Donald Trump Assassination Attempt

[Helobious 9408]

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Has America had the most assassinations & attempts of any country?

No way we even crack the top 20 globally.

[Dutchrudder 10976]

[Newy25 7590]

4 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

The sad sad thing is it is looking more and more like this is simply reaping what you sow (and I am not even talking political violence, more the place we are with guns, etc) and most of America will be too stupid to understand that.  

I don’t know what I expected from this thread. But the undertones of “he had this coming” oozing from a lot of posts makes me sad to be an American. And even more sad that Texas fans have these thoughts. Whatever you think of Trump, if these are your thoughts after you have had time to think and reflect on the situation, that’s fucked up. 

[Pato del Muerto 52035]

17 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Wonder if he will have any sharp words for his security detail or PA cops.

I love a good conspiracy theory that has actual odd shit happening, I have to admit. I still want to believe this is random, but If one had a mind to, they could really spin this thing up.  

Was this his first rally since the new Epstein docs were made public?

[Texas Jeff 1913]

After watching some coverage, I would encourage everyone to think of most of this through an Occam's razor lens.  The simplest possible explanation for most of this is probably the correct one.

A lot of what happened was probably "fog of war" and people are trying to find patterns and motivations that aren't there.

The snipers probably saw the guy but didn't take him out because they thought that a guy on a roof near the president surely must be one of them ... they were also guys on a roof with guns.  Surely, right? Nobody wants to be the trigger happy security guy that takes out another law enforcement officer that is just doing his job on another roof with another rifle.  They were probably trying to figure out if that was a friend or foe right up until they got their answer.  That's how they were able to take him out so fast.  They were undecided about what to do until suddenly they were returning fire.

The secret service guys looked they had had training on what to do and had practiced, but had probably never with a heavy elderly guy who was not getting up and was looking for his shoes.  You can hear the guys trying to communicate with each other that the shooter is down and to move, and right after that moment their training appears to go out the window.  They don't move.  They were indecisive.  They had probably trained with a guy who just gets up and runs or gets carried to a car.  They weren't trying to stand up Trump or put him in to a photo op, they were just not well rehearsed for this.

The kid was probably less of a Republican or a Democrat and more of a kid that was in need of mental help.  I would bet that he donated to one cause because others in his class were donating, maybe he liked the person raising money and chipped in $15.  A simple reason.  I would bet that he's a "registered" Republican because his parents probably also registered as Republicans and when he registered to vote he just picked the same party as his parents.  Something simple.

He was probably a lousy shot, if indeed it was an "easy" shot, because he was a 20 year old kid who overestimated his abilities.  What works in movies and video games is less likely to work in the real world.

The roof was probably unguarded because ... well this is a tough one but prep is never perfect.  JFK's protective car bubble was sitting at Love Field at the moment he was killed, and no one bothered to check the school book depository before his parade, particularly the one open window on the highest floor that had a line of fire to both the approach and the departure.  I *think* that was the last time a president or candidate was attacked by a sniper, and that was 62 years ago.

It is a tragedy all around, but I would encourage everyone to seek simple explanations.

Edited July 14 by Texas Jeff

[Incredulity 11160]

2 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

I don’t know what I expected from this thread. But the undertones of “he had this coming” oozing from a lot of posts makes me sad to be an American.

You should have seen the psychotic shit they were posting prior to the ban hammer coming out.

 

[Surly Bevo 24463]

3 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

I don’t know what I expected from this thread. But the undertones of “he had this coming” oozing from a lot of posts makes me sad to be an American. And even more sad that Texas fans have these thoughts. Whatever you think of Trump, if these are your thoughts after you have had time to think and reflect on the situation, that’s fucked up. 

That isn't a he had it coming post.  NOBODY should have that coming, not the kids in Sandy Hook, not the kids in Uvalde, not the people at Pulse and no not even Donald or the people at that rally.  It's that one party lead by one person has fostered it coming...and that should be nauseating to anybody.  

[Mo Horn 8696]

We're done for this presidential election I'm afraid. 

[C-Man 26617]

51 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

This reeks of some angry young loser looking for fame, not some idealogue who thinks he's saving the world from Trump. In that respect, a political rally beats an elementary school, and SS response time sure does beat the Uvalde Police Department.

MSNBC had a former HS classmate on a little while ago to say shooter was a loner in HS who was bullied and picked on pretty badly. Shocker.

[wildcat09 28485]

3 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

I don’t know what I expected from this thread. But the undertones of “he had this coming” oozing from a lot of posts makes me sad to be an American. And even more sad that Texas fans have these thoughts. Whatever you think of Trump, if these are your thoughts after you have had time to think and reflect on the situation, that’s fucked up. 

Where has this been any of the hundreds to thousands of times Trump has encouraged violence?

[Red Five 40274]

Just now, Surly Bevo said:

That isn't a he had it coming post.  NOBODY should have that coming, not the kids in Sandy Hook, not the kids in Uvalde, not the people at Pulse and no not even Donald or the people at that rally.  It's that one party lead by one person has fostered it coming...and that should be nauseating to anybody.  

1) No one has that coming. Political violence is bad. Assassinations are bad. 

2) The world would be a much, much, much better place without Trump in it. 

3) I'm glad the guy failed, for various reasons. 

[Pato del Muerto 52035]

3 minutes ago, Texas Jeff said:

JFK's protective car bubble was sitting at Love Field at the moment he was killed, and no one bothered to check the school book depository before his parade, particularly the one open window on the highest floor that had a line of fire to both the approach and the departure.

Sounds fishy. How have there been no conspiracy theories about this incident?

[Newy25 7590]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

You should have seen the psychotic shit they were posting prior to the ban hammer coming out.

 

I am glad I didn’t see people celebrating what could have been one of the worst days in American history yesterday.  As someone who has been part of this site since I can remember, I might not have been able to take that. 

[David Dennison 17754]

5 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

I don’t know what I expected from this thread. But the undertones of “he had this coming” oozing from a lot of posts makes me sad to be an American. And even more sad that Texas fans have these thoughts. Whatever you think of Trump, if these are your thoughts after you have had time to think and reflect on the situation, that’s fucked up. 

Yesterday's events notwithstanding, the man's rhetoric is, at times, completely irresponsible.

[Newy25 7590]

3 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

That isn't a he had it coming post.  NOBODY should have that coming, not the kids in Sandy Hook, not the kids in Uvalde, not the people at Pulse and no not even Donald or the people at that rally.  It's that one party lead by one person has fostered it coming...and that should be nauseating to anybody.  

“This is not the post about he had it coming it’s just that he had it coming”.  

[Rip76 4880]

Is this him?

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Edited July 14 by Rip76

[gmr548 16289]

3 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

I don’t know what I expected from this thread. But the undertones of “he had this coming” oozing from a lot of posts makes me sad to be an American. And even more sad that Texas fans have these thoughts. Whatever you think of Trump, if these are your thoughts after you have had time to think and reflect on the situation, that’s fucked up. 

I mean given his track record on the topic it is hardly a leap of logic. Simple cause and effect really. Observing and understanding that is different from being happy about it. The positions of...

"I wish this never happened. Political violence is terrible for the country, an escalation like this is tragic and will only lead to more and more violence and toxicity, where more and more innocent people are hurt or killed."

and...

"Trump has been calling for violence to be carried out against political opponents and unsympathetic to say the least when it has happened throughout the entirety of his political career. I am not glad it happened but do not feel any personal sympathy for him."

... are not mutually exclusive. 

[Dutchrudder 10976]

1 minute ago, Newy25 said:

I don’t know what I expected from this thread. But the undertones of “he had this coming” oozing from a lot of posts makes me sad to be an American. And even more sad that Texas fans have these thoughts. Whatever you think of Trump, if these are your thoughts after you have had time to think and reflect on the situation, that’s fucked up. 

I think you're reading it wrong. The issue is that we have a completely unchecked gun culture that constantly fights any sort of basic or reasonable responsibility for owning guns. Things like minimum age limits for purchase and ownership, limited magazine capacity, safe storage requirements, waiting periods, background checks, etc are constantly shot down by the right. It's the reason why we have so many dead children from school shootings every year, because these right-wing gun nuts don't even allow for some common sense laws on gun ownership. It's not a "Trump had it coming" sentiment, it's a "we have so many avoidable shootings in this country, but it was bound to happen to someone high profile" sentiment.

[A-Tex Devil 2412]

9 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

I don’t know what I expected from this thread. But the undertones of “he had this coming” oozing from a lot of posts makes me sad to be an American. And even more sad that Texas fans have these thoughts. Whatever you think of Trump, if these are your thoughts after you have had time to think and reflect on the situation, that’s fucked up. 

I don’t read that at all.  He didn’t have it coming. He and his minions did and do, however, foment the environment where this isn’t surprising though.  Hell, read MGT’s twisted tweet post-attempt.  His rhetoric is going to and has caused stochastic terrorism from all angles.  
 

Any both sides equivalency arguments can get fucked.  

[Newy25 7590]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Yesterday's events notwithstanding, the man's rhetoric is, at times, completely irresponsible.

You will get no disagreement from me on that statement. But his death, right now during an election after we just found out that his opponent is not fit to run? The death spiral this country would go down is just too untenable for me to think about. Wherever we are now, and it’s not a good place, we would go someone much darker I’m afraid. 

You have to be a complete sociopath to be think that’s a good outcome. 

Edited July 14 by Newy25

[David Dennison 17754]

Just now, Newy25 said:

You will get no disagreement from me on that statement. But his death, right now during an ejection after we just found out that his opponent is not fit to run? The death spiral this country would go down is just too untenable for me to think about. Wherever we are now, and it’s not a good place, we would go someone much darker I’m afraid. 

You have to be a complete sociopath to be think that’s a good outcome. 

We've been through worse.

 

[Surly Bevo 24463]

4 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

“This is not the post about he had it coming it’s just that he had it coming”.  

Ok.....hook em

[gmr548 16289]

2 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

I think you're reading it wrong. The issue is that we have a completely unchecked gun culture that constantly fights any sort of basic or reasonable responsibility for owning guns. Things like minimum age limits for purchase and ownership, limited magazine capacity, safe storage requirements, waiting periods, background checks, etc are constantly shot down by the right. It's the reason why we have so many dead children from school shootings every year, because these right-wing gun nuts don't even allow for some common sense laws on gun ownership. It's not a "Trump had it coming" sentiment, it's a "we have so many avoidable shootings in this country, but it was bound to happen to someone high profile" sentiment.

He's not reading wrong, he is a disingenuous concern troll.

[4th&Five 41111]

1 minute ago, Newy25 said:

You will get no disagreement from me on that statement. But his death, right now during an ejection after we just found out that his opponent is not fit to run? The death spiral this country would go down is just too untenable for me to think about. Wherever we are now, and it’s not a good place, we would go someone much darker I’m afraid. 

You have to be a complete sociopath to be think that’s a good outcome. 

He got a boo boo on his ear. Nobody was celebrating his death because he’s not dead. 

[Incredulity 11160]

1 minute ago, Dutchrudder said:

I think you're reading it wrong. The issue is that we have a completely unchecked gun culture that constantly fights any sort of basic or reasonable responsibility for owning guns. Things like minimum age limits for purchase and ownership, limited magazine capacity, safe storage requirements, waiting periods, background checks, etc are constantly shot down by the right. It's the reason why we have so many dead children from school shootings every year, because these right-wing gun nuts don't even allow for some common sense laws on gun ownership. It's not a "Trump had it coming" sentiment, it's a "we have so many avoidable shootings in this country, but it was bound to happen to someone high profile" sentiment.

Bull fucking Shit.

there have been open ongoing calls for Trump to be killed on this site for at least 4 years.  
 

used to be even innuendo/off-color joke was ban hammer.

 

 

[cabowabo 4389]

11 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

You should have seen the psychotic shit they were posting prior to the ban hammer coming out.

 

No shit. It was unbelievable. 

[David Dennison 17754]

Solid pearl clutching, fellas.

 

[Newy25 7590]

1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

He got a boo boo on his ear. Nobody was celebrating his death because he’s not dead. 

Jesus fucking Christ. If you are a real person I hope you really did not go to Texas. 

[Nicole44 21954]

31 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

It’s almost like some group has normalized open carry, even of long guns. 

I’m sure they are going to make it lot harder for me to take my ladder to large events now. 

[sidis 9659]

2 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

You will get no disagreement from me on that statement. But his death, right now during an ejection after we just found out that his opponent is not fit to run? The death spiral this country would go down is just too untenable for me to think about. Wherever we are now, and it’s not a good place, we would go someone much darker I’m afraid. 

You have to be a complete sociopath to be think that’s a good outcome. 

I love that you think this sanctimonious shit is not unbelievably transparent on here.

“you’ll get no disagreement from me…that this deplorable man has been cultivating an extremely dangerous environment for years in which he attempts to leverage his mindless cult’s willingness to threaten and inflect violence on his behalf and at his direction…”

BUT…

you guys are the problem. I’m sad. 

[Helobious 9408]

12 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

We're done for this presidential election I'm afraid. 

Who the fuck still reads Time? 

[Newy25 7590]

1 minute ago, sidis said:

I love that you think this sanctimonious shit is not unbelievably transparent on here.

“you’ll get no disagreement from me…that this deplorable man has been cultivating an extremely dangerous environment for years in which he attempts to leverage his mindless cult’s willingness to threaten and inflect violence on his behalf and at his direction…”

BUT…

you guys are the problem. I’m sad. 

I didn’t say any of that. Not even close.

[C-Man 26617]

5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Bull fucking Shit.

there have been open ongoing calls for Trump to be killed on this site for at least 4 years.  
 

used to be even innuendo/off-color joke was ban hammer.

 

 

Bull fucking shit yourself. Openly wishing he’d do us a favor and die of natural causes — I’m sure the MAGA kooks would cook up some conspiracy yarn, though — is not the same as wishing the man would be killed by a member of his own political party.

[seven 1358]

3 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I’m sure they are going to make it lot harder for me to take my ladder to large events now. 

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED 

[Macanudo 12743]

5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Bull fucking Shit.

there have been open ongoing calls for Trump to be killed on this site for at least 4 years.  
 

used to be even innuendo/off-color joke was ban hammer.

 

 

Wishing someone would die is different than wanting someone to be killed.

There's a huge difference between a deadly  Big Mac and being shot by a zealot.

[WhatTheBuck 28604]

59 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Where did he park? How far was he walking around with a fucking ladder and rifle strapped to his back?

You’d be surprised what some schmucks can get away with.

[YGIFS 19445]

PA State Police: "Hey, you can't bring a rifle into this area." 

Shooter:  "It's okay, we're an open carry state.  Just exercising my 2A rights"

PA State Police:  "Yeah, but his is a Trump rally.  You can't carry here."

Shooter:  "But I've got this here ladder."

PA State Police:  "Well damn son, come on through..."

(Narrator checks list of state nicknames, "Oh, so they're literally the Keystone Cops?")

[MrBig 5163]

 

[C-Man 26617]

2 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

You’d be surprised what some schmucks can get away with.

“Medic”

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18402]

15 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

I am glad I didn’t see people celebrating what could have been one of the worst days in American history yesterday. 

But it wouldn’t have been.  It wouldn’t have even cracked the top 10. You don’t know history very well, do you.

[ChiTownDoc 20841]

Trump gaslights and riles up millions.  Attacks all kinds of classes, races, genders…laughs at others physically attacked in political violence, while encouraging political violence himself…and people are shocked when he gets a dose of his own medicine, leaving some on the other side of his attacks gruntled.  Lol

[Hook1997 5239]

10 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Bull fucking Shit.

there have been open ongoing calls for Trump to be killed on this site for at least 4 years.  
 

used to be even innuendo/off-color joke was ban hammer.

 

 

I mean he’s definitely right, I’ve seen it more than a few times.   But I also kinda hoped they both died before the election….  

[bolverk 29035]

I wanted to get a more local perspective and visited the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette's website. 

Short article they posted on the one shooting fatality:

Man killed at Trump rally was former fire chief in Butler County who was protecting family
Corey Comperatore's wife and daughter, in statements on Facebook, described a chaotic scene during the shooting

The family of a Buffalo Township man has identified him on social media as the victim killed Saturday evening during a shooting at a rally for former President Donald Trump in Butler, in which Trump was injured and two other spectators were critically injured.

In separate social media posts, Corey Comperatore’s family mourned his loss.

“The PA Trump Rally claimed the life of my brother, Corey Comperatore,” posted Dawn Comperatore Schafer on Facebook. “The hatred for one man took the life of the one man we loved the most.

“He was a hero that shielded his daughters. His wife and girls just lived through the unthinkable and unimaginable. My baby brother just turned 50 and had so much life left to experience. Hatred has no limits and love has no bounds. Pray for my sister-in-law, nieces, my mother, sister, me and his nieces and nephews as this feels like a terrible nightmare but we know it is our painful reality.”

Mr. Comperatore was the former chief of the Buffalo Township Volunteer Fire Company.

Trump was about 10 minutes into his speech at the Butler Farm Show grounds about 6:15 p.m. when gunfire erupted and the former president was rushed off stage. Trump, who had a bloody wound around his right ear, later confirmed in statements online that a bullet pierced his ear.

Thousands of supporters had been waiting for the candidate’s appearance, in advance of the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee this week.

Officials later said one rallygoer was killed, and two others were wounded, although they did not identify the injured spectators.

Mr. Comperatore’s wife and daughter, in statements on Facebook, described a chaotic scene in which he tried to protect his family.

His daughter, Allyson Comperatore, wrote that her father died “a real-life superhero,” who quickly threw her and her mother to the ground when gunfire started at the rally.

“He shielded my body from the bullet that came at us. He loved his family. He truly loved us enough to take a real bullet for us,” she wrote.

His wife wrote that the rally was meant to be an uplifting event.

“Yesterday, what turned out to be such an exciting day for my husband especially, turned into a nightmare for our family,” his wife, Helen Comperatore, wrote in a Facebook post. “What my precious girls had to witness is unforgivable. What I had to was.”

“He died the hero he always was.”

Mr. Comperatore was an engineer at JSP, according to his LinkedIn profile.

A GoFundMe to support the Comperatore family was set up on Sunday. So far, more than $3,000 has been donated.

[C-Man 26617]

1 minute ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

But it wouldn’t have been.  It wouldn’t have even cracked the top 10. You don’t know history very well, do you.

Agreed. As of this exact moment, you’re absolutely correct. However, if he’d been killed yesterday and this was the powder-keg moment that ignited a bloody civil war leading to the demise of the US as we know it, it would quickly move up.

[Hookah Horns 2923]

17 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

I am glad I didn’t see people celebrating what could have been one of the worst days in American history yesterday.  As someone who has been part of this site since I can remember, I might not have been able to take that. 

In the big picture I really don't see how it would have been one of the worst days in American history. Obviously political violence is bad and I'm worried about what this portends as it is, but the man has done a lot of damage to this country. 

[sidis 9659]

Just now, Newy25 said:

I didn’t say any of that. Not even close.

I know that. You don’t actually blame Trump for contributing so materially to this environment you find so overwhelmingly sad for you. 

that was my point. 

of course this shit is terrible. Of course it is a microcosm of a fucked up and broken society. It is the America that has allowed children to be murdered with regularity in schools. It is a country in which state governments purposefully inflict emotional and physical torture on women who need medical help. It is a cult that tried to overturn an election and stormed the capitol and tried to murder the vice president on the basis of nothing real because their leader got his feelings hurt that he didn’t win.

but now you’re sad because some people on a message board have their eyebrows raised at the manifestation of turning the crazies loose coming back to bite. 

it is disingenuous. 

[Newy25 7590]

4 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

But it wouldn’t have been.  It wouldn’t have even cracked the top 10. You don’t know history very well, do you.

 

 

1 minute ago, Hookah Horns said:

In the big picture I really don't see how it would have been one of the worst days in American history. Obviously political violence is bad and I'm worried about what this portends as it is, but the man has done a lot of damage to this country. 

Assuming you are real people typing this, what a place we are in our country that these thoughts exist in people’s head. 

[futureman 22342]

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Edited July 14 by futureman

[David Dennison 17754]

Just now, futureman said:

Just a little racist.

[SizzleChest 8092]

18 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Solid pearl clutching, fellas.