The WAY too early June Presidential Debate thread

[Biff Tannen 45500]

This shit show happens on Thursday at 8pm central on CNN.  I honestly don't see any upside to it for Biden, unless dotard literally shits on the podium.  Even then, the GQP would just contort themselves into a logic pretzel to find a way to blame it on Biden.  I don't anticipate watching for more than 5-10 minutes.  But figured we might as well have a thread on it because reasons.

[Js1 85117]

I would put money at least once, Trump forgets his microphone is cut off, and he's caught just rambling into an empty mic while Biden is speaking

[immamac 42527]

I'm not so sure you are really in tune with what the Biden campaign is going to do here. I think it's going to be a very entertaining clown show. 

[Bullneck 18987]

Biden is going to stuff him in a locker just like he did the Magats in the House and the Supremes at the State of the Union address.

[WhatTheBuck 28716]

The debate will be simulcast on PBS.

https://www.wskg.org/tv/2024-06-21/pbs-news-special-cnn-presidential-debate-simulcast

[jimmyjazz 45560]

I saw a guy interviewed on a late night show last week who was a speechwriter for Obama and who coached Obama for the 2012 debates.  He said it's difficult for an incumbent POTUS to "win" a debate because it's easy to put the incumbent on the defensive about his record in office, etc.  Obviously, Trump will be out of control and trying to push buttons.  I'll watch.

[Js1 85117]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I saw a guy interviewed on a late night show last week who was a speechwriter for Obama and who coached Obama for the 2012 debates.  He said it's difficult for an incumbent POTUS to "win" a debate because it's easy to put the incumbent on the defensive about his record in office, etc.  Obviously, Trump will be out of control and trying to push buttons.  I'll watch.

In a traditional debate, yes, the incumbent is on the defense. But this is unique because both of them have a 4 year term to defend. And Trump’s was pretty bad for everyone but the richest, whitest and most religious. And it hasn’t been all sunshine and roses for him since November 2020 

[Pancho 44492]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I saw a guy interviewed on a late night show last week who was a speechwriter for Obama and who coached Obama for the 2012 debates.  He said it's difficult for an incumbent POTUS to "win" a debate because it's easy to put the incumbent on the defensive about his record in office, etc.  Obviously, Trump will be out of control and trying to push buttons.  I'll watch.

Probably one of the guys from PSA because that’s the exactly what they said on a podcast a few weeks ago.

[Biff Tannen 45500]

19 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Biden is going to stuff him in a locker just like he did the Magats in the House and the Supremes at the State of the Union address.

Bonjour le dotard!

[jimmyjazz 45560]

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Probably one of the guys from PSA because that’s the exactly what they said on a podcast a few weeks ago.

Yes, it was all 3 of them.  Favreau (not the actor) and two other dudes.  I'm a big help here.

[Red Five 40666]

It would be nice if Biden also had the luxury of being able to say almost anything with no repercussions. This is like having a track meet where it doesn't matter how fast or slow one guy runs. 

[TheStoicPaisano 9904]

Trump hawk tuahs on a dead mic, MAGAts rejoice. 

[David Dennison 18661]

I'm not going to watch, but I look forward to making snarky comments based on posts I see on surly.

[achooloco 1065]

Damn. Would love to head to a few local bars to watch but instead I’ll be in phoenix visiting the GF’s Maga family. They’re normal enough where they can chill without talking politics but can’t see any good coming out of remembering the debate will be on that night. I’m still wearing my Fuck Trump pin 24-7 but do partially hide it while in their house. 

[Jive Turkey 12568]

thankfully i'll be on vacation in Mexico on Thursday night so i won't be tempted to watch this shitshow.  i'll be with my in-laws, who are Fox News watching, Trump voting Republicans.  they're not full blown MAGA, at least not in front of us.  my wife doesn't allow them to talk politics when we're together, but i don't get the sense they're MAGA nutjobs.  FIL is a doctor so at least he was on board with the vaccines.

 so none of us will see this thing live.  but i'm sure i'll hear the in-laws giving the Fox News talking points about the debate the next morning.  they won't say it in front of us, but i'll be able to hear them talking about it.  so i'll know what the right thinks about the debate (assuming it happens, which i still think is a 50/50 proposition).

Edited June 24 by Jive Turkey

[Biff Tannen 45500]

29 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

i'll be with my in-laws, who are Fox News watching, Trump voting Republicans.  they're not full blown MAGA, at least not in front of us.  my wife doesn't allow them to talk politics when we're together, but i don't get the sense they're MAGA nutjobs.  FIL is a doctor so at least he was on board with the vaccines.

Brother?

['stache 21777]

Damn, didn't realize it was this early. I figured don would have backed out by now if its this week. I don't think I can watch, seeing that fat fucking moron ramble knowing that half the fucking country thinks he's great sinks me into a depression spiral. I'll seek out clips after the fact in hopes they are of Biden shutting his shit down. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33844]

dotard is actually free from court dates to attend? shocked.

[Js1 85117]

2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

dotard is actually free from court dates to attend? shocked.

of course he is.  Cannon, SCOTUS and Georgia Appeals made sure of that. 

[Biff Tannen 45500]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

dotard is actually free from court dates to attend? shocked.

Well, there are no more trials.  He was convicted in one and it has been decided that he is above the law in the rest until after the election is over.  Makes total sense to me.

[Jive Turkey 12568]

20 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Brother?

You too?  this will be the first election cycle since we got married.  we were dating in 2020 but with COVID and all, we didn't see her folks that much.  but now with a baby, we see them a lot.  and baby #2 is due in September, so we'll see them a helluva lot this fall around election time.  ugh. 

[Bullneck 18987]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I saw a guy interviewed on a late night show last week who was a speechwriter for Obama and who coached Obama for the 2012 debates.  He said it's difficult for an incumbent POTUS to "win" a debate because it's easy to put the incumbent on the defensive about his record in office, etc.  Obviously, Trump will be out of control and trying to push buttons.  I'll watch.

 

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

In a traditional debate, yes, the incumbent is on the defense. But this is unique because both of them have a 4 year term to defend. And Trump’s was pretty bad for everyone but the richest, whitest and most religious. And it hasn’t been all sunshine and roses for him since November 2020 

I saw Nicole Wallace either Thursday or Friday of last week just rattle off six or seven things that by themselves should resonate with most rational people.  The target audience is probably less than 100,000 people in three states.

Trump has given Biden enough material to work with over the past 8 years so it should be a slam dunk.  

['stache 21777]

2 hours ago, Bullneck said:

 

I saw Nicole Wallace either Thursday or Friday of last week just rattle off six or seven things that by themselves should resonate with most rational people.  The target audience is probably less than 100,000 people in three states.

Trump has given Biden enough material to work with over the past 8 years so it should be a slam dunk.  

That material has been playing nonstop through multiple mediums and half the country still says they're going to vote for him. These people cannot be swayed. They are more than happy to see democracy die in exchange for lib tears. We truly are a country of deplorables.

[hookem2010 2600]

3 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

You too?  this will be the first election cycle since we got married.  we were dating in 2020 but with COVID and all, we didn't see her folks that much.  but now with a baby, we see them a lot.  and baby #2 is due in September, so we'll see them a helluva lot this fall around election time.  ugh. 

This is me, except it's my own parents. 

[Satchel 6908]

I think Trump bone spurs will inflame suddenly, causing him to withdraw from Thursday’s debate.

[Underdog 28457]

3 hours ago, Bullneck said:

 

I saw Nicole Wallace either Thursday or Friday of last week just rattle off six or seven things that by themselves should resonate with most rational people.  The target audience is probably less than 100,000 people in three states.

Trump has given Biden enough material to work with over the past 8 years so it should be a slam dunk.  

We saw that too and I was trying to time stamp a YT video of it and post it but my phone wouldn’t allow.  This was the Biden “ownage” where she said Biden should own up to his age but then rattled off things Biden wouldn’t do to embarrass the Oval Office? 

[Red Five 40666]

If you're Team Biden, and responsible for the prep, what is your goal here? 

I don't think there is really anything he can do to win over the morons who are undecided at this point. Don't look old? Don't fall down? Something like that would be game over, unfortunately, no matter what Trump does.

[immamac 42527]

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

If you're Team Biden, and responsible for the prep, what is your goal here? 

I don't think there is really anything he can do to win over the morons who are undecided at this point. Don't look old? Don't fall down? Something like that would be game over, unfortunately, no matter what Trump does.

attack Trump. Make him look and feel stupid and helpless. Make him lie so badly that the networks have no choice but to say it's a lie. Make him squirm and flail. 

Tump's team has the much harder task. They have to tell him to not say anything fucking insane and he just can't help himself. 

[Hard Times 300]

This will be a laugher. All Biden has to do is remind everyone dotard was found guilty on 34 felonies by a unanimous NY jury and it's all over. End of debate.

[Red Five 40666]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

attack Trump. Make him look and feel stupid and helpless. Make him lie so badly that the networks have no choice but to say it's a lie. Make him squirm and flail. 

Tump's team has the much harder task. They have to tell him to not say anything fucking insane and he just can't help himself. 

Not to go full Brisket, but how would that make a difference? All he does is lie. Since 2015. And all he does is say insane things. The people that don't care, don't care.

[dcbc 14415]

21 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Not to go full Brisket, but how would that make a difference? All he does is lie. Since 2015. And all he does is say insane things. The people that don't care, don't care.

This is correct, but some people have incredibly short memories, voted for Biden in 2020, and somehow identify as undecided.  I wouldn't call them the brightest.  But I'm told they're out there.

[WhatTheBuck 28716]

38 minutes ago, Red Five said:

If you're Team Biden, and responsible for the prep, what is your goal here? 

I don't think there is really anything he can do to win over the morons who are undecided at this point. Don't look old? Don't fall down? Something like that would be game over, unfortunately, no matter what Trump does.

Exceed expectations. Like he always does. 

[WhatTheBuck 28716]

31 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

This will be a laugher. All Biden has to do is remind everyone dotard was found guilty on 34 felonies by a unanimous NY jury and it's all over. End of debate.

He could also remind them how many millions of dollars Trump was fined for defaming the woman he sexually assaulted. 

[Chuckie Finster 22600]

Biden wins if he doesn't have a viral "old" moment.

I wish I was more confident in his ability to clear this hurdle.

[Red Five 40666]

3 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Biden wins if he doesn't have a viral "old" moment.

I wish I was more confident in his ability to clear this hurdle.

I know. He IS old. He's 81 but looks and acts 90. A trip and a fall and that's probably game over.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5784]

Wanna have you near me
I wanna have you hear me sayin'
"No one needs you more than I need you"

[Biff Tannen 45500]

1 hour ago, Satchel said:

I think Trump bone spurs will inflame suddenly, causing him to withdraw from Thursday’s debate.

I think he shows up, but there's a 50%+ chance he quits and storms off mid-debate.

[Chuckie Finster 22600]

5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I know. He IS old. He's 81 but looks and acts 90. A trip and a fall and that's probably game over.

It's his biggest weakness.  I truly think his brain is still firing on all cylinders, but his body just looks and sounds so goddamn old all the time.

Meanwhile, Trump has mashed potatoes in his skull but still has the energy of a much younger man... hence the fucked up perception of the candidates.

[Biff Tannen 45500]

9 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I know. He IS old. He's 81 but looks and acts 90. A trip and a fall and that's probably game over.

Don't even put that shit into the ether man.

[Js1 85117]

1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

but still has the energy of a much younger man

[David Dennison 18661]

11 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I know. He IS old. He's 81 but looks and acts 90. A trip and a fall and that's probably game over.

Nah. He looks and acts 81.

[BamaATL 16592]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

I think he shows up, but there's a 50%+ chance he quits and storms off mid-debate.

I'm in the same camp at this point.  Bully gets punched in the mouth a couple of times and leaves to whine about how unfair it is, then his team spins it to his base about how he was being strong and standing up for himself.  The reality is, he's a giant pussy.  Ever been in a fight with a bully?  That's how it goes all the bravado goes out the window the second they take a shot, and generally they can't cope.  In the interim, he'll roll out his greatest hits of grievance that no one will give a shit about, that's about it.  

[tx 3 putt 76414]

Just remember that Trump has already said he’s going to give a bad performance on purpose 

5-D chess 

[Pancho 44492]

Anyone else think he’s going to pull out at the last minute?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[A-Tex Devil 2445]

I do think Trump walking off the set is very much in play.  In fact, I could see him ramble through his opening statement, get muted when his time is up, then walk off.  

[DDD Dad 14252]

I fully expect Trump to try to insult the moderators, refuse to follow whatever rules they will have agreed to in advance, and then generally make an ass of himself.  In other words, just another Thursday for him.

[Underdog 28457]

I expect him to choke to death on a Big Mac on stage, or at least that’s what I’m wishing for. 

[Pancho 44492]

Well the trial run today is the “if CNN doesn’t apologize to the turnp spokesperson he should cancel the debate”

 

Looks like they are seeing if the bit that bitch did with Kacie this morning will work in getting him to not debate.

[tx 3 putt 76414]

Intense debate prepping ……

 

[Bullneck 18987]

2 hours ago, Red Five said:

If you're Team Biden, and responsible for the prep, what is your goal here? 

I don't think there is really anything he can do to win over the morons who are undecided at this point. Don't look old? Don't fall down? Something like that would be game over, unfortunately, no matter what Trump does.

21 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Well the trial run today is the “if CNN doesn’t apologize to the turnp spokesperson he should cancel the debate”

Looks like they are seeing if the bit that bitch did with Kacie this morning will work in getting him to not debate.

I missed that.  What was it?

Edited June 24 by Bullneck