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I will vote whoever is the Dem candidate but otherwise I am honestly on the verge of giving up.  I have spent my entire adult life watching the GQP enact progressively worse and more  horrible policie

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Can someone point me to a non-religious version of the Bible?

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So their plan is to say that miscarriages caused are the same as abortion and are therefore murder of unborn children. Well the miscarriage rate is roughly 20% as a conservative estimate (many pregnancies miscarry so early that the woman doesn't even realize she was pregnant). About 140 million babies are born each year. 

That means that God murders 35 million unborn children every year. Seems pretty cruel. 

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So their plan is to say that miscarriages caused are the same as abortion and are therefore murder of unborn children. Well the miscarriage rate is roughly 20% as a conservative estimate (many pregnancies miscarry so early that the woman doesn't even realize she was pregnant). About 140 million babies are born each year. 

That means that God murders 35 million unborn children every year. Seems pretty cruel. 

This is one of those things they'll use to lock up black and brown women, while white women will never have to worry.

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https://www.propublica.org/article/project-2025-trump-campaign-heritage-foundation-paul-dans

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This week, as Project 2025 faced denunciations from the Trump campaign, the project’s director, Paul Dans, stepped down from his role. Trump’s campaign co-managers, Susie Wiles and Chris LaCivita, said in a statement that “reports of Project 2025’s demise would be greatly welcomed, and should serve as notice to anyone or any group trying to misrepresent their influence with President Trump and his campaign — it will not end well for you.” For Dans, it was a sudden end — or at least a pause — in a remarkable ascent from obscurity.

But then again, his resignation was at least partly symbolic: The work of Project 2025 is largely done. Under Dans, the project has assembled a database of more than 10,000 names — job candidates vetted for loyalty to Trump’s cause — who will be ready to deploy into federal agencies should he win the 2024 election. Project 2025 has delivered a toolkit, ready for use, to create a second Trump administration that would be decidedly more MAGA than the first.

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19 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

So their plan is to say that miscarriages caused are the same as abortion and are therefore murder of unborn children. Well the miscarriage rate is roughly 20% as a conservative estimate (many pregnancies miscarry so early that the woman doesn't even realize she was pregnant). About 140 million babies are born each year. 

That means that God murders 35 million unborn children every year. Seems pretty cruel. 

Humans made God in our own image. 

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Then why won’t Trump simply own something that is tailor made for him?

I honestly don’t think he gives a shit. He’s making a trade simply to get elected and to get the power, and if he’s gotta go hard to the paint as a christofascist so be it, he still gets to be a fascist.

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Then why won’t Trump simply own something that is tailor made for him?

He's going to own. He's just not going to give any power sharing agreement with Dans or Heritage. And he'll discount it now becuase it's politically expedient. But make no mistake, if he's elected, he'll absolutely fire 10k people immediately and replace them with loyalists becuase it will increase his own power. 

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10 hours ago, Satchel said:

Then why won’t Trump simply own something that is tailor made for him?

You can’t be serious. That’s like asking why he wouldn’t admit to having secret negotiations with Russia to build a Trump tower in Moscow during the 2016 campaign. 

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On 8/1/2024 at 9:53 PM, Satchel said:

Then why won’t Trump simply own something that is tailor made for him?

On 8/2/2024 at 7:44 AM, troph said:

I honestly don’t think he gives a shit. He’s making a trade simply to get elected and to get the power, and if he’s gotta go hard to the paint as a christofascist so be it, he still gets to be a fascist.

On 8/4/2024 at 9:45 PM, TwiceHorn said:

One of the more truthy pieces from a mainstreamish media outlet (disregard the link publisher, it's BloombergI have seen:  https://www.deccanherald.com/world/donald-trump-and-project-2025-are-now-inseparable-3136585

About Trump and. 2025

 

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About Trump and. 2025

 

I still don’t think he gives a shit, means to an end. But yeah Harris needs to keep pounding this shit it to the American Psyche, fuck this piece of shit and his affair of convenience with the christofascists. 

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On 8/7/2024 at 11:30 PM, troph said:

I still don’t think he gives a shit, means to an end. But yeah Harris needs to keep pounding this shit it to the American Psyche, fuck this piece of shit and his affair of convenience with the christofascists. 

One thing this underscores, though.  Trump doesn't much have to give a shit.  It's the civil servants that make any administration or government "go."  If the civil servants are chosen to be political hacks (something I'm sure Trump loves because loyalty), then the government will "go" in the direction of the hacks and their masters.

In a "normal" presidency, the identity of the President doesn't make all that much difference:  the politically appointed cabinet and agency heads will set an agenda that roughly corresponds with the candidate/party's platform and that agenda will be partially implemented by civil servants that feel constrained against raw politicism.

Replace the civil servants with political hacks and you're gonna get raw politicization thunderdome.

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On 8/1/2024 at 9:53 PM, Satchel said:

Then why won’t Trump simply own something that is tailor made for him?

I mentioned in another thread that it's impossible for him to get away from it - his name is all over that document where they mention "Trump's policies."

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When Trump has his "press conferences" he needs to be hammered with the names of people that he claims not to know but are in charge of this. 

In fact, play to Trump's ego. Tell him that Vought is claiming that Vought will dictate Trump's policies. That will set Trump off, and potentially move away from their horrible platform. On the off chance that Trump wins.

There is no doubt that people are putting together many exec orders ready for Trump to sign. Most likely without Trump having a clue what is involved and definitely not knowing the impact. 

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14 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

When Trump has his "press conferences" he needs to be hammered with the names of people that he claims not to know but are in charge of this. 

In fact, play to Trump's ego. Tell him that Vought is claiming that Vought will dictate Trump's policies. That will set Trump off, and potentially move away from their horrible platform. On the off chance that Trump wins.

There is no doubt that people are putting together many exec orders ready for Trump to sign. Most likely without Trump having a clue what is involved and definitely not knowing the impact. 

What are you talking about? Trump knows EXACTLY what is going on. If you are paying attention he has been echoing the 2025 agenda for awhile now. Him talking about Mass Deportations is a project 2025 agenda. Same as was killing Roe. Him telling Christians they won't have to vote again is too. Press can easily tie him to it by simply posting pieces and video of Trump talking about the same points. Then name the people working on it and what they did in the Trump Admin like JD Vance. More people should be talking about this as this IS a fight for democracy.

 

 

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What are you talking about? Trump knows EXACTLY what is going on. If you are paying attention he has been echoing the 2025 agenda for awhile now. Him talking about Mass Deportations is a project 2025 agenda. Same as was killing Roe. Him telling Christians they won't have to vote again is too. Press can easily tie him to it by simply posting pieces and video of Trump talking about the same points. Then name the people working on it and what they did in the Trump Admin like JD Vance. More people should be talking about this as this IS a fight for democracy.

 

 

I think it's actually a bit of both.  He knows the big points that you mentioned, but there's some nefarious shit buried deep in those 900 pages that are the pipe dreams of the Christo-fascists that they know they can get him to rubber stamp.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2024/08/16/project-2025-dc-duffel-bag/

 

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Author Malcolm Harris opened the door of his Capitol Hill home on Tuesday morning to find a D.C. police officer on his stoop.

The officer had come to find out what Harris knew about a missing “Project 2025” duffel bag from the conservative Heritage Foundation think tank — and the documents that had been inside. But Harris wasn’t interested in chatting.

“I don’t talk to the police, so we didn’t have a very long conversation,” Harris told The Washington Post.

 

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For the Heritage Foundation, it’s hard to imagine a worse person to come across a bag full of their internal files than Harris. A Marxist journalist with a sense of humor and three books critiquing capitalism to his name, including the 2023 national bestseller “Palo Alto,” Harris has dedicated his life to the opposite of Heritage’s conservative politics.

In a city built on politics, Washingtonians of wildly different political persuasions typically manage to work, live and forget their duffel bags around one another without the situation escalating to a police investigation. Then again …

 

 

 

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In Harris’s telling, he came into possession of the duffel bag on the evening of Aug. 9, as he walked to pick up a cheesecake. At the corner of Sixth and E Streets NE, Harris passed a low-set ledge where he says people often leave free, unwanted items. (As Harris reenacted his discovery of the bag at the corner a week later, someone was giving away a succulent.)

“People in Capitol Hill just leave a bunch of really nice stuff out all the time,” said Harris, who once picked up a coffee machine on the same block. “This is, in fact, not the nicest duffel bag I have found outside for free on Capitol Hill.”

 

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As he walked up to the bag, Harris recalled later, he couldn’t believe what he was seeing. The blue-and-white, preppy-style banker bag carried branding for Project 2025, the sprawling Heritage project that has become a political third-rail for Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.

Project 2025, a wide-ranging blueprint for a second Trump presidency created by many people with close ties to the ex-president, has become a weight around Republicans’ necks and a sort of byword for Democrats’ concerns about an extremist future in a second Trump administration. Amid a barrage of criticism of its goals — which include the elimination of the Department of Education, mass deportations and new restrictions on abortion — Trump distanced himself from the program in July. That same month, Project 2025’s leader left Heritage, and the group ceased new policy work.

For liberals of an ironic bent, the duffel bag could make the ultimate trophy. On Monday, Harris posted a picture of the bag on X, saying he might give the documents inside to a journalist.

The files and other items inside weren’t hugely revelatory. The bag and most of its contents appeared to be part of a Heritage internship program, including a document with pictures and lengthy biographies of its interns. Still, the fact that Harris discovered the documents on the streets of Washington could be a minor embarrassment for the think tank, at a time when both Heritage and Project 2025 are under intense scrutiny.

“It’s not like I found secret internal documents about Project 2025,” Harris said. “It’s not that crazy; it’s like, ‘Whoops, they left this out.’”

Judging from the reactions Harris received on X, though, the real prize appeared to be the bag itself. Harris said he soon received more than a dozen direct messages from interested buyers offering hundreds of dollars for the bag — “I need that bag! Let me buy that bag!” Harris initially considered auctioning off the bag, without its contents, to raise money for charity.

He figured the bag could make for a wry conversation piece.

“Just showing people when they come by your crib, like, ‘Look what I got,’” Harris said.

But Harris’s plans for the bag would soon run into D.C. police. After seeing Harris’s tweets, a woman who describes herself on LinkedIn as a Project 2025 staffer called the police and filed a complaint for theft, according to a police report obtained by The Post.

In the account she gave to police, the bag disappeared in the late afternoon of Friday, Aug. 9, when she and another Heritage staffer “left a bag in a parking space while getting into their car,” in a public area a block from Heritage’s headquarters on the 200 block of Massachusetts Avenue NE. When they returned to get it 30 minutes later, the bag was gone.

Harris and the Heritage staffer who complained to police differ on when the bag was taken. In the police report, the Heritage staffer claims the bag was taken from the parking spot a little more than an hour earlier, between 5 and 5:30 p.m. Harris provided The Post with map app data that demonstrates he was at the corner several blocks away where he claimed to have found it around 6:45 p.m. that day.

One or both of their accounts may be wrong, but the time difference also raises the possibility that an unknown third party took the bag from the parking space, carried it a few blocks, was perhaps unimpressed with the book about Israel and the Altoids tin inside, and dropped it on the corner, where Harris later found it.

The police report makes no mention of surveillance videos or witnesses who saw Harris take the bag from the parking spot.

The officer who went to Harris’s house claims in the police report that the author “spontaneously admitted that he was in possession of the bag and that he would not return it.” Harris insists he didn’t tell the officer he had the bag, saying only that he refused to give the officer his identification. Harris said he would never speak to the police without a lawyer, since both his wife and sister are criminal defense attorneys.

“If I talk to the police without a lawyer, I’m in way more trouble with my family,” Harris said.

On Thursday morning, after learning more about the ongoing police investigation, Harris decided to end the dispute himself. With his wife and 7-month-old baby (who was dressed in a police-abolition onesie), Harris walked to Heritage’s office to return the bag.

At no point in the process, Harris said, had anyone from Heritage just emailed him to ask for the bag back, but he was eager to be rid of it.

As Harris waited in the lobby, Project 2025 was dealing with still another embarrassment, this time potentially far more serious. Earlier that morning, a British journalism nonprofit released footage of Project 2025 author Russell Vought boasting about the program’s Trump ties. The journalists gained access to Vought by duping him with several false identities and websites.

Inside Heritage’s lobby, Harris and a man who identified himself as Heritage’s head of security sorted through the items in the bag, so the man could give Harris an itemized receipt that he hoped would put the police case to rest. The security chief said he didn’t need to verify the bag’s contents, given that the internship documents inside were not exactly “the keys to the kingdom.”

In a statement to The Post, a Heritage spokesperson said they were glad the bag had been turned over.

“We are pleased that our intern’s property was returned and hope that in the future our neighbors will exercise basic decency so that the police need not be involved,” the statement said.

After once more demanding an apology from Heritage for sending “an armed officer to my home,” Harris headed for the door, then posed for a final selfie in front of Heritage’s headquarters. The troublesome bag was gone.

“It’s not a bad bag,” Harris said. “But I guess it’s historically interesting.”

 

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/08/project-2025-backfired-trump/679509/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-atlantic-am&utm_term=The Atlantic AM

 

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“Let me tell you what our Project 2025 is,” President Joe Biden said at a rally in Maryland last Thursday. “Beat the hell out of them.”

It was a funny line, and against the odds, it might also contain some truth: In a bizarre turn of events, Democrats have managed to make a nearly 1,000-page compendium of detailed policy ideas into one of Republican nominee Donald Trump’s greatest liabilities in the 2024 presidential campaign.

 

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Project 2025 was an exercise, convened by the conservative Heritage Foundation, that sought to set a policy agenda for the next Republican administration. Its final product was a lengthy blueprint called Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise, though I’ll refer to all of it as Project 2025 for simplicity. When it was completed, Trump had not yet clinched the GOP nomination, which is to say it was not designed solely with him in mind. But many of the people involved are expected to take leading administration roles if Trump wins.

 

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Certainly Project 2025 contains some outré ideas, but nothing about the exercise itself is unusual. Think tanks on both sides routinely produce various blueprints in an effort to further their priorities and aid presidents with whom they’re allied. The documents seldom make much splash, partly because nitty-gritty policy ideas are not usually what determines elections. Party platforms tend to be short and a little vague on details. They are mostly ignored.

Measured against the typical obscurity, Project 2025 has been a wild success. Not since the Republican House leader Newt Gingrich spearheaded the Contract With America in 1994 has a campaign policy document attracted so much attention. The problem is that many voters seem to hate Project 2025.

 

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In a poll that Heritage itself conducted from July 30 to August 2, almost two-thirds of voters said they’d heard of Project 2025. (The numbers are even higher in key swing states including Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Georgia.) Only 14 percent supported Project 2025, and 47 percent opposed it—again with higher numbers in Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. Democrats’ efforts to keep talking about Project 2025 suggest that their data, too, indicate it’s a big winner for them.

The questions are why Project 2025 has become such a big issue, and why now? The document was published in April 2023 and drew some attention at the time and afterward. But only in the past seven weeks has it become a major campaign issue.

Many of its top-line ideas are very unpopular. It would dissolve the Education Department and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, slash Medicare and Medicaid, ban pornography, establish federal abortion restrictions, repeal some child-labor protections, and enable the president to lay off tens of thousands of federal career workers and replace them with political appointees.

Some of these are long-standing conservative priorities. Others, like the dismantling of the federal workforce, are newer and more radical. Doing so would entail an epochal shift in the way the federal government works and what it does, and that’s what attracted some of the most attention in 2023, including a detailed report from my colleague Russell Berman. Then interest faded; a shake-up of the government would affect the general public deeply, but not in ways that are immediately apparent or motivate a lot of voters.

In June, some Democrats, especially those in Congress, began talking more about Project 2025, attracting some news attention. Then, on June 30, the actor Taraji P. Henson encouraged viewers of the BET Awards to learn the name. “The Project 2025 plan is not a game. Look it up,” she said. Two days later, the Heritage Foundation’s head, Kevin Roberts, appeared on Steve Bannon’s podcast, where he celebrated the Supreme Court’s decision granting Trump substantial immunity for actions taken as president. “We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be,” Roberts said.

All of this thrust Project 2025 into the center of the discourse. Trump was not pleased. “I have no idea who is behind it,” he posted on his Truth Social site. “I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.”

The disavowal was obviously absurd. Scores of the people involved in the report had worked in the Trump administration, some in high-ranking posts. By trying to distance himself from Project 2025, Trump only brought more attention to it. Moreover, reporters keep turning up instances of connections among Trump, his campaign, and Project 2025.

That’s a problem for Trump, because it undercuts some of his attempts to cater more to the middle. His campaign has published a much simpler, more concise set of policies, which has some overlap with Project 2025 but also diverges in places, and avoids the kinds of details that create difficulties. Trump’s campaign has also toned down its rhetoric on abortion (frustrating some anti-abortion campaigners). Because no one is fooled by the attempted distancing from Project 2025, Trump looks like he’s trying to hide something, which he is.

Efforts to create the appearance of separation continue. Paul Dans, a former Trump White House staffer who led Project 2025, left the Heritage Foundation recently. Publication of Roberts’s book, with a foreword by Trump running mate J. D. Vance, has been paused. On Friday, the Trump campaign announced new presidential-transition chairs, conspicuously picking people not connected to Project 2025. Voters in Nevada have received flyers explicitly disavowing Project 2025 and listing Trump’s own platform.

As Barbra Streisand teaches, this sort of thing doesn’t usually work, and mostly calls attention to the very aspects of something that make it unpopular. Project 2025 is not likely to get any more popular between now and November either.

 

 

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