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3 minutes ago, ajax said:

I don't think I've ever seen BMTH called emo anywhere.

Might be the wrong word.  Anyway, nothing like the 'mats or Pixies.  It doesn't matter, I like all kinds of genres (but not whatever that one is) -- whatever gets someone off is no business of mine.

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2 hours ago, Seasick Sailor said:

The vast majority of Springsteen's catalog is overproduced garbage. The Saxophone doesn't belong in rock music. About the only thing of his I like is John Moreland's cover of Thunder Road. 

 Mick and Keith disagree

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5 hours ago, Seasick Sailor said:

The vast majority of Springsteen's catalog is overproduced garbage. The Saxophone doesn't belong in rock music. About the only thing of his I like is John Moreland's cover of Thunder Road. 

One of my favorite bands as a Lad...  

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They had a xylophone, 2 synths, 3 guitars, drums, bass, and a whole ass horn section.

Phenomenal in concert.

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Also Danny is probably the devil.. just sayin'

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On 6/18/2024 at 9:46 AM, jimmyjazz said:

Flea and Chad Smith f'n rock.  What a rhythm section.

finally got around to listening to Beato's interview with Michael Beinhorn (GREAT interview, btw) and the story about how Chad got the gig is fantastic.

They needed a drummer, held auditions, and Chad was the last guy to show. Everyone before him had been total junk, and he showed up like a big ol frat boy who totally didn't jive with the band's other personalities, so they were bummed that they'd struck out.

And then... he started to play. And that was it. Nearly 40 years with the band.

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On 6/18/2024 at 12:56 PM, honolulu horn said:

OTOH, it's interesting to me that music I hated as a teenager I actually often like now, probably for that same nostalgic reason but also that I haven't listened to them 10,000 times already.

It depends, right? As a kid/teen I had zero interest in any kind of ballad or slow song; now, I appreciate how good "Broken Wings" by Mr Mister is. I'd switch stations whenever that came in the radio before.

Same thing with most New Wave. I only discovered Missing Persons recently, and while most of their shit is shit, when they are good they're very good.

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On 6/19/2024 at 9:36 AM, ajax said:

I can't remember the last time I chose to listen to my favorite bands growing up (Replacements and the Pixies).

ah, well, it's very easy to understand... you liked the fuckin pixies

I figure if a band can't be buggered to be halfway in tune, I can't be buggered to listen to em

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2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Jbj does rank fairly high on the “rock bands with the shortest male lead vocalist” list.  So he’s got that going for him. 

ok you got me started

See here's the thing. Every time a big time band made their way to the Amarillo Civic Center, it seemed there were 3-4 big tours where the opening act was Bon Jovi. For years. When they were big enough to headline, that's when you knew it was all over.

You see, they didn't get any better. All the good bands had broken up, got strung out on drugs, usually both.

It is no coincidence that Slippery When Wet and Van Hagar both happened in 1986. hair metal was over after 1985.

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On 6/19/2024 at 11:17 AM, jimmyjazz said:

It was a little overdone with Springsteen, though.

whatever.  There's not a band in the history of ever that wouldn't have been better with Bobby Keys.  Remember that live version of "Whatever gets you through the night" with Lennon, Elton, and Bobby Keys?

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It depends, right? As a kid/teen I had zero interest in any kind of ballad or slow song; now, I appreciate how good "Broken Wings" by Mr Mister is. I'd switch stations whenever that came in the radio before.

Same thing with most New Wave. I only discovered Missing Persons recently, and while most of their shit is shit, when they are good they're very good.

Dale Bozzio showed her gash in Penthouse back in the day.  i'm sure the internet remembers.

 

 

Edit: I checked...the internet remembers

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3 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

whatever.  There's not a band in the history of ever that wouldn't have been better with Bobby Keys.  Remember that live version of "Whatever gets you through the night" with Lennon, Elton, and Bobby Keys?

You're kind of making my point for me -- the Stones didn't have Bobby play a solo on every song.  Springsteen had Clemons play a solo on damn near every song (and now his son).

I didn't hate it, it just felt repetitive.  Kinda like Roy Bittan using that bell tone on keys all the time.  

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9 hours ago, Rimbo said:

ah, well, it's very easy to understand... you liked the fuckin pixies

I figure if a band can't be buggered to be halfway in tune, I can't be buggered to listen to em

It just wouldn't be the same if they were in tune. 

And I was wrong about not listening to old music. I do go back and listen to Trompe le Monde occasionally, like couple of years.

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8 hours ago, South Austin said:

What about that time I found you naked with a bowl of Jell-O?

IT WAS HOT AND I WAS HUNGRY, OK?

 

(ok I'm slow)

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Button pushers for Gooby:

The Doors

The Eagles...with the exception of "In The City"

The Band

The Doobie Brothers

CSN(&Y)...any iteration of this namby pamby bullshit

Yes

EL&P

Free Bird, Tuesday's Gone and Sweet Home Alabama

and fucking "Low Rider".  How is it that we, as a collective society, aren't at our limit with that fucking song?

 

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4 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

is "In the City" an Eagles song?  I though that was a Walsh solo deal. 

Eagles recorded it too, on The Long Run.  It seems like it was a decent hit for them, but maybe I've just heard it a bunch on the album.

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The more I thought about it, the more I decided y'all are full of shit. 

 

Forgive me for using wiki, but

The track was first recorded by guitarist Joe Walsh for the soundtrack to the 1979 movie The Warriors; the Eagles liked what they heard and decided to record it for their album The Long Run.

"In the City" is a rock song written by Barry De Vorzon and Joe Walsh. It was first recorded by Walsh and released on the soundtrack for the 1979 film The Warriors.[1] Another version of the song, recorded by Walsh's band the Eagles, was included on their album The Long Run, released the same year.

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55 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Uh, doesn't that corroborate what was said?

We were both right, but I was more right*.   It was a Walsh solo/soundtrack piece FIRST, then subsequently released on an Eagles album.   I'm interested in who played on the solo version, but I can't find any info. 

 

*yes I'm being a dick

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48 minutes ago, Ignatius said:

Fucking despise Boston and all Doors except for ‘Peace Frog’ and ‘L.A Woman’…

The Doors simply didn’t age well. From what I have read I’m of the opinion that Paul Rothchild was probably the biggest reason the first five albums really weren’t that good. Robbie and Ray have been quoted many times on how Paul was a creative problem with the band.
 

Maybe it was a coincidence, but LA Women, by far their most successful effort. Only happened after Rothchild was gone. 

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15 hours ago, Hamttx said:

The Doors simply didn’t age well. From what I have read I’m of the opinion that Paul Rothchild was probably the biggest reason the first five albums really weren’t that good. Robbie and Ray have been quoted many times on how Paul was a creative problem with the band.
 

Maybe it was a coincidence, but LA Women, by far their most successful effort. Only happened after Rothchild was gone. 

Perhaps this belongs on the unpopular opinions thread, but I think the first two Doors albums are really good.  The middle period is hit and miss, but LA Woman is a classic.  

I can understand why some people don't care for the Doors.  Morrison could be an insufferable prick, and you either like (or tolerate) his "poetry" or you don't.  So I "get" the dislike.  But there's a chunk of their catalog that I enjoy.  They aren't my favorite band by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't change the channel on 'em, either.

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I think Boston appeals to a pretty specific demographic -- mine.  Young FM album oriented rock listeners in the mid-70s.  It was an eye-opening sound after nearly a decade of blues-rock.  Nobody had ever heard that guitar sound.  Very few singers could match Brad Delp.  My biggest knock on the band was the lyrics, because Tom Scholz is a genius dork who was out of his element there.  C'est la vie.  The songs still sounded incredibly fresh.

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On 6/19/2024 at 4:59 PM, locodos said:

One of my favorite bands as a Lad...  

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They had a xylophone, 2 synths, 3 guitars, drums, bass, and a whole ass horn section.

Phenomenal in concert.

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I preferred the original lineup.

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I think Boston appeals to a pretty specific demographic -- mine.  Young FM album oriented rock listeners in the mid-70s.  It was an eye-opening sound after nearly a decade of blues-rock.  Nobody had ever heard that guitar sound.  Very few singers could match Brad Delp.  My biggest knock on the band was the lyrics, because Tom Scholz is a genius dork who was out of his element there.  C'est la vie.  The songs still sounded incredibly fresh.

I think his lyrics fit those songs pretty well for their time.

And I still maintain that those two albums were probably the most impressive displays of musicianship from one person that I’m aware of. Just amazing the breadth of ability he put forth.
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I hate that fucking song Don't Look Back in Anger. I especially hate when crowds gather in the wake of unfathomable tragedy to sing this song in order to show how enlightened they are. 

How about trying some white-hot genocidal rage instead of this pacifist shit.

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On 7/31/2024 at 5:56 PM, tbone_ said:


I think his lyrics fit those songs pretty well for their time.

And I still maintain that those two albums were probably the most impressive displays of musicianship from one person that I’m aware of. Just amazing the breadth of ability he put forth.

I'd argue that Stephen Stills has shown equal or better musicianship, along with much better songwriting. 

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