Project 2025: The plan for radical republicans to take America back to the 1700s

[Leeroy Jenkins 2489]

7 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I've seen what's been posted on this thread, but I've been searching for a bullet point summary and haven't found it.

Perhaps it doesn't exist, but it should.

 

[DixonHur 11967]

6 minutes ago, softlynow said:

You didn't see posts #254, 255 and 258 on this page?

I did, but none of those cover the whole document. 

I started looking because I read a Tweet that said Project 2025 eliminates overtime, but when I searched the document for overtime I found that's not true.  

So, I'm trying to find out what's really in there.

I'm starting to really become concerned about Biden's re-election chances, so I'm trying to understand what America will look like in a couple of years to determine if I need an exit plan.

Edited July 12 by DixonHur

[NeverMarryAStripper 22311]

6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I'm trying to understand what America will look like in a couple of years to determine if I need an exit plan.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34106]

52 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Give me a fucking break.  If you've read all 922 pages, congrats, but expecting the electorate as a whole to do the same is mind numbingly stupid.

I keep hearing "Project 2025, bad", but I honestly have no idea what's really in it and have neither the time nor the inclination to read 922 pages to find out.

Hell, if not for Cliff's Notes, I'm not sure I graduate.. so a version of Project 2025, like this, would be super helpful

If team Biden were smart, which I'm beginning to question, they'd be pumping out Twitter sized bites for the public.

 

wut? every other tweet and communication from the biden campaign is about project 2025. might want to cull your feed

[DixonHur 11967]

1 hour ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

 

I've seen this, and don't necessarily doubt they are true, but where are these in the Project 2025 document?

I've done a few keyword searches, like "retirement", "citizenship", "immigration", "overtime", "divorce", etc., but haven't found anything like what's mentioned in the image above.

Like I said, my curiosity is based on a Tweet I saw about the elimination of overtime, but that doesn't appear to be accurate based on a quick search, so I'm wondering how much of the reactions on Twitter is hyperbole.  IE how bad is shit about to get?

Sounding like I'm just going to have to at least skim the actual document.

[wildcat09 29595]

7 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I've seen this, and don't necessarily doubt they are true, but where are these in the Project 2025 document?

I've done a few keyword searches, like "retirement", "citizenship", "immigration", "overtime", "divorce", etc., but haven't found anything like what's mentioned in the image above.

Like I said, my curiosity is based on a Tweet I saw about the elimination of overtime, but that doesn't appear to be accurate based on a quick search, so I'm wondering how much of the reactions on Twitter is hyperbole.  IE how bad is shit about to get?

Sounding like I'm just going to have to at least skim the actual document.

Page 592:

Yes, yes, I'm sure you're going to claim that's not eliminating overtime.

[jimmyjazz 47237]

I'm not sure how you search for "overtime" and fail to find the paragraph linked by @wildcat09.

[DixonHur 11967]

12 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Page 592:

Yes, yes, I'm sure you're going to claim that's not eliminating overtime.

I did read that, and you're correct, that is not eliminating overtime... it was positioned elsewhere as an option to earn 150% vacation time in lieu of 150% pay. 

And from the same page you posted from...

So, saying they are eliminating overtime is hyperbolic at best.

[DixonHur 11967]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not sure how you search for "overtime" and fail to find the paragraph linked by @wildcat09.

Not sure how you can read that, and what I posted above, and come away with the conclusion that Project 2025 eliminates overtime.

[jimmyjazz 47237]

6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Not sure how you can read that, and what I posted above, and come away with the conclusion that Project 2025 eliminates overtime.

My bad, I thought you had said you saw no reference to "overtime".  At any rate, depending on the overtime structure, it could reduce overtime pay.  (I haven't been paid hourly (save contract work) since high school, and I've never managed anyone who isn't on salary, but as I recall some overtime schedules increase the 1.X multiplier as total hours worked per week rise.  This would mute that effect, for obvious intentions.)

[wildcat09 29595]

Awww, look at DixonHur doing Republican PR while still pretending he's a Democrat.

[DixonHur 11967]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Awww, look at DixonHur doing Republican PR while still pretending he's a Democrat.

Narrator:  I'm not a Democrat.  I'm an independent which I've covered ad nauseum.

Though to be crystal clear I plan on voting for the Dem nominee, I just don't think Biden will win and want to know the facts about what America will look like, not the scare tactic version.

Edited July 12 by DixonHur

[wildcat09 29595]

An independent doing Republican PR work is a Republican. 

[DixonHur 11967]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

An independent doing Republican PR work is a Republican. 

How am I doing Republican PR work... on checks notes... Surly?

Genuinely curious.

[softlynow 1894]

8 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I did read that, and you're correct, that is not eliminating overtime... it was positioned elsewhere as an option to earn 150% vacation time in lieu of 150% pay. 

And from the same page you posted from...

So, saying they are eliminating overtime is hyperbolic at best.

Your take is idiotic. The “flexibility” in those proposals are just tools for fucking over workers. The whining about how hard it is and the cool shit companies would do if the hard shit didn’t exist is pure nonsense. You’re going to bat for fascists and it’s just sad to see. 

[wildcat09 29595]

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

How am I doing Republican PR work... on checks notes... Surly?

Genuinely curious.

Asked and answered:

1 minute ago, softlynow said:

Your take is idiotic. The “flexibility” in those proposals are just tools for fucking over workers. The whining about how hard it is and the cool shit companies would do if the hard shit didn’t exist is pure nonsense. You’re going to bat for fascists and it’s just sad to see. 

This is "oh no this isn't about breaking up labor unions, it's just about the right to work!" shit. 

[Schulz2.0 29283]

53 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I've seen this, and don't necessarily doubt they are true, but where are these in the Project 2025 document?

I've done a few keyword searches, like "retirement", "citizenship", "immigration", "overtime", "divorce", etc., but haven't found anything like what's mentioned in the image above.

Like I said, my curiosity is based on a Tweet I saw about the elimination of overtime, but that doesn't appear to be accurate based on a quick search, so I'm wondering how much of the reactions on Twitter is hyperbole.  IE how bad is shit about to get?

Sounding like I'm just going to have to at least skim the actual document.

Because the guys that wrote it have mentioned that not all of their plans are public. Most of Project 2025 is fairly generic, but gives them the tools to do nefarious shit. These people have gone on podcasts and the like saying all the extra nefarious shit they aim to do.

[DixonHur 11967]

Just now, softlynow said:

Your take is idiotic. The “flexibility” in those proposals are just tools for fucking over workers. The whining about how hard it is and the cool shit companies would do if the hard shit didn’t exist is pure nonsense. You’re going to bat for fascists and it’s just sad to see. 

It literally says that the employee has the choice.  Maybe they are being disingenuous, but it's also disingenuous to say, "Project 2025 says they are eliminating overtime", when it doesn't say that.

1 minute ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Because the guys that wrote it have mentioned that not all of their plans are public. Most of Project 2025 is fairly generic, but gives them the tools to do nefarious shit. These people have gone on podcasts and the like saying all the extra nefarious shit they aim to do.

Finally, and unemotional response. 

 

[DixonHur 11967]

13 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This is "oh no this isn't about breaking up labor unions, it's just about the right to work!" shit. 

I'm sure you're on the other side of this argument, but having worked in several highly unionized industries, they don't get a ton of sympathy from me.

Edited July 12 by DixonHur

[wildcat09 29595]

Way to dodge the point that they sell their policies with lies. 

[Js1 87213]

Never heard of it?

[WhatTheBuck 28934]

3 hours ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Damnit. I just watched that the other day. The full doc was there on YouTube. I bookmarked it. I was just about to post it here but now it’s showing up as private. I hate that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9HmV_-EE8g

[softlynow 1894]

49 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

It literally says that the employee has the choice.  Maybe they are being disingenuous, but it's also disingenuous to say, "Project 2025 says they are eliminating overtime", when it doesn't say that.

Doubling down on the boot licking, I see.

There’s zero chance that the flexibility here is anything other than the flexibility to pay workers less. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11860]

Quote

I'm an independent

No.  You’re a dependent.  Every single thing you have done in this life has been somehow touched by government.  

[Schulz2.0 29283]

2 hours ago, DixonHur said:

I'm sure you're on the other side of this argument, but having worked in several highly unionized industries, they don't get a ton of sympathy from me.

I work at a union refinery. Plenty of MAGA morons here.

[DixonHur 11967]

3 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

No.  You’re a dependent.  Every single thing you have done in this life has been somehow touched by government.  

What does that mean?  Technically, we're all at the mercy of government.

2 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

I work at a union refinery. Plenty of MAGA morons here.

No doubt.  I just hate dealing with unions.  I think the idea of a union is great, but the reality sucks.

I once got fined by a union for moving a light stand out of the way of a couple union members (from a different union), who were carrying a heavy piece of equipment.

And don't get me started on mobile generators.  If you have a generator on a truck you have to hire both a Teamster and an local electrical union member.

And the Teamster has to be there the whole time, even though the truck is stationary.  It's maddening.

[TwiceHorn 32087]

6 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Because the guys that wrote it have mentioned that not all of their plans are public. Most of Project 2025 is fairly generic, but gives them the tools to do nefarious shit. These people have gone on podcasts and the like saying all the extra nefarious shit they aim to do.

Exactly right.  In some respects, it is just a big government reform project and a lot of it sounds efficiency-driven.

But when you look at the part that proposes replacing merit-based (more or less) civil servants with (christofascist) political hacks and then think about government reform from that perspective, it gets scary as fuck.

It doesn't really get scary until you consider that the heads of agencies and their main chieftains will be Mike Johnsons, Mike Davises, Josh Hawleys, Johnny McEntees, etc.  

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[TheStoicPaisano 9953]

 

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[NWBuck 8630]

7 hours ago, Js1 said:

Never heard of it?

 

 

[tx 3 putt 78717]

Seems like a great idea ….

 

[tx 3 putt 78717]

[Brandywine 1330]

On 6/26/2024 at 8:59 AM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

You know that one part of their plan will be to ensure that as many of their changes as possible cannot be overturned by a potential Dem admin or liberal court in the future. 

There won’t be any Dem administrations or liberal courts in the future. Problem solved!

[Pam Cummings 9883]

17 hours ago, DixonHur said:

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Finally, and unemotional response. 

 

This is garbage. You talk down to people. It's obnoxious.

Edited July 13 by Pam Cummings

[DDD Dad 14656]

On 7/11/2024 at 1:04 AM, SKJ said:

This fucking uneducated ghoul just said "eckspeshally"

Probably a religious homeschool graduate.  Fucking dicksucker probably says nookleear as well

 

 

I believe the preferred pronunciation is “nukular”. 

[Js1 87213]

1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

I believe the preferred pronunciation is “nukular”. 

The S is silent, dummy 

[Pancho 46346]

Klan heritage foundation is already going on record saying the election is illegitimate before any vote has even happened. 

[Js1 87213]

Just now, Pancho said:

Klan heritage foundation is already going on record saying the election is illegitimate before any vote has even happened. 

[wildcat09 29595]

The bad news is that they're obviously going to attempt a coup if they lose. The good news is maybe this time they'll actually all get shot when they do.

[Brisketexan 106952]

The bad news is that they're obviously going to attempt a coup if they lose. The good news is maybe this time they'll actually all get shot when they do.

Please. Please let all of that happen. The only way we end this fucking insanity is to melt the barrels of .50 cals as we stack their bodies like cordwood on the Capitol steps. Fuck, I say lure them in…funnel them into a fucking shooting gallery, and then puree them by the hundreds.
Enough with this bullshit taking the high road and doing all we can to avoid a “constitutional crisis.” We’re in one. Time to fight.

[ROFL BOX 6655]

20 hours ago, DixonHur said:

I've seen this, and don't necessarily doubt they are true, but where are these in the Project 2025 document?

I've done a few keyword searches, like "retirement", "citizenship", "immigration", "overtime", "divorce", etc., but haven't found anything like what's mentioned in the image above.

Like I said, my curiosity is based on a Tweet I saw about the elimination of overtime, but that doesn't appear to be accurate based on a quick search, so I'm wondering how much of the reactions on Twitter is hyperbole.  IE how bad is shit about to get?

Sounding like I'm just going to have to at least skim the actual document.

#Project2025 - page 731 has the FDIC’s section.

[ROFL BOX 6655]

52 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Please. Please let all of that happen. The only way we end this fucking insanity is to melt the barrels of .50 cals as we stack their bodies like cordwood on the Capitol steps. 

Like they said, "No bloodshed provided the Democrats allow this to happen"... (except he didn't say WHOSE "blood").

[ROFL BOX 6655]

If you're gonna DL this .pdf, you will probably wanna do it on a computer vs. your phone.

https://www.project2025.org/policy/

[TwiceHorn 32087]

2 hours ago, ROFL BOX said:

#Project2025 - page 731 has the FDIC’s section.

Here's an example of how subtle this is.  These are the paragrapha about FDIC:

The new Administration should establish a more streamlined bank and supervision by supporting legislation to merge the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the National Credit Union Administration, and the Federal Reserve’s non-monetary supervisory and regulatory functions. U.S. banking law remains stuck in the 1930s regarding which functions financial companies should perform. It was never a good idea either to restrict banks to taking deposits and making loans or to prevent investment banks from taking deposits. Doing so makes markets less stable. All financial intermediaries function by pooling the financial resources of those who want to save and funneling them to others that are willing and able to pay for additional funds. This underlying principle should guide U.S. financial laws. Policymakers should create new charters for financial firms that eliminate activity restrictions and reduce regulations in return for straightforward higher equity or risk-retention standards. Ultimately, these charters would replace government regulation with competition and market discipline, thereby lowering the risk of future financial crises and improving the ability of individuals to create wealth.

At p. 705.  Ok, maybe.  That last part looks like ibank thunderdome, though, in which unsophisticated investors (ie people with bank accounts) get turbofucked.

But here's the kicker, 35 pages later in connection with monetary policy and the federal reserve, buried in an endnote:

24 Reforms should also strengthen the incentives of bank depositors (customers) and bank shareholders (owners) to monitor bank portfolios. Deposit insurance undermines the former, as even President Franklin Roosevelt recognized. Bailouts and last-resort lending undermine the latter.

I dare you to ask any Trumpist, including those in Congress, how to "monitor bank portfolios" to protect your deposits. 

ETA:  Shit, tell em to ask Jaime Dimon.  I bet he couldn't tell you except after the fact.

Edited July 13 by TwiceHorn

[SKJ 1322]

Yes... we should end bailouts?

I know the language is stayed too be ambiguous,  but...

[elfenix 34754]

20 hours ago, DixonHur said:

It literally says that the employee has the choice.  Maybe they are being disingenuous, but it's also disingenuous to say, "Project 2025 says they are eliminating overtime", when it doesn't say that.

Finally, and unemotional response. 

 

My dude

[Judge Roybeanbag 11860]

15 hours ago, DixonHur said:

What does that mean?  Technically, we're all at the mercy of government.

 

Just saying, if you went to public school, drove on public roads, had the benefit of parents who had those things, had clean drinking water and god forbid reliable electricity, well you’ve built your life upon infrastructure designed by the common good, ie government.   

[Neonmoon 38130]

28 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It was never a good idea either to restrict banks to taking deposits and making loans or to prevent investment banks from taking deposits. Doing so makes markets less stable.

The Glass Steagall Act was part of the Banking Act of 1933 literally enacted after the 1929 market crash caused by speculative investing (among other things) and after repeal in 1999 due to banking lobby, again caused speculative MBS investment and the GFC of 2008

Project 2025 saying it isn’t a good idea is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read about finance 

[BamaATL 16593]

1 minute ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Just saying, if you went to public school, drove on public roads, had the benefit of parents who had those things, had clean drinking water and god forbid reliable electricity, well you’ve built your life upon infrastructure designed by the common good, ie government.   

Don't forget a Fire Department, police and other emergency services.  

I'm really excited about the prospect of going back to for profit fire fighting.  Should be just aces!

[Judge Roybeanbag 11860]

7 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Don't forget a Fire Department, police and other emergency services.  

I'm really excited about the prospect of going back to for profit fire fighting.  Should be just aces!

lol yeah.  My only point was we have all benefitted from an entity that provides a jumping off point to succeed.  Without that point you may as well have been some poor kid born in a 3rd world country.

[WhatTheBuck 28934]

1 hour ago, ROFL BOX said:

#Project2025 - page 731 has the FDIC’s section.

Project 2008.