

This is where my office is, talks today was focused on how soon can we bring everything back online for people to get back in office business continuity is our structure. Eat my dick, god I despise these mfers 

 

I didn't even know that 275 had toll road operators

[Blotto 23439]

1 minute ago, hookem2010 said:

I don't know if Las Vegas is safe, but it's not about to be 10 feet underwater.

As long as the stripper's water doesn't break, zepol should be just fine. 

[Pimphand 5628]

Dirty side kicking off tornados in S Florida already
 

 

[Brew 3049]

1 minute ago, SimonBolivar said:

I didn't even know that 275 had toll road operators

They do at the Sunshine Skyway Bridge.

[Captainant 27497]

4 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

I didn't even know that 275 had toll road operators

Well they won't for much longer

[locodos 5345]

So it begins

[Brisketexan 104746]

25 minutes ago, Kennythetiger said:

Aren’t they saying that one hurricane is five times the human energy consumption?  

Something like that.  The joules of energy involved in a hurricane are staggering.....yet we have a cascade of idiots, including elected officials, who think that "they" are manipulating the weather to create and steer these beasts.  With fucking WHAT?  We don't possess ANYTHING capable of being more than a fart in a tornado in terms of influence on something with that much energy.  "They have a 1 trillion watt laser!"  Cool....that won't do shit.  The weaponized stupidity that is now involved in how we handle weather events....man, it's something.

[Brisketexan 104746]

2 minutes ago, locodos said:

So it begins

Dear God....won't somebody think of the carnies and circus people?

[MNLonghornFUKM 8803]

Have friends in Bradenton as well who sent just about the same thing, they moved further inland as well as their house in Bradenton is not one I would want to hunker down in any sort of storm... think they will be lucky if it still has a roof when they come back.

In one of my group chats, an old tailgating buddy of mine says his inlaws in punta gorda got out and are watching it unfold from Bismarck ND…but the inlaws sister/husband are hunkering down in punta gorda because “their house is hurricane proof”

Looking at their house address it’s less than a mile from Charlotte harbor/peace river. Idiots. Then I’m like do you get sad or mad at a potential casualty like this?