senseless gun violence

[Derka 5,556]

if we already have a thread then please move this post there. if not, this can serve as a catch-all for the senseless gun violence which just about defines this country. let it be known that the stated intent of this thread is to mirror those for bad cops and rapey clergymen, aka a place to post and discuss these news events, and NOT a place to argue about the 2A. 

i’ll start us off with this horrifying story of a wanna-be cop murdering a 17 year old kid because the kid “wouldn’t comply with my commands”. this story is just insane, and yet it’s not a one-off. so damn maddening.

https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/teen-shot-renton-big-5-sporting-goods.amp

 

[Braff Zacklin 13,289]

That's an awful story. False imprisonment of multiple people, probably racially motivated (so federal civil rights violations, as well), whatever crime constitutes making deadly threats, and of course the murder charges for following through on those threats.

Hope that 51-year-old wanna-be never sees the outside of a prison.

What an absolutely senseless tragedy.

[YGIFS 19,445]

A pair of new(ish) case precedents being set the last several years all around the country. 

Some version of:

"Slowly reach for/drop your weapon and then raise your hands above/behind your head."

-But I don't have a weapon!

"You're not complying!"  (opens fire, person had no weapon on them)

Some version of:

Good guy raises gun to person in threatening manner.  Other person is unarmed and panics so attempts to strike the gun holder or grab their gun to protect themselves.  Gun holder views this as an affront to his safety so they open fire on the unarmed person, claiming self-defense.  The twisted version of this is you order pizza, amazon, or grubhub to your door.  Delivery shows up, you shoot them claiming they were behaving in an erratic fashion and you felt threatened they were going to break into your home.  All of these scenarios will only add up to a few dozen murders per year, but isn't one enough?  

[C-Man 26,617]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/12/us/big-5-sporting-goods-shooting-washington/index.html

[Derka 5,556]

White Nebraska man shoots and wounds 7 Guatemalan immigrant neighbors:

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/white-nebraska-man-shoots-wounds-7-guatemalan-immigrant-111586014

[YGIFS 19,445]

Just defending himself and his home.  castle doctrine and all that.  Doesn’t really fit the pattern to shoot yourself in the head afterwards, If you’re just exercising your rights.  But hey, let’s get him a bigger gun next time.  

['stache 21,520]

On 7/2/2024 at 5:20 AM, Derka said:

White Nebraska man shoots and wounds 7 Guatemalan immigrant neighbors:

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/white-nebraska-man-shoots-wounds-7-guatemalan-immigrant-111586014

That's certainly some police work there, Lou.

[Brisketexan 103,515]

2 hours ago, 'stache said:

That's certainly some police work there, Lou.

In a related story, the founders of the True Texas Project commented “I don’t condone the actions, but I certainly understand where they came from" and "You're not going to demographically replace a once proud, strong people without getting blow-back."

I mean, they said that about the El Paso Wal-Mart shooter, no reason they wouldn't say it here.

[Derka 5,556]

road rage in indy leads to guy getting shot to death. video of the shooting from reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/cfWiBZQUIk

 

NY Post:

https://nypost.com/2024/07/18/us-news/armed-man-shot-and-killed-during-suspected-road-rage-incident-in-indianapolis-video/

[mchookem 15,535]

[AbeFroman 2,036]

1 hour ago, Derka said:

road rage in indy leads to guy getting shot to death. video of the shooting from reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/cfWiBZQUIk

 

NY Post:

https://nypost.com/2024/07/18/us-news/armed-man-shot-and-killed-during-suspected-road-rage-incident-in-indianapolis-video/

What are you fucking doing running up there in traffic with a gun in your hand...Only two results are going to happen, you are either going to jail maybe prison, because you know people are filming, or you're going to catch some coming back at you, which is what happened.

[Jkwellborn 6,577]

road rage in indy leads to guy getting shot to death. video of the shooting from reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/cfWiBZQUIk
 
NY Post:
https://nypost.com/2024/07/18/us-news/armed-man-shot-and-killed-during-suspected-road-rage-incident-in-indianapolis-video/

Doesn’t belong in this thread. That was a good shoot.

[Derka 5,556]

16 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

Doesn’t belong in this thread. That was a good shoot.

a road rage incident where one guy pulls a gun on another motorist only to then get shot to death himself is the definition of senseless gun violence. what a stupid thing to die over.

Edited July 19 by Derka

[Celery Man 20,568]

Man you’re really better off just using a regular security blanket

[SameSame 1,672]

10 hours ago, Derka said:

road rage in indy leads to guy getting shot to death. video of the shooting from reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/cfWiBZQUIk

 

NY Post:

https://nypost.com/2024/07/18/us-news/armed-man-shot-and-killed-during-suspected-road-rage-incident-in-indianapolis-video/

Coming up and punching the door with your weapon still in your hand is beyond dumb.  He's lucky he didn't shoot himself in the chest and end it right there.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,295]

9 hours ago, AbeFroman said:

What are you fucking doing running up there in traffic with a gun in your hand...Only two results are going to happen, you are either going to jail maybe prison, because you know people are filming, or you're going to catch some coming back at you, which is what happened.

This type of incident is why I'm opposed to people walking around with guns. They see red for whatever reason, and they grab their gun. Too many people cannot control their emotions and they want to show someone that you can't screw with them.

 

[Armybrat 40,527]

Tough shit for “tough guy”.

[SamsCorner 395]

13 minutes ago, SameSame said:

Coming up and punching the door with your weapon still in your hand is beyond dumb.  He's lucky he didn't shoot himself in the chest and end it right there.

He'd been lucky if the other guy missed.

[Brisketexan 103,515]

15 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

This type of incident is why I'm opposed to people walking around with guns. They see red for whatever reason, and they grab their gun. Too many people cannot control their emotions and they want to show someone that you can't screw with them.

 

A whole lot of this.

A fight is just a fight.  But when you show up with a gun, the entire episode is now a gunfight.  And people die in gunfights.  

FFS, the geniuses behind "Friday" told us this decades ago.  But we're too stupid to learn.

[huge 3,774]

Is there anything we can't learn from Friday?

[JMFP 1,111]

23 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

This type of incident is why I'm opposed to people walking around with guns. They see red for whatever reason, and they grab their gun. Too many people cannot control their emotions and they want to show someone that you can't screw with them.

 

So, yes people that can't control their own emotions should not be carrying guns... But they do. 

[Brisketexan 103,515]

1 minute ago, JMFP said:

So, yes people that can't control their own emotions should not be carrying guns... But they do. 

It's worse than that.  It's an inverse relationship: those least able to control their emotions/keep their cool are generally the most likely to be carrying a gun.

The more balanced you are, and the more you are likely to avoid unnecessary and unproductive conflict, the less likely you are to carry a gun.

TLDR; carrying a gun enables amped up idiocy.

[JMFP 1,111]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It's worse than that.  It's an inverse relationship: those least able to control their emotions/keep their cool are generally the most likely to be carrying a gun.

The more balanced you are, and the more you are likely to avoid unnecessary and unproductive conflict, the less likely you are to carry a gun.

TLDR; carrying a gun enables amped up idiocy.

I don't disagree.

I don't usually carry (on person or in a vehicle) unless I'm traveling with my family. I've said here before that if by myself I feel fairly confident that I can avoid or remove myself from a bad situation if I need to, but not so much when directing the wife and kids too.

My dad always said never let anyone know you have a gun and never pull it unless you need to use it. And use it if you pull it. 

 

[Brisketexan 103,515]

29 minutes ago, huge said:

Is there anything we can't learn from Friday?

I mean, I still try to avoid taking a shit up against someone's house.  Lesson LEARNED.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,247]

I don’t carry a gun because Jesus will protect me.  I wish all true Christians were blessed with the faith I have. 

[bschoolprof 6,219]

 

[aggie08 20,344]

Well that looks staged as fuck.

[jdhorn92 1,527]

2 hours ago, SameSame said:

Coming up and punching the door with your weapon still in your hand is beyond dumb.  He's lucky he didn't shoot himself in the chest and end it right there.

Yep and what likely got him shot is he switched the gun to the other hand out of view of the driver, after he hits the door handle with it.....and then raises the right hand (the original gun hand) after switching the gun to the left hand and points his finger.....its at that moment he is forever muted.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,295]

15 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Well that looks staged as fuck.

Do people really fish in the bayous at an overpass? Two, never let strangers get that close to you. 

But this situation plus having the perfect camera angle makes me think it's fake too.

[bschoolprof 6,219]

9 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Do people really fish in the bayous at an overpass? Two, never let strangers get that close to you. 

But this situation plus having the perfect camera angle makes me think it's fake too.

This dude does apparently. He has other random overpass fishing videos on his channel that pre date this one. I doubt it’s fake. I think he just lives in a rough part of Houston called Houston. 

[Derka 5,556]

 

 

@immamac petition to change thread title to “school shootings and other senseless gun violence”.

[Newdoc 3,421]

5 minutes ago, Derka said:

 petition to change thread title to “school shootings and other senseless gun violence”.

I hope we don't need a catch all thread for school shootings. This country is broken.

[Captainant 26,902]

25 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

I hope we don't need a catch all thread for school shootings. This country is broken.

you new around here?

[Bill Brasky 1,426]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

you new around here?

his username checks out 

[Derka 5,556]

4 dead, 22 more hospitalized. 14 year old shooter. only in america.

[Derka 5,556]

i never ventured into the cloak room until the last few weeks and i am now discovering there is a lengthy thread for this subject already in progress. that makes sense. what doesn’t make sense is how mass shootings and school slayings are a political issue.

[Buzzrock 14,779]

Because laws need to be changed and / or enforced better, and that’s done via the political system. 
 

Barrow County is about halfway between Atlanta and Athens, GA, so close to home and whatnot. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11,728]

13 minutes ago, Derka said:

i never ventured into the cloak room until the last few weeks and i am now discovering there is a lengthy thread for this subject already in progress. that makes sense. what doesn’t make sense is how mass shootings and school slayings are a political issue.

It's a political issue, because only government regulation can have any effect on access to guns/assault rifles/etc. and a good part of our 'government' has decided it not only has no interest  in doing so but actively promotes the weapons prevalently used in mass shootings and stonewalls any attempts to reduce mass shootings.  That's pretty much it.

[Derka 5,556]

oh no i get all of that. i just don’t understand how this country has gotten to such a place. it’s embarrassing and nonsensical.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11,728]

32 minutes ago, Derka said:

oh no i get all of that. i just don’t understand how this country has gotten to such a place. it’s embarrassing and nonsensical.

Yes, it is.  I have a hard time reconciling that too.  

[Foosters 17,637]

On 7/18/2024 at 10:27 PM, mchookem said:

bump

[shnsajax 3,589]

Here to say, fuck the NRA and my 70 year old uncle spewing 2A fucking bullshit!

[Derka 5,556]

 

 

https://slatereport.com/news/teen-seeking-perfect-homecoming-photo-shoot-spot-gets-shot-in-face-by-town-council-member-while-asking-to-use-his-property-police-say/

[Willfully Horn 7,854]

WTF? Seems like the homeowner should be charged. 

Edited September 22 by Willfully Horn

[Foosters 17,637]

[Rex Kramer 1,234]

Pleasantly surprised no Texas county appears on either list. Ignore that nationwide, as of 2 years ago, we were killing 39.7% more people with guns than we were 6 years ago. Ignore it. All positive news. 

Edited October 8 by Rex Kramer

[Hornius Emeritus 12,332]

2022 was somewhat of an outlier. I read earlier that the projected number of homicides for Cook County this year is 570, roughly the same as in 2018.

[markstanco 12,425]

2022 was somewhat of an outlier. I read earlier that the projected number of homicides for Cook County this year is 570, roughly the same as in 2018.

Not sure if propaganda, but I read that crimes like these aren’t being reported any longer which of course means rates will obviously go down.

[Foosters 17,637]

2 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Not sure if propaganda, but I read that crimes like these aren’t being reported any longer which of course means rates will obviously go down.

 

Car break ins? Maybe.

Homicide via firearm? No.

[bolverk 29,036]

1 hour ago, markstanco said:

Not sure if propaganda, but I read that crimes like these aren’t being reported any longer which of course means rates will obviously go down.

Homicides aren't being reported. Where the fuck did you read that?

Let's think about this for a moment by using our god-given intelligence and the years of higher education that (hopefully) taught us to think critically. The CDC, which retrieves its data from cause-of-death reports by local coroners, has fallen victim to some cabal-like conspiracy to suppress local homicide rates across the country.

Is that what you're going with? To what end? Was there a massive Zoom call for coroners during which they all agreed they would lie to the federal government?

Or are you going to fall back on being gullible to the bullshit lies spawned by Covid deniers on Xitter that there's a conspiracy by the feds to change the cause of death numbers to suit some nefarious purpose? This is as bad as the embarrassing moment you suffered when posting about googling 3-digit numbers on Covid cases?

Aren't you tired of being played, or do you simply enjoy being lied to so that you can feel validated?