[Harris+Walz] The 2024 DNC: TURN DOWN FOR WHAT?!

[chainsaw 10286]

13 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Man, I don't know. From the side that thinks it's cool to call a college educated prosecutor then DA then Attorney General then Senator then VP a "DEI hire". Also questioning her racial identity. Yeah, let's really take tenor tips from that side. The giant elevators of reasonable debate in this country. 

 

 

[Sawbonz 28218]

3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

As much as we are fan-girling over Tim Walz right now, let's not lose sight of what Kamala Harris just did.  She picked a running mate who can easily be seen as upstaging her.  And that's tough for any politician--Donald Trump could never do it.  A lot of people have alleged that was part of what was behind Bush's choice of Cheney rather than McCain.  And I imagine that has to be particularly tough for a candidate who didn't go through the primary process and is herself still introducing herself to the voters.

But she put her ego to the side and made the best pick for the campaign and for the country.

Yeah, fellas--we got a winner on our hands.

Women think/work collaboratively much better than men. This is like example 10 billion of that

[The Dog 44856]

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5662]

34 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

[WhatTheBuck 28928]

1 hour ago, Blotto said:

Yup, which makes Bernie's support even more meaningful. At the end of the day, Walz is a good, principled man, and we need that now. And Bernie can recognize that.

He’s not a moderate. Free college (and other expanded social services), legal pot, restricting gun access - those are progressive policies. He’s more closely aligned with Bernie Sanders ideologically than he is with Josh Shapiro who is more of a centrist. That’s why Shapiro was under attack by the left wing of the party. I support his policies but they’re going to call him a socialist. 

[chainsaw 10286]

3 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Free college (and other expanded social services), legal pot, restricting gun access

Each of these things are super popular. If they FINALLY grow the balls to run on these things (and I'm cautiously optimistic that it looks like they have) they will see more packed, energetic arenas of supporters. This is what enthusiasm does to a campaign.

Fear of the "s-word" is closely linked to the political instinct that would have kept the party from replacing Biden.

[Francisco 2.0 32586]

 

 

[Gil Bang 26234]

Hey Y'all...shit moves fast and I've got a few windows open, so forgive me if it was posted here.

 

Tim Walz has a state SUV of course, but his personal vehicle that he drives and maintains?  A fucking International Scout II.   I love this crusty mofo more than I did 15 minutes ago. 

[Blotto 24013]

4 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

He’s not a moderate. Free college (and other expanded social services), legal pot, restricting gun access - those are progressive policies. He’s more closely aligned with Bernie Sanders ideologically than he is with Josh Shapiro who is more of a centrist. That’s why Shapiro was under attack by the left wing of the party. I support his policies but they’re going to call him a socialist. 

And yet when you look at his voting record graphed Liberal<-->Conservative, he was further to the center than most of his democratic colleagues in his time in the house.  And nobody give a flying fuck what "they" are going to call him. "they" call every single politician  with a D by their  name  a  socialist. 

[Captainant 28530]

2 hours ago, immamac said:

Except moderate as fuck. 

You say that, but he's passing some of the most progressive policy in the country in his state

[Gil Bang 26234]

 

[Gil Bang 26234]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

You say that, but he's passing some of the most progressive policy in the country in his state

if giving tampons to high school girls that need them is "progressive", then call me fucking Fidel.  That's just fucking COMMON SENSE. 

[Sawbonz 28218]

42 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

 

That dude looks like he has spit on his share of cock and jumped on

[Party_Taco 3889]

Saw in the other thread so this is likely a repost here but fuck it, worth seeing again:



 

[Gil Bang 26234]

8 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

That dude looks like he has spit on his share of cock and jumped on

I'm not willing to go that far, but I do expect he takes a "wide stance" in an airport shitter stall. 

[Gatorubet 30711]

8 hours ago, Chopper said:

"Kamala Chaos": There was an attempt.

 

8 hours ago, mdmost said:

The chick on the far right is high AF and just wanting it to be over. The rest are just wanting to get their check on go home. 

You cannot see her eyes behind her shades, but she is scanning the crowd looking to see who might have steroids she can steal.  And it’s a good thing.  She has a doll eyes, lifeless eyes. 

[Captainant 28530]

8 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

if giving tampons to high school girls that need them is "progressive", then call me fucking Fidel.  That's just fucking COMMON SENSE. 

Legalized weed, enshrined abortion rights, free school meals, and so on are all pretty goddamn progressive in America

[tx 3 putt 78675]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Legalized weed, enshrined abortion rights, free school meals, and so on are all pretty goddamn progressive in America

 

he's the anti abbott 

[immamac 44339]

5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Legalized weed, enshrined abortion rights, free school meals, and so on are all pretty goddamn progressive in America

Not really man. That's not progressive at all. You are mistaking progress with progressivism. 

[safe sex 12000]

At this point in America, what's the functional difference?

[Gil Bang 26234]

11 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Legalized weed, enshrined abortion rights, free school meals, and so on are all pretty goddamn progressive in America

Jesus Christ.

 

 

 

and by that, I mean I'm pretty sure that Jesus Christ would be in favor of feeding kids, legalizing weed, and passing out tampons.  I'll leave abortion for you religious folks to argue about. 

[Gil Bang 26234]

BTW, I was with my (ex) wife for over 20 years.  I knew when her period was coming, but for her, it was a TOTAL FUCKING SURPRISE.  

To the extent that I kept tampons in the glove boxes of both of our vehicles.  Yet, she couldn't keep one in her purse for an emergency.  

[softlynow 1894]

I love slap fights about how to label a guy we all like because he has taken positions we also favor and signed into law things we all agree with. We need several more pages of nothing but that. 

[gmr548 16695]

2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

If you guys think Walz is moderate, good. But I actually think he was the strongest on Labor, school vouchers, really a host of issues that progressives care about.

 

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I’m a moderate. I care about all of those things. Quite a bit. 

 

44 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

He’s not a moderate. Free college (and other expanded social services), legal pot, restricting gun access - those are progressive policies. He’s more closely aligned with Bernie Sanders ideologically than he is with Josh Shapiro who is more of a centrist. That’s why Shapiro was under attack by the left wing of the party. I support his policies but they’re going to call him a socialist. 

 

39 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Each of these things are super popular. If they FINALLY grow the balls to run on these things (and I'm cautiously optimistic that it looks like they have) they will see more packed, energetic arenas of supporters. This is what enthusiasm does to a campaign.

Fear of the "s-word" is closely linked to the political instinct that would have kept the party from replacing Biden.

 

36 minutes ago, Blotto said:

And yet when you look at his voting record graphed Liberal<-->Conservative, he was further to the center than most of his democratic colleagues in his time in the house.  And nobody give a flying fuck what "they" are going to call him. "they" call every single politician  with a D by their  name  a  socialist. 

 

34 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

if giving tampons to high school girls that need them is "progressive", then call me fucking Fidel.  That's just fucking COMMON SENSE. 

I don't think any of you are necessarily wrong, but this discussion is illustrative of just how far to the right the Overton Window drifted in this country.

[chainsaw 10286]

3 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think any of you are necessarily wrong, but this discussion is illustrative of just how far to the right the Overton Window drifted in this country.

I think a lot of Boomers and Gen X are not used to seeing Democrats run on policies that poll well. We've become way too accustomed to Democrats negotiating against themselves, compromising for its own sake, and generally campaigning in abject fear of being called socialists. Way too used to Democrats advised by people with PTSD from the Kerry campaign.

That shit set us back so many decades compared to the social programs they have in every other industrialized country. Fucking infuriating, doubly so when asking for simply a fraction of that somehow makes you a fringe Marxist.

[tx 3 putt 78675]

36 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Jesus Christ.

 

 

 

and by that, I mean I'm pretty sure that Jesus Christ would be in favor of feeding kids, legalizing weed, and passing out tampons.  I'll leave abortion for you religious folks to argue about. 

[Dahobbs 18317]

33 minutes ago, softlynow said:

I love slap fights about how to label a guy we all like because he has taken positions we also favor and signed into law things we all agree with. We need several more pages of nothing but that. 

Have you checked out what is happening in the other thread? Trust me, this slap fight is way better. 

[mdmost 43994]

This is bang on fucking accurate. I miss my father very much but I’m so glad he passed away in 2015 before he fully fell down the Fox News Trump rabbit hole. The old him before Obama would’ve loved a guy like Walz. These were the values my dad once espoused. That’s the dad I want to remember him as.

 

 

[Satchel 6982]

Democratic success could depend on the degree to which Democrats refuse to allow the magalitia to define them. Interrupt the lie should be our battle cry.

[Derka 6403]

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[Jhawkmvp 1514]

Tim Walz single-handedly making future Surly relocators...

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5662]

"Believe me when I say I know Donald Trump's type."

"If you got something to say, say it to my face."

"We're not going back."

"When we fight, we win."

"They're weird."

"I can't wait to debate that guy. That is, if he'll get off the couch and show up."

"Mind your own damn business."

Holy FUCK, this new democratic ticket has me so fucking fired up. What energy, THIS is how you fight Trump!

[Gil Bang 26234]

David Simon is not to be fucked with.   You cannot win against that mofo.     

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5662]

13 minutes ago, mdmost said:

This is bang on fucking accurate. I miss my father very much but I’m so glad he passed away in 2015 before he fully fell down the Fox News Trump rabbit hole. The old him before Obama would’ve loved a guy like Walz. These were the values my dad once espoused. That’s the dad I want to remember him as.

 

 

I am so fucking happy my 72 year old dad has switched from the republican party to the democratic party as he's become retired and has more time to actually watch what's going on in politics. Having time to actually pay attention made him realize how fucked up conservatives are. The usual people tried to redpill him on youtube and such, and all it did was the exact opposite.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20913]

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Each of these things are super popular. If they FINALLY grow the balls to run on these things (and I'm cautiously optimistic that it looks like they have) they will see more packed, energetic arenas of supporters. 

Yup. If there's one thing that will get stoners up off the couch, it's the promise of legalizing weed.

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5662]

1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Yup. If there's one thing that will get stoners up off the couch, it's the promise of legalizing weed.

It'll be hilarious watching the many, many, maaaaaany weed smoking republicans and even trump supporters out there twist themselves into orange pretzels about why they suddenly oppose legalization.

[Radical Larry 28820]

 

[chainsaw 10286]

4 minutes ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

It'll be hilarious watching the many, many, maaaaaany weed smoking republicans and even trump supporters out there twist themselves into orange pretzels about why they suddenly oppose legalization.

It's not hard actually. They live secure in the knowledge that the laws are not intended to punish or ever apply to them (whites) and are simply a tool, one of many tools, used to keep the underclass in place.

(I know in practice plenty of whites get busted for possession and other drug crimes, but in MAGA's galaxy brain it makes sense to them)

Edited August 7 by chainsaw

[Planet Houston 4950]

On 8/5/2024 at 4:36 PM, Planet Houston said:

This is my hope - that Walz is the choice and she is meeting with Shapiro to ensure he will stay on message, join them on stage tomorrow despite not being the pick, and still be a vocal advocate for her presidency.

[bolverk 30323]

6 minutes ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

I am so fucking happy my 72 year old dad has switched from the republican party to the democratic party as he's become retired and has more time to actually watch what's going on in politics. Having time to actually pay attention made him realize how fucked up conservatives are. The usual people tried to redpill him on youtube and such, and all it did was the exact opposite.

That makes me happy to hear.

My own Fox-obsessed dad was 83yo four years ago. His age was obviously a risk factor, but he was actually in pretty damn good shape for his age since he walked three miles a day and was not overweight in the slightest.

At the beginning of the pandemic, I had a direct line to the governor's office through my previous job and got quick messaging to my elderly Republican parents as a result. Normally, they wouldn't have listened to my liberal ass (they certainly didn't from my health practitioner sister), but because they trusted what Republican Gov. Abbott was saying, they actually abided by all the proscribed precautions at the outset.

It was all over once Abbott changed his tune that summer and encouraged everyone to return to normal living. My parents became lax about the whole thing, especially after seeing Trump survive the virus and my dad ending up catching it just before Thanksgiving at game night with some of his buddies when one of them showed up and coughed on everyone at the table.

The guy who brought it died, as did my dad and another. The youngest of the four survived, but they spread it to their spouses. My mom caught it and likely wouldn't have survived except for the valiant efforts of my sister to keep her alive. I do know that the spouse of one of the others also died. It was all so frustrating and enraging because the vaccine had been announced but not yet rolled out until it was too late for him.

I only bring this up because Fox News propaganda and absolute devotion to Trump and the GQP killed my dad in a horrific and tortuous manner. I've seen first-hand what their toxicity produces.

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5662]

10 minutes ago, bolverk said:

That makes me happy to hear.

My own Fox-obsessed dad was 83yo four years ago. His age was obviously a risk factor, but he was actually in pretty damn good shape for his age since he walked three miles a day and was not overweight in the slightest.

At the beginning of the pandemic, I had a direct line to the governor's office through my previous job and got quick messaging to my elderly Republican parents as a result. Normally, they wouldn't have listened to my liberal ass (they certainly didn't from my health practitioner sister), but because they trusted what Republican Gov. Abbott was saying, they actually abided by all the proscribed precautions at the outset.

It was all over once Abbott changed his tune that summer and encouraged everyone to return to normal living. My parents became lax about the whole thing, especially after seeing Trump survive the virus and my dad ending up catching it just before Thanksgiving at game night with some of his buddies when one of them showed up and coughed on everyone at the table.

The guy who brought it died, as did my dad and another. The youngest of the four survived, but they spread it to their spouses. My mom caught it and likely wouldn't have survived except for the valiant efforts of my sister to keep her alive. I do know that the spouse of one of the others also died. It was all so frustrating and enraging because the vaccine had been announced but not yet rolled out until it was too late for him.

I only bring this up because Fox News propaganda and absolute devotion to Trump and the GQP killed my dad in a horrific and tortuous manner. I've seen first-hand what their toxicity produces.

I'm so, so sorry. That is infuriating.

My grandma died of covid during lockdown, and during the middle of her fucking funeral, someone mentioned to my trump-loving brother-in-law that the local highschool baseball team had all caught covid a few days prior at summer workouts, and he replied "good. Covid is nothing more than the flu. The sooner everybody gets it, the sooner everyone will realize it's nothing to worry about."

He said this at my fucking grandma's funeral who had just died of covid. I was so fucking pissed I wanted to take a swing at him. He's the kind who makes his kids watch fox news. He's the kind who every conversation starts with him complaining about liberals. He's the kind who makes me skip thanksgiving. He's the kind who will say shit without any self-reflection on how stupid and small he looks like "Now, it might be ''racist'' to say but I don't care, I don't like basketball because it has too many black people." The sort who constantly complains about freeloading wellfare queens, then cries when his dad, who doesn't have insurance, needs open heart surgery nobody can afford and he's like "I can't believe there's no safety net for people who need help but can't afford it." He and my sister have also since become evangelical fuckwits, every conversation a chance for them to bring up prayer or some other bullshit nobody cares about.

I fucking despise him and what he's done to my nieces and nephews. My nephew is fucking 9 and is a die hard trump supporter. And it all fucking began with my brother-in-law listening to rush Limbaugh at work on the radio -- he did NOT used to be like this. Actually, I take it back -- this all started when he went to TEXAS A&M because he didn't get into Texas. He grew up idolizing texas baseball and dreamed of playing at Texas. Once he went to aggy, the seeds of him becoming an alt-right fuckbitch were planted. I'm not joking. He often links his love of republican dipshittery, with "good bull rough stuff whoooops."

Edited August 7 by WelfareBuysMyWeed

[Goredho 17651]

Man, everyone has already articulately described Walz and his performance today.  I'll just say this:  He's got Mack Brown's charisma, Winston Churchill's pugnaciousness and Abraham Lincoln's righteous cause.  He's got all the tools and ingredients to lead a populist movement that enchants 60-70% of U.S. voters.

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5662]

2 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Man, everyone has already articulately described Walz and his performance today.  I'll just say this:  He's got Mack Brown's charisma, Winston Churchill's pugnaciousness and Abraham Lincoln's righteous cause.  He's got all the tools and ingredients to lead a populist movement that enchants 60-70% of U.S. voters.

Real talk, in 2006, I was convinced Mack Brown would take a stab at running for some sort of state office. Like him or not, Mack Brown is exactly the type of personality which would win in landslides.

I wonder what would happen if, say, Nick Saban ran in Alabama. Saban is a huge democrat.

[chainsaw 10286]

1 minute ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

evangelical fuckwits, every conversation a chance for them to bring up prayer or some other bullshit nobody cares about.

That makes them weird.

If it makes you feel any better about the nieces and nephews, there are people who were deep into Q in 2020 that moved away from it, and it happens even more often when kids approach and leave adolescence. There's hope yet.

[chainsaw 10286]

2 minutes ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

Real talk, in 2006, I was convinced Mack Brown would take a stab at running for some sort of state office. Like him or not, Mack Brown is exactly the type of personality which would win in landslides.

I wonder what would happen if, say, Nick Saban ran in Alabama. Saban is a huge democrat.

heads would explode. he probably loses to a generic R, but someone with Roy Moore-scale negatives Saban would crush. He's probably smart enough not to live in Alabama anymore

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5662]

Just now, chainsaw said:

heads would explode. he probably loses to a generic R, but someone with Roy Moore-scale negatives Saban would crush. He's probably smart enough not to live in Alabama anymore

I would fucking kill to see a blue Nick Saban tell Tommy Tubberville to shut the fuck up.

[Satchel 6982]

I absolutely love his “I’m laughing but I ain’t playing” vibe. He has the qualities to help Mommala through some tough times that are sure to come over the next four years.

[bolverk 30323]

7 minutes ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

I'm so, so sorry. That is infuriating.

My grandma died of covid during lockdown, and during the middle of her fucking funeral, someone mentioned to my trump-loving brother-in-law that the local highschool baseball team had all caught covid a few days prior at summer workouts, and he replied "good. Covid is nothing more than the flu. The sooner everybody gets it, the sooner everyone will realize it's nothing to worry about."

He said this at my fucking grandma's funeral who had just died of covid. I was so fucking pissed I wanted to take a swing at him. He's the kind who makes his kids watch fox news. He's the kind who every conversation starts with him complaining about liberals. He's the kind who makes me skip thanksgiving. He's the kind who will say shit without any self-reflection on how stupid and small he looks like "Now, it might be ''racist'' to say but I don't care, I don't like basketball because it has too many black people." He and my sister have also since become evangelical fuckwits, every conversation a chance for them to bring up prayer or some other bullshit nobody cares about.

I fucking despise him and what he's done to my nieces and nephews. My nephew is fucking 9 and is a die hard trump supporter. And it all fucking began with my brother-in-law listening to rush Limbaugh at work on the radio -- he did NOT used to be like this.

 

Unfortunately, we all know someone like that and how that's just totally ripped apart friend groups and families. We've seen the effects of indoctrination and the harm that it causes. I somehow count myself fortunate because of my age. My dad was a political news junkie, but there weren't a whole lot of outlets in the 70s and most of the 80s when I was a kid that could've fucked me up too much.

Rush came along in my high school years but didn't reach popularity until I was in college, and Fox didn't really hit until I'd already got my undergrad, so I was able to break out of what I'd been taught as a kid without too much of an internal struggle. Had I been born 10 years later, it's quite possible I'd have turned into a Republican automaton spouting whatever the party line is du jour. Sadly, some of my previously empathetic high school friends turned into callous assholes because they started listening to Rush while I just wanted to hear the latest of whatever tune college radio offered up.

I'm really sorry about your nieces and nephews and can only hope they break out of the mold when they get older like I did, though I recognize it'll be harder for them than it was for me. You're probably not seeking any advice, but I'll offer it up anyway. Be an example of an alternative viewpoint (when appropriate) for them. You never know what kind of peripheral influence you might have on them down the line.

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5662]

14 minutes ago, Satchel said:

I absolutely love his “I’m laughing but I ain’t playing” vibe. He has the qualities to help Mommala through some tough times that are sure to come over the next four years.

same vibe:

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5662]

28 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I'm really sorry about your nieces and nephews and can only hope they break out of the mold when they get older like I did, though I recognize it'll be harder for them than it was for me. You're probably not seeking any advice, but I'll offer it up anyway. Be an example of an alternative viewpoint (when appropriate) for them. You never know what kind of peripheral influence you might have on them down the line.

I don't count on it at all. For all the shit I just said about my brother-in-law, he's legitimately a great dad to his kids. They are attached at the hip, and he spends tons and tons and tons of free time with them on their hobbies. That's precisely why my nephew is a die-hard trump supporter, it's not Trump he loves, it's his dad, which is also his hero. He likes trump, because his dad has a stupid boner for trump. I don't see my nieces and nephews ever stepping back and questioning their parents and beliefs, because they have no reason to. My brother-in-law makes his kids recite bible verses they've memorized, like he'll say a random number and they'll quote the verse, which his trump-loving dipshit friends LOVE. My nieces and nephews are rockstars in their own little trump world. I genuinely can't stand to be around them, it makes me so angry to see a bunch of honestly very bright, very smart kids spend all their mental ability being stuffed with that kind of bullshit.

My nephew came to my house around january for a weekend visit for the first time and, being in the games industry, it was also the first time he saw my home arcade. We played TMNT: Shredder's revenge on my gaming PC hooked up to the 80" TV and he clearly had a blast. So much so that he asked his parents for a "custom gaming computer" for his birthday. I caught wind and was like "hey, I have spare parts everywhere, I do this stuff professionally, let me build your kid a kickass rig and link our steam accounts and get him started on this path." I explained to them that I was around his age when I first got into computer programming, spurred on by my own mentor giving me a desktop computer (an 8088). I was told that STEM is at odds with religious freedoms, and computers are a gateway to liberal silicon valley, so they forbid their kids from ever using computers or similar technology.

I took his son out to eat dinner last week, and we were watching Olympic Basketball, and the subject of Caitlyn Clark being left off the team came up, and he, without missing a beat, said "she was left off because she's not black and thus is oppressed." Like how do you respond to a fucking 9 year old saying this shit?? I'm not gonna sit their and berate or argue with my nieces and nephews, nor am I going to be like "your hero-worship parents are dipshits" to them and break their hearts.

So... yeah, my reach an influence on the kids are limited, purposefully by their parents. I hope they eventually wise up, but I see their poor little heads being filled with brainwashing every day and it's really sticking, and I just can't bare to watch.

EDIT: That said, I'm getting my nephew a steam deck for christmas. His parents are so dumb and computer illiterate they'll have no clue he'll secretly have a PC in his bedroom. I showed him "desktop mode" of my steam deck last time and he was completely amazed.

Edited August 7 by WelfareBuysMyWeed