[Harris+Walz] The 2024 DNC: TURN DOWN FOR WHAT?!

[WBT 20253]

6 hours ago, BamaATL said:

Wait, Wait, Wait, you mean to tell me there are groups within the group of Latino's?  All this time I thought they were one unified people with a singular goal.  

 

[Dbeasy 14783]

There is a new Facebook post making the rounds of a tweet by some moderate republicans Lucan’s named Dr Mike Simpson that says Walz has lied about his rank. The Trumpers are jumping all over this. I can’t find anything.  Anyone seen this?

Edited August 12 by Dbeasy

[Js1 83356]

1 minute ago, Dbeasy said:

There is a new Facebook post making the rounds of a tweet by some moderate republicans Lucan’s named Dr Simmons (?) that says Walz has lied about his rank. The Trumpers are jumping all over this. I can’t find anything.  Anyone seen this?

And that’s different than what they’ve been saying the last week how?

They’ve also been trying to use that against him since 2006 in Minnesota. 

[Asithappens 974]

17 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

I mean…yeah. 

From what I've read, Whitman had a brain tumor, knew something was wrong with him, and tried to get treatment. 

Fuck off with putting him in the same category as McVeigh.

[mdmost 42459]

9 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

There is a new Facebook post making the rounds of a tweet by some moderate republicans Lucan’s named Dr Mike Simpson that says Walz has lied about his rank. The Trumpers are jumping all over this. I can’t find anything.  Anyone seen this?

Found your issue here. Get off Facebook. 2016 should've told you that. 

[Bateshorn 9596]

2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

There is a new Facebook post making the rounds of a tweet by some moderate republicans Lucan’s named Dr Simmons (?) that says Walz has lied about his rank. The Trumpers are jumping all over this. I can’t find anything.  Anyone seen this?

Even though this has been asked an answered multiple times:  Walz achieved the rank of Command Sergeant Major prior to retirement, however he didn't complete some associated course and paper work prior to retirement, so he technically retired as a Sergeant Major.  His bio described him as "Command Sergeant Major" which is correct, however at some point it also referenced him as a retired Command Sargent Major, which is wrong.  It's been updated. 

The rest of the attacks are Swift Boat bullshit from JD Vance (who was a press specialist in Iraq for 6 months, i.e. Private Joker) that he retired prior to his unit deploying, even though his unit hadn't received orders and his Unit Commander signed off on the retirement and didn't have to. 

If this is something that is going to make you not vote for Harris, you never were. 

[Firemans4Horn 17136]

5 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

From what I've read, Whitman had a brain tumor, knew something was wrong with him, and tried to get treatment. 

Fuck off with putting him in the same category as McVeigh.

[Willfully Horn 7870]

18 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

There is a new Facebook post making the rounds of a tweet by some moderate republicans Lucan’s named Dr Mike Simpson that says Walz has lied about his rank. The Trumpers are jumping all over this. I can’t find anything.  Anyone seen this?

Waltz’s highest rank was Chief Master Sergeant, but he retired as a Master Sergeant. The charge is a nothingberder. In addition to what Bates posted, I read that you retire at the highest rank you have held for three years, so it is not uncommon to retire at a rank lower than the highest rank achieved.

https://www.rand.org/paf/projects/dopma-ropma/retirement-and-separation/retirement-grade.html

Edited August 12 by Willfully Horn
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[Red Five 40357]

Vance has been directly accusing Walz of “stolen valor”. Is there something else besides a typo/technicality in his bio that is no longer even there?

He served for 24 years so “Oh yeah well he should have served 25!” probably isn’t going to stick.

[Dbeasy 14783]

3 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

If this is something that is going to make you not vote for Harris, you never were. 

This is a wonderful example of a snarky comment that is based upon your completely wrong interpretation of my question. Congrats on looking like an ass. Snarky comments rarely are helpful in whatever your objectives might be .

As I’ve stated multiple times earlier in this thread and the other President thread I’m an enthusiastic voter for Harris and was simply looking for information to refute Trumpers. 

[Fudge Nuggets 18977]

2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

This is a wonderful example of a snarky comment that is based upon your completely wrong interpretation of my question. Congrats on looking like an ass. Snarky comments rarely are helpful in whatever your objectives might be .

As I’ve stated multiple times earlier in this thread and the other President thread I’m an enthusiastic voter for Harris and was simply looking for information to refute Trumpers. 

I don't think the 'you' was meant to literally mean 'you', but rather any reader that had doubts.

Calm your tits.

[Tuco 5048]

I’m Hispanic and I don’t really like the term Latino, but that’s just me. To me, Latinos from California are Chicanos, Latinos from Texas are Mexicanos, and Latinos from Florida are Cubans. Chicanos are Mexican but I have never heard someone from Texas call themselves that. And Mexicans and Cubans are way different from one another. 

I thought Chicanos specifically identified with their Native American background. They reject Latino and Hispanic labels because both terms are European based. iIRC, most Caribbean-Latino groups don’t have much native heritage because disease wiped out those populations.

[South Austin 51633]

Wait, I thought if you speak Spanish, you’re Spanish.

[Dnaguy 11592]

4 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Vance has been directly accusing Walz of “stolen valor”. Is there something else besides a typo/technicality in his bio that is no longer even there?

He served for 24 years so “Oh yeah well he should have served 25!” probably isn’t going to stick.

The playbook for any republican is to swift boat veteran democrats. It works bc it gives republicans permission to shit all over a particular veteran.

It’s a permission structure.

All their arguments are really.

Kamala isn’t really black.

she’s two faced / can’t be trusted / she changes her view 

Birtherism (Obama and now Kamala)

Tim Walz isn’t REALLY a veteran 

etc.

 

 

[Blotto 23286]

5 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

This is a wonderful example of a snarky comment that is based upon your completely wrong interpretation of my question. Congrats on looking like an ass. Snarky comments rarely are helpful in whatever your objectives might be .

As I’ve stated multiple times earlier in this thread and the other President thread I’m an enthusiastic voter for Harris and was simply looking for information to refute Trumpers. 

how about "Fuck off. Donald Trump has served no one but himself for 78 years"

Don't expend any emotional or mental energy trying to refute trumpers. They dont give a fuck about the truth. They dont want the truth. You're searching for an elixir that doesn't exist. 

[Willfully Horn 7870]

1 minute ago, South Austin said:

Wait, I thought if you speak Spanish, you’re Spanish.

Once I learn what a Spanish word means, that word automatically becomes English.

[The Original Greaser Bob 2701]

3 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Wait, I thought if you speak Spanish, you’re Spanish.

Don't care where you come from
As long as you're a brown man, you're a Mexican
No mind your nationality
You have got the identity of an Mexican

 

Plus, Brisket doesn't speak Spanish and he's a damn Spaniard.

[Bateshorn 9596]

18 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Vance has been directly accusing Walz of “stolen valor”. Is there something else besides a typo/technicality in his bio that is no longer even there?

He served for 24 years so “Oh yeah well he should have served 25!” probably isn’t going to stick.

It's super common for Officers.  I had an in law who had to spend a miserable year in the Pentagon to get in his time as a Navy O-5 for retirement purposes.  He hated living in DC away from the water, but as he described it "it's this bullshit everyone has to do to retire at a higher pay grade." He wanted to leave after his last shipboard command.

I think he basically was fetching coffee and pulling chairs for Admirals. It's a paperwork thing. 

Edited August 12 by Bateshorn

[Dbeasy 14783]

35 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I don't think the 'you' was meant to literally mean 'you', but rather any reader that had doubts.

Calm your tits.

Ok cool, Hook’Em. 

28 minutes ago, Blotto said:

how about "Fuck off. Donald Trump has served no one but himself for 78 years"

Don't expend any emotional or mental energy trying to refute trumpers. They dont give a fuck about the truth. They dont want the truth. You're searching for an elixir that doesn't exist. 

I can understand you completely giving up given the nature of these people who don’t seem to care about facts.

But in this election there are people flipping. It’s happening. I’ve personally seen it. It’s a class of potential Trump voters who have been very uninformed, but are starting to see others abandon Trump. And given this I’m damn sure going to do what I can to flip even one voter because 1% decides this election. And I don’t want to sit here on Jan 1st and lament the fact that I didn’t do everything I could to ensure Trump doesn’t get elected. And frankly every person on this thread should be doing the same thing. 

[MrBig 5182]

31 minutes ago, Tuco said:

 

I thought Chicanos specifically identified with their Native American background. They reject Latino and Hispanic labels because both terms are European based. iIRC, most Caribbean-Latino groups don’t have much native heritage because disease wiped out those populations.

 

I really have no idea. To be honest, the first time I heard the term “Chicano” I saw it on Saved by the Bell: The College Years where AC Slater learned he was Mexican in college. And when I went to California that’s what they were calling themselves even though I had never heard that term used in Texas. But if we all vote for Harris-Walz they are just going to lump us all back in the same group together again which is fine by me as long as we keep this orange asshole out of the White House.

[Blotto 23286]

Just now, Dbeasy said:

Ok cool, Hook’Em. 

I can understand you completely giving up given the nature of these people who don’t seem to care about facts.

But in this election there are people flipping. It’s happening. I’ve personally seen it. It’s a class of potential Trump voters who have been very uninformed, but are starting to see others abandon Trump. And given this I’m damn sure going to do what I can to flip even one voter because 1% decides this election. And I don’t want to sit here on Jan 1st and lament the fact that I didn’t do everything I could to ensure Trump doesn’t get elected. And frankly every person on this thread should be doing the same thing. 

If you come across the rare person that is actually undecided on Trump, then by all means have that conversation. My comment was related to changing the minds  of people that spend all day on facebook posting/consuming pro-trump bullshit. All the logic in the world wont get them to change their mind. Once the movement collapses under the weight of its own stupidity, they will just refuse to admit they ever voted for that weird guy with orange skin and crawl back under the politically disengaged rocks they emerged from. 

[texasdago 7407]

6 minutes ago, MrBig said:

I really have no idea. To be honest, the first time I heard the term “Chicano” I saw it on Saved by the Bell: The College Years where AC Slater learned he was Mexican in college. And when I went to California that’s what they were calling themselves even though I had never heard that term used in Texas. But if we all vote for Harris-Walz they are just going to lump us all back in the same group together again which is fine by me as long as we keep this orange asshole out of the White House.

I used to see the occaional girl walking around the UT campus wearing a Chicana short or something about being a Chicana.  That's the first time I really heard of the term, from what I remember.

Also did a quick Google search and found this...

https://www.preservationaustin.org/news/the-austin-chicano-huelga-making-east-austin-historic (way before my time)

[YChang 3394]

2 minutes ago, Blotto said:

If you come across the rare person that is actually undecided on Trump, then by all means have that conversation. My comment was related to changing the minds  of people that spend all day on facebook posting/consuming pro-trump bullshit. All the logic in the world wont get them to change their mind. Once the movement collapses under the weight of its own stupidity, they will just refuse to admit they ever voted for that weird guy with orange skin and crawl back under the politically disengaged rocks they emerged from. 

Seriously. Have a grad school classmate that knows better (I think). But will still vote for Trump cause of taxes and immigration. At the end of the day, I think growing up very poor and now he's very wealthy and holding on to that out weighs everything. Dude thinks because he's a small business owner employing people that puts him in a special class of people propping up society (especially in the valley where he's from). 

[dcbc 14254]

52 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Wait, I thought if you speak Spanish, you’re Spanish.

[Dbeasy 14783]

3 minutes ago, YChang said:

Seriously. Have a grad school classmate that knows better (I think). But will still vote for Trump cause of taxes and immigration. At the end of the day, I think growing up very poor and now he's very wealthy and holding on to that out weighs everything. Dude thinks because he's a small business owner employing people that puts him in a special class of people propping up society (especially in the valley where he's from). 

The wealthy and the deeply religious will never flip. The ones who will flip are uninformed, have voted in past elections for both parties, and just have had the wrong perception that Trump is better for the economy and/or foreign policy.  

[bolverk 29082]

7 minutes ago, MrBig said:

I really have no idea. To be honest, the first time I heard the term “Chicano” I saw it on Saved by the Bell: The College Years where AC Slater learned he was Mexican in college. And when I went to California that’s what they were calling themselves even though I had never heard that term used in Texas. But if we all vote for Harris-Walz they are just going to lump us all back in the same group together again which is fine by me as long as we keep this orange asshole out of the White House.

It's funny how so many of us grew up in Texas but have different perspectives. It could be an age thing.

I'm a 53-year-old Anglo who grew up in a small West Texas town and heard "Chicano" quite often growing up in the 1970s-80s. It may simply be that there was a fairly large Mexican-American population with an active LULAC chapter. I definitely heard it earlier and much more frequently than the more generic "Latino" descriptor, which really didn't hit my consciousness until sometime in the 1990s. Latino also had a much more Florida/New York/East Coast vibe to it, which seemed to be driven by how national media described folks from Latin America. Hispanic, on the other hand, was just the general and most frequently used label for Tejanos.

And, yeah, Chicano seemed to tap into Aztecan roots, which was a really popular motif for airbrushed art on trucks and so forth. Of course, your mileage may (without a doubt) vary. Admittedly, Chicano does seem to have fallen out of favor and isn't used nearly as often as it seemingly once was.

[WhatTheBuck 28613]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Vance has been directly accusing Walz of “stolen valor”. Is there something else besides a typo/technicality in his bio that is no longer even there?

He served for 24 years so “Oh yeah well he should have served 25!” probably isn’t going to stick.

One time he said he used a weapon of war “in war” instead of saying he used a weapon of war in the service. And for that they’re saying he claimed to have seen combat when he never did. It was one instance of misspeaking. People guilty of stolen valor clearly, intentionally misrepresent their record. They repeat false claims, maybe they put them in writing, they might wear badges they never earned. What Walz did was a pretty obvious stumble over his words, mistakenly repeating “war” when he should’ve said something else. Then he just moved on like it was no big deal because it wasn’t a big deal. The larger point was that he’s carried the weapon in an official capacity and there’s no reason why civilians should have them. 

[bolverk 29082]

22 minutes ago, texasdago said:

I used to see the occaional girl walking around the UT campus wearing a Chicana short or something about being a Chicana.  That's the first time I really heard of the term, from what I remember.

Also did a quick Google search and found this...

https://www.preservationaustin.org/news/the-austin-chicano-huelga-making-east-austin-historic (way before my time)

This reminds me that La Raza used to be a big deal, too, when/where I grew up.

[Dnaguy 11592]

1 hour ago, YChang said:

Seriously. Have a grad school classmate that knows better (I think). But will still vote for Trump cause of taxes and immigration. At the end of the day, I think growing up very poor and now he's very wealthy and holding on to that out weighs everything. Dude thinks because he's a small business owner employing people that puts him in a special class of people propping up society (especially in the valley where he's from). 

This is my rub with having been a small business owner and having family thats a small business owner.

1.) Owning a small business is stressful. Like a monkey (a fun monkey that sometimes does tricks or smokes cigarettes) on your back all the time

It takes a special breed of person to like it or excel

2.) Small business is an incredible wealth engine that provides lots of jobs which in turn helps people afford their life, send their kids to school, etc. a lot fail though.

Adding those two things together while politicians constantly felate you on the stump, however, has created a sort of mystique or reverence for small business owners that is only rivaled by firefighters it seems.

It’s hard work but it ain’t gods work. It is crazy difficult to get health insurance for you or your employees, but you’re not saving lives.

Successful small business owners are so high on their own supply they can’t see how protecting their personal wealth can actually be hurting their business or the people they employ IMO.

Most if not all owners I’ve met couldn’t stand or thrive in a corporate environment anyway. So to go around as a Christ like figure is amusing to me.

 

Edited August 12 by Dnaguy

[BurntOrange&White 38877]

1 hour ago, YChang said:

Seriously. Have a grad school classmate that knows better (I think). But will still vote for Trump cause of taxes and immigration. At the end of the day, I think growing up very poor and now he's very wealthy and holding on to that out weighs everything. Dude thinks because he's a small business owner employing people that puts him in a special class of people propping up society (especially in the valley where he's from). 

Finance bro mentality....

[Red Five 40357]

1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

One time he said he used a weapon of war “in war” instead of saying he used a weapon of war in the service. And for that they’re saying he claimed to have seen combat when he never did. It was one instance of misspeaking. People guilty of stolen valor clearly, intentionally misrepresent their record. They repeat false claims, maybe they put them in writing, they might wear badges they never earned. What Walz did was a pretty obvious stumble over his words, mistakenly repeating “war” when he should’ve said something else. Then he just moved on like it was no big deal because it wasn’t a big deal. The larger point was that he’s carried the weapon in an official capacity and there’s no reason why civilians should have them. 

Going forward, Walz should respond to questions about that with something like "Are you familiar with the republican nominee for President? He held a press conference the other day and told approximately 139 lies. I briefly misspoke and then corrected myself. Shut up." 

[softlynow 1620]

58 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Going forward, Walz should respond to questions about that with something like "Are you familiar with the republican nominee for President? He held a press conference the other day and told approximately 139 lies. I briefly misspoke and then corrected myself. Shut up." 

You cannot give them the sound bite, nor the incivility directed at the journo. Otherwise, yes, that should be the answer. Then pivot to policy. If you say the words "i misspoke" or "corrected myself" that's your headline, the negative spin is the lede ("VP candidate struggles to define himself to electorate" or "VP candidate befuddled by campaign rigors"), and, except maybe in a Reuters/AP offering, the rest of it doesn't get printed/aired.

[Dbeasy 14783]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Going forward, Walz should respond to questions about that with something like "Are you familiar with the republican nominee for President? He held a press conference the other day and told approximately 139 lies. I briefly misspoke and then corrected myself. Shut up." 

This is bs man. He did not tell 139 lies. You have your facts completely wrong. It was 162. (Sarcasm)

Edited August 12 by Dbeasy

[boilerhorn 1255]

3 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

There is a new Facebook post making the rounds of a tweet by some moderate republicans Lucan’s named Dr Mike Simpson that says Walz has lied about his rank. The Trumpers are jumping all over this. I can’t find anything.  Anyone seen this?

 

I've seen this reposted on Instagram and FB a couple of times today.  Probably related to what you are referring to.  As has been already noted, there are many bureaucratic things required to retain said promotion.  Moreover, folks typically retire at a lower rank because of the rank tenure requirements.  Seems like the typical breitbart attempt to discredit the opponent, rather than offer why their preferred candidate is superior.

 

 

[MrBig 5182]

11 minutes ago, softlynow said:

You cannot give them the sound bite, nor the incivility directed at the journo. Otherwise, yes, that should be the answer. Then pivot to policy. If you say the words "i misspoke" or "corrected myself" that's your headline, the negative spin is the lede ("VP candidate struggles to define himself to electorate" or "VP candidate befuddled by campaign rigors"), and, except maybe in a Reuters/AP offering, the rest of it doesn't get printed/aired.

This is very true. We don’t need Walz trying to correct a bullshit accusation and giving a sound bite that turns into Obama’s “you didn’t build that” quote taken out of context. 

[Js1 83356]

8 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

 

I've seen this reposted on Instagram and FB a couple of times today.  Probably related to what you are referring to.  As has been already noted, there are many bureaucratic things required to retain said promotion.  Moreover, folks typically retire at a lower rank because of the rank tenure requirements.  Seems like the typical breitbart attempt to discredit the opponent, rather than offer why their preferred candidate is superior.

 

 

Breitbart

Podcaster

"allegedly made" 

[DixonHur 10859]

13 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

 

I've seen this reposted on Instagram and FB a couple of times today.  Probably related to what you are referring to.  As has been already noted, there are many bureaucratic things required to retain said promotion.  Moreover, folks typically retire at a lower rank because of the rank tenure requirements.  Seems like the typical breitbart attempt to discredit the opponent, rather than offer why their preferred candidate is superior.

 

 

This is such a pedantic argument, but it will work with the rubes in the GOP base.

He earned the rank of E-9, but retired as an E-8 because he didn't complete the coursework needed to retire at E-9.  It happens all the time.  This is not unique, and he was not demoted.  

[softlynow 1620]

1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

This is such a pedantic argument, but it will work with the rubes in the GOP base.

He earned the rank of E-9, but retired as an E-8 because he didn't complete the coursework needed to retire at E-9.  It happens all the time.  This is not unique, and he was not demoted.  

I saw this addressed somewhere 2 weeks ago. I assume it'll get dredged up periodically by different outlets like breitbart until Walz is out of office.

[DixonHur 10859]

3 minutes ago, softlynow said:

I saw this addressed somewhere 2 weeks ago. I assume it'll get dredged up periodically by different outlets like breitbart until Walz is out of office.

Yup.  It's so frustrating.  The retirement rank is just used to calculate your pay in retirement, it's not the highest rank you served as.  

 

[Brisketexan 103602]

Don't care where you come from
As long as you're a brown man, you're a Mexican
No mind your nationality
You have got the identity of an Mexican
 
Plus, Brisket doesn't speak Spanish and he's a damn Spaniard.

Hey, I hablo bastante espanol. I can order all the good tacos the gringos don’t eat.

[DixonHur 10859]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Hey, I hablo bastante espanol. I can order all the good tacos the gringos don’t eat.

Like tacos de ojos?

[Willfully Horn 7870]

4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Like tacos de ojos?

That sounds odd to me. But, lengua, campechanos, birria, suadero, and cabeza all suit. And egg, chorizo, and bean, with Claudia’s habanero salsa at Fuel Wise on Frate Barker.
 

Still looking for a flying ant taco …

[jimmyjazz 45192]

4 hours ago, YChang said:

Seriously. Have a grad school classmate that knows better (I think). But will still vote for Trump cause of taxes and immigration. At the end of the day, I think growing up very poor and now he's very wealthy and holding on to that out weighs everything. Dude thinks because he's a small business owner employing people that puts him in a special class of people propping up society (especially in the valley where he's from). 

The sad thing here is that a small business owner in Texas likely relies on undocumented immigrants to help generate their wealth, ESPECIALLY in the valley.  (I'm not sure if your classmate is still living down there, it's not clear from your post.)

[DixonHur 10859]

11 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

That sounds odd to me. But, lengua, campechanos, birria, suadero, and cabeza all suit. And egg, chorizo, and bean, with Claudia’s habanero salsa at Fuel Wise on Frate Barker.
 

Still looking for a flying ant taco …

I know a Mexican woman who loves eyeball tacos.  Says it's popular where she comes from.  Sounds effing gross to me.

[Pato del Muerto 52094]

I mostly heard Chicano from the mouth of Paul Rodriguez during his hbo stand-up special or in Born in East L.A, in the 80s. 

[DixonHur 10859]

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I mostly heard Chicano from the mouth of Paul Rodriguez during his hbo stand-up special or in Born in East L.A, in the 80s. 

Yeah, as a Texas city slicker, I always assumed Chicano was an LA thing

[Gatorubet 29665]

10 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I know a Mexican woman who loves eyeball tacos.  Says it's popular where she comes from.  Sounds effing gross to me.

El hogar de Miss Peregrine para niños peculiares?

[YChang 3394]

19 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

The sad thing here is that a small business owner in Texas likely relies on undocumented immigrants to help generate their wealth, ESPECIALLY in the valley.  (I'm not sure if your classmate is still living down there, it's not clear from your post.)

Yep, he's actively trying to grow his insurance empire in the valley. 

Edited August 12 by YChang

[The Original Greaser Bob 2701]

When I showed up to Stanford at age 18 from San Antonio I was a Mexican American and the dudes from Califas were Chicanos.  If you were on top of your Cesar Chavez lore, you were a Chicano. 

Chicanos were union folks, were still pissed about Chavez Ravine, and knew about the zoot suit riots.  Mexican Americans tried, but couldn't get Freddie Fenders "Next Teardrop Falls", out of their heads.

We all agreed on Los Lobos.

 

 

 

[The Original Greaser Bob 2701]