Manafort Trial

[Grandioso 2,592]

Let your hate flow!


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[Degenerate Gardner 4,085]

38 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I think there are multiple purposes:

1. To send him to prison.  It's not all about Trump.

2. To demonstrate (read into the record) his relationship with powerful Russians and the Russian government. That will be used later to demonstrate why he would have motivations for working on Russia's behalf in the election.

3. To demonstrate how the Russians pay Americans, in some instances. 

4. To goad Trump into attempting to use his pardon powers. 

[LongestHorn 759]

Stephen Calk story is going to be explored.  He's the Chicago Trumpster banker who loaned money to Manafort quid pro quo to get Army Secretary interview.

https://democrats-oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/2018-02-27.EEC %26 Lynch to DOD re.Stephen Calk.pdf

Popcorn

[triplehorn 2,664]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Well that’s a nice development.

oh, it’s just conjecture and not a development.

shucks

Edited July 31, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[shnsajax 3,592]

Wait? Does that say, what I think that says?

[Huckleberry 33,108]

I don't think that quote in emptywheel's tweet is an actual quote. I think it's a hypothetical in a future conspiracy trial. 

Basically she's taking a few huge leaps from Manafort's current defense team saying he was taking orders from Ukrainians.

[zork 629]

6 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I don't think that quote in emptywheel's tweet is an actual quote. I think it's a hypothetical in a future conspiracy trial. 

Basically she's taking a few huge leaps from Manafort's current defense team saying he was taking orders from Ukrainians.

But Ukrainians that were favored by Russia to be clear?

[Chad Fuck 17,806]

5 minutes ago, zork said:

But Ukrainians that were favored by Russia to be clear?

The Trumps of Ukraine.

[chainsaw 9,878]

Everything that guy just said, is bullshit.  Thank you.

[Tuco 5,084]

8 minutes ago, zork said:

But Ukrainians that were favored by Russia to be clear?

Manafort was working for pro-Russian Ukranians, so yes.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3,861]

37 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

 

I don't believe "someone else told me to commit fraud" is a defense.

[Grandioso 2,592]

If you have not watched “Winter on Fire,” fucking shut down at work right now, turn off your cell phone, and watch it IMMEDIATELY.


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[Biff Tannen 45,747]

5 minutes ago, Grandioso said:

If you have not watched “Winter on Fire,” fucking shut down at work right now, turn off your cell phone, and watch it IMMEDIATELY.


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This

[DDD Dad 14,352]

What is Winter on Fire?

[Chad Fuck 17,806]

3 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

What is Winter on Fire?

Seconded.

 

[triplehorn 2,664]

"Oleg Deripaska required electing Trump to be done in a certain way and I was stuck following his orders" is Marcy Wheeler extrapolating Manafort's atty's statement shifting much of the blame to the Ukrainian oligarchs Manafort worked for - "This is the way that they required it to be done," his atty said.

For anyone who doesn't know about Oleg Deripaska, the financials of his greater than decade old relationship with Manafort, requests he made of Manafort while Paul ran the Trump campaign, and the active US sanctions on Rusal, Deripaska's multibillion dollar aluminum business that Trump is considering lifting as I type, you're going to have a confuse.  hang in there.

[kevwun 15,926]

Winter of Fire is a documentary on the Ukrainian revolution that's on netflix.

Edited July 31, 2018 by kevwun

[Js1 85,597]

11 minutes ago, Grandioso said:

If you have not watched “Winter on Fire,” fucking shut down at work right now, turn off your cell phone, and watch it IMMEDIATELY.


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What if I need to watch it on my cell phone?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

17 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

What is Winter on Fire?

Here’s the movie trailer.

 

 

Edited July 31, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[triplehorn 2,664]

while we wait

[Grandioso 2,592]

In the first 1 minute of the documentary there is an interview with a guy who has just been dragging a dead compatriot and is being shot at. Manafort's guy is behind all of it. And Putin is behind him.

[Grandioso 2,592]

Despite LYING about it, Ukraine's kremlin puppet went against the move to the EU. Which would totally be endorsed by OUR LITERAL PRESIDENT'S allegiance to the kremlin and his animosity toward the EU. #brexit

[TwiceHorn 31,541]

Dammit.

Edited July 31, 2018 by TwiceHorn
Dammit

[TwiceHorn 31,541]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

If my information is correct: 

Sentencing guidelines if convicted in this trial is 10 years in prison. 

Sentencing guidelines in his other trial due to start Sept 17 is 15 years.

Doesn't make Trump look good.

Could flip yes but outlook not so good if flip. 

It's way too early to speculate what the Guidelines might call for.  But, I think those are in the ballpark of the type of sentence he will receive if found guilty of say at least one count each of tax evasion, bank fraud, and money laundering.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

 

[jimmyjazz 46,206]

Paul Manafort, Patriot.

[TwiceHorn 31,541]

Dammit dammit dammit.

Edited July 31, 2018 by TwiceHorn
Dammit

[Biff Tannen 45,747]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Paul Manafort, Patriot.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

More like Thricehorn today 

[Brisketexan 105,408]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

More like Thricehorn today 

Oh, I know this -- what is "a nickname his wife has never given him?"

[Grandioso 2,592]

15 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

L O FUCKING L. 

This dude is fucked. 

[Grandioso 2,592]

Someone remind me where Yanukovych is right now? 

[kevwun 15,926]

He's hiding in Russia and is wanted in Ukraine for high treason.  You are a desperate motherfucker to resort to that defense.  The prosecution is going to eviscerate them.

Edited July 31, 2018 by kevwun

[Brisketexan 105,408]

10 minutes ago, kevwun said:

He's hiding in Russia and is wanted in Ukraine for high treason.  You are a desperate motherfucker to resort to that defense.  The prosecution is going to eviscerate them.

"You've listed Barry Switzer, Bernie Madoff, Bashar Assad, Harvey Wienstein, and Vanukovych as defense witnesses -- what the hell for?"

"Character witnesses, your honor."

[atomheartbevo 89,812]

One of the first witnesses tomorrow morning is going to be an “unnamed FBI agent”.  

Wonder if Trump will go after the FBI when he’s on the shitter.  

[Chad Fuck 17,806]

One of the first witnesses tomorrow morning is going to be an “unnamed FBI agent”.  
Wonder if Trump will go after the FBI when he’s on the shitter.  

Guaran-damn-teed.

[Degenerate Gardner 4,085]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

One of the first witnesses tomorrow morning is going to be an “unnamed FBI agent”.  

That must have been hard growing up.

[atomheartbevo 89,812]

24 minutes ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

That must have been hard growing up.

At least he wasn’t named Sue.

[Biff Tannen 45,747]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

At least he wasn’t named Sue.

Shel Silverstein represent.

[Grandioso 2,592]

4 hours ago, kevwun said:

He's hiding in Russia and is wanted in Ukraine for high treason. 

[Party_Taco 3,771]

Winter on Fire is one compelling piece of cinema. Highly recommended viewing, especially because it gives even greater context to Manafort’s misdeeds. 

He’s a corrupt piece of shit with the blood of the Ukrainian people literally on his hands.

Edited August 1, 2018 by Party_Taco

[burntorangebongos 10,752]

So he was hiding the $60 million away from his family too, right? They'd probably be willing to testify against him and I'd love to hear that testimony.

[F250 28,826]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Shel Silverstein represent.

I read "Where The Sidewalk Ends" after taking a bunch shrooms while sitting on a boulder in the middle of the Medina river on a hunting trip my sophomore year.  I also declared myself a river god and fired off a few rounds from my Colt 1911 after finishing Silverstein's children's book. It was a great trip, the hunting trip was good too.

 

[Grandioso 2,592]

15 minutes ago, F250 said:

I read "Where The Sidewalk Ends" after taking a bunch shrooms while sitting on a boulder in the middle of the Medina river on a hunting trip my sophomore year.  I also declared myself a river god and fired off a few rounds from my Colt 1911 after finishing Silverstein's children's book. It was a great trip, the hunting trip was good too.

 

If we're discussing mind-blowing acid/mushroom trips, y'all need tp hear my story about going to FAO Swartz whilst tripping HARD on a couple tabs. It was...interesting.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

My first psychedelic experience was in the Dobie Center when I was in high school. 

It was awful and fantastic at the same time.

[TexArcher 38,075]

The LBJ library at night is a wonderful place to trip.  There's a lady in a white dress who jumps up from inside the fountain every so often.  And you can lie on your back on that hill and reach up and rearrange the stars.

But I digress...

Edited August 1, 2018 by TexArcher

[EMAWesome 101]

On 7/30/2018 at 10:45 AM, JBJ said:

Meh.  It may reflect poorly on Mueller, but it's not really even a part of the Russian investigation.

Then why is he trying it?  If it has nothing to do with the Russian investigation Mueller should not have the authority to have anything to do with it.

[Chad Fuck 17,806]

Then why is he trying it?  If it has nothing to do with the Russian investigation Mueller should not have the authority to have anything to do with it.

Except that the order says he can go after whatever crimes he finds leading from his investigation. So he’s doing exactly what he’s been charged to do.

[Grandioso 2,592]

Watch Winter onFire now.


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