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6 minutes ago, Stros121 said:

 

Since you posted this without comment, I’ve no idea if it’s just for general discussion as fuckery or if you had any opinion or implication. 
 

At least this one got caught and fraudulent votes were not cast.   Evidence of the systems working. 

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15 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

A serious question - how do you justify risking your life in Ukraine and then voting for Trump?  Everyone knows he's going to sell out Ukraine if he ever gets back into office - WTAF?  Or when you say you're helping, did you mean the Russians?

I appreciate your honest question and will gladly retort.

I believe that Russia will not stop at Ukraine. If we would have the balls, we could end this war tomorrow which imo would potentially avoid another 20 plus years of war if Ukraine were to fall and Russia were to try to piece back together what it can of the Soviet Union.

It is not a given that Trump is just going to give Ukraine or parts of it to Russia. There has been no planned outlined by him so saying anything is just left propaganda. That being said I understand and see how that is totally plausible. It is a concern. If that were to happen and Putin were to continue with his aggression do you really think Trump is going to sit there and watch? (I am sure some of you will say yes but I disagree). On top of that, imo, the left is no the democrat party I grew up with. It is a a collection of far left progressives that would see this country materially change. Trump was a lifelong democrat and is more middle of the road than many of you will admit. The abortion shit is something he has to do to get money if you think he actually gives a fuck youre stupid. I think that we have gotten to a point in capitalism where the big 10 companies control everything and that includes politician's. I like that he is an outsider that with RFK and Elon will slash bureaucracy, cut spending, get rid of the unhealthy food, etc. I could go on but this is a stream of consciousness that sums up my personal high level thinking. While many of you will disagree I hope that we can have some honest discord and I wont get a bunch of negs. This is suppose to be one of the few countries in the world where the freedom of speech actually means something. Please present me with anything you disagree with. 

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6 minutes ago, HellesBier said:

Weird, the left wants fake votes to stuff the ballots? 

Fucking bullshit - the left doesn't want legit voters disenfranchised with no recourse, especially when Youngkin knows he was using half-ass methods to justify.  Fine to do with proper notice and recourse - bullshit to do it the way the GQP does it - well, everywhere.  And fuck them especially for lying about what's happening the way they always do to stir up the dipshits.

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I appreciate your honest question and will gladly retort.
I believe that Russia will not stop at Ukraine. If we would have the balls, we could end this war tomorrow which imo would potentially avoid another 20 plus years of war if Ukraine were to fall and Russia were to try to piece back together what it can of the Soviet Union.
It is not a given that Trump is just going to give Ukraine or parts of it to Russia. There has been no planned outlined by him so saying anything is just left propaganda. That being said I understand and see how that is totally plausible. It is a concern. If that were to happen and Putin were to continue with his aggression do you really think Trump is going to sit there and watch? (I am sure some of you will say yes but I disagree). On top of that, imo, the left is no the democrat party I grew up with. It is a a collection of far left progressives that would see this country materially change. Trump was a lifelong democrat and is more middle of the road than many of you will admit. The abortion shit is something he has to do to get money if you think he actually gives a fuck youre stupid. I think that we have gotten to a point in capitalism where the big 10 companies control everything and that includes politician's. I like that he is an outsider that with RFK and Elon will slash bureaucracy, cut spending, get rid of the unhealthy food, etc. I could go on but this is a stream of consciousness that sums up my personal high level thinking. While many of you will disagree I hope that we can have some honest discord and I wont get a bunch of negs. This is suppose to be one of the few countries in the world where the freedom of speech actually means something. Please present me with anything you disagree with. 

I appreciate the honest response, although it strikes me as wishful thinking at best… dangerous negligence at worst. Honestly, can you cite any instances where Trump has shown the ability to stand up to Putin? My observations of him over the last 8 years resemble someone who idolizes the leader of Russia, not someone willing to tell him to stop.
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9 minutes ago, HellesBier said:

I appreciate your honest question and will gladly retort.

I believe that Russia will not stop at Ukraine. If we would have the balls, we could end this war tomorrow which imo would potentially avoid another 20 plus years of war if Ukraine were to fall and Russia were to try to piece back together what it can of the Soviet Union.

It is not a given that Trump is just going to give Ukraine or parts of it to Russia. There has been no planned outlined by him so saying anything is just left propaganda. That being said I understand and see how that is totally plausible. It is a concern. If that were to happen and Putin were to continue with his aggression do you really think Trump is going to sit there and watch? (I am sure some of you will say yes but I disagree). On top of that, imo, the left is no the democrat party I grew up with. It is a a collection of far left progressives that would see this country materially change. Trump was a lifelong democrat and is more middle of the road than many of you will admit. The abortion shit is something he has to do to get money if you think he actually gives a fuck youre stupid. I think that we have gotten to a point in capitalism where the big 10 companies control everything and that includes politician's. I like that he is an outsider that with RFK and Elon will slash bureaucracy, cut spending, get rid of the unhealthy food, etc. I could go on but this is a stream of consciousness that sums up my personal high level thinking. While many of you will disagree I hope that we can have some honest discord and I wont get a bunch of negs. This is suppose to be one of the few countries in the world where the freedom of speech actually means something. Please present me with anything you disagree with. 

Well, i agree with all your initial Ukrainian Putin comments, until you get the the Trump part.   Almost insane to take the position you have on trump and the Ukraine based on everything trump has said AND DONE. 

Also, how can you in one sentence say you are against big money and “insiders” then Tout a KENNEDY AND ELON MUSK.   WTAF.  LOL 

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7 minutes ago, HellesBier said:

It is not a given that Trump is just going to give Ukraine or parts of it to Russia. There has been no planned outlined by him so saying anything is just left propaganda.

I looked for a clip that had his actual words in context. 
 

 

im not ok with letting Russia, or worse encouraging Russia, to attack other countries under any circumstances including not being current with nato obligations. 
 

 

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3 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 


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I appreciate the honest response, although it strikes me as wishful thinking at best… dangerous negligence at worst. Honestly, can you cite any instances where Trump has shown the ability to stand up to Putin? My observations of him over the last 8 years resemble someone who idolizes the leader of Russia, not someone willing to tell him to stop.

 

Do you find it a coincidence that the only time Ukraine has been invaded has been under Liberal presidents?

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22 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Since you posted this without comment, I’ve no idea if it’s just for general discussion as fuckery or if you had any opinion or implication. 
 

At least this one got caught and fraudulent votes were not cast.   Evidence of the systems working. 

I’ll wait for another source. Lol

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1 minute ago, Ted Lange said:

Well, i agree with all your initial Ukrainian Putin comments, until you get the the Trump part.   Almost insane to take the position you have on trump and the Ukraine based on everything trump has said AND DONE. 

Also, how can you in one sentence say you are against big money and “insiders” then Tout a KENNEDY AND ELON MUSK.   WTAF.  LOL 

I think you are putting the cart before the horse because you don't know and that is your opinion. We WILL find out if I am insane. I am not currently insane.

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5 minutes ago, HellesBier said:

I appreciate your honest question and will gladly retort.

I believe that Russia will not stop at Ukraine. If we would have the balls, we could end this war tomorrow which imo would potentially avoid another 20 plus years of war if Ukraine were to fall and Russia were to try to piece back together what it can of the Soviet Union.

It is not a given that Trump is just going to give Ukraine or parts of it to Russia. There has been no planned outlined by him so saying anything is just left propaganda. That being said I understand and see how that is totally plausible. It is a concern. If that were to happen and Putin were to continue with his aggression do you really think Trump is going to sit there and watch? (I am sure some of you will say yes but I disagree). On top of that, imo, the left is no the democrat party I grew up with. It is a a collection of far left progressives that would see this country materially change. Trump was a lifelong democrat and is more middle of the road than many of you will admit. The abortion shit is something he has to do to get money if you think he actually gives a fuck youre stupid. I think that we have gotten to a point in capitalism where the big 10 companies control everything and that includes politician's. I like that he is an outsider that with RFK and Elon will slash bureaucracy, cut spending, get rid of the unhealthy food, etc. I could go on but this is a stream of consciousness that sums up my personal high level thinking. While many of you will disagree I hope that we can have some honest discord and I wont get a bunch of negs. This is suppose to be one of the few countries in the world where the freedom of speech actually means something. Please present me with anything you disagree with. 

Appreciate the honest response and props especially if you are truly supporting Ukraine.  That said, I agree wholeheartedly with Ted and Chuckie.  There's just no rational basis for thinking Ukraine survives if Trump gets back into office.  

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5 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 


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I appreciate the honest response, although it strikes me as wishful thinking at best… dangerous negligence at worst. Honestly, can you cite any instances where Trump has shown the ability to stand up to Putin? My observations of him over the last 8 years resemble someone who idolizes the leader of Russia, not someone willing to tell him to stop.

 

I personally think this idea that Trump loves Putin is just some sort of left wing mythology. It is easy to say and it gets passed around the democrat community. The reality is we wont know until he gets elected. I do know that N Korea, Iran, Israel, Russia, and any leader with a pulse will not respect Kamala.

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Appreciate the honest response and props especially if you are truly supporting Ukraine.  That said, I agree wholeheartedly with Ted and Chuckie.  There's just no rational basis for thinking Ukraine survives if Trump gets back into office.  

That, I am afraid, is just your bias in my opinion. 

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1 minute ago, HellesBier said:

I personally think this idea that Trump loves Putin is just some sort of left wing mythology. It is easy to say and it gets passed around the democrat community. The reality is we wont know until he gets elected. I do know that N Korea, Iran, Israel, Russia, and any leader with a pulse will not respect Kamala.

That, I am afraid, is just your bias in my opinion. 

You're a fucking idiot. 

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1 minute ago, HellesBier said:

I personally think this idea that Trump loves Putin is just some sort of left wing mythology. It is easy to say and it gets passed around the democrat community. The reality is we wont know until he gets elected. I do know that N Korea, Iran, Israel, Russia, and any leader with a pulse will not respect Kamala.

That, I am afraid, is just your bias in my opinion. 

he literally said he would hand Ukraine over to Russia. those words came out of his mouth. multiple times.

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Just now, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

he literally said he would hand Ukraine over to Russia. those words came out of his mouth. multiple times.

When I google that nothing definitive comes up. I am afraid this is another concept that the echo chamber produces. Trump is not handing over the entirety of Ukraine to Russia man are you out of your mind. This is where this website and others becomes unhealthy. Jesus. The worst case scenario is that Trump "ends the war" by giving the Eastern regions to Russia. I am not in support of that nor are the Ukranians.

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5 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

Appreciate the honest response and props especially if you are truly supporting Ukraine.  That said, I agree wholeheartedly with Ted and Chuckie.  There's just no rational basis for thinking Ukraine survives if Trump gets back into office.  

Want to make bet?

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Celebrate your ignorance at all of our peril. It is an objectively stupid statement. Trump has praised Putin exhaustively. 

I think the thing that people dont realize about Trump, especially the left, is that you dont take words at face value. He isnt a politician. Everything is negotiation. I very well maybe wrong and I will sit here and admit it. I am not going anywhere. I just dont believe what you see is what you get with Trump.

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1 minute ago, HellesBier said:

When I google that nothing definitive comes up. I am afraid this is another concept that the echo chamber produces. Trump is not handing over the entirety of Ukraine to Russia man are you out of your mind. This is where this website and others becomes unhealthy. Jesus. The worst case scenario is that Trump "ends the war" by giving the Eastern regions to Russia. I am not in support of that nor are the Ukranians.

You don't Google well. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-blames-ukraines-zelenskiy-starting-war-with-russia-2024-10-17/

"Trump has also slammed the Ukrainian leader for failing to seek peace with Moscow, and he has suggested Ukraine may have to cede some of its land to Russia to make a peace deal, a concession Kyiv considers unacceptable."

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1 minute ago, HellesBier said:

I think the thing that people dont realize about Trump, especially the left, is that you dont take words at face value. He isnt a politician. Everything is negotiation. I very well maybe wrong and I will sit here and admit it. I am not going anywhere. I just dont believe what you see is what you get with Trump.

Again, you're a fucking idiot. You are wrong. You're obviously wrong. You are just too fucking stupid. 

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29 minutes ago, Stros121 said:

Just posting fuckery I find interesting. I’m looking for the truth no matter what side. The truth will set you free. 

There's every reason to believe, although it is yet to be confirmed, that that is the result of a GOP operation. https://www.economist.com/united-states/2024/10/17/republicans-ramp-up-efforts-to-court-amish-voters-in-pennsylvania

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2 minutes ago, HellesBier said:

I think the thing that people dont realize about Trump, especially the left, is that you dont take words at face value. He isnt a politician. Everything is negotiation. I very well maybe wrong and I will sit here and admit it. I am not going anywhere. I just dont believe what you see is what you get with Trump.

you're the second person in as many days to say that you can't take trump at his word. well, then what the fuck can you take him on because his actions are worse? is anything he says true? history says no, not really, like not at all

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you're the second person in as many days to say that you can't take trump at his word. well, then what the fuck can you take him on because his actions are worse? is anything he says true? history says no, not really, like not at all

I can tell you have neve had to negotiate at a business level in your life.

When Trump says America is pulling out of Nato, do you think he really wants to do that. Now the idiot liberals run to the internet to bitch and complain. What he is really doing is sending a message to NATO and the EU that hey we are not your puppet boys so get your military together.

You know what, it worked. But the liberals only see surface level words. the world needs baristas. 

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1 minute ago, HellesBier said:

I can tell you have neve had to negotiate at a business level in your life.

Oh for fuck's sake.  Brilliant negotiator!  Businessman!

Also waiting on that evidence, or proof of non-citizens voting on any measurable scale.

 

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I think the thing that people dont realize about Trump, especially the left, is that you dont take words at face value. He isnt a politician. Everything is negotiation. I very well maybe wrong and I will sit here and admit it. I am not going anywhere. I just dont believe what you see is what you get with Trump.

If you are wrong, and to be clear I very much hope you are not, what will that do to your relationship with Donald Trump and the Republican Party?
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If you are wrong, and to be clear I very much hope you are not, what will that do to your relationship with Donald Trump and the Republican Party?

Well Trump is not a republican he is running as one. Trump is his own thing and I do not love the old school repubs like Dick. If Trump settles with Russia I will most likely turn my back on him and be quiet as I was a stupid incorrect cunt and I will work at McDonalds for free for the rest of my life in clown face. Does that work for you?

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Well if there is one thing that is great for discourse it is definitely insults. I am the one that was in Ukraine 9 days ago. If you care about Ukraine so much, what have you done?

This guy clearly supports Russia and Putin, how do you not see that?

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“I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful,” Trump said in a radio interview with “The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.” “He used the word ‘independent’ and ‘we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.’ You gotta say that’s pretty savvy.”

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Speaking at a rally in Conway, South Carolina, Trump recalled how as president he told an unidentified NATO member that he would withhold U.S. help and "encourage" Russia to do as it wishes with allies that do not contribute enough to military spending.

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SAVANNAH, Ga. (AP) — Donald Trump on Tuesday praised Russia’s military record in historical conflicts and derided U.S. aid to Ukraine as he again insisted he would quickly end the war launched by Moscow’s invasion if elected president.


 

 

 

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1 minute ago, HellesBier said:

I can tell you have neve had to negotiate at a business level in your life.

I've run three different businesses in the last 20 years and plan start several more. you don't know shit about me. I can tell you're completely full of shit and pretty much nothing you say is true, except for the part voting for dotard. that I believe. I don't believe someone in the thick of conflict in Ukraine would come back to the states just to vote when absentee voting would do just fine.

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7 minutes ago, HellesBier said:

sup brother.

sigh. well we'll never agree on trump. fine. but i hope you see the truth. stay safe out out in UKA. I have a good friend I was the best man at his wedding, he also is the son of illegal immigrants, joined the army, loves trump. I just don't get it. He literally is against the children that are him. whateves. stay safe and fuck russia.

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I can tell you have neve had to negotiate at a business level in your life.

When Trump says America is pulling out of Nato, do you think he really wants to do that. Now the idiot liberals run to the internet to bitch and complain. What he is really doing is sending a message to NATO and the EU that hey we are not your puppet boys so get your military together.

You know what, it worked. But the liberals only see surface level words. the world needs baristas. 

Yes, because he literally sought to do it you fucking idiot. I'm a lawyer. 90% of my life is negotiation. I call a spade a spade. Sorry if it upsets you. 

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I've run three different businesses in the last 20 years and plan start several more. you don't know shit about me. I can tell you're completely full of shit and pretty much nothing you say is true, except for the part voting for dotard. that I believe. I don't believe someone in the thick of conflict in Ukraine would come back to the states just to vote when absentee voting would do just fine.

Ok man well it seems there isnt any opportunity to talk here so lets just leave it as that.

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sigh. well we'll never agree on trump. fine. but i hope you see the truth. stay safe out out in UKA. I have a good friend I was the best man at his wedding, he also is the son of illegal immigrants, joined the army, loves trump. I just don't get it. He literally is against the children that are him. whateves. stay safe and fuck russia.

Fuck Russia, amigo.

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Ok man well it seems there isnt any opportunity to talk here so lets just leave it as that.

is he such a good negotiator that he had to file for bankruptcy what 4? 6? times? you've been fed a load of shit and everyone here is trying to tell you that. you aren't going to convince many, if any, here to take anything you say seriously when you support him. it's pretty indefensible at this point - but keep trying I guess. 

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7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

There's every reason to believe, although it is yet to be confirmed, that that is the result of a GOP operation. https://www.economist.com/united-states/2024/10/17/republicans-ramp-up-efforts-to-court-amish-voters-in-pennsylvania

Okay got it. You’re throwing shit at the wall. It might stick.

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Well Trump is not a republican he is running as one. Trump is his own thing and I do not love the old school repubs like Dick. If Trump settles with Russia I will most likely turn my back on him and be quiet as I was a stupid incorrect cunt and I will work at McDonalds for free for the rest of my life in clown face. Does that work for you?

Look man, I wasn’t trying to be snarky. The biggest frustration many of us have with Trump has nothing to do with the man himself, it has to do with what he has done to the people we love most in this world. Over the last eight years, I’ve seen many of my closest family and friends start supporting causes that would have seemed unfathomable to them before 2016, all in the name of politics. That “red line” seems non-existent to many folks, so I was just curious if this would be one for you or just another excuse to move the goalposts.
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