Star Wars Episode IX

[Trey3216 15345]

1 hour ago, BrickHorn said:

I have a bad feeling about this:

 

 

Exactly what was streamlined about TLJ?   lol    Whomever wrote that had to have done so with a smirk.  

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20 minutes ago, mdmost said:

So Disney could force them to review TLJ positively but Disney isn't forcing them to review RoS positively or manipulate this to have good reviews to help it make more money? 

They did a better job of rigging the game last time, in a better environment for rigging the game last time.  This isn't that hard.

[oSuJeff97 3435]

Owen Glieberman's review in Variety seems pretty fair, in that he does his best to judge the movie on its own merits, not through the lens of how he felt about TLJ.  It's a generally positive review.

It includes some very minor spoilers (nothing that wasn't in the trailers), so don't click if your'e trying to go in 100% spoiler-free:

https://variety.com/2019/film/reviews/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review-daisy-ridley-adam-driver-jj-abrams-1203445811/

 

 

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

I'm expecting this to be so terrible that people start viewing TLJ as the best movie in this new trilogy.

[Trey3216 15345]

10 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Owen Glieberman's review in Variety seems pretty fair, in that he does his best to judge the movie on its own merits, not through the lens of how he felt about TLJ.  It's a generally positive review.

It includes some very minor spoilers (nothing that wasn't in the trailers), so don't click if your'e trying to go in 100% spoiler-free:

https://variety.com/2019/film/reviews/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review-daisy-ridley-adam-driver-jj-abrams-1203445811/

 

 

That is a pretty damn fair write-up.  If that's the movie we get, it'll be a pretty successful rescue of the disjointedness that was TLJ.  

[Murfdogg21 4412]

Are movies made for reviewers or for fans? Who gives a shit if some Cannes and Sundance types got boners over Rian Johnson if 90% of the fan base hates it and feels like: 1. You ruined the legacy of their childhood heroes; 2. You blew the only chance for an epilogue of those characters because Carrie Fisher died and Hammill and Ford are old AF. 

[oSuJeff97 3435]

10 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

That is a pretty damn fair write-up.  If that's the movie we get, it'll be a pretty successful rescue of the disjointedness that was TLJ.  

That was my exact reaction.

[crash_davis 23103]

1 hour ago, alincoln said:

The reddit leaks have been confirmed as almost entirely accurate.

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They actually reveal the return of Palpatine in the opening crawl.  

 

that at this day and age that people still questions movie/film leaks is amazing. there are so many people involved in shooting a movie. add in the screening or multiple screenings (cause almost no movie is released without at least one audience screening for the studios to know if they have a hit or absolute shit on their hands) and you have hundreds and maybe thousands of sources for leaks. and when you have multiple sources of leaks which basically say the same thing, it just adds validity to the leaks.

jj's hands were tied with what rian with an "i" left him. the movie introduces a lot of new shit and story lines which makes it obvious that jj/the writers were trying to reign back the subversion (GOT D&D type shit) that rian with an "i" added just fucking because. this is what happens when you into a trilogy without a central story line and let everyone do their own shit. 

if i hired three architects to independently design my house into 3 sections, i should not be surprised if the whole thing looks like a complete fucking mess.

 

[oSuJeff97 3435]

1 minute ago, crash_davis said:

that at this day and age that people still questions movie/film leaks is amazing. there are so many people involved in shooting a movie. add in the screening or multiple screenings (cause almost no movie is released without at least one audience screening for the studios to know if they have a hit or absolute shit on their hands) and you have hundreds and maybe thousands of sources for leaks. and when you have multiple sources of leaks which basically say the same thing, it just adds validity to the leaks.

jj's hands were tied with what rian with an "i" left him. the movie introduces a lot of new shit and story lines which makes it obvious that jj/the writers were trying to reign back the subversion (GOT D&D type shit) that rian with an "i" added just fucking because. this is what happens when you into a trilogy without a central story line and let everyone do their own shit. 

if i hired three architects to independently design my house into 3 sections, i should not be surprised if the whole thing looks like a complete fucking mess.

 

Exactly.

Not that this is a big revelation, but they should have had Rian Johnson do a stand-alone/anthology movie... basically let him do his Rogue One.  I bet he would have come up with something cool and interesting that would have been just fine as a standalone film outside of the main Skywalker saga.

J.J. Abrams should have just been in charge of the entire new trilogy.  The should have him and a core writing team map out the entire three-movie story and then bring in a hired gun director if he didn't feel like or hive time to direct all three films. Hell, someone like Ron Howard would have been perfect for something like that.

Hopefully, with the success of The Mandalorian, Dave Filoni will become the grand master of everything Star Wars story related.

[crash_davis 23103]

2 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Exactly.

Not that this is a big revelation, but they should have had Rian Johnson do a stand-alone/anthology movie... basically let him do his Rogue One.  I bet he would have come up with something cool and interesting that would have been just fine as a standalone film outside of the main Skywalker saga.

J.J. Abrams should have just been in charge of the entire new trilogy.  The should have him and a core writing team map out the entire three-movie story and then bring in a hired gun director if he didn't feel like or hive time to direct all three films. Hell, someone like Ron Howard would have been perfect for something like that.

Hopefully, with the success of The Mandalorian, Dave Filoni will become the grand master of everything Star Wars story related.

the sad thing is that marvel gave everyone the blueprint for how to successfully create seemingly disparate movies into a cohesive whole. the fact that star wars and DC still can't get it right fucking amazes me. just have a central core team which dictate the central story lines which each movie must add and adhere to. you can still go off and do great creative stuff but have important story lines followed throughout.

[Trey3216 15345]

Seems like most of the negative reviews are bitching that the movie is a giant 'fan-fiction wrap up of the anthology'.  Well, no shit.  They didn't make 9 films for you critics to fan your own egos.  

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

So Disney could force them to review TLJ positively but Disney isn't forcing them to review RoS positively or manipulate this to have good reviews to help it make more money? 

There’s no planned/upcoming Star Wars movies to hold over their heads, and because this wraps up a 9-movie series, there’s some finality.  

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38 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

Are movies made for reviewers or for fans? Who gives a shit if some Cannes and Sundance types got boners over Rian Johnson if 90% of the fan base hates it and feels like: 1. You ruined the legacy of their childhood heroes; 2. You blew the only chance for an epilogue of those characters because Carrie Fisher died and Hammill and Ford are old AF. 

Abrams and Kennedy are ultimately to blame.  It’s fine that Harrison would only come back if they killed him off.  And it’s fine if Abrams wants to be lazy and remake A New Hope.  

For many, it’s not fine that Abrams obliterated the happy ending of ROTJ, and it was the last chance to have Han/Luke/Leia together one last time, and Abrams completely whiffed on it.  And Kennedy or somebody above her should have said “you need the trio together one last time”.     

Edited December 18, 2019 by atomheartbevo

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35 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

jj's hands were tied with what rian with an "i" left him. the movie introduces a lot of new shit and story lines which makes it obvious that jj/the writers were trying to reign back the subversion (GOT D&D type shit) that rian with an "i" added just fucking because. this is what happens when you into a trilogy without a central story line and let everyone do their own shit. 

if i hired three architects to independently design my house into 3 sections, i should not be surprised if the whole thing looks like a complete fucking mess.

JJ is to blame, because he tied Rian’s hands by leaving no outlines for tying things up, etc.   And JJ made it worse by publicly championing Rian and giving everybody the impression that there was a coherent arc when TLJ was in production.   JJ wanted to remake A New Hope, and he got his wish, only there wasn’t a good way to follow it up with an ESB.

By even hinting that Palps is coming back in the trailer, he’s telling everybody that he’s run out of creativity and is going back to the well.  

Edited December 18, 2019 by atomheartbevo

[CurlyDumps 4468]

 So the first half is JJ trying to get his shitty derivative story back on track. And the second half is JJ being forced to wrap it all up, since he can't kick the can down the road with vague, mysterious cut-aways.  Sounds like a real treat! 

 

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the atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/12/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review/603790/

The Most Incoherent Star Wars Movie Ever Made
The Rise of Skywalker, the saga’s ninth entry, all but drowns in a sea of nostalgia and infinite plot points.

but also in the atlantic review, which would indicate they don't get it:

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Charming characters from the last installment, such as Rose Tico (Kelly Marie Tran), are sadly sidelined, and Johnson’s core argument about the irrelevance of the past has been swiftly forgotten.

 

[Murfdogg21 4412]

2 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Owen Glieberman's review in Variety seems pretty fair, in that he does his best to judge the movie on its own merits, not through the lens of how he felt about TLJ.  It's a generally positive review.

It includes some very minor spoilers (nothing that wasn't in the trailers), so don't click if your'e trying to go in 100% spoiler-free:

https://variety.com/2019/film/reviews/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review-daisy-ridley-adam-driver-jj-abrams-1203445811/

 

 

Nice review until he gets into his personal political opinions at the end. 

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Charming?  Is that how useless and annoying is now being positioned?

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3 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

Charming characters from the last installment, such as Rose Tico (Kelly Marie Tran), are sadly sidelined, and Johnson’s core argument about the irrelevance of the past has been swiftly forgotten.

Shit like this pisses me off.  It's so fucking easy to say, "oh, of course the fanbois didn't like TLJ; it didn't pander to their nostalgia and had too many womenz and minorities."  Rian could have successfully pulled off his "past doesn't matter" thematic series departure IF he wrapped it up in halfway decent fucking movie, not a boring slow speed chase, plot hole ridden, poorly edited,  insultingly stupid mess.  I don't care about the legacy of Star Wars; I just want to be entertained.  I didn't hate TLJ because of Rose; I hated it because it sucked, even as a completely standalone movie.

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1 minute ago, longhornmatt said:

I am starting to think I might legitimately enjoy this movie if the criticism is that it ignores everything TLJ did and shamelessly appeals to nostalgia.  

that's sort of where i am at right now.

[mdmost 43001]

It's JJ Abrams, why would you expect anything different than that? I do enjoy the idea that he has no more mystery boxes he can leave in a movie that wraps up a saga. 

Edited December 18, 2019 by mdmost

[Red Five 40847]

I am starting to think I might legitimately enjoy this movie if the criticism is that it ignores everything TLJ did and shamelessly appeals to nostalgia.  

Yup.

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

There’s no planned/upcoming Star Wars movies to hold over their heads, and because this wraps up a 9-movie series, there’s some finality.  

Nothing’s ever really gone

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nothing ever ends.

[Murfdogg21 4412]

We didn’t hate Rose because she is a woman or asian. We hate her because she is stupid and annoying. 

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

35 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

Johnson’s core argument about the irrelevance of the past

Earth to Atlantic writer, it's a space western for kids, it doesn't need to have a core argument

[crash_davis 23103]

16 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

We didn’t hate Rose because she is a woman or asian. We hate her because she is stupid and annoying. 

and add's no value to the story line or cast of characters. 

a director and writer can add all the pc shit that he/she wants. just make the story line and character interesting. many of the characters in tlj could be removed from the film and nothing about the film or plot (whatever plot there was) would change. that's why it was a shitty movie.

Edited December 18, 2019 by crash_davis

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4 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

I want to see this really badly now just to find out how it’s possible for a movie to make TLJ seem like a really cohesive and streamlined story by comparison.

I was going to post this very nearly verbatim when I read the trigger quote.

Holy dumpster fire Batman

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34 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

We didn’t hate Rose because she is a woman or asian. We hate her because she is stupid and annoying. 

shows what you know.  my kids have been BEGGING for Rose Tico action figures.

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53 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

We didn’t hate Rose because she is a woman or asian. We hate her because she is stupid and annoying. 

Actually, I hated her because her personality reminded me of an ex-girlfriend.  
 

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Edited December 18, 2019 by atomheartbevo

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23 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

shows what you know.  my kids have been BEGGING for Rose Tico action figures.

When you look through the Rose Tico action figures, many seem to be heavily discounted, some more than 50% off.   Along with General Hux and Benicio del Toro’s characters.  
 

Back when I was a kid, the figures that nobody wanted ended up being worth a shitload decades later.  Don’t think that will happen here.   

[Dutchrudder 11136]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

JJ is to blame, because he tied Rian’s hands by leaving no outlines for tying things up, etc.   And JJ made it worse by publicly championing Rian and giving everybody the impression that there was a coherent arc when TLJ was in production.   JJ wanted to remake A New Hope, and he got his wish, only there wasn’t a good way to follow it up with an ESB.

By even hinting that Palps is coming back in the trailer, he’s telling everybody that he’s run out of creativity and is going back to the well.  

Why do you post fake news like this? This story has been out for years now, JJ had a script of Episodes 8/9 after writing TFA, and Rian Johnson decided to write his own movie instead. Rian willingly departed from JJ"s story, and made it his own, which is why it is so disjointed from 7. The funny thing is, according to Daisey Ridley, the only part of TLJ that JJ really influenced was the Luke/Rey training, which was probably the best part of the movie. That part had to be fleshed out pretty well if it was considered to be included in Episode 7. 

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Ridley revealed to Geek Le Mag that J.J. Abrams, who directed and co-wrote The Force Awakens, also wrote scripts for Episode VIII and IX before Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow jumped in to direct the sequels. 

"Here’s what I think I know. J.J. wrote Episode VII, as well as drafts for VIII & IX," Ridley said. "Then Rian Johnson arrived and wrote TLJ entirely. I believe there was some sort of general consensus on the main lines of the trilogy, but apart from that, every director writes and realizes his film in his own way."

Exactly how much of the Sequel Trilogy was outlined in the early days of development by Abrams and the Lucasfilm Story Group remains a bit hazy, but we do know that Abrams and Johnson collaborated when it came to bridging the gap between The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. Johnson, for example, asked Abrams to send R2-D2 on the mission to find Luke Skywalker instead of BB-8 so that the astromech droid could play back Leia's original message to Obi-Wan Kenobi for Luke in The Last Jedi. 

"Rian Johnson and J. J. Abrams met to discuss all of this, although Episode VIII is still his very own work," Ridley explained of Abrams' involvement with The Last Jedi. "I believe Rian didn’t keep anything from the first draft of Episode VIII."

We do know that Abrams, at the very least, had a hand in crafting Rey and Luke's story in The Last Jedi. In fact, the setup of a broken Luke teaching a new Jedi hopeful was originally the basis for The Force Awakens before the original screenwriter, Michael Arndt, suggested pushing the Luke reveal to the end of the movie instead. Something even wilder: Lucas himself sat in on these early creative meetings.

While Abrams did not end up being the writer of Episode VIII, he is set to return as the co-writer (with Chris Terrio) and director of Episode IX after replacing Trevorrow in 2017. Abrams updated fans on the status of IX back in February, revealing that the script is finished and that filming will begin in July. 

https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/271448/star-wars-rian-johnson-scrapped-jj-abrams-episode-viii-script

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hard to know what to infer from action figure sales, Star Wars figures were a big deal when we were kids and your options were action figures, Intellevision, or "hit the fat kid next door with a stick". 

[Red Five 40847]

I want to know what Trevorrow was planning that made them cut him loose.

[fellside 1113]

Star Wars has me in this awkward place where I disagree with everyone.

Fans were stupid to make the movies about themselves and their theories about Rey and Snoke.  And those fans are childish for throwing tantrums when movies don't develop a story to follow their fan fiction.  Rian Johnson was right to push the movie in the direction he did.

On the other hand, The Last Jedi had bad dialogue and dumb side stories.  Anything that wasn't Rey and Kylo was convoluted.

On the other hand, the Rey and Kylo stuff was as good as anything Star Wars related.  

If JJ Abrams is giving fans what they want without addressing the actual issues, then I'm guessing everyone will hate this movie and nobody will know why because they've spent years debating the thing that doesn't matter.

Edited December 18, 2019 by fellside

[David Dennison 18851]

The truth is, the last good Star Wars movie was made in 1980.

 

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[XYZ 2154]

24 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The truth is, the last good Star Wars movie was made in 1980.

1983.

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9 hours ago, Red Five said:

I want to know what Trevorrow was planning that made them cut him loose.

Chick in the cantina with 3 tits, Disney horrified.

[Trey3216 15345]

So are we creating a "I've seen Star Wars Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker Reddit Spoilers Proven True or Not" thread??  

[mdmost 43001]

Done

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

19 hours ago, fellside said:

Rian Johnson was right to push the movie in the direction he did.

He was arguably right to try to push the franchise in the direction he did. The way he tried to do it-- in one movie, and with the choices he made-- was absolutely terrible.

Star Wars needed to be free to go in new directions, but "never mind anything from The Force Awakens, that shit was gay, also fuck Luke Skywalker" wasn't the way to enable that.

[Levi 2585]

9 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

He was arguably right to try to push the franchise in the direction he did. The way he tried to do it-- in one movie, and with the choices he made-- was absolutely terrible.

Star Wars needed to be free to go in new directions, but "never mind anything from The Force Awakens, that shit was gay, also fuck Luke Skywalker" wasn't the way to enable that.

Yup, It was failed execution that hurt Rian the most. But there were things in his story that shouldn’t have even been attempted— slow chase scene or Finn/Rose casino scene. 

[oSuJeff97 3435]

21 hours ago, David Dennison said:

The truth is, the last good Star Wars movie was made in 1980.

 

Wrong.

Return of the Jedi is good.

Rogue One is good.

I'd even argue Solo is good for what it is.

[alincoln 2371]

I'll always be amazed by how badly Lucas fucked up the prequels.  How do you air ball the Rise and Fall of Anakin Skywalker?  

The sequel trilogy is just pointless.  

[Guest Lobo]

I’m not as big a fan of the franchise as most of you but I thought rogue one and the force awakens were pretty good films.  
 

And I’d like some sort of free trial offer so I can watch the Mandalorian to see my little friend baby Yoda

[mdmost 43001]

It's $7 a month. You can't afford $7?

[Guest Lobo]

Nope.