Donald Trump Assassination Attempt

[Gil Bang 25551]

2 minutes ago, Updawg said:

Damn. We just stopped in El Paso on the way back from a trip out west. Stayed by the airport not far from that Walmart. Never would have thought that happened there until someone told us.

This country has serious issues

Yep.  And aside from that, El Paso's a pretty nice town.  And that little airport is very nice. 

[Rex Kramer 1234]

19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait….”as shown Saturday.” FASCINATING that “political violence” just got your hackles up on….Saturday. And not after El Paso. Or Charlottesville. Or Buffalo. Or January 6. Or Pittsburgh.
Your timeline of grave concern tells us a shitload about you.

Wait, what?  What a fucking straw man there. Saturday you know just happened. Anyway, my thoughts about the incident ranged from indifference to imagining another candidate. People that aren’t in his camp that repeat no political violence caveats are absolute frauds. 

11 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Are you familiar with the concept of war?

Yes. We weren’t at war yet with Japan. It was a weird, terrible analogy. 

[Dahobbs 17180]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

Yeah, there’s a few crazies mixed in the 330m in the US.   I’m completely surprised, honestly.   

Really shocking how those few crazies almost all randomly espouse right wing talking points. Totally coincidental. 

[Updawg 2245]

Yep.  And aside from that, El Paso's a pretty nice town.  And that little airport is very nice. 

It actually is. Haven’t been through there in ages. I was surprised. Didn’t see one bad hombre

[Gil Bang 25551]

1 minute ago, Updawg said:

It actually is. Haven’t been through there in ages. I was surprised. Didn’t see one bad hombre

What day were you there?  The rapists and murderers come though Tues-Sat.  If you were there on a Sunday or Monday, they'd already moved north. 

[fattyflattie 4633]

1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

Really shocking how those few crazies almost all randomly espouse right wing talking points. Totally coincidental. 

Well, we can look into murder statistics across the US, of which we are all affected.  Most folks opt for the low hanging fruit that backs up their political talking points instead.  You know, point to the shiny, loud object.  

[Gil Bang 25551]

BTW, I've got size 14 feet (and I'm from CA, but I'm not a gay dude from CA) so I never had a need for cowboy boots, but, if I did want them, El Paso seems to be the place to get them. There's a shitload of bootmakers on that frontage road south of the 10

[Updawg 2245]

What day were you there?  The rapists and murderers come though Tues-Sat.  If you were there on a Sunday or Monday, they'd already moved north. 

Oh. We were there Friday evening. And they even got a good rainstorm. God probably knew us whiteys were passing through

[jimmyjazz 45162]

The main thing I've learned on surly this evening is that Bill Burr is funnier than all you motherfuckers combined.

 

OK, I already knew that.  I had it reaffirmed.

[Brisketexan 103515]

The main thing I've learned on surly this evening is that Bill Burr is funnier than all you motherfuckers combined.
 
OK, I already knew that.  I had it reaffirmed.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13407]

I learned leaders of successful coups are more likely to go to jail than leaders of unsuccessful coups. 

['stache 21520]

Oh hey look, the surly right wing cabal is here to tell everyone that it's not so bad. The psychopaths in Milwaukee are saying exactly what they want to accomplish, but if you take it seriously, you're the crazy one. They still refuse to acknowledge the result of a free and fair election and are saying what they'll do to prevent that outcome next time around. They put out a christian nationalist manifesto that would abolish religious freedom and create a true theocracy, but the guy tweeted that he doesn't know anything about it, so calm your tits. They are lying about immigrants saying they are all violent criminals, but don't worry about another El Paso, you're nuts for thinking that the rhetoric is dangerous just because the perpetrator flat out said he believed all of what they say from the podium. Yeah, just a normal election. You're the crazy ones for believing that they believe what they are saying on a daily basis. I swear, the term gaslighting gets way overused these days, but the last few pages is the literal definition of that term. 

Edited July 17 by 'stache

[Captainant 26902]

39 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

The fascists are sucking each other's dicks tonight evidently. Can yall take it to a bathroom stall somewhere?

They're all just getting hot and bothered over the idea of voting for a child rapist

[ROFL BOX 6622]

1 hour ago, Indomitable said:

SIAP
 

 

The most surprising admission to me was that they didnt have the roof secured where the shooter was because it was deemed a safety issue with the sloped roof. They actually had local cops inside the building below. Here’s the sloped roof  

 

 

Shocking levels of incompetence  

 

Based on that pic, 1:12 @ most, probably metal, however satt shots I have seen via the Googs makes me think Single Ply (TPO, most likely).

Either way, very low slope.

 

[ROFL BOX 6622]

[immamac 41617]

It's kinda sad that an attempted assassination thread is just a thread of memes. The great part is that the memes are actually good and objectively funny. 

[Mole 4272]

2 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Shit’s getting real in here.  Let’s get it all out, gents.  

If I’m being perfectly honest, I’m not very found of OU.

[tx 3 putt 75239]

15 minutes ago, immamac said:

It's kinda sad that an attempted assassination thread is just a thread of memes. The great part is that the memes are actually good and objectively funny. 

 

has the weapon been identified ?

shell casing recovered ?

slugs found ?

 

[RomaVicta 29500]

It's an assassinated ear. Memes seem appropriate.

Further, failed assassination attempts are relatively tame events in the context of the wave of mass shootings we're enjoying these last few years.

Putting on a profoundly disapproving face because this murder attempt is something special seems dishonest. He is the leader of the party of stochastic terrorism and has literally encouraged his followers to act with violence.

He's not a Kennedy or Gerald Ford or even Ronald Reagan. They all filled the role of president without calling political opponents and journalists "enemies of the state."

I'm ambivalent about the outcome Saturday. I'm being honest. I don't exactly wish for an assassin, but I do have some sense of poetic justice. What will this POS do to his political opponents if elected?

He's a wild dog leading a pack of wild dogs. 

[mchookem 15535]

[staboner 4940]

its an amazing disconnect. I honestly would like to understand it more, but obv that just isn't reality. 

all the other violent rhetoric, violent actions, etc do not equal an assassination attempt. now we have Bill O'Reilly on TDS lecturing us about how the media should behave in the aftermath of such an event. Lest us remember George Tiller or anything else that makes the rest of us mad. Where is the fucking disconnect? Is it purposeful ignorance and grandstanding - I mean it has to be. I try to refrain from just calling people stupid, but maybe they are evil? I don't like that word either. I get to this point every few years just staring back at my home and how it can be this fucking disconnected. Its just maddening

The modern American brain is fucking rotten. If anyone had any semblance of integrity, responsibility to society, self-esteem, respect for their friends and family they wouldn't be willing to be duped so fucking easily. I guess the answer is they really hate their neighbor that much that it has wiped away any emotional intelligence in affairs of politics, which is now everything. 

I mean its getting worse down here in the 5 years I've been here. Social media is working its magic to ruin our brains too, but holy fuck we aren't starting from a point of half retardation to begin with. 

Anyway, if you want a lecture on political decorum and media responsibility here is Bill goddamn O'Reilly

 

[Art Vandelay 1705]

I love how O'Reilly slams Biden on inflation, Stewart replies, "well, what do you think Biden did to cause it?" Bill: "I don't know."

And the ending is the best. O'Reilly: "And my job as a journalist is to say -- "

Stewart: "Oh, when did you get that job?"

Perfect.

[tx 3 putt 75239]

2 hours ago, 'stache said:

Oh hey look, the surly right wing cabal is here to tell everyone that it's not so bad. The psychopaths in Milwaukee are saying exactly what they want to accomplish, but if you take it seriously, you're the crazy one. They still refuse to acknowledge the result of a free and fair election and are saying what they'll do to prevent that outcome next time around. They put out a christian nationalist manifesto that would abolish religious freedom and create a true theocracy, but the guy tweeted that he doesn't know anything about it, so calm your tits. They are lying about immigrants saying they are all violent criminals, but don't worry about another El Paso, you're nuts for thinking that the rhetoric is dangerous just because the perpetrator flat out said he believed all of what they say from the podium. Yeah, just a normal election. You're the crazy ones for believing that they believe what they are saying on a daily basis. I swear, the term gaslighting gets way overused these days, but the last few pages is the literal definition of that term. 

surly maga ….

 

[tchookem 3895]

I love how O'Reilly slams Biden on inflation, Stewart replies, "well, what do you think Biden did to cause it?" Bill: "I don't know."
And the ending is the best. O'Reilly: "And my job as a journalist is to say -- "
Stewart: "Oh, when did you get that job?"
Perfect.

Jesus Christ. I bet O'Reilly really thinks he came off well. Anyone with half a brain cell could see the bullshit he was spreading. Is it just professional wrestling to people like him? Jon Stewart is a better man than me. I'd end up slapping him... it's not politically motivated if it's just theater, right?

[Bullneck 18691]

 

 

[bolverk 29037]

5 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

surly maga ….

 

That's got to be a parody account. Sound out his name: Doctor, fill up all of her holes.

[Pam Cummings 9416]

9 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Well, we can look into murder statistics across the US, of which we are all affected.  Most folks opt for the low hanging fruit that backs up their political talking points instead.  You know, point to the shiny, loud object.  

You are political aggie. Nothing more. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18403]

10 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

You’ve absolutely lost all your marbles. 

 

10 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Bad shit happens to all people all the time. Is the rhetoric terrible?  Yes. Yeah it is. I would not be surprised with a civil war. Am I comparing republicans to Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor?  Looney Toons. 

As someone whose individual liberties and right to bodily autonomy across the US have been smashed to pieces by the piece of shit that is Trump, from me to you, shut the fuck up.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18403]

10 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

No. There’s a complete lack of logic and perspective in this forum. 

 

10 hours ago, Anastasis said:

It's amazing actually, total disconnect from reality.  

The reality if that if Trump wins, the ability for people of color, women, and LGBTQ+ people to be able to exercise their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness will be almost certain taken away. But hey, you are both white males, so who the fuck cares.

[Native Horn 3465]

9 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

BTW, I've got size 14 feet (and I'm from CA, but I'm not a gay dude from CA) so I never had a need for cowboy boots, but, if I did want them, El Paso seems to be the place to get them. There's a shitload of bootmakers on that frontage road south of the  I-10

Texanized it for ya.

[Dahobbs 17180]

9 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Well, we can look into murder statistics across the US, of which we are all affected.  Most folks opt for the low hanging fruit that backs up their political talking points instead.  You know, point to the shiny, loud object.  

So guns then? (Of course not)

If Mr. Saw locks 5 people in a room, fills it with loaded guns, and then tell them Bob in the red shirt is the one holding them there over and over, when one of them kills Bob does he have any responsibility? Or can he say that it is just the actions of one crazy person that we can never understand? 

Edited July 17 by Dahobbs

[Indomitable 80]

9 hours ago, ROFL BOX said:

Based on that pic, 1:12 @ most, probably metal, however satt shots I have seen via the Googs makes me think Single Ply (TPO, most likely).

Either way, very low slope.

 

Very poor excuses explaining all of this.  The fact that no one has been fired or resigned over it is pretty pathetic.  These people are currently in charge of protecting Biden above all.  I don't feel great about that.

Trump should be dead.  If the shooter was successful, would anyone lose their job? What does it take?

Edited July 17 by Indomitable

[C-Man 26617]

I love how O'Reilly slams Biden on inflation, Stewart replies, "well, what do you think Biden did to cause it?" Bill: "I don't know."
And the ending is the best. O'Reilly: "And my job as a journalist is to say -- "
Stewart: "Oh, when did you get that job?"
Perfect.

That was an incredible moment.

[Dutchrudder 10976]

7 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

surly maga ….

 

Funny thing about that "person's" account...

 

 

Edited July 17 by Dutchrudder

[bolverk 29037]

Obstructed view may have delayed sniper response at Trump rally
3D analysis shows countersnipers likely had difficulty seeing the gunman before he fired.

Within seconds of 20-year-old Pennsylvania resident Thomas Matthew Crooks opening fire at former president Donald Trump’s rally in Butler, on Saturday evening, he was fatally shot by the Secret Service. But how did a specialized team of countersnipers fail to prevent its worst security lapse in decades?

A Washington Post analysis, based on more than 40 videos and photos, as well as satellite imagery and terrain analysis used to build a 3D model examining the rally site and shooter’s position, found that the two Secret Service countersniper teams may have initially been hindered in their ability to see the shooter as he crawled up the roof due to its slanted sides. Trees near the rally likely played a part in obscuring the shooter from at least one team assigned to detect and neutralize would-be snipers.

The Secret Service is responsible for the overall coordination of security measures during an event. The agency’s director said it tasked local law enforcement with securing the building from which Crooks allegedly opened fire and that officers failed to prevent him from accessing the roof.

The Secret Service declined to comment when asked whether the slant of the roof or the trees would have impacted the teams’ ability to respond.

The Post’s assessments were reviewed and corroborated by three former law enforcement officials, including two retired snipers and a former Secret Service agent, as well as a former marine sniper.

The Post’s 3D model established that both units may have been hampered by the pitch of the building’s roof where Crooks was found, which rises roughly 3.5 ft from its exterior walls to its peak. According to the analysis, which placed a camera at the eye view of the teams, Crooks would likely not have been visible as he crawled up the roof to take his final shooting position. The Post’s reconstruction shows that the northernmost Secret Service countersniper team closest to the suspect — slightly more than 400 feet away and atop an approximately 23 foot tall barn — may have further struggled to see him because of two trees located between them.

The second countersniper team, located roughly 550 feet from the shooter, while farther away, could have had a less obstructed view, according to The Post’s reconstruction, because they were positioned slightly to the west and the trees may not have been in their line of sight.

Countersniper teams commonly scan for threats with binoculars, which offer a wider field of vision than a rifle optic, said Jason Lawless, a retired officer who worked as a sniper with the Tulsa Police Department’s Special Operations Team. But about two minutes before gunshots were fired, the northernmost team had already moved to their rifle positions, suggesting they were attuned to a potential threat at that point. It’s unclear exactly when Crooks first became visible to Secret Service countersnipers.

“If they’re on scope, they’ve been notified about something,” Lawless said. As Crooks fired his first shots, one of the countersnipers on the northernmost team flinched, he said, took his eye away from the scope, and reset his position.

The southernmost countersniper team, which can be seen in earlier images facing south, appeared to reorient northward before Crooks allegedly fired, suggesting that they were also aware of a threat.

The two teams’ positions on the barn roofs sat between approximately five and eight feet higher than the rooftop from which Crooks allegedly fired from. This meant that both teams were likely not high enough to see Crooks as he crawled up the other side of the roof, The Post’s model showed.

A law enforcement official with knowledge of the shooting said the sloped roof could have created a visual block to the countersnipers. The countersniper who killed Crooks had him in his sights for some moments trying to assess whether he had a gun and was a threat and then shot him seconds after Crooks fired, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity amid an ongoing investigation.

Authorities have not said which member of Trump’s protection team shot and killed the gunman.

How Crooks scaled the roof of a nearby building, over 400 feet away from where Trump was speaking without being stopped by law enforcement, is under active investigation.

Aerial footage verified by The Post showed his body was located about 40 feet from the eastern edge of the building, which looks out on a parking lot. A few feet from him was a rifle, and farther down the roof an object that resembled a bag.

The Post’s 3D reconstruction shows that while there are trees in between the shooter and one of the secret service teams — which would have offered him concealment, according to Lawless and the other experts — the view between the shooter and the podium where Trump was standing was largely unimpeded.

Aerial footage showed a ladder leaning against a structure connected to the building Crooks allegedly fired from, where there are also air conditioning units. It’s unclear how the shooter reached the roof of the building, which at its lowest point is just over 13 feet high.

While the countersniper teams would have had difficulty seeing Crooks while he was on the far side of the roof, onlookers outside of the rally were able to easily spot him before the first gunfire, raising questions about the effectiveness of nearby local law enforcement patrols.

Multiple videos filmed by attendees outside the rally’s perimeter and verified by The Post reveal their attempts to alert law enforcement to a person on the roof who they thought might be armed. Police officers in the videos walk near the building from which Crooks fired. One video verified by The Post shows people calling out to officers that there was a man on the roof at least 86 seconds before the first shots were fired at 6:11 p.m. The camera zooms in to show him lying on his stomach.

“There should have been police officers in the vicinity who could have either denied him access to start with, or instantly respond to the call,” said Derrick Bartlett, a retired Fort Lauderdale Police Department SWAT sniper and president of the American Sniper Association. “So there was a hole in the security.”

At 6:11 p.m., gunfire crackled the air.

Two audio experts — Rob Maher of Montana State University and Steven Beck of Beck Audio Forensics — counted a total of 10 gunshots after analyzing verified footage of the assassination attempt and law enforcement response that followed. The first eight had similar audio characteristics and were fired in six seconds. They were followed immediately by a shot from a different location, they said, and, 16 seconds after the shooting began, by a final shot. These last two gunshots had different acoustic signatures from the previous ones, suggesting a security response. Both Maher and Beck cautioned that audio analysis alone could not determine the exact source of these gunshots.

On Tuesday, Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle said that local police were responsible for securing the building’s perimeter and that officers were inside when Crooks was on the roof. Part of the reason the agency didn’t request an officer on top, she said, was over safety concerns for someone standing on an angled roof.

The Post’s analysis shows the countersniper teams were positioned on steeper roofs.

On July 14, the day after the shooting, President Biden ordered an independent review of the incident. In a statement, Cheatle said her agency is “working with all involved federal, state and local agencies to understand what happened, how it happened, and how we can prevent an incident like this from ever taking place again.”

[Red Five 40275]

Those pictures probably shouldn't make me chuckle. "Should we cover that one building right across from us over there? That one building. Right next to us." 

[bolverk 29037]

3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Those pictures probably shouldn't make me chuckle. "Should we cover that one building right across from us over there? That one building. Right next to us." 

It's nuts is what it is. Just unbelievable.

Meanwhile, we now know the kid had been practicing, according to the AP. Not a lot of other new details in their update, other than the FBI has cracked his phone and apparently haven't yet found anything.

As a freshman, Crooks had tried out for his high school rifle team but was rejected for poor marksmanship, the AP previously reported. Through his family, he was a member of the Clairton Sportsmen’s Club, a shooting range about 11 miles (17 kilometers) east of Bethel Park.

“We know very little about him,” club president Bill Sellitto told the AP. “That was a terrible, terrible thing that happened Saturday — that’s not what we’re about by any means.”

The club has an outdoor range for high-powered rifles with targets set at distances of up to 170 meters (187 yards).

Crooks was well within that range when he opened fire on Trump Saturday from about 135 meters (147 yards) from where Trump was speaking, unleashing two quick volleys of rounds at the former president with an AR-15 style rifle.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33708]

10 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Really shocking how those few crazies almost all randomly espouse right wing talking points. Totally coincidental. 

and almost all of them seem to come out after dark too. intredasting

2 hours ago, Bullneck said:

 

 

now I'm craving pork buns from East Side King

[Red Five 40275]

49 minutes ago, bolverk said:

“We know very little about him,” club president Bill Sellitto told the AP. “That was a terrible, terrible thing that happened Saturday — that’s not what we’re about by any means.”

Ah thanks Bill. Didn't know.

[Macanudo 12743]

13 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Curious, do y’all talk like this around normal people irl?

 

I am not referring to the last post exclusively, but some of the shit broadly registered in the course of this thread. Cause some of y’all be wilding  

 

If you look to your left and don't see a fuckstick and you look to the right and don't see a fuckstick, you're the fuckstick.

[Pato del Muerto 52036]

12 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

I'm from CA…the 10

You don’t say

[BrickHorn 18029]

14 hours ago, immamac said:

I called my dad a racist piece of shit today.

Your move, JNip.

[ROFL BOX 6622]

35 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

You don’t say

"what'r you doin'?"

 

Edited July 17 by ROFL BOX

[tx 3 putt 75239]

 

[cabowabo 4389]

It will be interesting to see what card the SS pulls out to try to avoid having Cheatle testify in front of Congress on Monday.  Probably the old "active investigation" card.  

[Ted Lange 15924]

12 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

 

The fact that there is a market for that is absolutely insane.  Fucking weridos

[cabowabo 4389]

Just now, Ted Lange said:

 

The fact that there is a market for that is absolutely insane.  Fucking weridos

You do have to admit that they look like pretty high quality sneakers.  

[Dahobbs 17180]

3 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

You do have to admit that they look like pretty high quality sneakers.  

No they don't. 

[texasdago 7389]

1. survive attempt

2. pick a sneaker style

3. slap a logo on it

4. ????

5. profit

[Ted Lange 15924]

NGL, I thought i probably replied to fast and the tweet was parody.    nope

https://gettrumpsneakers.com/products/fight-fight-fight-high-top-sneaker

 

 

The absolute looniest on loons following this clown.