Russia and American elections, now featuring radical republicans as co-stars

LTbear · February 22, 2022

55 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Yall are all long time posters. When Trump carried the country in '16, there was countless posts about: IQ requirements to vote, mandatory education and civil courses to vote etc. People loved talking about all the idiots that lined up to vote for that MF and how they could/should be limited since their decision making is all so flawed. Was it serious, you tell me. But the sanctity of the right to vote rings a bit hollow after many of the opinions on this board.

Do you understand the difference between "internet message board users complain" and "elected officials with a lot of power make sweeping changes to the right to vote for millions of Americans"?

Edited February 22, 2022 by LTbear

Longhorn_Fan68 · February 22, 2022

feel like this could go in half a dozen threads:

Edited February 22, 2022 by Longhorn_Fan68

Sawbonz · February 22, 2022

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

For crying out loud, something like 40% of Texas mail-in ballot applications are being rejected because the law makes it ridiculously vague and hard to get a ballot. That's ON PURPOSE.

Ironically, here in Texas this will likely disproportionately harm Republican candidates, because mail in isn’t available to everyone. The elderly (and maybe military living elsewhere?) are much more likely to vote this way, and in Texas more likely to vote republican

fattyflattie · February 22, 2022

52 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Back up your claims with evidence. This is an example of bad faith posting.

Bullshit. I'm not digging thru 5 years of shit slinging for that. Claim you don't remember it, idgaf.

52 minutes ago, kevwun said:

There is no point in having a discussion with fatty. He's either a troll or an idiot.

lol

46 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It was a Russia thread until our victim in chief fatty started airing his fallacious grievances

Fucking dripping in irony coming from you. I'm not the one who brought up the divisiveness, that spurred this offshoot.

44 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Always weary of the one who thinks their the smartest person in the room...

52 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

in long lines with no access to water or restrooms in order to exercise their constitutional right to vote.

Pretty sure no one is prohibiting the possession of water. I can understand you're upset that the free shit army has to draw the line somewhere.

fattyflattie · February 22, 2022

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Ironically, here in Texas this will likely disproportionately harm Republican candidates, because mail in isn’t available to everyone. The elderly (and maybe military living elsewhere?) are much more likely to vote this way, and in Texas more likely to vote republican

The percentage of rejections was way tf higher for R's. Less volume of mail in votes, though.

PenelopeWitherspoon · February 22, 2022

4 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Always weary of the one who thinks their the smartest person in the room...

You come here and claim all these things, then refuse to back it up. Either you are a troll or an idiot. I think it is both. Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit.

Edited February 22, 2022 by PenelopeWitherspoon

David Dennison · February 22, 2022

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Pretty sure no one is prohibiting the possession of water. I can understand you're upset that the free shit army has to draw the line somewhere.

Do you have a problem with the free shit army in America's c-suites or do you just reserve your scorn for poor people?

Longhorn_Fan68 · February 22, 2022

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

The percentage of rejections was way tf higher for R's. Less volume of mail in votes, though.

please cite sources as I read it as the exact opposite and it's not even close. the rejection rate for D's was 10X+ what it was for R ballots

fattyflattie · February 22, 2022

Just now, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

And this is why I can honestly say I do not think you come from a good place when you post things. You are obviously COMPLETELY unwilling to engage in honest discourse. Go hang back out in the Daily Texan with the other Trumpies.

6 posters literally just shit on me. What kind of response do you think you'd get? I wasn't the one name calling.

Mrs Whiggins · February 22, 2022

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Always weary of the one who thinks their the smartest person in the room...

In my town the polls were consolidated and the locations closed were in the poorer precincts. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because it leads to low voter turnout in those precincts which then leads to more locations near those areas closed.

Snake Diggity · February 22, 2022

6 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

feel like this could go in half a dozen threads:

Wtf

PenelopeWitherspoon · February 22, 2022

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

6 posters literally just shit on me. What kind of response do you think you'd get? I wasn't the one name calling.

Do you have ANYTHING Russia related to discuss? If not, get the fuck out. I have tried to turn this back to Russia, but you come back to just keep bitching about how wronged you are.

Sawbonz · February 22, 2022

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Pretty sure no one is prohibiting the possession of water. I can understand you're upset that the free shit army has to draw the line somewhere.

So you think it is reasonable to have to plan to bring water with you because you know you are going to have to wait in line for hours in order to cast your vote?

I’ve been civil with you thus far. Your free shit army comment is fairly ridiculous if you are at all familiar with my posting history. I’ll just say my problem is not with restricting “free water” but an arbitrary constraint on voting that makes water in line and bathroom access necessary as part of the voting process.

fattyflattie · February 22, 2022

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

please cite sources as I read it as the exact opposite and it's not even close. the rejection rate for D's was 10X+ what it was for R ballots

Volume. I thought it was something like 80% of the R's that got rejected, but was only several dozen votes. I could have read it wrong. I'm talking about one of the south texas counties, can't remember which. Same one you saw?

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Do you have a problem with the free shit army in America's c-suites or do you just reserve your scorn for poor people?

Why the scorn for c-suites? Just hate hypereductated people who've risen to the top?

PenelopeWitherspoon · February 22, 2022

8 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

feel like this could go in half a dozen threads:

This is absolutely disgusting. What is even worse, the alcolytes will be getting on board with this. Fuck Trump, Fuck the GQP, and Fuck ANYONE who is ok with what Putin is doing.

PenelopeWitherspoon · February 22, 2022

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

Volume. I thought it was something like 80% of the R's that got rejected, but was only several dozen votes. I could have read it wrong. I'm talking about one of the south texas counties, can't remember which. Same one you saw?

Why the scorn for c-suites? Just hate hypereductated people who've risen to the top?

Anything Russia related? No? Have a neg. Time to get back to the topic of the thread.

Mrs Whiggins · February 22, 2022

PenelopeWitherspoon · February 22, 2022

Folks, stop engaging Fatty. I know, I did it. But I am trying to get this back to Russia. He is completely disingenuous or completely stupid, so it is time to ignore and get back to the topic at hand. There are other threads to engage him on voter suppression and corporate welfare, if you want to waste your time.

Latest on Russia...

US and EU announce first round of sanctions. TFG praises Putin (fucking shocker there).

fattyflattie · February 22, 2022

1 minute ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Do you have ANYTHING Russia related to discuss? If not, get the fuck out.

You don't run this board, so go fuck yourself. Russia sucks.

3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I’ll just say my problem is not with restricting “free water” but an arbitrary constraint on voting that makes water in line and bathroom access necessary as part of the voting process.

It takes 10 minutes to vote every single fucking place I've ever voted. Every county. Every city. Every location. Driving 15 mins there was also not a deterrent.

Brisketexan · February 22, 2022

6 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Wtf

That.....is as bad as it gets. Seriously. If you support the GQP and Trump after that, you are fucking scum.

PenelopeWitherspoon · February 22, 2022

Captainant · February 22, 2022

15 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

feels like this could go in half a dozen threads:

Goddamn some of those direct quotes from @fattyflattie's man

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius,'" Trump recalled. "Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine -- Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful."

"I said, 'How smart is that?'" the former U.S. president continued. "And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s the strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy."

Trump added: "But here’s a guy that says, you know, 'I’m gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent,' he used the word 'independent' and 'we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.' You gotta say that’s pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response. They didn’t have one for that. No, it’s very sad. Very sad."

Mrs Whiggins · February 22, 2022

Sanctions are a good thing, but they aren't likely to keep Putin from doing as he pleases IN THE HERE AND NOW. Hopefully they would have a cumulative effect.

Ignore his bit about Biden having to pronounce the name. The jist is what is important.

PenelopeWitherspoon · February 22, 2022

Just now, Captainant said:

Goddamn some of those direct quotes from @fattyflattie's man

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius,'" Trump recalled. "Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine -- Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful."

"I said, 'How smart is that?'" the former U.S. president continued. "And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s the strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy."

Trump added: "But here’s a guy that says, you know, 'I’m gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent,' he used the word 'independent' and 'we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.' You gotta say that’s pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response. They didn’t have one for that. No, it’s very sad. Very sad."

Proof that TFG is a fucking traitor. Putin as peacekeeper my ass. If you are dumb enough to fucking believe this, you are beyond help.

Sawbonz · February 22, 2022

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

You don't run this board, so go fuck yourself. Russia sucks.

It takes 10 minutes to vote every single fucking place I've ever voted. Every county. Every city. Every location. Driving 15 mins there was also not a deterrent.

You never voted in East Dallas

WhatTheBuck · February 22, 2022

3 hours ago, LTbear said:

Anyone waiting on Creasy to give a well-informed reply based on facts and reason should just settle in and get real comfy for a long while.

Typical troll behavior.

Mdhorn · February 22, 2022

10 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Bullshit. I'm not digging thru 5 years of shit slinging for that. Claim you don't remember it, idgaf.

lol

Fucking dripping in irony coming from you. I'm not the one who brought up the divisiveness, that spurred this offshoot.

Always weary of the one who thinks their the smartest person in the room...

Pretty sure no one is prohibiting the possession of water. I can understand you're upset that the free shit army has to draw the line somewhere.

You point to a lot of posts and then reply with a bunch of empty gibberish. Oh yeah-- idgaf, and you're divisive, I'm tired of this and welfare. This is childish. A whole lot of empty nothing, that goes on for pages.

PenelopeWitherspoon · February 22, 2022

7 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

But wait, didn't Putin say that Ukraine doesn't have a history of being an independent nation and is a part of Russia? Wouldn't abroad indicate in a different country?!?

Edited February 22, 2022 by PenelopeWitherspoon

InkaUtexas · February 22, 2022

Yes, he did, but I think he is referring to maintaining his presence in Belarus which threatens Kyiv.

Neonmoon · February 22, 2022

Everyone single person responding to the low 70 poster can get fucked

Longhorn_Fan68 · February 22, 2022

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Everyone single person responding to the low 70 poster can get fucked

oh yeah?

DDD Dad · February 22, 2022

3 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Shit my pants hell. I can point to literally any thread in the CR and show extreme divisiveness from the left. The fact y’all don’t want to admit to it or run a bit you started it campaign is such a weird flex. Also, I know how markets work (and O&G specifically) so don’t know why you are lumping me in with that guy.

I think he is a “center” guy. I think he is a puppet for his party, and the people pulling the stings are pretty far left.

Cool. Now do congressional softball games.

3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

I think most people you call “left” on this board would agree with you. In fact, I would say the majority of the “liberals” on this board gripe often about Democrats being pussies that never get shit accomplished.

Here is the cognitive dissonance. The issues of cities like Portland, or San Francisco, and now Austin are fuckall when compared to attempts to overthrow democracy, restricting voting rights, banning books, outlawing education about slavery, controlling transmissible diseases, etc.

There’s a reason this country has shit education, healthcare, and income equality. It’s not because Republicans tried fixing it over and over again.

But yes, in some cities, homeless people and drug addicts are too coddled, same with some protestors, and some taxes are too damn high.

3 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

This.

3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I can't disagree with any of this. Bookmark it, so the "conservatives" around here actually understand the strong majority "Surly lib cabal" position.

Cool. Go ahead and get that compressed LNG ready. Put it on tankers. Send it to Germany. And then wait several years while they build the LNG infrastructure necessary to offload and use that LNG. That's, umm, kind of a big logistical problem here.

3 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

This. I find it funny that we are all called leftists, yet most of us used to consider ourselves Republicans.

3 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

This.

I'd give my left nut to be able to vote for a Goldwater Republican, but they are extinct, replaced by bible-thumping, gun-waving idiots.

3 hours ago, SizzleChest said:

When some get so far out on the right, they look toward the other direction, and can't see the middle. To them, it's all a big monolith wrapped in a socialism, immigrants cast as criminals, and big government tarp.

3 hours ago, LTbear said:

Feels like a lifetime ago, but ya, this.

3 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

No matter how many times you former GOPs point this out to GQPs, they just assume you were always ebil libs with agendas* whom they are well rid of. George Soros and the CR cabal got to you. You're the pod people not them.

* Agendas?

*

skeery

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I do find it funny. Especially when issues like those listed below are not new. These issues didn’t magically appear with Trump So you were cool with them then, or did you just time your jump perfectly. I bet you did, y’all always do everything perfectly. I bet you got off the GOP wagon minutes before it completely went south.

This never happens on the left. Ever. Nothing but down the middle politics.

Another Surly leftist checking in.

Just as a reminder, my HS civics teacher used to call me Alex P. Keaton. I was the founding member and president of my law school's Federalist Society.

But I'm a libtard now.

DDD Dad · February 22, 2022

19 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

It takes 10 minutes to vote every single fucking place I've ever voted. Every county. Every city. Every location. Driving 15 mins there was also not a deterrent.

Clearly you don't live in a minority district in a Republican-controlled state or locality.

DigglerontheHoof · February 22, 2022

23 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

You don't run this board, so go fuck yourself. Russia sucks.

It takes 10 minutes to vote every single fucking place I've ever voted. Every county. Every city. Every location. Driving 15 mins there was also not a deterrent.

This is fucking infuriating. You realize GQP is systematically reducing voting sites in urban areas all across the nation, where they can. Seriously, go fuck your troll self. Cunt.

PenelopeWitherspoon · February 22, 2022

Oil closes near $100 on Russia going into Ukraine. Cannot wait to see who they blame for this one (Putin should be the right answer).

Brisketexan · February 22, 2022

26 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

You don't run this board, so go fuck yourself. Russia sucks.

The leader of your party, the man who everyone must pledge complete and total allegiance to in order to be allowed to remain in the party, just said otherwise.

If you truly believe that Russia sucks.....then you should not be loyal to the Party of Trump.

Creasy Bear · February 22, 2022

4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

When you understand that people like Creasy have a fantasy view of a world run by autocrats who just order shit and it magically happens, they have some vague notion that Biden could snap his fingers and not just have Germany bend to his will, but to do so in a way that defies the laws of time and physics to make LNG terminals magically appear overnight. Seriously, this is the magical thinking that we have seen on grand display as a product of the Trump era. They really do think this is how the world works.

Again, they think that Biden killing the Keystone pipeline....which wasn't even going to be up and running, and if/when it was, makes up a miniscule percentage of the global petroleum market, and WASN'T EVEN AN NG LINE (it was going to move tar sands oil).....is somehow connected to Germany bending itself over a barrel with regard to Russian natural gas.

We're not dealing with people for whom facts or logic are valued commodities.

My question is simple. Why is Biden against domestic oil & gas production but is for increased oil & gas production overseas?

PenelopeWitherspoon · February 22, 2022

2 minutes ago, Creasy Bear said:

My question is simple. Why is Biden against domestic oil & gas production but is for increased oil & gas production overseas?

But your question is wrong footed from the start. THAT is why no one is going to engage you, because you are not really interested. Your mind is made up. Plus, you are comparing apples and fucking oranges and trying to pass it off as just asking questions. You might be an idiot, but the rest of us aren't, and it is a massive waste of time to even respond to you.

Captainant · February 22, 2022

3 minutes ago, Creasy Bear said:

My question is simple. Why is Biden against domestic oil & gas production but is for increased oil & gas production overseas?

negged for a false question premise. Biden hasn't opposed domestic O&G production, and (much to my chagrin) is outpacing trump on drilling permits on public lands. And he's released from the strategic reserve.

Care to share your source that is the basis of your claim of "Biden doesn't want domestic production?"

bolverk · February 22, 2022

24 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Yes, he did, but I think he is referring to maintaining his presence in Belarus which threatens Kyiv.

Speaking of Belarus. Up until the last couple years, I had always thought they were more or less already a puppet state of Russia what with the whole "Union State" thing. The following suggests that they actually had more autonomy that I'd believed they had:

The Russian Incursion No One Is Talking About
While the world watches Ukraine, Moscow is making moves in neighboring Belarus, too.

By Yasmeen Serhan

In the space of a month, Vladimir Putin has effectively managed to transform a former Soviet state into an extension of Russian territory, in full view of the United States and Europe, without firing a single shot in the country. This isn’t unfolding in Ukraine but neighboring Belarus, which has served as a home for Russian troops and military hardware since the start of the year, ostensibly because of planned drills between the two countries’ militaries. Over the weekend, the Belarusian government announced that the 30,000 Russian troops on its soil—Moscow’s largest deployment on Minsk’s territory since the end of the Cold War—could be there to stay.

Regardless of what happens in Ukraine, this is a major victory in Putin’s war with the West. The move not only represents a violation of Belarusian sovereignty, but poses a significant challenge to NATO as a security guarantor in the Baltics: Belarus shares a border with two NATO members. Still, few leaders outside the Baltic region have said anything about the announcement or how they plan to respond. The cost of doing nothing could be enormous.

Spoiler

Belarus wasn’t always so easy to ignore. In 2020, the country captured the world’s attention after a rigged presidential election ensuring the continued reign of its longtime leader, Alexander Lukashenko, sparked some of the largest prodemocracy protests in Belarusian history. He survived with the help of the Russian government, which provided him with the police forces to quash the demonstrations and the financing to overcome the West’s sanctions. Suddenly, a nation that purported to be neutral (military neutrality is built into the Belarusian constitution) and whose leader often complains of Russian overreach came to be seen around the world as a vassal state.

Nearly two years on, Russia’s investment has largely paid off. Not only can Putin claim a strategic outpost in his escalating conflict with Ukraine (Kyiv is just 140 miles away from the Belarusian border), but he has also managed to cement Belarus’s position within Moscow’s sphere of influence. In recent months, Lukashenko has opted to recognize Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and pledged to support Moscow in any military conflict involving Ukraine. A forthcoming constitutional referendum is expected to formally scrap the clauses guaranteeing Belarus’s neutrality, as well as its obligation to remain free from nuclear weapons.

For the Belarusian opposition exiled in Lithuania, the deteriorating situation in Belarus has happened faster than even they could have anticipated, and the shift carries with it a warning. “In Belarus, we are seeing the soft version of what could happen to Ukraine,” Franak Viačorka, a senior adviser to the Belarusian opposition leader Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, told me. “The only difference is that in Ukraine, the state is opposing the occupation; in Belarus, it embraces it.”

This shift won’t go unnoticed in places such as Poland and the Baltic states, which have long viewed Belarus as a bulwark between themselves and Russia. By ceding its territory to Moscow, Belarus has effectively invited Russian troops onto these countries’ doorsteps. One area in particular gives military leaders and experts pause: a 65-mile strip of land along the Polish-Lithuanian border known as the Suwałki Corridor, which connects Belarus to Russia’s far-western enclave of Kaliningrad. It is also what connects the Baltic states with the rest of NATO in Europe. If Russian forces were to seize control of this corridor from either side, not only would they have a quick route to Poland or Lithuania; they would also be able to cut off NATO’s Baltic members from the rest of the alliance.

The threat posed by the Suwałki Corridor is no longer an academic exercise. “This is now a significant vulnerability,” Ben Hodges, the former commander of the U.S. Army in Europe, told me. The way Hodges sees it, even if Russian provocations in Ukraine were to end, Moscow’s control of Belarus would likely remain permanent, and could even be formalized further. This would not only destroy Belarusian autonomy, which Lukashenko has all but forfeited, but it would also pose a permanent threat to NATO.

It’s no wonder that leaders in Lithuania and Latvia have echoed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s calls for the West to impose immediate sanctions on Russia—a move that the U.S. and the European Union were initially reluctant to take prior to an invasion of Ukraine, in the hopes that the threat of sanctions alone could deter further Russian provocation. But Moscow’s military takeover of Belarus and the subsequent deployment of Russian troops in Ukraine’s eastern separatist regions have shown the limits of this kind of optimism.

“In 2008 [in Georgia], in 2014 [in Crimea], and again this time, Russia has demonstrated its willingness to use military threats against its neighbors,” a spokesperson from the Lithuanian Foreign Ministry told me in an email. “Although Belarus is already de facto integrated into [the] Russian military structure … Russia’s forces build-up in Belarus increases Russia’s military advantage over NATO in the region. These developments require stronger NATO defense and deterrence posture in the Baltic region.”

Insofar as Western leaders and commentators have focused on Belarus, they have largely centered on the threat that Russia’s presence in the country poses to Ukraine. But the threat extends to Belarusian sovereignty too. The problem for Belarus is that unlike Ukraine, its leadership has welcomed Moscow’s presence. Even if the West wanted to take a stand in defense of Belarusian sovereignty, it wouldn’t have many levers to do so. Belarus’s opposition leaders have been either jailed or exiled. The Belarusian people remain under the tight control of the country’s security forces, which have already demonstrated their tolerance for peaceful protest. “There is no space for action,” Viačorka said. “We feel abandoned.”

But the West ignores Belarus at its own peril. So long as Russian troops remain on Belarusian soil, Putin will have the means to menace Kyiv—as well as NATO—from close by, all the while wrecking Ukraine’s economy and destabilizing its government. And what starts in Belarus may not necessarily end there.

TexArcher · February 22, 2022

6 minutes ago, Creasy Bear said:

My question is simple. Why is Biden against domestic oil & gas production but is for increased oil & gas production overseas?

Your question is a straw man.

It's what people do when they're losing arguments.

bolverk · February 22, 2022

dp

Edited February 22, 2022 by bolverk

westexhorn · February 22, 2022

It was a mistake to come into CR...

PenelopeWitherspoon · February 22, 2022

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

negged for a false question premise. Biden hasn't opposed domestic O&G production, and (much to my chagrin) is outpacing trump on drilling permits on public lands. And he's released from the strategic reserve.

Care to share your source that is the basis of your claim of "Biden doesn't want domestic production?"

His source is the speech where Biden said he wanted to pivot from Oil and Gas and the cancellation of the Keystone permit.

Edited February 22, 2022 by PenelopeWitherspoon

Captainant · February 22, 2022

2 minutes ago, westexhorn said:

It was a mistake to come into CR...

it genuinely was a decent thread until page 27 when fatty dropped trou and shat on it

Gap03 · February 22, 2022

4 minutes ago, westexhorn said:

It was a mistake to come into CR...

Hate to say it, but the DT Russia / Ukraine thread is far superior to the CR thread ...

DDD Dad · February 22, 2022

2 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

Hate to say it, but the DT Russia / Ukraine thread is far superior to the CR thread ...

I imagine the DT crowd that just likes to ask questions realizes they'll get banned if they pull that shit in that particular thread. immamac's watching that thread.

Edited February 22, 2022 by DDD Dad

UpperWestside · February 22, 2022

5 hours ago, Creasy Bear said:

Honest question, how do you explain Biden killing the Keystone Pipeline but giving the go ahead on Nord Stream 2?

It was stated quite clearly at the time that Europe, Germany in particular, did not trust America to be the world leader again that it had been since the end of WWII. Biden was told in some fairly clear terms that Germany was going ahead with this deal and he did not push the issue. There are consequences for the actions of leaders and countries and one of them was this pipeline going ahead. I mean this is some fairly easy to find stuff if you would just look it up and read about the news from independent sources.

PenelopeWitherspoon · February 22, 2022

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

it genuinely was a decent thread until page 27 when fatty dropped trou and shat on it

This.

And we are all guilty for engaging shitty posters like fatty and Creasy Bear.

Shall we get back on topic?

Creasy Bear · February 22, 2022

10 minutes ago, Captainant said:

negged for a false question premise. Biden hasn't opposed domestic O&G production, and (much to my chagrin) is outpacing trump on drilling permits on public lands. And he's released from the strategic reserve.

Care to share your source that is the basis of your claim of "Biden doesn't want domestic production?"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/21/us/biden-climate-social-cost-of-carbon-court/index.html

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