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3 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

Tom Izzo is a damned magician. What he does every year is amazing.

It's ashame he doesn't have any perimeter game else Sparty might be in San Antonio.

It still could.

Posted
5 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

Points are really at a premium in this Drake v Bradley game.

That’s Drake’s game.  Gonna either piss someone off big time in 2 weeks, or result in them getting blown out.

Posted
6 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

Tom Izzo is a damned magician. What he does every year is amazing.

15-13, 23-13, 21-13, 20-15 the previous 4 years till now.  He hasn't gone full Mack Brown yet, but all this "you don't want to see a Tom Izzo team in March/Tom Izzo is a magician" narrative is purely coasting on legacy until proven otherwise at this point.

Posted
15 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

15-13, 23-13, 21-13, 20-15 the previous 4 years till now.  He hasn't gone full Mack Brown yet, but all this "you don't want to see a Tom Izzo team in March/Tom Izzo is a magician" narrative is purely coasting on legacy until proven otherwise at this point.

They just won the B10.

Posted (edited)
56 minutes ago, ztejas said:

They just won the B10.

Yes they did, after 4 years of pure mediocrity.  Izzo didn't earn his rep being above average once every five years (and we've yet to see how the 1 plays out in the postseason).  Maybe that would be fine if he were starting out and building MSU from rock bottom, but they're supposed to be a tier or two below perennial contenders, not one year out of five look like a team that should make it past the round of 32.

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39 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

Yes they did, after 4 years of pure mediocrity.  Izzo didn't earn his rep being above average once every five years (and we've yet to see how the 1 plays out in the postseason).  Maybe that would be fine if he were starting out and building MSU from rock bottom, but they're supposed to be a tier or two below perennial contenders, not one year out of five look like a team that should make it past the round of 32.

He had a bad couple of classes. It happens. 30 years, 11 conference titles, 8 final fours and a national championship. The numbers bear out a story pretty similar to the one you're belittling. His teams compete for the tournament every single year, a conference title and final four roughly once every 3 years, and a national championship once every 6-7 years. They are not Duke. They are not Kansas. Otherwise...not too shabby. 

Also here is a reminder that Cassius Winston was going to win a National Championship in 2020 but the tournament was cancelled. 

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20 minutes ago, Baboontyme said:

He had a bad couple of classes. It happens. 30 years, 11 conference titles, 8 final fours and a national championship. The numbers bear out a story pretty similar to the one you're belittling. His teams compete for the tournament every single year, a conference title and final four roughly once every 3 years, and a national championship once every 6-7 years. They are not Duke. They are not Kansas. Otherwise...not too shabby. 

Also here is a reminder that Cassius Winston was going to win a National Championship in 2020 but the tournament was cancelled. 

Career-wise, Izzo is a notch or two below K, Roy Williams, Self, etc...I am by no means belittling his body of work.  I do take issue with the whole "Izzo magic" at this point given the recent history.  Yeah he can throw together a great team every once in awhile, but outside of those outliers, it seems like he's lost his fastball in terms of getting more out of less.

And it's not just Izzo.  I thought for years the last 7-8 years of K's career he just managed to pull in top recruiting classes and the talent gap did most of the work where earlier in his career it seemed like the Duke players grew their games under his coaching.

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12 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

Career-wise, Izzo is a notch or two below K, Roy Williams, Self, etc...I am by no means belittling his body of work.  I do take issue with the whole "Izzo magic" at this point given the recent history.  Yeah he can throw together a great team every once in awhile, but outside of those outliers, it seems like he's lost his fastball in terms of getting more out of less.

That's totally fair, especially given the context of the past few years but I'm also old enough to remember when many counted him out as a one class/period wonder in 2003 because they hadn't made a run since the Flintstone/JRich class, and again in '08, '12, you name it. A 3-4 year gap in between final four runs is a crisis at Michigan State it seems. It also seems like 98 percent of the other D1 college basketball programs would be pretty happy to inherit that problem. I don't think he's washed just yet, and even if if he was, I'm the type that is of the mindset that he can go out however he wants. Absolute legend. 

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