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https://newsroom.heb.com/h-e-b-partners-with-ut-austins-three-time-ncaa-champion-madi-skinner-for-first-nil-deal/ H-E-B Partners With UT Austin’s Three-time NCAA Champion, Madi Skinner, for First

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https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/42737670/ncaa-volleyball-madisen-skinner-texas-longhorns-three-peat

Poor Madi (at times)

MADISEN SKINNER TRUDGES toward an empty table on an Austin sidewalk and plonks her yoga mat on a chair. It's 5:30 p.m. on a toasty October day. She sighs.

Skinner is heading to yoga class on a rare day off for the Texas volleyball team. She's wearing a touch of makeup, but it doesn't hide the bags under her eyes. The two-time defending national champions dropped a five-setter to Texas A&M the night before, the first of what would become a stunning three-game losing streak at home.

"You looked good yesterday," I say to Skinner. "How did you feel?"

"What happened yesterday?" she asks.

"Um, the match?"

"Oh right," she says. She pivots. "I haven't breathed since."

The 23-year-old fifth-year senior got home after midnight, then attended two morning classes and had back-to-back calls with her agents to discuss her professional volleyball options. Then she took Finley, her three-legged dog, for a walk before hopping in her car to meet me for yoga.

She walks over to a hole-in-the-wall juice shop and orders a blueberry smoothie. As she returns to the table, the man at the counter peeks out the shop's door.

"Do you go to UT?" he asks Skinner.

"Yes," she says, sipping her smoothie.

"Do you play volleyball?" he asks.

She nods.

"It's her!" he announces to the other employee inside the shop. A young Black woman runs out.

"You're Madi Skinner," she says.

She flashes a polite smile, then purses her lips and nods.

Being Madi Skinner means you're a Texas volleyball star. It means you're a three-time national champion. It means you can float like a drone and hammer a volleyball to the floor. It means you're revered for doing things that don't give you much joy. It means you're questioning whether volleyball should be a part of a future that has so many other tantalizing options. It means you wish everyone would stop looking to you for answers to why this Texas dynasty is in danger.

For now, mercifully, it means you're off to yoga.

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But also woof, Craig Skinner does not come off well

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At Kentucky, fans, coaches and teammates started looking to Madi Skinner for leadership. She didn't have it in her.

"I was playing so much volleyball I was sick of it," Madi says. "I felt like people only really cared about me as a volleyball player."

Talking to coach Craig Skinner (no relation) about her feelings didn't seem like an option.

"When I was there, he was a coach, nothing more, nothing less," Madi says. "No coffee dates. No chitchats."

She didn't have her piano or her guitar. She stopped dancing. All the little things that gave her joy were gone. At night, she curled into a ball in her bed and cried. She began having panic attacks. She had never felt this way before.

At a practice in early October, trainer Katy Poole could tell something was wrong. She pulled Madi aside and told her she was concerned. Madi started therapy. She continued to show up to volleyball every day, and she felt moments of joy. She clung to those. But one day in the locker room before practice, Poole found Madi in tears. She didn't pry, but she sat with her as tears streamed down Madi's face. Poole and the coaches decided she needed a mental health day and sent her home.

Rebecca remembers picking up Madi outside the arena after a match in late October. Madi got in, closed the door and burst into tears. "Mom, this is a lot," she cried. Rebecca held her hands. "How can we help lessen your load? What can I do to help?" Rebecca asked. Madi had no answers.

A few weeks later, during warmups before a match, Coach Skinner called her aside. She remembers him telling her that she wasn't engaging with her teammates, that she wasn't invested in them, that she was pulling away.

She went to his office a few days later and sobbed.

"You know how down bad I am, how much I'm struggling, and you're not texting me, not checking in on me, and you're expecting so much from me as a volleyball player, and you're expecting me to carry this huge load and to produce for the team and do all of these things," she said, stumbling through her dialogue with him.

She remembers Skinner telling her that he cared about her, but that part of coming to college was growing up and learning how to deal with problems. His words didn't resonate.

Madi continued to go to therapy.

By the time November rolled around, Madi lost the motivation to get out of bed. She was failing her classes. She remembers standing outside the student center one evening and thinking, "I can't do this anymore."

I want this all to end.

Tears streamed down her face as she texted a friend.

"I don't want to live anymore."

"I don't want to be here."

That whole night, every time she felt like she wanted it all to end, a more pressing thought followed:

I couldn't do that to my mom. She would be devastated.

Then came the clearest thought she'd had in a long time.

I need to leave Lexington. I need to leave Kentucky. I need a fresh start.

 

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9 hours ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Burned out?

It does sound like she was burned out at Kentucky, didn't have a good support system once her sister left for Baylor and fell out of love with the game.  And she didn't have her non-volleyball outlets to help her - music and dance. 

And/or she wasn't ready or willing to be a leader and Craig Skinner told her to grow up and get over it (paraphrasing).  One of the good things about her coming to Texas was we had Logan here in 2022, who was the leader, and O'Neal last year.  At Kentucky, it was probably Avery or Madison Lilley in 2020 and Stumler or Tealer in 2021. 

It seems to be coming to head this year - she's not able or wanting to be the leader, but she is who this team is looking at this year. 

The one thing people are harping on Texas for in that article was that Elliot apparently didn't talk to her this year when she was yanked out of the backrow and it came as a surprise to her and she had to be told by David Hunt. 

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Sounds like a huge disconnect in generational mindset between Coach Skinner and Madi. Gotta coach the total person instead of just the athlete.  Glad it worked out for her.  Happy it was at Texas where it happened.

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13 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

Sounds like a huge disconnect in generational mindset between Coach Skinner and Madi. Gotta coach the total person instead of just the athlete.  Glad it worked out for her.  Happy it was at Texas where it happened.

Me too. Apparently her top choices out of Kentucky were UCLA and USC bc she saw LA as a place she could pursue her passions outside of volleyball. 

Both Cook and Sheffield reached out and she was like “why would I want to go to Lincoln or Madison?”

She talked to Elliot for an hour after the initial rejection text and said they didn’t talk about volleyball at all. 

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Me too. Apparently her top choices out of Kentucky were UCLA and USC bc she saw LA as a place she could pursue her passions outside of volleyball. 

Both Cook and Sheffield reached out and she was like “why would I want to go to Lincoln or Madison?”

She talked to Elliot for an hour after the initial rejection text and said they didn’t talk about volleyball at all. 

That's huge.  I remember her saying that in different interviews.  That single act of just caring about her as a person must have resonated with her at a level she'd been craving.

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Does this public revelation of a better "whole person/athlete" culture at Texas help keep the Kentucky pipeline (and perhaps others) more open going forward? Seems it should, but each player's situation is of course its own. I'm just glad it's working out for Skinner and Rutherford. 

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8 minutes ago, Gut Wagon said:

Does this public revelation of a better "whole person/athlete" culture at Texas help keep the Kentucky pipeline (and perhaps others) more open going forward? Seems it should, but each player's situation is of course its own. I'm just glad it's working out for Skinner and Rutherford. 

I would think players who have had a bad experience at their school or felt like their coach didn't care about them outside of winning matches and are looking to transfer would consider Texas more after this.  

Texas cares about you outside of the court.  Pursue your passions in Austin and be a well-rounded person, not just an athlete. 

Logan used to say the same things about Elliot - he cares about you as a person, not just as a volleyball player. 

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I think Elliot has evolved a lot as a coach. Early in his career, he would lose his mind on the sidelines. 

Weirdly enough, I think Lexi Sun was kind of a learning lesson for him in this era of college-aged athletes. That in-your-face approach just doesn't work like it used to (especially now with the portal). 

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6 hours ago, Js1 said:

Real season starts today! 

UTA-USC - 4pm
TAMUCC-Texas - 6:30

Let's go! 

Texas wins the 2023 DI women's volleyball national championship | NCAA.com

 

1 hour ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Real season starts today! 

UTA-USC - 4pm
TAMUCC-Texas - 6:30

Let's go! 

ESPN+

Uh... someone forget to log out of their other account? 

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Loyola Chicago took the first set off (5) BYU, 25-20.  Lead 23-19 in the second set. 

25-21

Loyola Chicago leads the Stormin Mormons 2-0 in West Lafayette, IN 

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16 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

I forgot Badenhorst transferred to USC. Seems like she is the most talented player on their roster 

I think she still has nightmares of playing against Texas in the finals 

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I didn't get to watch but Ella played!

2 sets

1-2-3
3 assists
2 blocks (1 solo)

Averi and Ella spread it around 

11 attacks for RR (7-0-11)
27 for Madi (15-3-27)
15 for Jenna (3-0-15)
16 for Mari (10-2-16)
20 for Ames (8-3-20)

And Averi and Ella combined 5 attempts (3-2-5)

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