Project 2025: The plan for radical republicans to take America back to the 1700s

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11 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

 

The IRS

Wont they be abolished around the same time from the same plan?  Didn’t we just have R reps lamenting and bemoaning IRS funding?

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On 7/14/2024 at 8:37 AM, Neonmoon said:

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

I matched the claim with the text of Project 2025 

To be honest, many of them were mentioned multiple times all over the place. I tried to find the most relevant one

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End no fault divorce  - could not find/got tired of looking

Complete ban on abortions without exceptions  - Page 6  

Text: Finally, conservatives should gratefully celebrate the greatest pro-family win in a generation: overturning Roe v. Wade, a decision that for five decades made a mockery of our Constitution and facilitated the deaths of tens of millions of unborn children. But the Dobbs decision is just the beginning. Conservatives in the states and in Washington, including in the next conservative Administration, should push as hard as possible to protect the unborn in every jurisdiction in America. In particular, the next conservative President should work with Congress to enact the most robust protections for the unborn that Congress will support while deploying existing federal powers to protect innocent life and vigorously complying with statutory bans on the federal funding of abortion

Ban contraceptives - Page 483-485  

Text: Restore Trump religious and moral exemptions to the contraceptive mandate (also a CMS rule). HHS should rescind, if finalized, the regulation titled “Coverage of Certain Preventive Services Under the Affordable Care Act,” proposed jointly by HHS, Treasury, and Labor.70 This rule proposes to amend Trump-era final rules regarding religious and moral exemptions and accommodations for coverage of certain preventive services under the ACA. Preventive services include contraception, and Eliminate the week-after-pill from the contraceptive mandate as a potential abortifacient. One of the emergency contraceptives covered under the HRSA preventive services guidelines is Ella (ulipristal acetate). Like its close cousin, the abortion pill mifepristone, Ella is a progesterone blocker and can prevent a recently fertilized embryo from implanting in a woman’s uterus. HRSA should eliminate this potential abortifacient from the contraceptive mandate

Additional tax breaks for corporations and the 1%  - Page 696    

Text: Intermediate Tax Reform. The Treasury should work with Congress to simplify the tax code by enacting a simple two-rate individual tax system of 15 percent and 30 percent that eliminates most deductions, credits and exclusions. The 30 percent bracket should begin at or near the Social Security wage base to ensure the combined income and payroll tax structure acts as a nearly flat tax on wage income beyond the standard deduction. The corporate income tax rate should be reduced to 18 percent. The corporate income tax is the most damaging tax in the U.S. tax system, and its primary economic burden falls on workers because capital is more mobile than labor.17 Capital gains and qualified dividends should be taxed at 15 percent. Thus, the combined corporate income tax combined with the capital gains or qualified dividends tax rate would be roughly equal to the top individual income tax rate.18 The system should allow immediate expensing for capital expenditures and index capital gains taxes for inflation. In addition, intermediate tax reform should repeal all tax increases that were passed as part of the Inflation Reduction Act,19 including the book minimum tax, the stock buyback excise tax, the coal excise tax, the reinstated Superfund tax, and excise taxes on drug manufacturers to compel them to comply with Medicare price controls. The next Administration should also push for legislation to fully repeal recently passed subsidies in the tax code, including the dozens of credits and tax breaks for green energy companies in Subtitle D of the Inflation Reduction Act.20

Higher taxes for the working class - Page 696    

The Treasury should work with Congress to simplify the tax code by enacting a simple two-rate individual tax system of 15 percent and 30 percent that eliminates most deductions, credits and exclusions

Elimination of unions and worker protections  - Page  81    

Text: Executive Order 13836, encouraging agencies to renegotiate all union collective bargaining agreements to ensure consistency with the law and respect for management rights;26 l Executive Order 13837, encouraging agencies to prevent union representatives from using official time preparing or pursuing grievances or from engaging in other union activity on government time;27 and l Executive Order 13839, encouraging agencies both to limit labor grievances on removals from service or on challenging performance appraisals and to prioritize performance over seniority when deciding who should be retained following reductions-in-force.28 Congress should also consider whether public-sector unions are appropriate in the first place. The bipartisan consensus up until the middle of the 20th century held that these unions were not compatible with constitutional government.30 After more than half a century of experience with public-sector union frustrations of good government management, it is hard to avoid reaching the same conclusion

Raise the retirement age   - could not find/got tired of looking

Cut Social Security  - Page 605

Text: Approve non-public worker organizations as UI administrators. DOL should approve, pursuant to § 303(a)(2) of the Social Security Act, nonpublic worker organizations as administrators. l Offer waivers for suitable alternatives. DOL should offer waivers from the standard requirements imposed on unemployment compensation by § 303(a) and § 303(d) of the Social Security Act to states that propose suitable alternatives

Cut Medicare  - Page 466-468  

Text:  Allow states to have a more flexible, accountable, predictable, transparent, and efficient financing mechanism to deliver medical services. This system should include a more balanced or blended match rate, block grants, aggregate caps, or per capita caps. Any financial system should be designed to encourage and incentivize innovation and the efficient delivery of health care services. Federal and state financial participation in the Medicaid program should be rational, predictable, and reasonable. It should also incentivize states to save money and improve the quality of health care. — 467 — Department of Health and Human Services l Direct dollars to beneficiaries more effectively and responsibly. The current funding structure for the Medicaid program rewards expansions, lacks transparency, and promotes financing gimmicks. CMS should: 1. End state financing loopholes. 2. Reform payments to hospitals for uncompensated care. 3. Replace the enhanced match rate with a fairer and more rational match rate. 4. Restructure basic financing and put the program on a more fiscally predictable budget (which should include reform of Disproportionate Share Hospital payments to hospitals).31 l Strengthen program integrity. Make program integrity a top priority and the responsibility of the states. To protect the taxpayers’ investment: 1. Incentivize states. An enhanced contingency fee should be paid to states that successfully increase their efforts to decrease waste, fraud, and abuse. The current system’s IT development 90/10 matching rate should be allowed for improvements in states’ current fraud and abuse and eligibility systems. Innovative programs that show a positive return on investment for both the state and federal governments should be allowed without the onerous waiver process.

End the Affordable Care Act - Page 469  

Text:  Remove barriers to direct primary care. Direct primary care (DPC) is an innovative health care delivery model in which doctors contract directly with patients for their care on a subscription basis regardless of how or where the care is provided. The DPC model is improving patient access, driving higher quality and lower cost, and strengthening the doctor– patient relationship. DPC has faced many challenges from government policymakers, including overly exuberant attempts at regulation and misclassification. Changes should clarify that DPC’s fixed fee for care does not constitute insurance in the context of health savings accounts. Separate the subsidized ACA exchange market from the nonsubsidized insurance market. The Affordable Care Act has made insurance more expensive and less competitive, and the ACA subsidy scheme simply masks these impacts. To make health insurance coverage more affordable for those who are without government subsidies, CMS should develop a plan to separate the non-subsidized insurance market — 470 — Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise from the subsidized market, giving the non-subsidized market regulatory relief from the costly ACA regulatory mandates.39

Raise prescription drug prices  - Page 465-466  

Text:  "Remove restrictions on key benefits and services, including those related to prescription drugs, hospice care, and medical savings account plans. Medicare Part D Reform. The Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) created a drug
price negotiation program in Medicare that replaced the existing private-sector negotiations in Part D with government price controls for prescription drugs. These government price controls will limit access to medications and reduce patient access to new medication. This “negotiation” program should be repealed, and reforms in Part D that will have meaningful impact for seniors should be pursued. Other reforms should
include eliminating the coverage gap in Part D, reducing the government share in the catastrophic tier, and requiring manufacturers to bear a larger share. Until the IRA is repealed, an Administration that is required to implement it must do so in away that is prudent with its authority, minimizing the harmful effects of the law’s policies and avoiding even worse unintended consequences."

Eliminate the Department of Education - Page 325    

Text: To improve educational opportunities for all Americans, the next Administration should work with Congress to pass a Department of Education Reorganization Act to reform, eliminate, or move the department’s programs and offices to appropriate agencies.

Use public, taxpayer money for private religious schools - Page 351    

Text: To restore state and local control of education and reduce the bureaucratic and compliance burden, Congress should allow states to opt out of the dozens of federal K–12 education programs authorized under the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, and instead allow states to put their share of federal funding toward any lawful education purpose under state law. This policy has been advanced over the years via a proposal known as the Academic Partnerships Lead Us to Success (APLUS) Act.

Teach Christian religious beliefs in public schools - could not find/got tired of looking

End free and discounted school lunch programs - Page 303  

Text:  Work with lawmakers to eliminate CEP. The NSLP and SBP should be directed to serve children in need, not become an entitlement for students from middle- and upper-income homes. Congress should eliminate CEP. Further, the USDA should not provide meals to students during the summer unless students are taking summer-school classes. Currently, students can get meals from schools even if they are not in summer school, which has, in effect, turned school meals into a federal catering program.93

End civil rights & DEI protections in government - Page 4,5  

Text:  The next conservative President must make the institutions of American civil society hard targets for woke culture warriors. This starts with deleting the terms sexual orientation and gender identity (“SOGI”), diversity, equity, and inclusion — 5 — Foreword (“DEI”), gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender awareness, gender-sensitive, abortion, reproductive health, reproductive rights, and any other term used to deprive Americans of their First Amendment rights out of every federal rule, agency regulation, contract, grant, regulation, and piece of legislation that exists.

Ban African American and gender studies in all levels of education - Page 342-343, 346

Text: By its very design, critical race theory has an “applied” dimension, as its founders state in their essays that define the theory. Those who subscribe to the theory believe that racism (in this case, treating individuals differently based on race) is appropriate—necessary, even—making the theory more than merely an analytical tool to describe race in public and private life. The theory disrupts America’s Founding ideals of freedom and opportunity. So, when critical race theory is used as part of school activities such as mandatory affinity groups, teacher training programs in which educators are required to confess their privilege, or school. Department of Education assignments in which students must defend the false idea that America is systemically racist, the theory is actively disrupting the values that hold communities together such as equality under the law and colorblindness. l As such, lawmakers should design legislation that prevents the theory from spreading discrimination. For K–12 systems under their jurisdiction, federal lawmakers should adopt proposals that say no individual should receive punishment or benefits based on the color of their skin. Furthermore, school officials should not require students or teachers to believe that individuals are guilty or responsible for the actions of others based on race or ethnicity. Educators should not be forced to discuss contemporary political issues. The next Administration should take particular note of how radical gender ideology is having a devastating effect on school-aged children today—especially young girls. School officials in some states are requiring teachers and other school employees to accept a minor child’s decision to assume a different “gender” while at school—without notifying parents. In California, New Jersey, and certain districts in Kansas and elsewhere, educators are prohibited from informing parents about children’s confusion over their sex if the children do not want their parents to know. Such policies allow schools to drive a wedge between parents and children. The next Administration should work with Congress to provide an example to state lawmakers by requiring K–12 districts under federal jurisdiction, including Washington, D.C., public schools, Bureau of Indian Education schools, and Department of Defense schools, with legislation stating that: No public education employee or contractor shall use a name to address a student other than the name listed on a student’s birth certificate, without the written permission of a student’s parents or guardians. No public education employee or contractor shall use a pronoun in addressing a student that is different from that student’s biological sex without the written permission of a student’s parents or guardians. No public institution may require an education employee or contractor to use a pronoun that does not match a person’s biological sex if contrary to the employee’s or contractor’s religious or moral convictions.

Ban books and curriculum about slavery  - Page 5

Text:  The noxious tenets of “critical race theory” and “gender ideology” should be excised from curricula in every public school in the country. These theories poison our children, who are being taught on the one hand to affirm that the color of their skin fundamentally determines their identity and even their moral status while on the other they are taught to deny the very creatureliness that inheres in being human and consists in accepting the givenness of our nature as men or women.

Ending climate protections  - Page 61, 257    

Text: The President should issue an executive order establishing a Senior Advisor to coordinate the policy development and implementation of relevant energy and environment policy by officials across the EOP (for example, the policy staff of the NSC, NEC, DPC, CEQ, and OSTP) and abolishing the existing Office of Domestic Climate Policy. USAID should cease its war on fossil fuels in the developing world and support the responsible management of oil and gas reserves as the quickest way to end wrenching poverty and the need for open-ended foreign aid. The next conservative Administration should rescind all climate policies from its foreign aid programs (specifically USAID’s Climate Strategy 2022–20307 ); shut down the agency’s offices, programs, and directives designed to advance the Paris Climate Agreement; and narrowly limit funding to traditional climate mitigation efforts. USAID resources are best deployed to strengthen the resilience of countries that are most vulnerable to climatic shifts. The agency should cease collaborating with and funding progressive foundations, corporations, international institutions, and NGOs that advocate on behalf of climate fanaticism

Increase Artic Drilling  - Page 530    

Text: Approve the 2020 Willow EIS, the largest pending oil and gas projection in the United States in the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska, and expand approval from three to five drilling pads.59

Deregulate big business and the oil industry - Page 705, 369,  379, 407  

 Text: "Dodd–Frank Revisions. Congress should repeal Title I, Title II, and Title VIII of the Dodd–Frank Act.52 Title I of Dodd–Frank created the Financial Stability Oversight Council, a kind of super-regulator tasked with identifying so-called systemically important financial institutions and singling them out for especially stringent regulation. The problem, of course, is that this process effectively identifies those firms regulators believe are “too big to fail.”53 Eliminate political and climate-change interference in DOE approvals of liquefied natural gas (LNG) exports. In addition, Congress should reform the Natural Gas Act to expand required approvals from
merely nations with free trade agreements to all of our allies, such as NATO countries. Eliminate energy efficiency standards for appliances. The next Administration should work with Congress to modify or repeal the law mandating energy efficiency standards. Recommit itself to the NGA’s purpose of providing the American people with access to affordable and reliable natural gas. Limit its NGA decision-making on natural gas pipeline certificates to the question of whether there is a need for the natural gas. Limit its NEPA analysis to the impacts of the actual pipeline itself, not indirect upstream and downstream effects"

Promote and expedite capital punishment  - Page 554  

Text:  Enforce the death penalty where appropriate and applicable. Capital punishment is a sensitive matter, as it should be, but the current crime wave makes deterrence vital at the federal, state, and local levels. However, providing this punishment without ever enforcing it provides justice neither for the victims’ families nor for the defendant. The next conservative Administration should therefore do everything possible to obtain finality for the 44 prisoners currently on federal death row. It should also pursue the death penalty for applicable crimes—particularly heinous crimes involving violence and sexual abuse of children—until Congress says otherwise through legislation.45

End marriage equality - Page 481  

 Text: Social science reports that assess the objective outcomes for children raised in homes aside from a heterosexual, intact marriage are clear: All other family forms involve higher levels of instability (the average length of same-sex marriages is half that of heterosexual marriages); financial stress or poverty; and poor behavioral, psychological, or educational outcomes

Condemn single mothers while promoting only "traditional families"   - Page 451    

Text: Families comprised of a married mother, father, and their children are the foundation of a well-ordered nation and healthy society. Unfortunately, family policies and programs under President Biden’s HHS are fraught with agenda items focusing on “LGBTQ+ equity,” subsidizing single-motherhood, disincentivizing work, and penalizing marriage. These policies should be repealed and replaced by policies that support the formation of stable, married, nuclear families. Working fathers are essential to the well-being and development of their children, but the United States is experiencing a crisis of fatherlessness that is ruining our children’s futures. In the overwhelming number of cases, fathers insulate children from physical and sexual abuse, financial difficulty or poverty, incarceration, teen pregnancy, poor educational outcomes, high school failure, and a host of behavioral and psychological problems. By contrast, homes with non-related “boyfriends” present are among the most dangerous place for a child to be. HHS should prioritize married father engagement in its messaging, health, and welfare policies.

Defund the FBI and Homeland Security  - Page  133, 549-551    

Text: "Our primary recommendation is that the President pursue legislation to dismantle the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Conduct an immediate, comprehensive review of all major active FBI investigations and activities and terminate any that are unlawful or contrary to the national interest.30 This is an enormous task, but it is necessary to re-earn the American people’s trust in the FBI and its work. To conduct this review, the department should detail attorney appointees with criminal, national security, or homeland security backgrounds to catalogue any questionable activities and elevate them to appropriate DOJleadership consistent with the new chain of command (discussed below). The department should also consider issuing a public report of the findings from this review as appropriate. The next conservative Administration should eliminate any offices within the FBI that it has the power to eliminate without any action from Congress.34 For example, few Americans know that the FBI maintains a core of approximately 300 attorneys within its Office of General Counsel, an office that has been involved in some of the
FBI’s most damaging recent scandals.35 These attorneys are not necessary to the functioning of the FBI in their current capacity. Legal advice should come from attorneys at the DOJ, whether those attorneys are within the
Criminal Division, the National Security Division, the Justice Management Division, or the Office of Legal Counsel. Moving legal review outside the FBI would serve as a crucial check on an agency that has recently pushed past legal boundary after legal boundary. Similarly, the FBI does not need its own Office of Congressional Affairs separate and apart from the DOJ Office of Legislative Affairs, nor does it need its own Office of Public Affairs."

Use the military to break up domestic protests   - Page  107, 129  

Text:  Establish true alignment between DOD and DHS both to improve the defense of critical U.S. infrastructure and national border integrity and to develop vital information that enables defense against foreign targeted disruptions.  The U.S. military has a long history of providing support to civil authorities, particularly in response to disasters but for other purposes as well. The Defense Department currently defines defense support of civil authorities (DSCA) as “Support provided by U.S. Federal military forces, DoD civilians, DoD contract personnel, DoD Component assets, and National Guard forces (when the Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Governors of the affected States, elects and requests to use those forces in Title 32, U.S.C., status) in response to requests for assistance from civil authorities for domestic emergencies, law enforcement support, and other domestic activities, or from qualifying entities for special events. 

Mass deportation of immigrants and incarceration in "camps"  - Page  147, 150  

Text:  "Create an authority akin to the Title 42 Public Health authority that has been used during the COVID-19 pandemic to expel illegal aliens across the border immediately when certain non health conditions are met, such as loss of operational control of the border.  Mandatory detention. Congress should eliminate ambiguous
discretionary language in Title 8 that aliens “may” be detained and clarify that aliens “shall” be detained. This language, which contrasts with other “shall detain” language in statute, creates unhelpful ambiguity and allows the executive branch to ignore the will of Congress"

End birth right citizenship - could not find/got tired of looking

Ban Muslims from entering the country  - Page  141    

Text: Prioritize national security in the Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP). ICE should end its current cozy deference to educational institutions and remove security risks from the program. This requires working with the Department of State to eliminate or significantly reduce the number of visas issued to foreign students from enemy nations.

Eliminates federal agencies like the FDA, EPA, NOAA and more  - Page  420, 664    

Text: EPA’s structure and mission should be greatly circumscribed to reflect the principles of cooperative federalism and limited government. This will require significant restructuring and streamlining of the agency to reflect the following. The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) should be dismantled and many of its functions eliminated, sent to other agencies, privatized, or placed under the control of states and territories
Continues to pack the Supreme Court, and lower courts with right-wing judges        

 

 

Some of what can't be found in the text is coming interviews and podcasts the loons have done where they added more info and context to what Project 2025 will be.

[DixonHur 11342]

On 7/13/2024 at 5:24 PM, Sawbonz said:

I can see where Dixon wants to push back when he sees something that appears to be hyperbolic or even outright propagandistic. When I see a tweet and dig a little and it’s misleading or even bullshit I get pissed off at whoever is behind it.

TBH, I wasn't even trying to push back.  I was simply looking for an accurate understanding of that's in there because I don't see a path for Biden winning, and thus assume P2025 is a forgone conclusion.

On 7/14/2024 at 6:25 PM, mchookem said:

thanks for putting in the effort to do this, seriously.

i'm sure @DixonHurappreciates it. 

I do, thanks, @Neonmoon

On 7/14/2024 at 6:03 PM, F250 said:

The cited text sounds worse than the bullet points. The bullet points don't really grasp the seriousness. Reading the actual text brings up some major WTF? thoughts as a broad spectrum of the population would be impacted.

There should be some School House Rock type videos covering all the different areas of Project 2025.

100% this.  Instead, you've got Pete Buttigieg out there asking people to "take five minutes to read through Trump’s Project 2025 online"... who the fuck can read 922 pages in 5 minutes?

Some of us need easily digestible infotainment.

As for @Judge Roybeanbag's suggestion that only members of one of the 2 establishment parties should be able to vote, all I can say is wow.  @WhatTheBuck summed it up really well, so I won't harp on it, but the reason I'm an independent is because about 30-40% of my views could be defined as conservative and 60-70% could be classified as liberal, so neither of the parties conform to belief system.  So, instead, I vote for candidates, not political parties. It's really not any more complicated than that.

Just so happens that the vast majority of those candidates have been Democrats since 2004 because the GOP took the train to crazytown.  

As mentioned, many times before, I am voting for the Dem nominee in November, whoever that is.  I'm just hoping it's not Biden so more of my "kind" will be engaged in swing states will join me in voting against Trump.  

I think what a lot of posters are misunderstanding is that independents are not a monolith.  We don't have a party affiliation, or even a shared identity.  And so, it's not like we have a convention where we discuss who to vote for... we are literally just a people who are not members of either the DNC or GOP... that's it.  Thus, my concern is that many have looked at the two options and have basically given up.  

Yes, I can hear some of you rolling your eyes at the idea that some folks don't see Trump and the GQP as the existential threat that we do, and that's fair.  But I doubt most people, even Dems, are all that informed.  Voters could just as easily say, "we heard all this when Trump was running in 2016" and we survived.

So, it's not that I fear that independent, and some Dems, will vote for Trump... my concern is that many will be unmotivated and just stay home. 

I suppose we'll all find out soon enough.

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[gmr548 16584]

There's obviously a lot of Christofascist bullshit in that document but this one managed to stand out:

"the average length of same-sex marriages is half that of heterosexual marriages"

Do we think there might be some explanation for that other than inherently "higher levels of instability"?

I mean, these people are insulting the intelligence of the American public by having their manifesto publicly accessible, and they are on their way to being proven right for doing so.

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On 7/14/2024 at 6:49 PM, YGIFS said:

The no-fault divorce one is still so baffling to me.  A significant portion of the divorces that occur between a politician or police officer spouse are declared "no fault" so the man can save face because he's in fact been abusive or cheating on her or substance abuse, or some combo.  They make a deal to just make it look like "we've grown apart" so the kids and extended family don't read about the real truth in the news.  Now, the actual proof is going to come out.  Family Law Courts will have to be on 24-hour watch and the wait times will be measured in decades, or longer.  I 've also questions about women not working and staying home with the kids, but I'll suppose we flesh that out later on.  

Bottom line---there's a bunch of shit on their list they didn't think through that will hurt them.  Not as much as it will hurt non-psychotic extremists, but there is some shit that has a fuck-ton of unintended consequences for them too, that they merely inserted for political points.  From drug prices to white trash couples having their kids on school lunch programs in rural America, they're gonna fuck over a massive chunk of their base.  Then we get to foreign policy, or lack thereof. 

I think most of them hadn’t thought through the unintended consequences of overturning Roe even though they had had 50 years to contemplate it. 

[WhatTheBuck 28791]

47 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

There's obviously a lot of Christofascist bullshit in that document but this one managed to stand out:

"the average length of same-sex marriages is half that of heterosexual marriages"

Do we think there might be some explanation for that other than inherently "higher levels of instability"?

I mean, these people are insulting the intelligence of the American public by having their manifesto publicly accessible, and they are on their way to being proven right for doing so.

I saw that. It’s in the section about a “Healthy Marriage and Relationship Education (HMRE) Program.” There’s a lot of creepy talk about protecting and prioritizing “faith-based” programs. They don’t provide any source for their stated statistics and my inclination is to doubt whatever numbers they’re listing and suspect that they’re most likely rooted in bias. 

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28 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I saw that. It’s in the section about a “Healthy Marriage and Relationship Education (HMRE) Program.” There’s a lot of creepy talk about protecting and prioritizing “faith-based” programs. They don’t provide any source for their stated statistics and my inclination is to doubt whatever numbers they’re listing and suspect that they’re most likely rooted in bias. 

So, if someone feels like divorce they are supposed to go to their pastor to be talked out of it by threat of eternal damnation. 

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[gmr548 16584]

Just now, tx 3 putt said:

 

So who else read Tom Herman?

[F250 28788]

50 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

So who else read Tom Herman?

[elfenix 34328]

"acting"

[DigglerontheHoof 21205]

14 hours ago, US183 said:

Go fuck yourself, you fascist piece of shit.  Fucking cunt. 

[wildcat09 29355]

14 hours ago, US183 said:

I know you think you’ll be safe, but you should know that fascist leaders tend to get all of their supporters killed. 

[jimmyjazz 45991]

55 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I know you think you’ll be safe, but you should know that fascist leaders tend to get all of their supporters killed. 

Jeez, don't tell him.

[C-Man 27235]

13 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I saw that. It’s in the section about a “Healthy Marriage and Relationship Education (HMRE) Program.” There’s a lot of creepy talk about protecting and prioritizing “faith-based” programs. They don’t provide any source for their stated statistics and my inclination is to doubt whatever numbers they’re listing and suspect that they’re most likely rooted in bias. 

I'm sure their "stats" take into account that same-sex marriage only became legal in large parts of the US less than 10 years ago.

[jimmyjazz 45991]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

I'm sure their "stats" take into account that same-sex marriage only became legal in large parts of the US less than 10 years ago.

It's such an obvious ploy.  Why limit the data to all marriages since same-sex became legal?  That wouldn't sell the myth!

[Macanudo 12994]

An enterprising lefty should dig up the stats on how many same sex partners are in jail for abusing/killing their spouses vs. "Trad" marriages.  

Let's get real.  But trad fuckers don't want that put there.

[DixonHur 11342]

2 hours ago, C-Man said:

I'm sure their "stats" take into account that same-sex marriage only became legal in large parts of the US less than 10 years ago.

For anyone interested, the page number for this silliness is 481.  But of course, the "study" is not cited.

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On 7/18/2024 at 8:40 AM, gmr548 said:

There's obviously a lot of Christofascist bullshit in that document but this one managed to stand out:

"the average length of same-sex marriages is half that of heterosexual marriages"

Do we think there might be some explanation for that other than inherently "higher levels of instability"?

I mean, these people are insulting the intelligence of the American public by having their manifesto publicly accessible, and they are on their way to being proven right for doing so.

it is true that the longest same-sex marriage in Texas is only 9 years.  That proves some shit...

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

On 7/17/2024 at 9:12 PM, tx 3 putt said:

 

On Jan 20th, Trump will sign executive orders for many if not all Project 2025 initiatives.

what might slow them down is the recent SCOTUS ruling (overturning chevron)  moving power from the Admin to the Legislative/Judicial branches. Sane people might be able to slow down project 2025 by suing that their inevitable agency decisions are not theirs to make.

[jimmyjazz 45991]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

what might slow them down is the recent SCOTUS ruling (overturning chevron)  moving power from the Admin to the Legislative/Judicial branches. Sane people might be able to slow down project 2025 by suing that their inevitable agency decisions are not theirs to make.

Good one.

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7 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

But he’s never heard of it or met Tom! 

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On 7/17/2024 at 6:40 PM, gmr548 said:

There's obviously a lot of Christofascist bullshit in that document but this one managed to stand out:

"the average length of same-sex marriages is half that of heterosexual marriages"

Do we think there might be some explanation for that other than inherently "higher levels of instability"?

I mean, these people are insulting the intelligence of the American public by having their manifesto publicly accessible, and they are on their way to being proven right for doing so.

First I question its veracity. I could stop there. But as soon as you strip away the latent morality and judgment you can evaluate a number of factors.
 

First and foremost, gay marriage is in its infancy as an institution. There’s little research, therapists helping same sex couples usually glean from straight marriage research to aid. There is obviously tons of overlap and even within straight couples there are differences. I don’t know how gay men fight and resolve conflict but I can say two women conflict has its differences to straight couples. That’s a shallow attempt to highlight the issue but it’s subtle and meaningful at the same time. 
 

second, there is a ton of outcast pressure on LGBTQ folks already so mental health is always an issue. This is Christians acting the oppressors then saying see, they are fucked up when a marriage fails with no self awareness to realize they and how they treat their queer kids is a major factor in queer relationship instability (and their straight kids are not immune either). I don’t know a lot of folks who escape the family of origin and societal pressure unscathed that means there are lots of hurt queer folk and hurt people hurt people. It’s getting better.

Third, on the societal pressure front most LGBTQ folk resist normative demands to some extent so that means while little girls are taught to dream of their wedding day, many queer folk have outright scoffed at that. And that dynamic goes on and on across hetero normative societal values - monogamy being one of them, sex positivity, gender binary being another, going to church can be added to the list and on and on. Obviously some straight people scoff at some of this as well, but it’s more extreme in queer culture. So yeah the value of the institution itself may not be shared the same way.  I know very few gay people who see marriage as a religious sacrament and covenant. They see it as a legal agreement with tremendous importance but we aren’t moving on in the next life as queen and queen of our own universe. There’s nothing inherently magical or eternal about a marriage promise. 
 

so of course there could be different outcomes. Guess what, I’ll bet you $100 (big spender here) that lesbian couples will outlast everyone else and straight couples will fall in the middle and gay men the least all for mostly biological and psychological reasons that have nothing to do with morality. When you add kids I would think longevity increases across all categories of relationships as would be expected - and I find nothing judgmental about these potential differences. Nothing.  

[Longhorn_Fan68 33876]

9 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

I would have reported a suspicious package on board.

[BamaATL 16593]

41 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I would have reported a suspicious package on board.

It is after all, our duty to report terrorist activity.  

[Underdog 28737]

See something, say something.

[YGIFS 19452]

11 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

When de-planing, wish the guy, "Hey, good luck with your P-transition."

-the hell you'd say to me ?

"Your transition procedure.  Seems long and complicated, but if that's who you truly are inside..." 

[troph 24879]

37 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

When de-planing, wish the guy, "Hey, good luck with your P-transition."

-the hell you'd say to me ?

"Your transition procedure.  Seems long and complicated, but if that's who you truly are inside..." 

I'd definitely say that to that Gaetz fucker if I sat next to him on a plane. you know matt, can I call you mattie? your eyebrows are on point true but really just a little too on point if you know what I mean.

Edited July 20 by troph

[tx 3 putt 77144]

 

[Biff Tannen 45692]

4 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Hammer them with this.  That's all Harris has to do. 

[Jive Turkey 12623]

Project 2025 is hitting at the local level. Quite possibly the most racist ad of the cycle.  
 

 

[Dnaguy 12002]

1 hour ago, Jive Turkey said:

Project 2025 is hitting at the local level. Quite possibly the most racist ad of the cycle.  
 

 

This is the real deal.

None of that high fructose corn syrup racism you see now-a-days.

This shit’s the cane syrup Mexican Coke style racism.

[The Royal We 3072]

 

Le Batard talked about it on his show today, which is great because it likely hits a large audience that has not heard much about P2025 yet. Stick around until the very end for some lulz.

[NWBuck 8571]

Nevermind, folks... false alarm:

[troph 24879]

3 hours ago, NWBuck said:

Nevermind, folks... false alarm:

Comments gotta be gold on that one.

[Fudge Nuggets 19208]

On 7/12/2024 at 1:07 PM, Leeroy Jenkins said:

 

I saw a podcast that brought up Schedule F protections, and agreed with the speaker that might be the most frightening of all.  It basically makes every federal worker a political appointment so the President can fire everyone and install all lackeys at all levels.  As it currently stands, "only" about 4,000 fall in the category of political appointees.

[aggie08 21505]

3 hours ago, NWBuck said:

Nevermind, folks... false alarm:

Ugh, guys, stop using our own words and actions against us!

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2678]

12 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I saw a podcast that brought up Schedule F protections, and agreed with the speaker that might be the most frightening of all.  It basically makes every federal worker a political appointment so the President can fire everyone and install all lackeys at all levels.  As it currently stands, "only" about 4,000 fall in the category of political appointees.

It never seems to be mentioned that Trump already did the Schedule F thing in October 2020: 

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-creating-schedule-f-excepted-service/

obviously, Biden un-did it.

[Biff Tannen 45692]

31 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

It never seems to be mentioned that Trump already did the Schedule F thing in October 2020: 

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-creating-schedule-f-excepted-service/

obviously, Biden un-did it.

Yep, that is how we ended up with the one completely unqualified guy as like secretary of defense or something for the last few weeks before Jan 6. Fucking insane. 

[TwiceHorn 31509]

37 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yep, that is how we ended up with the one completely unqualified guy as like secretary of defense or something for the last few weeks before Jan 6. Fucking insane. 

Well, SecDef is a classic political appointee and always has been.  This is the equivalent of replacing all the Captains, Majors, Lieutenants, and Lieutenant Commanders, and Sergeants and Petty Officers with political hacks.  Commissars, if you will.

This is, I'm sure, the part of P2025 that appeals most to Trump, not for political expedience, but because he loves him some bootlickers.

Edited July 24 by TwiceHorn

[WhatTheBuck 28791]

12 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yep, that is how we ended up with the one completely unqualified guy as like secretary of defense or something for the last few weeks before Jan 6. Fucking insane. 

Christopher Miller. The SecDef Trump installed after losing the election. He’s also one of the people working on Project 2025. 

Edited July 25 by WhatTheBuck

[Jiggy-Z 3433]

20 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Christopher Miller. The SecDef Trump installed after losing the election. He’s also one of the people working on Project 2025. 

...and thus completes the great circle of crap.

[Pancho 44860]

Hmmm

 

[YGIFS 19452]

We’re not gonna tell you everything that’s coming.  Just this 990 page manifest which contains literally every detail of what’s coming.  
 

He sounds like Goebbels at the end “sure things look a little rough right now with all of our weapons systems totally depleted.  But alas, we have this secret super-weapon that nobody knows is coming in two weeks!”

[Biff Tannen 45692]

32 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Hmmm

 

So is this the Lindell version or do we think they really are going to go full Kristallnacht?  Would be a big FAFO moment for them I'm thinking.

[A-Tex Devil 2451]

18 hours ago, Pancho said:

Hmmm

 

I am convinced this guy is a modern day Oswald Mosely.  And I am also pretty sure he'd take that as a complement.