Donald Trump Assassination Attempt

[Incredulity 11683]

The SS doesn’t have the audio from the communications that day.  Un-fucking-believable.

[Blotto 23584]

5 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Chad gets that way when he sits on his gun barrel. 

[Nicole44 22078]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

The SS doesn’t have the audio from the communications that day.  Un-fucking-believable.

They normally have audio. Just not that day. I know Cheatle referred to the fbi for the investigation but damn:

how many shell casings on the roof? Ask the FBI.  

Was there a second shooter? She said ask FBI.

Were there people in the building? Yes. Why didn’t any of them hear the shooter on the roof? Said to ask FBI.

Can you give us a timeline of the events? Yes. I have one with me. Can you breakdown what happened that day? My timeline is not specific. 

The oversight committee isn’t exactly a committee that “gets along.” About anything. They were all in agreement on this. 

[chainsaw 9878]

43 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

the Director has not visited the site.

why is this a big deal though

[F250 28826]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

why is this a big deal though

Theatrics, people live for theatrics.

[Blotto 23584]

Just now, F250 said:

Theatrics, people live for theatrics.

DC being Hollywood for ugly people is as good a description of that dysfunctional shithole as I've heard.

[YGIFS 19452]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

why is this a big deal though

Yeah, I don't really fault her for that.  She's back in D.C. doing one debriefing after another, followed by internal inquiries, followed by committee prep, followed by hearings.  She has 5 direct reports and 11 underneath them, most of whom had some hand in this (or lack thereof).  Obviously on her flaws seems to be delegating to competent people.  But tooling around in Western PA for 36 hours when she's got a lotta people to interrogate and then a lotta people to give answer, not a big deal IMHO. 

Plus I'm quite certain there's a protocol way above my paygrade on how they interrogate local law enforecement for incidents like this.  But I'd rather some of them be showing my team around Western PA, while others are brought to DC to USSS HQ, on her turf to be questioned.  Get them outta their bullshit comfort zone and start answering tough questions.  They probably have a room where they can replicate the whole damn thing in 3-D anyway.  I realize that would put a wedge between local LEO and USSS going forward.  But guess what?  Too fucking late.   

[TwiceHorn 31560]

5 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

This is a fantastic question.

Actually, I'm not sure how good a question it is.  A competent sniper can make shots from 1000 yards or more, and they wouldn't use an AR-15 variant.  Really good shooters can hit at nearly 3000 yards, using some other weapon, like a .50 BMG.  Regardless, better, and very common bolt action rifles with optics are widely available and owned by many, e.g. deer hunters, and would have had a much longer lethal range.

Establishing a perimeter at 3/4 mile or more because of the possibility of snipers using common, but not AR-15, rifles isn't really realistic.

Unless the shooter was spraying rounds at pretty close range, an AR-15 variant, most of them, is an objectively bad choice.  

Edited July 23 by TwiceHorn

[Brisketexan 105441]

Actually, I'm not sure how good a question it is.  A competent sniper can make shots from 1000 yards or more, and they wouldn't use an AR-15 variant.  Really good shooters can hit at nearly 3000 yards, using some other weapon, like a .50 BMG.  Regardless, better, and very common bolt action rifles with optics are widely available and owned by many, e.g. deer hunters, and would have had a much longer lethal range.
Establishing a perimeter at 3/4 mile or more because of the possibility of snipers using common, but not AR-15, rifles isn't really realistic.
Unless the shooter was spraying rounds at pretty close range, an AR-15 variant, most of them, is an objectively bad choice.  

This. If you were to assign any of a million hunters in Texas the “mission” of “take a dude out at under 300 yards,” functionally all of them would bring their own scoped rifle in 30/06, .270, .300 WM, etc. And almost all could hit the target’s center mass.
Give a decent shooter a clear shot at a large mammal inside 300 yards, and most will score a solid hit.
That sort of threat is the baseline the SS should be prepared for and should sweep for, in all cases.

[tbone_ 14181]

Give a decent shooter a clear shot at a large mammal inside 300 yards, and most will score a solid hit.

Yea on a perfectly still and crisp December morning shooting at a deer.

I’m guessing Bubba might be slightly less accurate when shooting at the fucking president knowing he will die in about 30 seconds after he pulls the trigger with the whole world watching.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20510]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This. If you were to assign any of a million hunters in Texas the “mission” of “take a dude out at under 300 yards,” functionally all of them would bring their own scoped rifle in 30/06, .270, .300 WM, etc. And almost all could hit the target’s center mass.
Give a decent shooter a clear shot at a large mammal inside 300 yards, and most will score a solid hit.
That sort of threat is the baseline the SS should be prepared for and should sweep for, in all cases.

I think you and TwiceHorn are missing the point of AOC's question.  

[Biff Tannen 45750]

Oh is this where we start talking about calibers and magazines vs clips and a bunch of other stupid gun bullshit?  Because that sounds super fun and definitely has never been done before. 

[TexEx15 17569]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Actually, I'm not sure how good a question it is.  A competent sniper can make shots from 1000 yards or more, and they wouldn't use an AR-15 variant.  Really good shooters can hit at nearly 3000 yards, using some other weapon, like a .50 BMG.  Regardless, better, and very common bolt action rifles with optics are widely available and owned by many, e.g. deer hunters, and would have had a much longer lethal range.

Establishing a perimeter at 3/4 mile or more because of the possibility of snipers using common, but not AR-15, rifles isn't really realistic.

Unless the shooter was spraying rounds at pretty close range, an AR-15 variant, most of them, is an objectively bad choice.  

I mean if you are preparing for the plot of “Shooter” then yes you have a point. In reality the AR-15, as AOC rightly points out, is the soup du jour for these idiots.

[Biff Tannen 45750]

6 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

the soup du jour for these idiots.

Mmm, that sounds good. I’ll have that. 

[Brisketexan 105441]

Yea on a perfectly still and crisp December morning shooting at a deer.

I’m guessing Bubba might be slightly less accurate when shooting at the fucking president knowing he will die in about 30 seconds after he pulls the trigger with the whole world watching.

Sure, there’s a pressure difference. But all you have to do is hit the target. That much kinetic energy on a human, anywhere near the vitals, and they’re generally fucked. The kid was at what, 200 yards? A real rifle with an optic, that’s a 90%+ shot. Which is what the SS should be protecting against. Protect against the higher percentage threats. They can’t stop a guy who can hit a target from 3,000 yards, the perimeter is too big. But that’s a much lower risk.

[tbone_ 14181]

All this assumes the average redneck could get up the ladder

[C-Man 27285]

[YGIFS 19452]

J.D. Vance just got an idea better than sofa sex.

[Pescado_Rojo 19431]

9 hours ago, tbone_ said:

All this assumes the average redneck could get up the ladder

[BamaATL 16593]

33 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

We should encourage them to attempt ladder recreations, remember a fall can be fatal from 4 feet.  I have taken OSHA courses.  

Edited July 23 by BamaATL

[wildcat09 29421]

10 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

I think you and TwiceHorn are missing the point of AOC's question.  

Fucking seriously. Goddamned lawyers man, I swear to god.

['stache 21892]

It feels like this barely even happened, lol. I’m starting to think it’s just evidence that Trump is widely hated, even his supporters understand that it wasn’t a left wing plot but one of their own (or at least a neutral attention whore). Nobody cares about your ear hole jackass.

Edited July 23 by 'stache

[Macanudo 13018]

11 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Oh is this where we start talking about calibers and magazines vs clips and a bunch of other stupid gun bullshit?  Because that sounds super fun and definitely has never been done before. 

Clip it, Biff.  

[Native Horn 3516]

11 hours ago, tbone_ said:

 

Yea on a perfectly still and crisp December morning shooting at a deer.

I’m guessing Bubba might be slightly less accurate when shooting at the fucking president knowing he will die in about 30 seconds after he pulls the trigger with the whole world watching.

 

I agree with your point.  However, he wasn't shooting at the "fucking president."  He was shooting at a convicted felon and rapist who happened to serve as POTUS previously.  

[Nicole44 22078]

Cheatle just resigned

 

Edited July 23 by Nicole44

[mdmost 43056]

As she should. You can't have the single biggest security f up since Reagan and make it through that. 

[Incredulity 11683]

Especially when you show up to the Oversight Committee and spend the afternoon telling Reps to fuck off, we will get back to you in 60 days.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Especially when you show up to the Oversight Committee and spend the afternoon telling Reps to fuck off, we will get back to you in 60 days.

yeah, probably the worst prepped witness in history.  

[Jive Turkey 12648]

[TwiceHorn 31560]

11 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

This. If you were to assign any of a million hunters in Texas the “mission” of “take a dude out at under 300 yards,” functionally all of them would bring their own scoped rifle in 30/06, .270, .300 WM, etc. And almost all could hit the target’s center mass.
Give a decent shooter a clear shot at a large mammal inside 300 yards, and most will score a solid hit.
That sort of threat is the baseline the SS should be prepared for and should sweep for, in all cases.

I guess I should say when I'm talking "perimeter," I'm thinking controlled access rather than an area of overwatch.  They'd have to have overwatch out to 2500-3000 yards, just in case.

[wildcat09 29421]

14 hours ago, Incredulity said:

The SS doesn’t have the audio from the communications that day.  Un-fucking-believable.

"Hey Scotty, did you see that guy with a rifle go up on the roof right above you?"

"Shhhh, busy playing candy crush here. Fuck off." 

 

Yeah, I can see why they wouldn't want to release that

[Incredulity 11683]

4 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

yeah, probably the worst prepped witness in history.  

I am generally not a tinfoil hat dude, but her stonewalling was unbelievable.  

sniper gets to the absolutely most OBVIOUS spot, initial lame ass excuses(sloped roof, not our perimiter...), no audio from the day of, no answers for 60 days.....

 

Edited July 23 by Incredulity

[DDD Dad 14352]

I'm wondering when this was taped.  

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/golf/2024/07/22/bryson-dechambeau-to-play-golf-with-donald-trump-on-his-youtube-channel/

I have to assume this was done prior to the shooting (given the lack of any noticeable injury to his ear) but who knows?

 

 

[C-Man 27285]

17 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I guess I should say when I'm talking "perimeter," I'm thinking controlled access rather than an area of overwatch.  They'd have to have overwatch out to 2500-3000 yards, just in case.

Or, you know, maybe not have these things outside in large spaces. But indoor venues cost money and Trump doesn't like spending any of "his" money.

[Nicole44 22078]

So Biden will now appoint a new SS Director. I assume that has to be done quickly? Given the next four months with major campaigning happening. 

[aggie08 21555]

33 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

I'm wondering when this was taped.  

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/golf/2024/07/22/bryson-dechambeau-to-play-golf-with-donald-trump-on-his-youtube-channel/

I have to assume this was done prior to the shooting (given the lack of any noticeable injury to his ear) but who knows?

 

 

Jesus, what a choad. I wonder how much favorable editing they had to do before Trump signed off on it.

[miguelito 11313]

BDC is listed at 6'-1".

[wildcat09 29421]

3 minutes ago, miguelito said:

BDC is listed at 6'-1".

And we know Trump has some huge fucking lifts in those shoes.

[Nicole44 22078]

2 minutes ago, miguelito said:

BDC is listed at 6'-1".

Question for the dudes: when yall say 5’10 that means what height? When guys say 6 foot or 6’1” that means? Because a lot of times (I am 5’8”) I will be around guys that say they are 6 foot and there is no fucking way. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

Just now, Nicole44 said:

Question for the dudes: when yall say 5’10 that means what height? When guys say 6 foot or 6’1” that means? Because a lot of times (I am 5’8”) I will be around guys that say they are 6 foot and there is no fucking way. 

i'm closer to 6'2" than 6'1, but always say 6'1 because lying about height is cringy as fuck.

[Red Five 40898]

1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

Question for the dudes: when yall say 5’10 that means what height? When guys say 6 foot or 6’1” that means? Because a lot of times (I am 5’8”) I will be around guys that say they are 6 foot and there is no fucking way. 

I'm "Six feet, in shoes". Which means 5'11".

[Longhorn_Fan68 33900]

4 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

i'm closer to 6'2" than 6'1, but always say 6'1 because lying about height is cringy as fuck.

what about lying about waist size?

[Pam Cummings 9684]

52 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

I'm wondering when this was taped.  

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/golf/2024/07/22/bryson-dechambeau-to-play-golf-with-donald-trump-on-his-youtube-channel/

I have to assume this was done prior to the shooting (given the lack of any noticeable injury to his ear) but who knows?

 

 

Fuck this cheating mofo. God I hate him. And also this is why I will never ever root for douchebag bryson.

[hookemATL 11916]

“Hey girl, I’m 6’ 1 & 13/16” tall. So…yeah.”

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13528]

15 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

They normally have audio. Just not that day. I know Cheatle referred to the fbi for the investigation but damn:

how many shell casings on the roof? Ask the FBI.  

Was there a second shooter? She said ask FBI.

Were there people in the building? Yes. Why didn’t any of them hear the shooter on the roof? Said to ask FBI.

Can you give us a timeline of the events? Yes. I have one with me. Can you breakdown what happened that day? My timeline is not specific. 

The oversight committee isn’t exactly a committee that “gets along.” About anything. They were all in agreement on this. 

I'm unsure that the USSS has any investigatory authority over a situation like this. And honesty, I don't think we would want them to investigate their own. 

[yoladu 4108]

15 hours ago, Incredulity said:

The SS doesn’t have the audio from the communications that day.  Un-fucking-believable.

do you even January 6th, bro?

[kevwun 15929]

The SS is really good at deleting digital records.  Other things, not so much.

Edited July 23 by kevwun

[Nice Guy Eddie 13528]

I assume that the USSS purposefully does not maintain audio recordings because the people that they "protect" need to feel secure in that the current situation will not be broadcast. One agent needing to communicate to another agent regarding a secret meeting, legitimate or even a less than legitimate personal meeting.

If the protected person feels that confidential info is being recorded and maintained, they may look to get away from their security detail.

The downside is that when a situation occurs, we have to rely on personal memories or cover ups.

[Incredulity 11683]

3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I assume that the USSS purposefully does not maintain audio recordings because the people that they "protect" need to feel secure in that the current situation will not be broadcast. One agent needing to communicate to another agent regarding a secret meeting, legitimate or even a less than legitimate personal meeting.

If the protected person feels that confidential info is being recorded and maintained, they may look to get away from their security detail.

The downside is that when a situation occurs, we have to rely on personal memories or cover ups.

If that is the policy and practice they should say as much.  That's not what is being portrayed, nor has it been in the past instances.

[kevwun 15929]

It's no policy, they delete records to save their own asses.