NBA Offseason Thread 2024 - Fuck you, pay me

[Kermit 3159]

 

[Pam Cummings 9685]

5 years and 65 mil left. Fuck you, pay me.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18597]

Monty is a hero. 

[Kermit 3159]

 

[MrX 742]

What a disaster for the Pistons. Monty got the good life. 

[Fastbreak 3996]

Maybe combine the threads

NBA 24-25 Off Season (Trades, FA, etc)
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[Kermit 3159]

Fuck, that’s my bad. Did a search, but I guess I just suck at searching. Nuke this one. Sorry @Fastbreak.

[Dutchrudder 11154]

4 hours ago, Kermit said:

Fuck, that’s my bad. Did a search, but I guess I just suck at searching. Nuke this one. Sorry @Fastbreak.

To be fair, Search also sucks at searching. 

[Baboontyme 2828]

I don't know where I land on the Monty stuff to be honest. I'm local but not sure I really care about the current iteration of the Pistons. I understand that he was trying to set a culture by playing Hayes over Ivey last year (Hayes could defend, Ivey chooses not to) but if that was a problem that points to same page-ness with the front office. They have been historically unlucky with the lottery, and they have drafted atrociously. I think Cade can still be a centerpiece, and I like Thompson. I think Fontecchio is a solid fit and I think Beef Stew can be a really valuable contributer if he can tick his 3P% up just a bit next year. 

[d2o 1602]

10 hours ago, Baboontyme said:

I don't know where I land on the Monty stuff to be honest. I'm local but not sure I really care about the current iteration of the Pistons. I understand that he was trying to set a culture by playing Hayes over Ivey last year (Hayes could defend, Ivey chooses not to) but if that was a problem that points to same page-ness with the front office. They have been historically unlucky with the lottery, and they have drafted atrociously. I think Cade can still be a centerpiece, and I like Thompson. I think Fontecchio is a solid fit and I think Beef Stew can be a really valuable contributer if he can tick his 3P% up just a bit next year. 

Agree with most of this except the Beef Stew stuff.  He's barely a rotational player IMO.

Whenever a team hires a new exec they invariably want to bring in their own coach.    With all of the money and years left on the deal not many thought they would pull the cord and dump Monty though.  While I'm not saying Monty did a good job, the org as a whole hasnt been trying to win for a few yrs now.   Making him a fall guy for organizational ineptitude is funny but at least he got 75M for 1 yr of work to go along with the 25M PHX paid him to go away last yr.  They are eating very well at the Williams house.

[Baboontyme 2828]

38 minutes ago, d2o said:

Agree with most of this except the Beef Stew stuff.  He's barely a rotational player IMO.

Based on my eye test (and I'm barely paying attention - gotta be smoking something to watch this team), I would agree. However, James Edwards of the Athletic has said repeatedly that the Pistons get calls all of the time about trying to pry him free due to his defensive ability and versatility. He would be coming off of the bench on a decent team for sure. 

[d2o 1602]

Just now, Baboontyme said:

Based on my eye test (and I'm barely paying attention - gotta be smoking something to watch this team), I would agree. However, James Edwards of the Athletic has said repeatedly that the Pistons get calls all of the time about trying to pry him free due to his defensive ability and versatility. He would be coming off of the bench on a decent team for sure. 

Then they should let him go.   Sounds like the same crap they used to say about Rodney Stuckey and Amir Johnson.  They held both way too long and both proved that they were not difference makers

[Mitch Cumsteen 18597]

1 hour ago, d2o said:

Agree with most of this except the Beef Stew stuff.  He's barely a rotational player IMO.

Whenever a team hires a new exec they invariably want to bring in their own coach.    With all of the money and years left on the deal not many thought they would pull the cord and dump Monty though.  While I'm not saying Monty did a good job, the org as a whole hasnt been trying to win for a few yrs now.   Making him a fall guy for organizational ineptitude is funny but at least he got 75M for 1 yr of work to go along with the 25M PHX paid him to go away last yr.  They are eating very well at the Williams house.

Monty Haul is a terrible coach and a fraud. He had one good stretch in Phoenix where Chris Paul essentially ran the team, but other than that he has been completely inept going back to the New Orleans days. Other than signing ridiculous contracts, the most impressive thing he's ever done in his career is deliver the eulogy at his wife's funeral. 

[d2o 1602]

24 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Monty Haul is a terrible coach and a fraud. He had one good stretch in Phoenix where Chris Paul essentially ran the team, but other than that he has been completely inept going back to the New Orleans days. Other than signing ridiculous contracts, the most impressive thing he's ever done in his career is deliver the eulogy at his wife's funeral. 

yeah, he had one good yr basically and managed to turn that into a fucking fortune.   He's the American dream LOL

[Aqua Buddha 14625]

41 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Monty Haul is a terrible coach and a fraud. He had one good stretch in Phoenix where Chris Paul essentially ran the team, but other than that he has been completely inept going back to the New Orleans days. Other than signing ridiculous contracts, the most impressive thing he's ever done in his career is deliver the eulogy at his wife's funeral. 

His current wife also has breast cancer.

The problem with the Pistons isn't the coach.  It's the roster.  They draft poorly and get unlucky in the lottery on top of that.  My guess is that Cade leaves or they trade him and blow everything up.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18597]

10 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

His current wife also has breast cancer.

The problem with the Pistons isn't the coach.  It's the roster.  They draft poorly and get unlucky in the lottery on top of that.  My guess is that Cade leaves or they trade him and blow everything up.

Not sure how his wife having breast cancer is relevant, although I'm pretty sure that she was cancer-free before he ever took the Detroit job.

And for sure that's a bad roster, but they weren't "longest losing streak in NBA history" bad. He's a terrible, awful, incompetent coach who is both inept with X's and O's and a bad communicator / people person. Bad coach. Bad dude. Incredible contract signer.

[Dutchrudder 11154]

Monty is the Bighead of the NBA.

[Baboontyme 2828]

2 hours ago, d2o said:

Then they should let him go.   Sounds like the same crap they used to say about Rodney Stuckey and Amir Johnson. 

Don't forget Lindsey Hunter - he was going to be the next Zeke!

[Dutchrudder 11154]

In other news, Tatum is eligible for a five-year, $315 million extension, which league circles view as inevitable. 

Derrick White is expected to sign an extension with Boston.

OG Anunoby will not sign an extension with the Knicks before free agency starts. 

 

Paul George says he will be looking to play "the right kind of baseketball."  People are speculating that means he's  leaving LAC. 

 

[Pancho 45081]

Woj reporting JJ agreed to a 4-year contract to be the HC of the Lakers

[Pam Cummings 9685]

4 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Woj reporting JJ agreed to a 4-year contract to be the HC of the Lakers

[Sbbruin 21900]

Woj reporting JJ agreed to a 4-year contract to be the HC of the Lakers

Sigh...

[gofuckyourself 8387]

As a Spurs fan I want to congratulate the Lakers on somehow getting talented podcaster JJ Redick as their new coach.

[Dutchrudder 11154]

Well now Lebron HAS to return to the Lakers, which was probably the plan all along.  

I still don't understand the logic here, JJ has never been a coach. He has no experience being on that side of the clipboard, so to speak. Giving a rookie coach the reigns for a team expecting to compete for a championship seems like bad idea jeans. 

[Chewbacca 7787]

23 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Well now Lebron HAS to return to the Lakers, which was probably the plan all along.  

I still don't understand the logic here, JJ has never been a coach. He has no experience being on that side of the clipboard, so to speak. Giving a rookie coach the reigns for a team expecting to compete for a championship seems like bad idea jeans. 

Correct.  I love it.

[Blotto 23585]

2 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Not sure how his wife having breast cancer is relevant, although I'm pretty sure that she was cancer-free before he ever took the Detroit job.

And for sure that's a bad roster, but they weren't "longest losing streak in NBA history" bad. He's a terrible, awful, incompetent coach who is both inept with X's and O's and a bad communicator / people person. Bad coach. Bad dude. Incredible contract signer.

I don't usually pay attention to his teams play because they usually suck, but he always struck me as a good dude. 

I remember when he got fired by the Pelicans after getting them back in the playoffs, he had a pretty classy reaction. Little did I know then, it was all part of his master plan to make getting shit-canned into an artform.

[Carl Spackler 3505]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Woj reporting JJ agreed to a 4-year contract to be the HC of the Lakers

Yeah, I'm scratching my head over this one.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18597]

9 minutes ago, Blotto said:

I don't usually pay attention to his teams play because they usually suck, but he always struck me as a good dude. 

I remember when he got fired by the Pelicans after getting them back in the playoffs, he had a pretty classy reaction. Little did I know then, it was all part of his master plan to make getting shit-canned into an artform.

I'm sure I've written this before, but my friend who has worked for the Spurs for forever, only says good things about anybody who has worked/played for them. Except two people: Kawhi Leonard and Monty Williams. And compared to what he says about Monty, he talks about Kawhi Leonard as if he were David Robinson. Pop feels the same way about him (allegedly).  

3 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Yeah, I'm scratching my head over this one.

Let me unscratch it for you: Lebron and Klutch are running the Lakers.

They're a terribly run organization, and have been since the last few years of the Kobe era.

[Carl Spackler 3505]

10 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

I'm sure I've written this before, but my friend who has worked for the Spurs for forever, only says good things about anybody who has worked/played for them. Except two people: Kawhi Leonard and Monty Williams. And compared to what he says about Monty, he talks about Kawhi Leonard as if he were David Robinson. Pop feels the same way about him (allegedly).  

Let me unscratch it for you: Lebron and Klutch are running the Lakers.

They're a terribly run organization, and have been since the last few years of the Kobe era.

Their "influence" is no big secret. 

Even in that context this is a puzzling and risky move -- that's my point.     

[Ricky Butler 2733]

15 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

I'm sure I've written this before, but my friend who has worked for the Spurs for forever, only says good things about anybody who has worked/played for them. Except two people: Kawhi Leonard and Monty Williams. And compared to what he says about Monty, he talks about Kawhi Leonard as if he were David Robinson. Pop feels the same way about him (allegedly).  

Let me unscratch it for you: Lebron and Klutch are running the Lakers.

They're a terribly run organization, and have been since the last few years of the Kobe era.

I feel like that family can't keep up with the Joneses anymore. They probably have the most valuable franchise, but the NBA has become a billionaire boys club.

[RexWilson 1348]

 

[Kermit 3159]

5 minutes ago, RexWilson said:

 

Presti going all in. Hell of an upgrade and he can go within 1000 feet of a school.

[Chewbacca 7787]

Good trade for OKC, but makes you wonder why the Bulls would do it.  

[Pam Cummings 9685]

How is that an equal trade?

[Dutchrudder 11154]

There has to be some picks thrown in for the Bulls. No way they do that without at least a few 2nds. 

[BurntOrangeBlooded15 1566]

Straight up swap.  Presti magic strikes again 

[gsoda3 3283]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrangeBlooded15 said:

Straight up swap.  Presti magic strikes again 

If chicagos going to make trades like this Dallas needs to call them about Josh Green for pwill

[RexWilson 1348]

 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8823]

Good trade for OKC, but makes you wonder why the Bulls would do it.  

Agreed. OKC still has height and body issues, and they were pretty set on perimeter defenders.

A no brainer deal for OKC but I thought Giddey might’ve been their best facilitator not named SGA. Every body else camps on the arc including Caruso

Are they out of the Hartenstein sweepstakes? Cause they’d be nice if yes

[UpperWestside 6191]

3 hours ago, Sbbruin said:

Sigh...

Oh boy is this going to be fun. Now he and Bron can podcast about losses and instead of Bron doing his emoji thing or hidden message deal of being unhappy he can just say it right to the coach for everyone to hear. Should end well.

[Ricky Butler 2733]

Great trade for a team trying to win a championship, but I bet Giddey has a much better career than the NBA twitter hive mind is projecting. OKC is too good to take the ball out of SGA's hands.

Edited June 20 by Ricky Butler

[Ricky Butler 2733]

28 minutes ago, BurntOrangeBlooded15 said:

Straight up swap.  Presti magic strikes again 

He's like Danny Ainge but without a title. 

Edited June 20 by Ricky Butler

[Dutchrudder 11154]

14 minutes ago, Ricky Butler said:

Great trade for a team trying to win a championship, but I bet Giddey has a much better career than the NBA twitter hive mind is projecting. OKC is too good to take the ball out of SGA's hands.

Doesn't he still have a pending investigation into having sex with a minor?  That usually brings down the value of a player. 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8823]

Believe that was settled and the nba moved on from it about when the playoffs started

[Ricky Butler 2733]

2 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Doesn't he still have a pending investigation into having sex with a minor?  That usually brings down the value of a player. 

Can't comment on any of that, and commenting on such things usually makes one look stupid. But yes, I think charges like that would hurt a player's value. But then again Miles Bridges might get 30million a year.

Edited June 20 by Ricky Butler

[Ricky Butler 2733]

1 minute ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Believe that was settled and the nba moved on from it about when the playoffs started

Makes sense. I still see jokes about it but not much reporting. I just thought everyone loved him before OKC got serious about winning, and then this year they saw his issues in a playoff series where margins are so thin. But weird stuff happens with young offensive players. Wasn't Markkanen traded for Larry Nance Jr and a 2nd or something crazy? Maybe the lesson is: The Bulls have no idea how to value players.

[Vic Mackey 47177]

3 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Well now Lebron HAS to return to the Lakers, which was probably the plan all along.  

I still don't understand the logic here, JJ has never been a coach. He has no experience being on that side of the clipboard, so to speak. Giving a rookie coach the reigns for a team expecting to compete for a championship seems like bad idea jeans. 

As long as Lebron is there, no seasoned coach is going near that, nor does Lebron want that. It's his show as long as he is there. We will see if they draft his scrub son so they can play together which has been his goal. 

[Sbbruin 21900]

10 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

As long as Lebron is there, no seasoned coach is going near that, nor does Lebron want that. It's his show as long as he is there. We will see if they draft his scrub son so they can play together which has been his goal. 

They may burn the 55th pick on him, but not a first rounder.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8823]

Bronny will be long gone for the chance of getting lebron to come for the vet minimum

[Chewbacca 7787]

They may burn the 55th pick on him, but not a first rounder.

You sure about that? Gotta snatch him up before someone else does! And he's not taking a 2 way deal.