[Harris+Walz] The 2024 DNC: TURN DOWN FOR WHAT?!

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Just now, Covri said:

So I was watching last night for the most part, but I didn't see any surprise guests, seeing today that Steph Curry did a recorded video last night I must have missed, was that the special guest? 

that would explain the Bay Area tweet

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2 hours ago, 'stache said:

So is creasy gonna let that dude cum on him or what?

 

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2 hours ago, Radical Larry said:

Jesus Christ, man! There are some things you don’t talk about in public. 

Narrator: “Apparently not….”

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8 minutes ago, Covri said:

So I was watching last night for the most part, but I didn't see any surprise guests, seeing today that Steph Curry did a recorded video last night I must have missed, was that the special guest? 

Good thread on how the rumor took off:

 

[Goredho 17408]

2 hours ago, Hawndoh said:

Yeah the smashing TV videos are played out and all fake.

In 1989 I shot my TV when Lou Holtz was on ESPN bitching and slobbering about Notre Dame not making the national championship.  No cameras, no social media.  That's how you stupidly and ineffectually protest what you are witnessing, MAGA.

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15 minutes ago, Covri said:

So I was watching last night for the most part, but I didn't see any surprise guests, seeing today that Steph Curry did a recorded video last night I must have missed, was that the special guest? 

The special guest was a Surly poster who hadn’t been in CR in 6 months, and who was willing to cum on another Surly poster’s chest.

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10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Good thread on how the rumor took off:

 

Can you threadreader it, please?

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10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Good thread on how the rumor took off:

 

Someone take Simone's phone away from her 

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7 minutes ago, Goredho said:

In 1989 I shot my TV when Lou Holtz was on ESPN bitching and slobbering about Notre Dame not making the national championship.  No cameras, no social media.  That's how you stupidly and ineffectually protest what you are witnessing, MAGA.

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Just now, safe sex said:

Can you threadreader it, please?

What does that mean

[bolverk 29684]

Good post mortem on the protests:

Protests at the Democrats’ Convention Weren’t as Big and Disruptive as Some Expected
Pro-Palestinian organizers predicted overwhelming turnout that would take their case directly to the Democrats. Protesters gathered, but they did not steal the show.

It wasn’t 1968. It wasn’t even close.

After months of anticipation, planning and vows of mass protest in Chicago that called to mind the tumult of the 1968 Democratic National Convention, the demonstrators who challenged the Democratic Party over the conflict in Gaza remained largely in the background.

While thousands of people joined enthusiastic daily protests in parks and on the streets of Chicago, a city with a deep history of protests, their numbers were fewer than organizers had hoped.

All week, demonstrators chanted and marched near the convention site, angrily calling for a cease-fire and an end to U.S. aid for Israel, but failed to seriously disrupt the convention and its celebration of Vice President Kamala Harris, the party’s presidential nominee. Though many demonstrators hoped that the convention organizers would grant a speaker of Palestinian descent a chance to address the crowd, that request was ultimately denied.

And after four days of protesters pushing to make the war in Gaza a focus of the convention, its final evening on Thursday ended with Ms. Harris directly acknowledging the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza and repeating calls for a cease-fire, but also centering her speech on discussions of abortion access, immigration and the record of her opponent.

“There is some sort of wall between what we’re saying and what these politicians are willing to hear,” Josephine Guilbeau, an Army veteran, said at a pro-Palestinian protest on Thursday, lamenting that Democratic leaders had mostly ignored the cries of protesters.

On the last night of the convention, protesters acknowledged they were tired after days of demonstrations, but hundreds marched until after 9 p.m. Organizers summed up the week on an optimistic note, pointing out that President Biden had mentioned “protesters out in the street” when he addressed the convention.

Hatem Abudayyeh, an organizer of the largest protest marches, said that the group’s activism had brought together a range of causes on the left, letting Democrats know that many voters are looking for a policy change on the Israel-Hamas war.

“We didn’t expect that in four days of the D.N.C., that all of a sudden, 75 years of policy on Palestine are going to be changed and they were going to say, ‘We’re going to stop Israel today,’” Mr. Abudayyeh said. “But what we do believe is that they heard us.”

Others in attendance said they had hoped for more robust numbers at the demonstrations.

“I think the passion is still there,” Robert Felton, 46, a case worker for the state of Illinois, said at a rally on Tuesday. “I would like to see maybe a little bit more passion in Chicago. I think I just was hoping the movement was a little bit bigger.”

cont'd (it's worth reading in full):

Spoiler

Before the convention, there were indications that the protests could be significant, both in size and impact. The Chicago area has one of the largest concentrations of Palestinian Americans in the country, and pro-Palestinian demonstrations have been held frequently in the city since October, when Hamas launched a deadly attack on Israel.

Chicago Police Department officials vowed that violence or destruction from demonstrators would be met with arrests. But the department also prepared for months with de-escalation training to manage protests, eager to show that it was not the same department of 1968, when officers used tear gas to disperse antiwar demonstrators and beat them with billy clubs.

“Let’s stop talking about 1968,” Larry Snelling, the police superintendent, said. “It is 2024.”

Strategists said that the smaller-than-expected turnout could suggest that the Democrats might have less of a schism over policy than the party leadership has feared, and that concerns over Gaza were not foremost among Democratic voters.

A recent survey of American adults, by GenForward at the University of Chicago, found that 2 percent of those surveyed believed the war in Gaza was the most important problem facing the United States. The survey also found that 6 percent of people, and 10 percent of those 26 and younger, said they had been inclined to vote for Ms. Harris but that the Biden administration’s handling of the war made them less likely to do so.

Far more of the people surveyed — 49 percent to 18 percent — disapproved of Mr. Biden’s handling of the war than approved of it.

“There’s very little organic energy or organic participation,” said Tom Bowen, a Democratic strategist in Chicago who worked for both Rahm Emanuel and Lori Lightfoot, mayors who saw robust, angry street protests during their tenures. “You can generally tell when there’s an energy behind a movement or sympathy with its cause, and that’s just not the case here.”

In Chicago this week, protesters held signs and Palestinian flags, gave speeches and chanted as they walked through the streets of the Near West Side, some of them pushing children in strollers. At times, demonstrators called out, “Free, free Palestine,” and displayed a range of signs, including many that were homemade. One read: “Work harder for my vote.”

Most of the protests were concentrated around two city parks a few blocks from the United Center, where thousands of delegates and attendees gathered each evening. The protests took place outside imposing metal barricades that separated several blocks around the convention center from the rest of Chicago.

Through the week, the weather was nearly perfect — with temperatures in the 70s and sunny skies — and the police were omnipresent, following protests on bicycles and on foot, and quickly donning helmets and holding riot shields when things turned tense.

A small protest organized on Tuesday night outside the Israeli consulate ended in dozens of arrests after masked demonstrators scuffled with police officers, and on Monday, several protesters who breached a barricade outside the United Center were arrested. By Thursday, at least 70 people had been arrested, the authorities said.

The largest protest occurred on Monday, with several thousand people, including activists who rode buses from other states to attend. Other days drew smaller crowds. Small groups of activists interrupted events tied to the convention, including a welcome party for delegates at Navy Pier. On a bridge over the Chicago River, someone unfurled a banner with a pro-Palestinian message while tour boats passed below. And early Thursday morning, several dozen activists held signs on Michigan Avenue.

Some people who joined marches said that it was Mr. Biden’s absence from the ticket that might have dampened enthusiasm for demonstrations.

Byron Sigcho-Lopez, a Chicago City Council member who has supported the coalition leading the marches, said he believed Ms. Harris’s substitution as the presidential nominee contributed to smaller crowd sizes, even as protesters continued to press for changes to White House policy, not just campaign rhetoric.

“If President Biden would have remained at the top the ticket,” he said, “I think that we would have seen not only 30,000, probably more than 30,000 people, outside protesting the president.”

Inside the convention hall, pro-Palestinian activists also had a presence, though not the platform they had wanted. A group of 30 delegates representing voters who had remained uncommitted in protest of the Biden administration’s policies in Israel and Gaza had their votes announced as “present” during the roll call. They also had called for someone of Palestinian descent to be permitted to speak at the convention.

“Yes, we’re looking for a change in policy, but we’re also looking for signs of good faith,” said Jeremiah Ellison, a Minneapolis City Council member who was among the uncommitted delegates. “We don’t think that was a big ask, but the campaign acted like it was an incredibly high bar to clear.”

Taher Herzallah, a graduate student at the University of Minnesota who helped organize campus protests this spring, said he was among the movement’s leaders who concluded there was little point in traveling to Chicago this week.

The relatively small numbers of demonstrators — which appeared to be well below organizers’ estimates of tens of thousands of activists — reflect a lack of enthusiasm for the idea that they would influence Democrats attending the convention, he said.

Mr. Herzallah said movement leaders were switching strategies, starting to focus more on local races and to boycott campaigns.

“People are trying to employ different tactics because we recognize that after 10 months of being on the streets, we have to deploy different tactics to make sure we are being heard,” he said.

Holding a sign condemning U.S. support for Israel, Joe McKeown, a retired teacher in the Chicago area and a longtime Democrat, said he was planning not to vote for either major party — for the first time — unless the Democrats made a marked change in policy.

“I’d need to hear absolute evidence that they are willing to stop funding genocide,” said Mr. McKeown, 66, adding, “If I don’t see that, I’m not voting for them.”
In the middle of a crowd, Safiya Fatima, 22, marched among the beating drums and chanting of fellow protesters.

“I’m glad that we were able to make our voices heard,” she said. “In Chicago, we have such a big population of Palestinians, so this just seems like the right place for us to make our voices heard to the people who are here in the D.N.C.”

Ms. Fatima was active in campus protests last spring at the University of Illinois Chicago. As students are about to return to college, she hopes to see a return to the protests and encampments that roiled campuses in the spring.

“I don’t believe that there should be any need to slow down until we see a free Palestine,” she said. “Not just a cease-fire.”

 

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10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Good thread on how the rumor took off:

 

Supposedly in follow up messages, Angry Staffer said it was supposed to be Beyonce, but it didn't work out.

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

What does that mean

https://threadreaderapp.com/

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2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

It wasn’t 1968. It wasn’t even close.

And yet 5 days ago, many posters were trying to convince us these were going to be disruptive, harmful and violent. Guess not 

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8 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

What does that mean

A large share of us have completely dropped Xitter and, therefore, can no longer read anything Xits beyond the first one in a thread. However, there's a bot called "Thread reader" that basically rolls up all of the Xits in a nice package that allows non-Xitters to read the full Xit in a single link that you can post here.

Edit: See @safe sex's link.

Edited August 23 by bolverk

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12 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Protests at the Democrats’ Convention Weren’t as Big and Disruptive as Some Expected

Because they understood the assignment.

[Js1 85399]

Chainsaw, since you liked my post about the protests and I’m not wading into that Israel thread - happy or not about her section on Israel/Gaza? One word answer is fine 

Edited August 23 by Js1

[chainsaw 9870]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Chainsaw, since you liked my post about the protests and I’m not wading into that Israel thread - happy or not about her section on Israel/Gaza? One word answer is fine 

I appreciate that she acknowledged the problem, but the DNC's favoritism is a bad look and judging by the social media from Uncommitted it risks steering many voters to Cornel West, Jill Stein, or to stay home. I'll post a more detailed explanation in the Israel thread when I have time.

[Sbbruin 21861]

I’ll admit that prior to last night, my primary, and really sole reason for voting for her was because she’s not Trump.  But she was eloquent, direct, and frankly presidential in her delivery.  I have confidence she can perform well in the job.  I think she’s going to absolutely destroy him in a debate.  He’s got to be shitting his pants about that.  Although he probably does that on the reg anyway.

[Js1 85399]

Didn’t see it posted but Wednesday night was 20% above the RNC (Walz vs Vance night)

Cant wait to see the Thursday numbers 

[Tuco 5076]

Chainsaw, since you liked my post about the protests and I’m not wading into that Israel thread - happy or not about her section on Israel/Gaza? One word answer is fine 

Nope.

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3 minutes ago, Tuco said:

Nope.

Yeah that was obvious. Doesn’t sound like anything said would be enough 

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16 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

I’ll admit that prior to last night, my primary, and really sole reason for voting for her was because she’s not Trump.  But she was eloquent, direct, and frankly presidential in her delivery.  I have confidence she can perform well in the job.  I think she’s going to absolutely destroy him in a debate.  He’s got to be shitting his pants about that.  Although he probably does that on the reg anyway.

yeah i voted for Biden in 2020 because he wasn't Trump and would have been happy to do so again this year if it came to it.  But now I'm actualy excited to be voting for Kamala.

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[Goofyboy 3293]

yeah i voted for Biden in 2020 because he wasn't Trump and would have been happy to do so again this year if it came to it.  But now I'm actualy excited to be voting for Kamala.

Same. We’ve donated. I’ve only done that one other time for Ron Paul for Congress.

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2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Do you often video you and the other bros watching a political convention?

I think if you're an "influencer" you have to video every waking moment of your life.  It's like a rule or something for those attention whore freaks.

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2 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

This place was fucking wild last night. 
 

We was bringing it last night.

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20 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

I’ll admit that prior to last night, my primary, and really sole reason for voting for her was because she’s not Trump.  But she was eloquent, direct, and frankly presidential in her delivery.  I have confidence she can perform well in the job.  I think she’s going to absolutely destroy him in a debate.  He’s got to be shitting his pants about that.  Although he probably does that on the reg anyway.

I still don't think he'll debate her. This is why he keeps trying to front load the Fox debate the first week of September, well before the signed off on ABC debate.  He has stated that the Fox debate will continue whether she shows up or not.  She has never indicated that she would debate anything before they're agreed upon ABC debate precisely so he wouldn't back out of it. My guess is that both will debate an empty podium in their time slots, except hers will play to a wider audience, whereas his is built in.

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6 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

I’ve only done that one other time for Ron Paul for Congress.

Edited August 23 by CooterBrown

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2 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

I still don't think he'll debate her. This is why he keeps trying to front load the Fox debate the first week of September, well before the signed off on ABC debate.  He has stated that the Fox debate will continue whether she shows up or not.  She has never indicated that she would debate anything before they're agreed upon ABC debate precisely so he wouldn't back out of it. My guess is that both will debate an empty podium in their time slots, except hers will play to a wider audience, whereas his is built in.

I'll be shocked if Trump debates her. It's possible that he could be down enough in the polls that even he sees it as a necessity but he would still likely decline. Of course he won't position it as an invite decline. He will say that Biden is the real nominee who had the nomination illegally stolen and Trump won't support that action.

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2 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

haha, he's nuts I have a somewhat soft spot for ol'Ron... his office helped expedite getting my SS card replacement with the typical red tape bs. 

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I'll be shocked if Trump debates her. It's possible that he could be down enough in the polls that even he sees it as a necessity but he would still likely decline. Of course he won't position it as an invite decline. He will say that Biden is the real nominee who had the nomination illegally stolen and Trump won't support that action.

It’s going to be a very bad look for him. Old and crazy.

Like Nixon/JFK but much worse.

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32 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

I’ll admit that prior to last night, my primary, and really sole reason for voting for her was because she’s not Trump.  But she was eloquent, direct, and frankly presidential in her delivery.  I have confidence she can perform well in the job.  I think she’s going to absolutely destroy him in a debate.  He’s got to be shitting his pants about that.  Although he probably does that on the reg anyway.

He's not shitting his pants. At least not out of fear. That's not how narcisism works. Dollars to donuts, he thinks he's gonig to just destroy her, and that will be that. He doesn't understand that his inability to control himself will be a huge detriment, because by and large, his lack of control has never really cost him much in his life he couldn't wiggle away from in some fashion or another.

If I'm harris, I prepare a few biting comments if he does the lurk around shit like he did with Hillary. 

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41 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I appreciate that she acknowledged the problem, but the DNC's favoritism is a bad look and judging by the social media from Uncommitted it risks steering many voters to Cornel West, Jill Stein, or to stay home. I'll post a more detailed explanation in the Israel thread when I have time.

[Js1 85399]

And guess who didn't make the ballot in Michigan?

Cornel West lol

[Mdhorn 5970]

10 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Well, I can't match Swayze, but I got bored and fucked around with an Obama poster generator.  I kinda like it. 

Missing background swastika. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

4 minutes ago, Red Five said:

It’s going to be a very bad look for him. Old and crazy.

Like Nixon/JFK but much worse.

I'm unsure if he can have a worse look than from last night on fox news. "She's going to give a tax increase of 4 to 5 times what people and companies are paying right now" while simultaneously punching the the 4 and 5 buttons on his phone to accentuate his point.

In a weird way he may be right since he personally pays so little in taxes that 5x-ing that amount may only get him aligned to the average worker.

[Tuco 5076]

Yeah that was obvious. Doesn’t sound like anything said would be enough 

That’s an interesting extrapolation from one word. I can write up a longer explanation in the Israel thread tonight, if you’re interested.

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7 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

He's not shitting his pants. At least not out of fear. That's not how narcisism works. Dollars to donuts, he thinks he's gonig to just destroy her, and that will be that. He doesn't understand that his inability to control himself will be a huge detriment, because by and large, his lack of control has never really cost him much in his life he couldn't wiggle away from in some fashion or another.

If I'm harris, I prepare a few biting comments if he does the lurk around shit like he did with Hillary. 

But after he doesn’t destroy her, he will believe that he has done. And nobody will be able to tell him otherwise. He exists in his own world in which he is perfect. 

[C-Man 27230]

10 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Well, I can't match Swayze, but I got bored and fucked around with an Obama poster generator.  I kinda like it. 

I bought a sheet full of these stickers back in 2020. I wouldn't mind an updated version, though I was more voting AGAINST Trump than FOR Harris in that one. I had no idea Biden would be as good as he's been. This go-round, I'm fucking EXCITED to vote FOR Harris/Walz and not just AGAINST the orange fuckstick.

 

 

Well, these would be pretty nice!

 

Edited August 23 by C-Man

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3 hours ago, immamac said:

 

I was, asleep. I have a family and a life outside of babysitting a bunch of grown ups on the internet. 

@Patricio SwayzeSwSwayzeSSwayzeSwSwayzeSwayzeSwSwayzeSSwayzeSwSw

Unacceptable!

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Good thread on how the rumor took off:

 

angry staffer is usually pretty good but their inside knowledge is waning, weren't they on staff during the last term of obama? intelligence I think? it's been a long time since they were on the inside. my wife follows them and pays attention or at least did for a long while.

Edited August 23 by troph

[Goofyboy 3293]

haha, he's nuts I have a somewhat soft spot for ol'Ron... his office helped expedite getting my SS card replacement with the typical red tape bs. 

Yeah - I donated before he went super nuts. Early 2000’s.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20411]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

And yet 5 days ago, many posters were trying to convince us these were going to be disruptive, harmful and violent. Guess not 

It probably didn't hurt that Trump was all over the news talking about how he's the biggest Israel supporter in history and how nobody has ever done more for Israel than he has. 

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59 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I appreciate that she acknowledged the problem, but the DNC's favoritism is a bad look and judging by the social media from Uncommitted it risks steering many voters to Cornel West, Jill Stein, or to stay home. I'll post a more detailed explanation in the Israel thread when I have time.

It doesn't matter what she did, those morons were never going to vote for her.  Because they are morons.

[Pato del Muerto 52524]

8 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

It probably didn't hurt that Trump was all over the news talking about how he's the biggest Israel supporter in history and how nobody has ever done more for Israel than he has. 

And that’s why Palestinians can’t vote for Harris, obviously 

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[crash_davis 23113]

Trump will not go on a debate where the network will fact check him. In the Biden debate, he was allowed to spew all kinds of bullshit and was not called out for it. We saw how that turned out with Biden getting the bad reviews from that debate while nothing came of Trump's bullshit lies.

I imagine that's why he wants to debate on Fox because they will not fact check his bullshit.

There's no way his team allows him to debate a prosecutor whose is well versed in debating while getting called out for this bullshit by the moderator. His team has to want him to lose to allow it.

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46 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said: