Dallas Cowboys 2024 Season Thread -- Jerrah the Asshat Rides Again

[Underdog 28436]

6 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

So they lose to bye week?

Always a tough opponent, people underestimate them yearly. 

[futureman 22407]

29 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

No offense, but fuck that.  I hate the Joneses as much as anyone, but I was born a Cowboy, and I'll die a Cowboy. If I thought boycotting would cause the Joneses to sell the team, I'd be first in line.  They won't, and I'm not changing my loyalty.

I'm not sure I'd change my loyalty but I can certainly not give a shit.  But it's not Jones; I won't get excited about Cowboys football until Dak is gone.  When Stephen takes over I may lose interest again, though.

[Patrick Bateman 3902]

12 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

What is Dak's injury history??

I remember terrible ankle injury, and a calf strain.  Also a problem with his thumb on his throwing hand. 

 

I won't be surprised to see Dak miss another 3-4 games during the 2024 season.

I'm not a fan of signing Dak long-term for Dallas.  He's likely about to fall off a cliff in production, and may be done in the NFL 3-4 years from now.

The Cowboys are just too far away from playing in a Super Bowl with this roster in 2024 anyway.  Dak not on the Cowboys roster in 2025 might end up being a lot better situation for both parties long-term...  

Why would he fall off a cliff in production?  What data or evidence do you have to support this?  And while there certainly is a chance or outcome the Cowboys are better with Dak on another team, there is not much evidence to support this claim.  Here's what the Jones' boys did when Dak was one of the lowest paid players at his position and still putting up pro bowl level performances.

That's quite the accumulation of talent when your QB is playing eons over his current contract.  So what gives so much confidence in this front office?  Additionally knowing they fell back ass into their last two quarterbacks when they really wanted a guy like Paxton Lynch and Jerrah wanted Johnny Manziel, where does this confidence come in they'll simply be able to find a QB at half the price as Dak who can give similar production?  

 

[LTtxfan 48913]

Just my opinion on Dak    @Patrick Bateman

My points on cleaning up the salary cap issues were business related... so yah got me there when you point out how poorly Cowboys are run by Jones family.  

 

[Post Oak 20182]

5 hours ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

No offense, but fuck that.  I hate the Joneses as much as anyone, but I was born a Cowboy, and I'll die a Cowboy. If I thought boycotting would cause the Joneses to sell the team, I'd be first in line.  They won't, and I'm not changing my loyalty.

Same. I cant get out now.  Even though I want to.

Dallas Cowboys and Elisabeth Shue are my first loves. I'm in till I die.

[LTtxfan 48913]

9 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

Same. I cant get out now.  Even though I want to.

Dallas Cowboys and Elisabeth Shue are my first loves. I'm in till I die.

Same here.  Some of my early Cowboy stuff

[markstanco 12479]

Except he craps out in January. Just like Dak. Losers.

If they go 17-0 winning every game 63-3 I will expect an embarrassing loss in their first playoff game.

I bet that would be a record

[markstanco 12479]

So they lose to bye week?
Cowboys’ salary situation is very interesting. The 3 biggest that need to be addressed all could set the market for their positions. You might be looking at a total of $130M in AAV. That’s 50% of the current cap

Pretty sure he was referencing taking an L in round 1.

[markstanco 12479]

So the cowboys are at +1800 to win the Super Bowl. 9th best. Can you short these odds? Spending 2 million dollars to win 50 bucks seems like a great deal.

[Jive Turkey 12561]

 

[LTtxfan 48913]

Damn... 

[Texzilla588 769]

Yeah if 2024 season goes south, it's time to eat the shitty contracts like Dak's & Gallup's and keeping adding younger talent.  
Dak's current contract situation...

 

It’s those void years that fucked them up. They did that going all in the past two seasons to make a run with those teams who had the talent to win it all and failed to do shit in January. Restructuring Dak and paying him more bonus than salary and using void years. They are the sucker bets of the cap. Dak can leave taking his money and cowboys get stuck with $40 mil in dead cap. Still I wouldn’t extend fucking Dak.

[Texzilla588 769]

 

That fucking sucks. D line always has a hit or two in camp. Musically it’s a ped suspension.

[futureman 22407]

4 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

 

edge rushers aren't important.

[msucolt45 3981]

Until Jerrah/Steven actually hire a true GM, I just can’t buy into their polished turd statements at the beginning of each Fall camp. I’m a lifelong Cowboys fan of 50+ years and they just keep making it harder and harder to root for them.

I no longer regret the next couple of days at work following a Cowboys loss. After the last decade+ of suffrage with both the Longhorns and Cowboys, I’m numb to the Cowboys losses, especially when they’d both lose on the same weekend. Sad to say, but the decade of futility has just created internal excitement when they both actually have a winning weekend.

Last year with the Horns was the icing on the cake, until the Cowboys did the usual and get embarrassed by GB.

Hook’em!!!

[Texzilla588 769]

The addition of a “true GM” does nothing in terms of success or failure with any team. For every Howie Roseman you have two or three Terry Fontanots. The most successful franchise in recent history had no GM just the head coach.

As someone who has worked in companies from huge multibillion corps to sole proprietorships and everything g in between, I can say having the correct structure had nothing to do with the general stupidity of the brains involved. Business schools fail completely in quantification and measurement of the role of stupidity in failures.

You’re saying you are tired of Jerry Jones. But you somehow believe he will hire this dream GM that will make everything right? Not going to happen.

[Patrick Bateman 3902]

5 hours ago, Texzilla588 said:

The addition of a “true GM” does nothing in terms of success or failure with any team. For every Howie Roseman you have two or three Terry Fontanots. The most successful franchise in recent history had no GM just the head coach.

As someone who has worked in companies from huge multibillion corps to sole proprietorships and everything g in between, I can say having the correct structure had nothing to do with the general stupidity of the brains involved. Business schools fail completely in quantification and measurement of the role of stupidity in failures.

You’re saying you are tired of Jerry Jones. But you somehow believe he will hire this dream GM that will make everything right? Not going to happen.

Scott Pioli handled the lions share of the duties as "General Manager" would do for the Patriots. I don't think it's about the actual title or wording.  Stephen handles much of the General Manager duties today for the Cowboys with McClay specializing on the draft and undrafted FA's.  And I'm not sure people want guaranteed success from their front office.  I'm sure they want success but they realize there are no guarantees.  I think they want accountability.  They want responsibility and efficacy or they want that front office held to an objective accountability and moved on from if they can't achieve success and realistic goals.  The Jones' don't do this.  They fail spectacularly but because they'll never fire themselves, they spin, they evade, they blame, and they lie.  *shrugs.  I think smart Cowboy fans want the Jones' to sell the team.  They don't want them involved with the Cowboys at all a this stage.  They marriage has really just gotten stale at this point and maybe it's time to make a break.  But again, it's not about guaranteed success.... it's about accountability, responsibility, and some sense of honesty.... The Jones' deliver very little of any of these.

 

Zimmer talks Sam Williams and his loss..... Probably going to need to go out and sign a veteran to replace him.  Not a ton of depth at Edge this year.

 

Edited July 29 by Patrick Bateman

[tx 3 putt 76120]

Give her a try out !!!

 

[Patrick Bateman 3902]

Supposedly this guy is legit..... He hinted at the Tua news last week.  

 

[Fud 9542]

22 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Supposedly this guy is legit..... He hinted at the Tua news last week.  

 

He’s seemingly tied to the agent world. He’s broken a lot of stuff this offseason 

[ChiTownDoc 21090]

6 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Scott Pioli handled the lions share of the duties as "General Manager" would do for the Patriots. I don't think it's about the actual title or wording.  Stephen handles much of the General Manager duties today for the Cowboys with McClay specializing on the draft and undrafted FA's.  And I'm not sure people want guaranteed success from their front office.  I'm sure they want success but they realize there are no guarantees.  I think they want accountability.  They want responsibility and efficacy or they want that front office held to an objective accountability and moved on from if they can't achieve success and realistic goals.  The Jones' don't do this.  They fail spectacularly but because they'll never fire themselves, they spin, they evade, they blame, and they lie.  *shrugs.  I think smart Cowboy fans want the Jones' to sell the team.  They don't want them involved with the Cowboys at all a this stage.  They marriage has really just gotten stale at this point and maybe it's time to make a break.  But again, it's not about guaranteed success.... it's about accountability, responsibility, and some sense of honesty.... The Jones' deliver very little of any of these.

 

Zimmer talks Sam Williams and his loss..... Probably going to need to go out and sign a veteran to replace him.  Not a ton of depth at Edge this year.

 

Jesus, Jerry looks worse than ever.  Maybe there's hope...

[futureman 22407]

6 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Supposedly this guy is legit..... 

maybe he is.  but, maybe he isn’t.

[conVINCEd 21468]

13 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Jesus, Jerry looks worse than ever.  Maybe there's hope...

Stephen is not an upgrade.  Charlotte might be an upgrade, but the Jones boys would never let a girl run a football team.

[Texzilla588 769]

When Jerry moves on Charlotte will be the CEO of the family corporation. Stephen will head up football operations. Jerry Jr will just live on the yacht.

[markstanco 12479]

17 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Give her a try out !!!

 

She is playing at 8:30A this morning on USA. 

[mdmost 42747]

Things might be looking up.

 

[Pig Bellmont 8678]

32 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Things might be looking up.

 

No one amped for Mike McCarthy? lol. 25 years of cycling between bad and good but never great 

[Drew 2331]

Apparently Guyton is looking like a real DUDE at Camp.  Stonewalling even Micah quite a bit...

 

Did the Cowboys just draft another stud OL that people weren't so high on again?

[Vic Mackey 46911]

Things might be looking up.
 

Promising but unless this happens on game day at the Death Star, the Jones family won't care.

This year is probably the most apathetic I've been in awhile. Every year in the past decade has had some hint of promise. But not this year. They had a god awful off season in every aspect. Draft was very lackluster. Our RB committee is the worst in the league

[Drew 2331]

24 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Promising but unless this happens on game day at the Death Star, the Jones family won't care.

This year is probably the most apathetic I've been in awhile. Every year in the past decade has had some hint of promise. But not this year. They had a god awful off season in every aspect. Draft was very lackluster. Our RB committee is the worst in the league

I think you've even seen my lack of interest in the team...mainly due to the stupid fucking contract shenanigans with Dak and Lamb.

 

Add to that the AWEFUL offseason outside of a good draft.  They're the richest franchise and sports and the cheapest run.

[DZX158 46]

2 hours ago, Drew said:

Apparently Guyton is looking like a real DUDE at Camp.  Stonewalling even Micah quite a bit...

 

Did the Cowboys just draft another stud OL that people weren't so high on again?

Looking good early. 

[Post Oak 20182]

 

[KeysPhoneWallet 807]

Promising but unless this happens on game day at the Death Star, the Jones family won't care.

This year is probably the most apathetic I've been in awhile. Every year in the past decade has had some hint of promise. But not this year. They had a god awful off season in every aspect. Draft was very lackluster. Our RB committee is the worst in the league

Not extending Dak and not extending the coaches has been good. Let them walk after this season. Bring in bill and get a cheap qb and have a stacked roster. Pay cd and Micah

[tokamak 6350]

On 7/30/2024 at 3:18 PM, Drew said:

Apparently Guyton is looking like a real DUDE at Camp.  Stonewalling even Micah quite a bit...

 

Did the Cowboys just draft another stud OL that people weren't so high on again?

On the flip side, apparently Mazi still looks like dogshit.

[KeysPhoneWallet 807]

On the flip side, apparently Mazi still looks like dogshit.

He was a dumb take. There were good players at positions of need too. At least that was my recollection. The TE was dumb too. Ferguson and hoch whatever were giving plenty for the te position. Spoonmaker doesn’t offer a gd thing

*hopefully I’m wrong about these two

[kevwun 15589]

He might be worse than Taco.  He's so bad they can't even play him.

Edited August 1 by kevwun

[Patrick Bateman 3902]

7 hours ago, kevwun said:

He might be worse than Taco.  He's so bad they can't even play him.

At a position where you literally just have to push upfield half a yard and not be moved..... A broken down Volvo stationwagon may be ideal.

Lost Sam Williams..... let's go out and really land someone who can make and impact!

Or..... Let's get the cheapest guy out there.

[Vic Mackey 46911]

On 7/31/2024 at 3:33 PM, KeysPhoneWallet said:

Not extending Dak and not extending the coaches has been good. Let them walk after this season. Bring in bill and get a cheap qb and have a stacked roster. Pay cd and Micah

We don't have close to a stacked roster, though. Unless you mean by not extending Dak, we build one but that would mean this front office needs to have a vision, which they don't. Extending Lamb and Parsons is going to cost a lot of money. Parsons has the same act every year, pads his stats in bunches and disappears the end of year into the playoffs. He has one  total sack the entire playoff career. Lamb was god awful in the Packers playoff game. Both of these guys are regular season warriors. Parsons is not a leader, a cornball social media user and isn't that well liked in the locker room. Be very hesitant on breaking the bank on him, mainly because of his disappearing acts but also, the front office will take into account everything else about him.

[Sgt Hulk 13635]

On 7/30/2024 at 12:39 PM, mdmost said:

Things might be looking up.

 

Each year I go to Oxnard on military day and meet the players. My kids get autographs etc. this year even my son said nah I’m not wasting my time this year lol 

[Vic Mackey 46911]

 

[Texzilla588 769]

The players aren’t real bright. They picked Tyreek 1. Lamar Jackson 2 over Mahomes. Dak at 16 but way ahead of Burrow, Rodgers, Stafford. Cousins. Huh? He is a clone of cousins.

[Patrick Bateman 3902]

1 hour ago, Texzilla588 said:

The players aren’t real bright. They picked Tyreek 1. Lamar Jackson 2 over Mahomes. Dak at 16 but way ahead of Burrow, Rodgers, Stafford. Cousins. Huh? He is a clone of cousins.

It's largely based off last season..... I see no reason anyone would rank any of those players you listed ahead of Dak considering the criteria and while he and Cousins are similar top lines careerwise, Dak is the superior player when you add in the rushing aspect and if you look under the hood a little more closely, Dak's advanced are well ahead of Kirk's.  But yea, rating Mahomes at 3 or 4, whatever it was, is just jealousy at this point.

 

Edited August 4 by Patrick Bateman

[Texzilla588 769]

It's largely based off last season..... I see no reason anyone would rank any of those players you listed ahead of Dak considering the criteria and while he and Cousins are similar top lines careerwise, Dak is the superior player when you add in the rushing aspect and if you look under the hood a little more closely, Dak's advanced are well ahead of Kirk's.  But yea, rating Mahomes at 3 or 4, whatever it was, is just jealousy at this point.
 

Dak is 16. Cousins 92 or something. I’d say they’re the same player. Losers. I give a lot more weight to playoff winners, but since most of the voters are on the couch in January I guess they don’t value that as much.

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

On 7/30/2024 at 5:16 PM, Drew said:

I think you've even seen my lack of interest in the team...mainly due to the stupid fucking contract shenanigans with Dak and Lamb.

 

Add to that the AWEFUL offseason outside of a good draft.  They're the richest franchise and sports and the cheapest run.

The contract shenanigans are compounding.  They routinely wait too long and pay top of the market prices for their most of expensive players, thereby exacerbating the issue for each successful star as they hit the the end of their rookie deal. Dak could've easily been finishing up his $25 to $32 million/yr deal in the past year or so. Or they could've already renegotiated a deal at a much lower price than they're going to currently sign him for if they decide to. They've already added $10 to $15 million in guaranteed money to Ceede by simply waiting these last 3 months.  They're either a foolishly run franchise or they have other perogatives that they're governed by, ie:

 

[Vic Mackey 46911]

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[futureman 22407]

China and India is big.  That’s like a third of the world. 

[Surly Bevo 24692]

6 minutes ago, futureman said:

China and India is big.  That’s like a third of the world. 

Not that I buy that chart but the US is 3rd, Indonesia is 4th, Pakistan is 5th, Bangladesh is 8th.  In an electoral college system this would be a blowout.

All for dumbass Jerry and Dak.

Edited August 5 by Surly Bevo

[Texzilla588 769]

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That’s like one of those maps that tout Captain D’s as the most popular restaurant in Texas or that too hoo is our favorite soft drink.

Also if accurate that indicated the Cowboys are the favorite team of the 47 people in China that have knowledge of American football.

[tx 3 putt 76120]

I think Jones is getting everything ready to sell the team and get the biggest amount for an US professional sports team 

[totallynotabuttpirate 5340]

No way in hell he'd sell, the team is the only reason he's relevant. That means everything to him. Maybe his special son would try to sell after JJ croaks in 15 years when his deal with the devil expires.