Manafort Trial

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

Imagine being the guy who is going to have to check Trump's butthole. Shudders

[Gil Bang 25944]

 

[Chooky 13307]

27 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Imagine being the guy who is going to have to check Trump's butthole. Shudders

 

Lou Dobbs raises his hand and plows through a crowd shouting "pick me!"

[NameAlreadyInUse 5112]

10 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

What in the fuck is up with that background music?

[suddenly shaggy 929]

12 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

Good idea. Garbage execution. 

[hobbes2702 13032]

That’s an awful ad. I hope they didn’t pay someone to make that

[suddenly shaggy 929]

It fails on a fundamental, psychological level. One of the reasons Trump repeats words all the time, is because it works. Having Trump repeating "Witch Hunt" over and over reinforces "Witch Hunt". The only words that should be repeated are "Trump" and "Guilty".

[TwiceHorn 31450]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Perhaps but it was a trial run for Gates who will all but certainly do a lot more testifying in the future.

Gates is Mueller’s crown jewel when it comes to cooperation and information.  

Gates likely has info on all the areas of the investigation. 

He also got the sweetest deal, outside of Flynn. 

Hopefully, Gates is more of a tour guide to the whole thing.  Seems pretty clear that he is easily neutralized as a witness.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

that's the "TRAITOR" sign guy, right?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

6 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

that's the "TRAITOR" sign guy, right?

Yes

[Buzzrock 14918]

3 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

That’s an awful ad. I hope they didn’t pay someone to make that

It's a spinoff group from Bill Kristol's advocacy non-profit activist org. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Manafort Trial #2 Preview

Scheduled for September 17

[triplehorn 2664]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Yeah, it doesn’t look like it was close to a mistrial from reading the article.

[Post Oak 20209]

6 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yes

[Skyline 325]

 

[Biff Tannen 45673]

2 minutes ago, Skyline said:

 

[TwiceHorn 31450]

2 hours ago, triplehorn said:

 

What a bunch of nonsense.  No appeal is ripe until up to 14 days after a judgement is signed, which takes place after sentencing, which takes place after Probation and Pretrial Services prepares the Pre Sentencing Report (PSR) and the parties/defendant object to it.  That's in all likelihood quite a bit more than 30 days, more like 60-120 even if no one asks for a delay.  The only other post-verdict motion is for a new trial, which is due 14 days after the verdict is returned.

Edited August 23, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[atomheartbevo 89648]

18 minutes ago, Skyline said:

 

Trump isn’t that stupid, is he?   Wait, what am I saying.  Of course he’s that stupid, he won’t even realize he’s helping a blue wave. 

Edited August 23, 2018 by atomheartbevo

[Js1 85310]

 

[TwiceHorn 31450]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

 

Is it apparently true, as has been alluded to, that the 10 "mistrial" counts were more dependent on Gates' testimony than the non-"mistrial" counts?

[Anastasis 23469]

10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

 Is it apparently true, as has been alluded to, that the 10 "mistrial" counts were more dependent on Gates' testimony than the non-"mistrial" counts?

 

[Ted Lange 16084]

 

[Brisketexan 105095]

 

Time to nuke ourselves. We owe it to the rest of the world.

[ChiTownDoc 21151]

So the many of us who guessed a trumptard was holding up the straight guilty verdict were right.  How the fuck is something like that ok?  Look at her and listen to her fucking statements.  JFC 

[Ted Lange 16084]

The Trump lady above, wasn’t the one holding up the vote, she voted guilty on all 18.  We don’t know the background on the holdout yet, other than she claimed reasonable doubt as the reason for refusing to convict on all 18. 

[J.R. 150]

1 hour ago, Skyline said:

 

Do it you dumb bitch

[Party_Taco 3724]

 

Fuck me... perhaps we really are doomed.

Pesky kids and all that!

[ChiTownDoc 21151]

20 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

The Trump lady above, wasn’t the one holding up the vote, she voted guilty on all 18.  We don’t know the background on the holdout yet, other than she claimed reasonable doubt as the reason for refusing to convict on all 18. 

Mea Culpa...

Hoping that juror gives some background on her/his decision.  Maybe it was warranted.  Especially with how the judge kept yanking the rug out from under the prosecution.  I’d just like to hear the thought process. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Let’s not forget Manafort got a jury with Trumpkins and is still going to prison for eight felonies he was found guilty.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13510]

If Gates is important to the next trial, the prosecution better find a way for the jury not to toss out all of his testimony. 

[RayDog 682]

29 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If Gates is important to the next trial, the prosecution better find a way for the jury not to toss out all of his testimony. 

They did ok and would have had all 18 counts if it wasn't for one juror who does not understand reasonable doubt.

[jimmyjazz 45898]

5 minutes ago, RayDog said:

They did ok and would have had all 18 counts if it wasn't for one juror who does not understand reasonable doubt.

. . . which makes it a case study in why the prosecution needs to figure out how to frame his testimony, because all it takes is one.

[RayDog 682]

8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

. . . which makes it a case study in why the prosecution needs to figure out how to frame his testimony, because all it takes is one.

You can never totally factor human stupidity out of the equation

[Nice Guy Eddie 13510]

48 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

. . . which makes it a case study in why the prosecution needs to figure out how to frame his testimony, because all it takes is one.

Consciously or not, Trump's strategy of calling the investigation a witch hunt can pay dividends by turning 1 juror.

 

 

[Party_Taco 3724]

Consciously or not, Trump's strategy of calling the investigation a witch hunt can pay dividends by turning 1 juror.
 
 

Which is why it’s jury tampering...

He shouldn’t be commenting on ANY active trial, let alone one that somehow implicates wrongdoing of a former associate..

[J.R. 150]

7 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Mea Culpa...

Hoping that juror gives some background on her/his decision.  Maybe it was warranted.  Especially with how the judge kept yanking the rug out from under the prosecution.  I’d just like to hear the thought process. 

She lays it out pretty plainly.  The prosecution probably came in overconfident and arrogant.  Nodding off during trial is a big no no.  The jurors try to stay awake (although often fail) so you definitely should.  They did not sufficiently establish why Rick Gates has no reason to lie.  They crushed him with documents.  

[DixonHur 11296]

I'm shocked, and pleasantly surprised, that a Trump supporter could separate facts from emotion and vote to convict.  

[Nice Guy Eddie 13510]

I will give the Trump-supporter juror credit that she openly states she wanted Manafort to be innocent but the evidence was too strong.   Good for her to do her duty.  I do question some of her comments about what she saw or experienced..  For example one of her comments was that she didn't see other Republicans on the jury.  How does she know?     I've worked at my current job for 18 months and I seriously don't even barely know the politics of my co-workers.  We don't talk politics.     Or maybe that juror can determine politics by looking at someone.

[Ted Lange 16084]

Her quote on the prosecution

“A lot of times they looked bored, and other times they catnapped – at least two of them did,” Duncan said. “They seemed very relaxed, feet up on the table bars and they showed a little bit of almost disinterest to me, at times.”

Is this normal? Seems really unprofessional 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13510]

8 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

Her quote on the prosecution

“A lot of times they looked bored, and other times they catnapped – at least two of them did,” Duncan said. “They seemed very relaxed, feet up on the table bars and they showed a little bit of almost disinterest to me, at times.”

Is this normal? Seems really unprofessional 

It's doubtful she would think highly of the witch hunt people.  "look he yawned.  bastard thinks this is his bedroom. And my tax dollars are paying his salary."

[TwiceHorn 31450]

15 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

Her quote on the prosecution

“A lot of times they looked bored, and other times they catnapped – at least two of them did,” Duncan said. “They seemed very relaxed, feet up on the table bars and they showed a little bit of almost disinterest to me, at times.”

Is this normal? Seems really unprofessional 

There was one guy that defended Ellis, I posted upthread and he called the prosecutors basically unprofessional.  Reasonably sure he was relying on the same media reports of  things, like eyerolling and the little tantrums when they didn't get their way.  That article rang true to me, much truer than others' speculation and misstatements about the arguments between Ellis and counsel, whether they were in front of the jury, etc.

So, no, that's not normal, and that is judicial scornworthy.  Snoozing during your own trial is terrible, terrible stuff.  In my observation, it tends to happen when you have too many cooks in the kitchen, or too many lawyers on the team.  That is, lawyers at the counsel table who aren't responsible for a current witness.  If you nod off when it's your witness, well you got problems.

Edited August 23, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[Post Oak 20209]

8 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

The Trump lady above, wasn’t the one holding up the vote, she voted guilty on all 18.  We don’t know the background on the holdout yet, other than she claimed reasonable doubt as the reason for refusing to convict on all 18. 

The Fox juror actually made me feel pretty good about the whole thing. Shes obviously a trumpkin but seemed to take her responsibility seriously.

Basically she likes Trump but Manafor is guilty AF and she had no problem saying so. 

Sounds like the other juror has MAGAts where their brain should be

[swraith 346]

On the 10 counts where a mistrial was declared, is there a statue of limitations?

Part of me is ok with the trumpkin holdout. If Trump grants a pardon for the eight guilty counts, could prosecutors follow up and retry the mistrial counts in a post Trump Presidency?

Almost like getting a second crack at ensuring Manafort goes to prison.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33868]

4 minutes ago, swraith said:

On the 10 counts where a mistrial was declared, is there a statue of limitations?

Part of me is ok with the trumpkin holdout. If Trump grants a pardon for the eight guilty counts, could prosecutors follow up and retry the mistrial counts in a post Trump Presidency?

Almost like getting a second crack at ensuring Manafort goes to prison.

he has another whole trial that hasn't even started.

[TwiceHorn 31450]

3 minutes ago, swraith said:

On the 10 counts where a mistrial was declared, is there a statue of limitations?

Part of me is ok with the trumpkin holdout. If Trump grants a pardon for the eight guilty counts, could prosecutors follow up and retry the mistrial counts in a post Trump Presidency?

Almost like getting a second crack at ensuring Manafort goes to prison.

The statute of limitations is "tolled" by the filing of the indictment.  Unless the government dismisses the mistried counts, limitations is no longer running. 

 

That said, there's little purpose in retrying the mistried counts.  For most purposes, if criminal charges are properly joined together in one case/indictment, then the sentences for the crimes alleged generally will run concurrently.  They most likely aren't going to get a longer sentence if they retry the counts, so it would be a waste of time and resources to do it.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Photo of the Manafort holdout juror released.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33868]