Donald Trump Assassination Attempt

Ted Lange · July 18

12 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Is DEI now a slur in Maga land?

Now?

sidis · July 18

15 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Is DEI now a slur in Maga land?

slave/property -> negro -> n-word -> boy -> monkey/primate references -> back to n-word -> blek -> black twitter -> articulate -> crt -> dei.

added value of dei is they get to snicker about it including more than just blacks, it also gets to grab other derivative groups they hate like lgbtq.

Rex Kramer · July 18

1 hour ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

First bold, obviously. If you are really pro-choice, then you should repudiate the entire fucking Republican party, because they are bound and determined to make women no better than property. Fuck that.

Second bold, Dude, it is the fucking internet. If your fees fees get hurt from a neg on a goddamned message board, maybe you need to step the fuck away.

First point, no, I’m not going to blister people that don’t think like me.

Second, I do not care much except it deters discussion. If you’re just going to get hammered, you’re not going to participate. It’s why people call this an echo chamber. You’re not interested in dialogue or other viewpoints. You want only like minds. You’ll never effect change that way.

1 hour ago, linux said:

Just because they are fucking idiots doing a coup with shamans and idiots does not mean the avenue and the INTENT is not there.

I said he should be in jail or not permitted to run having been convicted as a traitor.

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

But he literally did everything in his power to get state secretaries of state and fake electors to overturn the election. That is Nazi shit, and shouldn't even be in question. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that and to downplay a new trump presidency is why nobody believes the rest of your "I don't like Trump" shit. Being "okay" with it is just as bad, if not worse.

I don’t refuse to acknowledge that. I’m not downplaying his next presidency. I’m not okay with it. I simply am saying I’m not freaking out. Yet.

Dahobbs · July 18

1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

First point, no, I’m not going to blister people that don’t think like me.

Second, I do not care much except it deters discussion. If you’re just going to get hammered, you’re not going to participate. It’s why people call this an echo chamber. You’re not interested in dialogue or other viewpoints. You want only like minds. You’ll never effect change that way.

I said he should be in jail or not permitted to run having been convicted as a traitor.

I don’t refuse to acknowledge that. I’m not downplaying his next presidency. I’m not okay with it. I simply am saying I’m not freaking out. Yet.

The primary thing that gets you negs is when you say you're not freaking out because the bad stuff will not affect you, but then tell others whom it may affect that they are overreacting. That's the very definition of tone deaf. You seem to have realized the issue, but I'm not sure you've embraced what it truly means.

seven · July 18

25 minutes ago, Felix said:

I just read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. If you think the Nazi comparisons are over the top, I suggest you read/listen to it. If I wasn't already concerned, which I was, that took it to another level. The similarities are pretty hard to ignore.

My biggest takeaway from that book is every nazi was a "homosexual and sexual deviant"

PenelopeWitherspoon · July 18

3 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

First point, no, I’m not going to blister people that don’t think like me.

Second, I do not care much except it deters discussion. If you’re just going to get hammered, you’re not going to participate. It’s why people call this an echo chamber. You’re not interested in dialogue or other viewpoints. You want only like minds. You’ll never effect change that way.

I said he should be in jail or not permitted to run having been convicted as a traitor.

I don’t refuse to acknowledge that. I’m not downplaying his next presidency. I’m not okay with it. I simply am saying I’m not freaking out. Yet.

seven · July 18

5 minutes ago, sidis said:

slave/property -> negro -> n-word -> boy -> monkey/primate references -> back to n-word -> blek -> black twitter -> articulate -> crt -> dei.

added value of dei is they get to snicker about it including more than just blacks, it also gets to grab other derivative groups they hate like lgbtq.

Texags banned "feral" so now they say "the culture"

Rex Kramer · July 18

3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

The primary thing that gets you negs is when you say you're not freaking out because the bad stuff will not affect you, but then tell others whom it may affect that they are overreacting. That's the very definition of tone deaf. You seem to have realized the issue, but I'm not sure you've embraced what it truly means.

That’s a mischaracterization. I do not believe we are turning into Nazi Germany. I’m simply being honest by saying some of the things we are seeing don’t affect me. And I know that I am lucky in that regard.

Brisketexan · July 18

1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

I’m pro choice. I agree it’s fucked up. Honestly it doesn’t affect me and I can’t do anything about it, so I do not spend energy getting worked up over it. But I don’t downplay it. I just think some of the Nazi and Pearl Harbor comps are absurd. We are living Godwin’s Law.

Except.....Godwin himself openly repealed Godwin's law. It's okay to compare people following the fucking fascist playbook to fucking fascists because.....and I know this seems like a wacky leap.....people who have fascist plans and do fascist shit are....fascists.

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I have 2 gay and 1 lesbian fam members. None of us are Trump fans, obviously. They definitely view me as the most liberal and reasonable of my family which is entirely conservative. My lesbian aunt is like 81, and she rails and rails on every conservative on Facebook such that I cannot even speak with her; politics is her life and she wears everyone out. My gay cousins are in their late 30s. We get along great. They’re not concerned about another Trump presidency as much as they’re disgusted by it, like me. I have zero connection to trans, but I have daily interaction with Gs and mostly intentional limited interaction with Ls. Labeling them as pedophiles and groomers is ~~laughable~~ STANDARD FUCKING PRACTICE FOR THE ENTIRE GQP.

Fixed that one for ya. It's the entire play. It matters.

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Rather what is overly dramatic (in my mind) is comparisons to Nazis, and the notion that the little coup by Ashli Babbitt and the Viking hat jackass would’ve overthrown democracy. No. They would’ve failed miserably and it would have been over by the end of the day. The military wouldn’t have stood for that. Do I think Trump was behind it? Probably not, but he incited dipshits to attack. He was complicit, and would have been just fine with their success and any benefit he could derive from it. He uses dumb people to his satisfaction.

Have you ever read, and realized what an absolutely incompetent clown squad Hitler's crew was? They were fucking rejects that you wouldn't put in charge of a goddamned used-car dealership....and they captured an entire nation, and bent it to their will. Presuming that otherwise incompetent -- but entirely bold -- people cannot seize whatever they want is worse than a lack of imagination, it's an ignorance of history. Shitty clowns can seize power. We know they can, because shitty clowns a lot like these have actually done so in the past.

And yeah, read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Or shit, spend an hour walking through the German history museum in Berlin, where they tell you plainly and matter-of-fact how it happened there. We visited in 2019. We all walked out with our eyes wide, agreeing that it was the most terrifying museum sequence we'd ever seen, because we just walked through it and checked the box of "yep, that's happening at home, right now" over, and over, and over. We are following the fascist playbook damned near perfectly. When you do that, the result is -- again, huge leap here -- fascism.

You don't much care because you are a member of the last group likely to get fucked: well-off white dudes. Know two things: 1) maybe, just maybe, you should give a shit about people more vulnerable than you, and 2) again, read the history books....the leopards come for the faces of the "in-group" too, in the end. Nobody is safe. Not even card-carrying loyal members of The Party. You'll be a RINO apostate, and suffer a traitor's fate.

It's not that fascism is happening there that shocks me, it's that we're walking right into it, completely ignorant of what is happening right in front of our faces.

Dahobbs · July 18

2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

That’s a mischaracterization. I do not believe we are turning into Nazi Germany. I’m simply being honest by saying some of the things we are seeing don’t affect me. And I know that I am lucky in that regard.

It isn't a mischaracterization of how your posts have been perceived, but it may be an inaccurate portrayal of your feelings. I would qualify that as a misunderstanding more than anything. That said, I think you're very much in denial about what is happening.

Brisketexan · July 18

10 minutes ago, seven said:

My biggest takeaway from that book is every nazi was a "homosexual and sexual deviant"

Like I said, the parallels are pretty close to 100% now.

Gil Bang · July 18

On 7/17/2024 at 12:37 PM, DixonHur said:

Trump likely used a toothpick and some loose thread from his tie to sew himself up in the limo.

If he was wearing a Trump-brand tie, there was plenty of loose thread. Made in China piece of shit.

Michael Knight · July 18

On 7/16/2024 at 9:54 PM, Rex Kramer said:

Bad shit happens to all people all the time. Is the rhetoric terrible? Yes. Yeah it is. I would not be surprised with a civil war. Am I comparing republicans to Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor? Looney Toons.

The Japanese attacking Pearl harbor had more integrity than Republicans

linux · July 18

18 minutes ago, seven said:

My biggest takeaway from that book is every nazi was a "homosexual and sexual deviant"

Grindr said the RNC was their superbowl... People are insane... Ernst Rohm was a homosexual and he was the first one purged

EDIT too late

Edited July 18 by linux

jimmyjazz · July 18

43 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Is DEI now a slur in Maga land?

NOW? Have you not been paying attention?

jimmyjazz · July 18

28 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Second, I do not care much except it deters discussion. If you’re just going to get hammered, you’re not going to participate. It’s why people call this an echo chamber. You’re not interested in dialogue or other viewpoints. You want only like minds. You’ll never effect change that way.

No, and speaking only for myself, I'd be happy to engage legitimate counterarguments to what the average progressive feels is right, but so far I've seen nothing but mealy-mouthed approval of bad behavior by bad actors. Fuck that. You know what's right and what's wrong, you just choose to turn a blind eye to the latter because it benefits you. Fuck you for that.

Edited July 18 by jimmyjazz

Chopper · July 18

"Anti-democracy, anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-jew, anti-science, anti-gov't regulation of industry, anti-free speech, anti-birth control, anti-abortion, anti-bodily autonomy, anti-black, anti-immigration, anti-NATO, anti-Mexico, anti-Canada, anti-accessible health care, anti-diversity, anti-journalism, anti-independent courts, anti-justice, anti-fiscal responsibility, anti-fair system for taxation, anti-climate..."

"Sure but it won't impact me!"

Edited July 18 by Chopper

BamaATL · July 18

27 minutes ago, Chopper said:

"Anti-democracy, anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-jew, anti-science, anti-gov't regulation of industry, anti-free speech, anti-birth control, anti-abortion, anti-bodily autonomy, anti-black, anti-immigration, anti-NATO, anti-Mexico, anti-Canada, anti-accessible health care, anti-diversity, anti-journalism, anti-independent courts, anti-justice, anti-fiscal responsibility, anti-fair system for taxation, anti-climate..."

"Sure but it won't impact me!"

So you want freedom, with absolutely no responsibility whatsoever. You are describing the life of a baby.

(I don't recall which season of Fargo that is from, but that is paraphrased from it). Pretty well sums them up.

bolverk · July 18

13 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

So you want freedom, with absolutely no responsibility whatsoever. You are describing the life of a baby.

(I don't recall which season of Fargo that is from, but that is paraphrased from it). Pretty well sums them up.

Exactly. Vance's moneybags mentor, Peter Thiel, said he "no longer believes that freedom and democracy are compatible." In other words, he wants to be able to do whatever he likes without all the baggage of democracy. I have no doubt that's exactly what Trump, Vance, and the rest of them feel.

SizzleChest · July 18

2 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I’m pro choice. I agree it’s fucked up. Honestly it doesn’t affect me and I can’t do anything about it, so I do not spend energy getting worked up over it. But I don’t downplay it. I just think some of the Nazi and Pearl Harbor comps are absurd. We are living Godwin’s Law.

fattyflattie · July 19

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

anti-jew

Eh, pretty sure y’all own that one now, bud. Hezbollah flags out front should have told you.

Edited July 19 by fattyflattie

Captainant · July 19

2 hours ago, Felix said:

I just read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. If you think the Nazi comparisons are over the top, I suggest you read/listen to it. If I wasn't already concerned, which I was, that took it to another level. The similarities are pretty hard to ignore.

For more fun, check out Robert Evans' "Behind the Insurrection" spin off that he did right after Jan6. The case studies of all the fascist takeovers have SO. MANY. SIMILARITIES. with the republican efforts of today

Captainant · July 19

1 hour ago, seven said:

My biggest takeaway from that book is every nazi was a "homosexual and sexual deviant"

related (nttawwt):

Edited July 19 by Captainant

bolverk · July 19

11 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Eh, pretty sure y’all own that one now, bud. Hezbollah flags out front should have told you.

A lot of people have legitimate beefs with Israel -- some of them are really stupid.

THIS is a fundraising email from YOUR preferred Republican candidate.

https://politicalemails.org/messages/1100444

Remind you of anything?

fattyflattie · July 19

2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

A lot of people have legitimate beefs with Israel -- some of them are really stupid.

THIS is a fundraising email from YOUR preferred Republican candidate.

https://politicalemails.org/messages/1100444

Remind you of anything?

I was certain it would be you or Fantana that replied. The “I just want peace” wink wink guys. It’s alright, sadiiq, do your thing.

bolverk · July 19

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I was certain it would be you or Fantana that replied. The “I just want peace” wink wink guys. It’s alright, sadiiq, do your thing.

Man, I've avoided getting into with you in public because of the polite DM exchange you and I had a couple of years ago, but you can go fuck your own face with that antisemitism accusations. You know nothing, fattyfasci.

Never address me again.

fattyflattie · July 19

Just now, bolverk said:

Man, I've avoided getting into with you in public because of the polite DM exchange you and I had a couple of years ago, but you can go fuck your own face with that antisemitism accusations. You know nothing, fattyfasci.

Never address me again.

Suck a dick. You’re a terrorist sympathizer.

Hank_Hill · July 19

35 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Eh, pretty sure y’all own that one now, bud. Hezbollah flags out front should have told you.

Lmao

Surly Bevo · July 19

7 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Suck a dick. You’re a terrorist sympathizer.

et tu brute?

Anastasis · July 19

This thread really has it all.

mchookem · July 19

TwiceHorn · July 19

3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

It’s looking more and more like this dude just decided to shoot a president and picked the closest one. We are spending way more critical and political thought talking about it than he did.

Also LOL at blaming the DEI secret service or women with guns or whatever instead of the fact that this fucking dude had an easier time getting a carbine than a drink at a bar.

Well, to be fair, he raided his parents' liquor cabinet.

Satchel · July 19

7 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I’ve been hit pretty hard for my somewhat relaxed take on what I feel is his imminent election. Like Penelope is doing what she does, negging every post (of mine, not Ana’s), without any attempt to understand where I’m coming from. I don’t want Trump to get elected, and am already making plans investment wise preparing for it.

I do think people here, and it’s not exclusive to Surly, are being overly dramatic about what will occur under Trump’s second term. I find some of the comparisons ridiculous. But perhaps I haven’t appropriately put myself in their shoes. So I’ll hang up and listen.

You should read Heather McGee’s, The Sum of Us, or catch her Ted Talk. Some of the stuff Trump is planning to harm others, will end up harming you as well, and you won’t even see it coming, because you believe you’re safe.

jimmyjazz · July 19

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I was certain it would be you or Fantana that replied. The “I just want peace” wink wink guys. It’s alright, sadiiq, do your thing.

Are you actually doxxing someone?

Chopper · July 19

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Eh, pretty sure y’all own that one now, bud. Hezbollah flags out front should have told you.

"Why can't you be more like the German generals," Trump asked his then-Chief of Staff.

"Well, you stupid, obese fascist, Hitler's generals tried to kill him so you might want to ask a different question," answered former-Marine General John Kelly. (I may not have typed Kelly's response correctly but that was the gist.)

YGIFS · July 19

1 hour ago, mchookem said:

New York's hottest club is called "Milwaukee." Brought to you by promoter and muppet-come-to-life, Lara Trump. This place has it all. Ear gauze, tanning booths, trying stuff you can't in a small town, Amber Rose inking 'Eskimo Sisters' on everybody's genitals, Russell Brand sexual assault, Hulksters bench-pressing Kid Rocks, and a Cocaine Bear.

"That's a movie, Stefon. What exactly is a 'Cocaine Bear'?"

It's like that thing where Don, Jr.s scrubs all the blow from his beard onto Charlie Kirk's forehead, to see how much Lee Greenwood can do between loops of his one song.

fattyflattie · July 19

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Are you actually doxxing someone?

? Sadiiq is friend in Arabic.

Willfully Horn · July 19

12 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I’ve been hit pretty hard for my somewhat relaxed take on what I feel is his imminent election. Like Penelope is doing what she does, negging every post (of mine, not Ana’s), without any attempt to understand where I’m coming from. I don’t want Trump to get elected, and am already making plans investment wise preparing for it.

I do think people here, and it’s not exclusive to Surly, are being overly dramatic about what will occur under Trump’s second term. I find some of the comparisons ridiculous. But perhaps I haven’t appropriately put myself in their shoes. So I’ll hang up and listen.

Rex, you are entitled to your opinion. This isn’t meant to call you out. I linked the interview because Lofton relied on insults to counter Zappa’s argument, while Zappa laid out his belief the US was heading towards theocratic autocracy, while supporting his belief with facts.

At the very least, Zappa saw that US citizens would lose (by SCOTUS fiat(!)) the right to privacy and to control their lives through family planning.

(And, if you’re truly listening, I suggest you learn more about Peter Thiels’ goals, as he is underwriting Vances’ VP nomination as heir apparent.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/inside-the-new-right-where-peter-thiel-is-placing-his-biggest-bets )

While Lofton looks like a tool in hindsight, he had every opportunity to explain why he thought Zappa was nuts. Not doing so relegates his counter argument to history’s shitter.

Sure, I’ve labeled @Anastasis a narcissist, and @fattyflattie a psycho, hut I made sure to tell them why, (with receipts.) Just as you claim, Rex, I hope for a discussion. If you, (as well as Ana, Flatty, et al) are posting what you believe and feel, without explanation, then you really have no room to belittle other folks beliefs. Especially @Brisketexan, who does explain why he thinks as he does.

Edited July 19 by Willfully Horn

Nice Guy Eddie · July 19

10 hours ago, bolverk said:

Exactly. Vance's moneybags mentor, Peter Thiel, said he "no longer believes that freedom and democracy are compatible." In other words, he wants to be able to do whatever he likes without all the baggage of democracy. I have no doubt that's exactly what Trump, Vance, and the rest of them feel.

This is why there is a quiet campaign to keep telling MAGA that the US is not a democracy. The average MAGA person doesn’t understand the consequences but they can parrot the line and they won’t complain when they lose their vote.

and if you don’t believe that MAGA wants to drop democracy, look no further than the Texas gop calling for an end to popular vote for state officials.

Underdog · July 19

21 hours ago, Indomitable said:

I think the Secret Service should have in shape officers that know how to handle their weapon.

It's weird I know.

I’m the opposite, I think any SS detail for trump should struggle with handling their weapon.

jimmyjazz · July 19

13 minutes ago, Underdog said:

I’m the opposite, I think any SS detail for trump should struggle with handling their weapon.

I'm pretty sure private citizens who happen to be running for office aren't getting the best of the best.

DDD Dad · July 19

15 hours ago, Satchel said:

Is DEI now a slur in Maga land?

15 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

Now?

15 hours ago, sidis said:

slave/property -> negro -> n-word -> boy -> monkey/primate references -> back to n-word -> blek -> black twitter -> articulate -> crt -> dei.

added value of dei is they get to snicker about it including more than just blacks, it also gets to grab other derivative groups they hate like lgbtq.

14 hours ago, seven said:

Texags banned "feral" so now they say "the culture"

14 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

NOW? Have you not been paying attention?

RIP Corey.

Edited July 19 by DDD Dad

Red Five · July 19

Dotard went on and on about that guy, like they were best friends. Went over and kissed his clothes.

Underdog · July 19

God couldn’t be bothered with saving Cory, or maybe the firefighter used all previous 9 lives fighting fires?

RomaVicta · July 19

21 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He isn’t the leader of the free world.

Wasn't when he was president, either.

RomaVicta · July 19

21 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Nah, you're at least 100 lbs overweight with big ole man tits. Uggos are the ones that get obsessed with calling women fat. You're probably poor too. You'll have to post a picture and a copy of your pay stub to prove otherwise. Don't forget to be standing in front of a tree.

Fuck you.

RomaVicta · July 19

21 hours ago, 'stache said:

They act the way they do out of extreme insecurity, because they are full blown weirdos irl. I mean, imagine being genuinely upset about the existence of gay people, drag queens, and trans people. Things that have zero affect on their lives if they want to avoid it, yet it consumes their personalities. Just ~~weird as fuck~~ hateful people.

Humbly altered.

Vegas64 · July 19

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Dotard went on and on about that guy, like they were best friends. Went over and kissed his clothes.

To be honest I was surprised a narcissist like Dotard who said POW's were losers would even honor the guy. I assumed he would give a passing mention, or worse yet, not mention at all, because that is who he is.

I know the Fire Chief garners little (if any) sympathy because of his horrible tweets, etc., but at the end of the day he was still an innocent bystander and victim of gun violence, however thick the irony. He and his family didn't deserve his death. As I thought about it, I think the fact that he died by a bullet with Trump's name on it gave Trump a deeper appreciation and "kinship" dare I say, to the guy which is why you got the whole memorial pomp and circumstance.

Brisketexan · July 19

24 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

To be honest I was surprised a narcissist like Dotard who said POW's were losers would even honor the guy. I assumed he would give a passing mention, or worse yet, not mention at all, because that is who he is.

I know the Fire Chief garners little (if any) sympathy because of his horrible tweets, etc., but at the end of the day he was still an innocent bystander and victim of gun violence, however thick the irony. He and his family didn't deserve his death. As I thought about it, I think the fact that he died by a bullet with Trump's name on it gave Trump a deeper appreciation and "kinship" dare I say, to the guy which is why you got the whole memorial pomp and circumstance.

Erase all of those thoughts. The truth is much simpler than that. Every cultish movement needs martyrs to worship. See, e.g., the elevation of Ashli Babbitt to full heroic martyr status.

wildcat09 · July 19

15 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Eh, pretty sure y’all own that one now, bud. Hezbollah flags out front should have told you.

You're going to vote for a guy who called nazis very fine people and there won't be a single Hezbollah flag in the DNC. Get fucked.

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