Star Wars Episode IX

[Levi 2592]

20 hours ago, aggie08 said:

This. It was fine, but I've never had the slightest desire to watch it again.

Also, I didn't find The Mandalorian to be anything special. Just a formulaic procedural...good guy trusts someone that he shouldn't, gets betrayed, has to fix busted ship at some point, "greatest warrior alive" gets his ass kicked and/or shot by human/alien/animal only to be saved by magical MacGuffin armor, rinse and repeat every episode. But "decent" for Star Wars in 2020 may as well be utterly brilliant. The universe is so ripe for interesting storytelling that I'm at least excited to see where it goes.

Mando was kick ass!!

2 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

 

Do most people you know even remember the characters’ names in Rogue One without looking it up?  And that was the “good” one.  These are basically Michael Bay or Fast and Furious movies at this point, except in a way worse since they’re actually not as funny as a Michael Bay movie and they’re held up as continuations of the OT so people keep expecting them to be magical.

I would think that yes, if you like a film and enjoyed watching it then you’ll know the characters names — opposite if you didn’t like it. Comparing the saga to Bay or F&F is a stretch. Rogue One was a great SW film IMO because it portrays sacrifice really well. It was original in terms of something we haven’t seen in the SW films, too. It had it’s bad moments like all Star Wars movies do but overall it’s one of the best, especially from Disney. 

[Red Five 40881]

2 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

My list wasn’t in ranked order, but I would absolutely include the Darth Maul battle as something that has held up better than Anakin and Obi battle.   People remember that one for lasting 30 minutes and for the “high ground” inexplicably being the resolution to a fight between space wizards with omnipotent powers on a lava planet.  

Also, "I wish they would get all this CGI off the screen so I could actually focus on this lightsaber battle I've been waiting 30 years to see."

I remember on the dvd extras there's a segment where they're talking about how it took like three months to create this one CGI shot of Obi-wan and Anakin completely surrounded by lava. And it looked like shit. 

[UT_OB1 2224]

On 5/6/2020 at 8:08 PM, Red Five said:

Also, "I wish they would get all this CGI off the screen so I could actually focus on this lightsaber battle I've been waiting 30 years to see."

I remember on the dvd extras there's a segment where they're talking about how it took like three months to create this one CGI shot of Obi-wan and Anakin completely surrounded by lava. And it looked like shit. 

I actually thought the lightsaber duel on the death star remains in RoS was pretty good. 

Edited May 8, 2020 by UT_OB1

[WBT 20655]

On 5/6/2020 at 8:08 PM, Red Five said:

Also, "I wish they would get all this CGI off the screen so I could actually focus on this lightsaber battle I've been waiting 30 years to see."

I remember on the dvd extras there's a segment where they're talking about how it took like three months to create this one CGI shot of Obi-wan and Anakin completely surrounded by lava. And it looked like shit. 

God yes.  The entire PT was a CGI shitfest.  The originals made with practical effects 20 years earlier looked better.

[billfromlaketravis 11522]

Farveau gets it. There has to be consequences in story telling. We all loved IG and Kuiil, but they have to die to tell the story effectively. 
 

[ajax 2620]

Are they serious? Is Disney actually going to copy WB?

I hope they do release it. It'll be hilarious.

Release the Abrams cut!

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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Abrams Cut Reportedly Exists, Is Close To 4 Hours

 

[mdmost 43035]

I'd rather see the Colin Trevorrow script made into an animated movie than sit through another JJ Abrams shitfest. 

And yeah, this seems real legit. Perhaps stop publishing articles based on reddit leaks. 

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 Of course, we should point out that the leak originated on Reddit from a so-called ‘Lucasfilm insider’ who worked on the Sequel Trilogy but deleted their account shortly after posting these purported revelations, so you may want to take this with a grain of salt. But if you’re curious, you can check out some of what they had to say below.

“Abrams initially had hoped to work with George Lucas. That didn’t work out. When George walked, J.J. had almost attempted the same. Bob Iger stopped him… Rey was to be the granddaughter of Anakin, eventually pushing for her to be Luke’s daughter he had with a fellow rebel after the war. Kylo and Rey’s relationship was more tragic, with Rey wanting to put him out of his misery and Kylo wanting to be free. Abrams had seen Kylo as a tragic villain and wanted to tell a dark what-if story to the redemption of Vader. Ben Solo would have always been redeemed, but only through death.”

I'm pretty sure Daisy Ridley said that Rey going from nobody to a Palpatine was a very last minute change by JJ. 

Edited April 15, 2021 by mdmost

[TOR 5810]

Boba gained a shit load of weight inside that sarlacc.

[Snake Diggity 4627]

On 5/4/2020 at 8:11 PM, Red Five said:

I don't know. We all have our "here's what Lucas should have done with the prequels" ideas (Hayden has written books on this, imo) but I'm not sure what Abrams could have done with this after what he was left. Han, Luke, and Carrie Fisher were all dead and so was the big bad guy from the first two movies. There really wasn't a movie to be made, plot wise. So yeah, "hey look at this! Look at that! Quick don't stop to think. Hey look it's the Emperor! He's back! How? Doesn't matter. Hey look it's Lando! Remember Lando? Isn't this fun?"

 

On 5/6/2020 at 6:06 PM, HookEm said:

I don't remember much of the last two movies, so forgive me if I get some things wrong, but here is how I would have ended it. 

Obviously, we need a big bad.  That big bad has to be either Kylo or Rey.  Everybody half-expected Rey to flip, so that is too predictable.  Plus it would require Kylo flipping the other way for balance.  So it has to be Kylo.

So if Kylo is indeed the big bad, you have to lean into it and make him even more evil.  And make him bad ass while you are at it.  One of the great things about the original trilogy is that Luke went from being whiny kid to bad ass.  Repeat that here.  Kylo goes from being a kinda powerful whiny kid to being a very powerful and very cunning.  But you don't need him to be any more powerful with the force (by inventing any stupid new tricks), you need him to be more mentally powerful.  Give him some credibility that he can actually win and rule.

That starts with him killing Leah.  Build some depth with him struggling over the decision or whatever, and then have him kill her anyway.  Either way, she has to go in the first 5 minutes of the movie. She is terrible and actually dead in real life. Too distracting otherwise. 

To really save the series though you need a shocking ending.  And the best ending would be for the bad guys to win.  Let Kylo try to turn Rey.  How to do that?  Take a page from the OT.  Capture all her friends, but this time actually start killing them one by one.  Darken this mofo up.  After they are all dead, she has an almost turn similar to Luke.  But in the end he kills her in a way that can leave no doubts and ascends to universal dominance.

Maybe a final scene with Kylo looking into space like Luke and Leah did at the end of Episode V.  Or Al Pacino in Godfather 2.  Wondering if it was worth it.  If the Michael Jordan documentary has taught us anything it is that we love someone with singular focus even if they are an a-hole.  Make Kylo that a-hole.

This is solid.  TFA and TLJ were fine.  I wish TLJ had left out the Leah Poppins shit and everything involving the casino planet and the entire Finn/Rose plot lines, but whatever.

A summary of what a “good” Episode 9 would’ve looked like:

Crawl: First Order thrives under Kylo, Poe Dameron is missing.

Kylo kills Leah.  He’s officially a piece of shit.

Kylo/Rey confrontation 1: Kylo gets upper hand and Rose/Finn sacrifice themselves to let her escape.

Force ghost Palpatine trains Kylo

Force ghosts Anakin, Obi, Luke, Leah, Yoda, and Qui-Gonn train Rey

Kylo/Rey confrontation 2: Knights of Ren with Kylo overwhelm Rey and all looks lost for the Resistance/Republic until Poe arrives in his x-wing flanked by Lando/Chewie in the Falcon and the recruits Poe has been off gathering.  Knights of Ren defeated and Rey gets upper hand on Kylo.  She kills Kylo.  Good side wins, until next time.

Lessons of the movie: 

A nobody (Rey) can just be a nobody and still be the hero.

Sometimes bad guys (Kylo) are irredeemable and you gotta cut em loose.

The fight for good never truly ends.

Edited April 13, 2022 by Snake Diggity

[HookEm 2467]

Ha. I forgot about this thread and my alternate ending.  That was some solid work lost to the internets.  Honestly anything would be better than what they did.

[elfenix 34331]

6 hours ago, Snake Diggity said:

A nobody (Rey) can just be a nobody and still be the hero.

i really hated how abrams botched this. 

if it was just going to be crazy emperor clone with a ghost fleet at his beckon, well, we already had that with timothy zahn. 

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2 minutes ago, elfenix said:

if it was just going to be crazy emperor clone with a ghost fleet at his beckon, well, we already had that with timothy zahn. 

And I have no doubt that JJ and Co. knew about the Zahn books.

Fucking hacks.

[oSuJeff97 3435]

16 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

And I have no doubt that JJ and Co. knew about the Zahn books.

Fucking hacks.

Oh what could have been if Lucasfilm realized what they had in Dave Filoni circa 2014.

I know this has been said and lamented many times, but imagine a sequel trilogy with Dave Filoni creating a three-movie story arc and the whole thing run by Faverau. {sigh}

[BrickHorn 18282]

The PT and ST are garbage. They aren’t worth watching or discussing and they water down what was otherwise the groundbreaking, superbly constructed OT.

The only value of the PT and ST is their role as inspiration for the insightful and hilarious classic takedowns of them by Red Letter Media.

Edited April 14, 2022 by BrickHorn

[Red Five 40881]

42 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

The PT and ST are garbage. They aren’t worth watching or discussing and they water down what was otherwise the groundbreaking, superbly constructed OT.

The only value of the PT and ST is their role as inspiration for the insightful and hilarious classic takedowns of them by Red Letter Media.

I think if you made me choose how to spend the next seven hours, watching the prequels or sequels, I'd choose the prequels. At least there were some fun scenes in those movies and they weren't depressing.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

6 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I think if you made me choose how to spend the next seven hours, watching the prequels or sequels, I'd choose the prequels. At least there were some fun scenes in those movies and they weren't depressing.

i'd watch the red letter media reviews again.  that's seven hours of quality entertainment.

[Red Five 40881]

4 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

i'd watch the red letter media reviews again.  that's seven hours of quality entertainment.

Oh yeah, that's no contest.

[Armybrat 40881]

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I misread it as Star Wars X and I thought there was another movie coming out.

[UT_OB1 2224]

This thread. 
 

[mdmost 43035]

Somehow this thread returned

[Biff Tannen 45712]

On 9/9/2022 at 6:49 AM, mdmost said:

Somehow this thread returned

Yeah, with a meme from episode III no less