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  On 10/26/2024 at 2:04 PM, aggie08 said:

Good businessmen know when to be best deploy multiple bankruptcies is also quite the take.

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Yeah. I understand that sometimes you go bankrupt. Sudden economic disaster happened. You took a business risk that went south. Sometimes best laid plans go astray and you don't want to saddle people with debt slavery their whole lives when that happens.

But if you are just going bankrupt over and over again, at some point it looks like you are just gaming the system and what you are doing is basically stealing. Not to name any names or anything.

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  On 10/26/2024 at 2:11 PM, Valmy77 said:

Yeah. I understand that sometimes you go bankrupt. Sudden economic disaster happened. You took a business risk that went south. Sometimes best laid plans go astray and you don't want to saddle people with debt slavery their whole lives when that happens.

But if you are just going bankrupt over and over again, at some point it looks like you are just gaming the system and what you are doing is basically stealing. Not to name any names or anything.

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And in the same business, where the vast majority are extremely successful, ranging from mobsters who skim to relatively unsophisticated Native Americans.  The actual businessmen that succeed do so wildly, see. e.g. Hughes Organization, Steve Wynn, Sheldon Adelson.

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  On 10/26/2024 at 2:19 PM, Fudge Nuggets said:

We don't care if they respect her or not.  We want them to FEAR her.

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This weird opinion that somehow foreign leaders respect or don't respect our Presidents based entirely on what party they are in is a bunch of nonsense anyway. The truth is that respect has nothing to do with it. Foreign powers look at our Presidents as situations to be managed, regardless of who it is.

If it is Kamala or Trump they will figure out what they need to do to get what they want.

And most of the work is done by seasoned state department officials anyway. It isn't like Joe Biden gets sent out there very often.

Sure I guess sometimes we get some foreign policy veteran like Ike in charge but barely ever happens. He might be the only one actually.

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Ludicrous concept that Russia is putting their might behind electing Trump because they feel disrespect for Harris.

Putin knows he can run over Trump. Sure Putin will have to tell Trump how great Trump is, but Trump will then agree to get out of Ukraine and continue his dismantling of NATO. Putin also may need to invest in Trump international projects as well.

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i don’t think the plan was to ever get those fraud voters counted, but to show there’s fraud in the registration process and everything should be thrown out when trump loses PA 

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  On 10/26/2024 at 5:53 PM, tx 3 putt said:

i don’t think the plan was to ever get those fraud voters counted, but to show there’s fraud in the registration process and everything should be thrown out when trump loses PA 

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Yup. Everything is just sowing seeds to justify a bunch of illegitimate challenges to vote counts so that they can delay certification long enough to throw the election to the house delegations.

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Pennsylvania isn’t getting delayed.  I am less concerned about fuckery in that state.  She just needs to win it.  NC and GA are the two I worry about but I’m hopeful she doesn’t need them.  
 

Worst case as others have said is that this comes down to one state like 2000.  That state may truly be a battleground of sorts for 8 weeks. 

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  On 10/26/2024 at 2:11 PM, Valmy77 said:

But if you are just going bankrupt over and over again, at some point it looks like you are just gaming the system and what you are doing is basically stealing. Not to name any names or anything.

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Especially if it’s your compensation that’s continually putting the company in the red.  It’s using a business to launder investment money to you, until the business can’t borrow any more money to pay you and then you destroy the business through bankruptcy, completely insulated financially for taking all of the money, leaving investors with little recourse but to argue over the scraps of the business. 
 

One would think that after around two such instances, that investors would wise up and stop finding his ventures- it’s the main lever for curtailing such practices. 

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  On 10/26/2024 at 6:23 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

Especially if it’s your compensation that’s continually putting the company in the red.  It’s using a business to launder investment money to you, until the business can’t borrow any more money to pay you and then you destroy the business through bankruptcy, completely insulated financially for taking all of the money, leaving investors with little recourse but to argue over the scraps of the business. 
 

One would think that after around two such instances, that investors would wise up and stop finding his ventures- it’s the main lever for curtailing such practices. 

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@HellesBier says fraud is just good business. 

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This could go in any number of threads.  

‘STOP COUNTING VOTES, OR WE’RE GOING TO MURDER YOUR CHILDREN’

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/10/election-workers-threats-trump/680362/

 

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When Melissa kono, the town clerk in Burnside, Wisconsin, began training election workers in 2015, their questions were relatively mundane. They asked about election rules, voter eligibility, and other basic procedures. The job was gratifying and enjoyable; they helped their neighbors while sipping coffee.

But over the past few years, everything has changed. Kono now finds herself fielding questions about what to do when approached by suspicious voters who ask provocative questions or gripe about fraud. She’s added an entire training section dedicated to identifying threats and how to report them. “I never in a million years imagined that that would be part of my curriculum,” she told me. Kono has yet to receive any direct threats herself—perhaps, she thinks, because Donald Trump won the popular vote in her area in 2016 and 2020—but she fears that things may be different this time around. “What I do hear is I know the election is not rigged here, but in other places,” she said. “And I’m honestly worried sometimes: What if Harris wins? What if it gets too close? And now they start questioning me or coming after me, when I have nothing to do with the outcome.”

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Around the country, election officials have already received death threats and packages filled with white powder. Their dogs have been poisoned, their homes swatted, their family members targeted. In Texas, one man called for a “a mass shooting of poll workers and election officials” in precincts with results he found suspicious. “The point is coercion; the point is intimidation. It’s to get you to do or not do something,” Al Schmidt, the secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, told me—to get you to “stop counting votes, or we’re going to murder your children, and they name your children,” a threat that Schmidt said he received in 2020. This year, the same things may well happen again. “I had one election official who said they called her on her cellphone and said, ‘Looks like your mom made lasagna tonight; she’s wearing that pretty yellow dress that she likes to wear to church,” Tammy Patrick, the chief programs officer at the National Association of Election Officials and a former elections officer in Maricopa County, Arizona, told me. “It’s terrorism here in America.”

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These workers, from secretaries of state to local officials to volunteers, are bearing the immediate, human toll of a campaign to discredit the integrity of American democracy. They are the most direct and vulnerable targets for people who have embraced conspiracy theories about fraudulent and “stolen” votes following the 2020 election—unfounded claims that have been directly promoted by Trump and many other members of the Republican Party, who still will not accept that he lost his first reelection bid. Where candidates used to compete against each other, Schmidt told me, some are now “attacking the referees.” In the most extreme narratives, election workers are accused of fabricating, shredding, or double-counting ballots, which leads to suspicion and harassment. “Since the 2020 election, we have seen an unprecedented spike in threats against the public servants who do administer our elections,” including shootings and a bomb threat, Attorney General Merrick Garland said last month. A survey conducted in February and March by the Brennan Center for Justice found that 38 percent of election officials reported being harassed, abused, or threatened—up from 30 percent a year earlier.

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I mean, they're bragging about the treason before they even do the treason this time.

And millions of so-called patriots will not only condone it, but celebrate it.  They'll justify it with, "Well, they stole it from him the last time."

I think we're fucked.  Even if this all goes as well as it possibly could, it's only a matter of time at this point.

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Local news (Fox 7) reporting this morning on the threatening letters from magats showing up in Hays.  BUT they are only showing the top line of the letter, which doesn't let the public know which side these are coming from and who they are targeting.  That's some bullshit in my book.

"Oh we are seeing voter intimidation, but not gonna tell you who is doing it!"  Fuck this shit.  Republicans and their voters are fucking terrorists.

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BTW...the Trumpkins are genuinely fucking deranged.  Checked my socials, and I have a Trumpkin (I keep the connection because it's fascinating to watch).

1) He is screaming about how Youtube is "hiding" the Rogan interview of Trump, you can't discover it with a "common sense search like 'trump joe rogan podcast!'"

2) He says "now THAT is election interference!"

Two problems.

1) I searched "Joe Rogan Trump" on YT.....and the episode popped right up, first result.

2) FASCINATING that a social media platform possibly messing with a search result is "election interference!"....but an ENTIRE social media platform (Twitter) being OPENLY DEDICATED TO ADVANCING TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN, well, that's just fine.

 

These people are fucking psychopaths.

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  On 10/26/2024 at 1:53 AM, Stros121 said:

Just posting fuckery I find interesting. I’m looking for the truth no matter what side. The truth will set you free. 

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Let us know when you find some Democrat election fraud.  I haven't seen that yet.  I've seen many examples of Republicans doing it the past several years.

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  On 10/26/2024 at 3:07 AM, Stros121 said:

 

Y’all hate trump more than you love this country
 

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Horse fucking shit. MAGAts love Trump more than they love this country. They're a bunch of traitorous dipshits, the whiniest little snowflake bitches this country has ever seen, clinging to an absolute moron of a human being who shits all over this country and over them every chance he gets. 

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CNN — 

Michigan prosecutors charged a Chinese citizen with voter fraud and perjury after he allegedly cast a ballot in the 2024 election, authorities announced Wednesday.

Sources familiar with the matter told CNN that the 19-year-old Chinese man who allegedly voted is a student who lives in Ann Arbor, home to the University of Michigan. Authorities said the man isn’t a US citizen, and therefore can’t vote in federal elections.

 

The Chinese man – a student at the University of Michigan – cast his ballot on Sunday and then reached out to local election officials later that day in an attempt to get the ballot back, according to a source familiar with the situation.

The man registered to vote at the polling place on Sunday, the source said. He used his university ID and other documents to demonstrate his residency in Ann Arbor while filling out a same-day voter registration forms, the source said. The Detroit News first reported the details.

 

It appears that the student’s vote can’t be nullified after the fact and will be counted.

Washtenaw County Clerk Lawrence Kestenbaum told CNN ballots can’t be retrieved once they have gone through the tabulator. Unlike vote-by-mail, ballots cast at in-person voting locations don’t contain any identifying information about the individual voter, making it impossible to determine which one belonged to the student, Kestenbaum said.

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/10/30/politics/michigan-chinese-citizen-charged-after-illegally-voting

not caught, self reported. 
 

Vote still counts

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  On 10/31/2024 at 1:01 PM, ChickenSandwich said:
CNN — 

Michigan prosecutors charged a Chinese citizen with voter fraud and perjury after he allegedly cast a ballot in the 2024 election, authorities announced Wednesday.

Sources familiar with the matter told CNN that the 19-year-old Chinese man who allegedly voted is a student who lives in Ann Arbor, home to the University of Michigan. Authorities said the man isn’t a US citizen, and therefore can’t vote in federal elections.

 

The Chinese man – a student at the University of Michigan – cast his ballot on Sunday and then reached out to local election officials later that day in an attempt to get the ballot back, according to a source familiar with the situation.

The man registered to vote at the polling place on Sunday, the source said. He used his university ID and other documents to demonstrate his residency in Ann Arbor while filling out a same-day voter registration forms, the source said. The Detroit News first reported the details.

 

It appears that the student’s vote can’t be nullified after the fact and will be counted.

Washtenaw County Clerk Lawrence Kestenbaum told CNN ballots can’t be retrieved once they have gone through the tabulator. Unlike vote-by-mail, ballots cast at in-person voting locations don’t contain any identifying information about the individual voter, making it impossible to determine which one belonged to the student, Kestenbaum said.

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/10/30/politics/michigan-chinese-citizen-charged-after-illegally-voting

not caught, self reported. 
 

Vote still counts


Hopefully this is the single vote that gives her a victory.
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  On 10/31/2024 at 1:01 PM, ChickenSandwich said:
CNN — 

Michigan prosecutors charged a Chinese citizen with voter fraud and perjury after he allegedly cast a ballot in the 2024 election, authorities announced Wednesday.

Sources familiar with the matter told CNN that the 19-year-old Chinese man who allegedly voted is a student who lives in Ann Arbor, home to the University of Michigan. Authorities said the man isn’t a US citizen, and therefore can’t vote in federal elections.

 

The Chinese man – a student at the University of Michigan – cast his ballot on Sunday and then reached out to local election officials later that day in an attempt to get the ballot back, according to a source familiar with the situation.

The man registered to vote at the polling place on Sunday, the source said. He used his university ID and other documents to demonstrate his residency in Ann Arbor while filling out a same-day voter registration forms, the source said. The Detroit News first reported the details.

 

It appears that the student’s vote can’t be nullified after the fact and will be counted.

Washtenaw County Clerk Lawrence Kestenbaum told CNN ballots can’t be retrieved once they have gone through the tabulator. Unlike vote-by-mail, ballots cast at in-person voting locations don’t contain any identifying information about the individual voter, making it impossible to determine which one belonged to the student, Kestenbaum said.

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/10/30/politics/michigan-chinese-citizen-charged-after-illegally-voting

not caught, self reported. 
 

Vote still counts

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Where is your outrage at the intentional, not self-reported, fraudulent efforts by MAGA? 

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Posted
  On 10/31/2024 at 1:01 PM, ChickenSandwich said:
CNN — 

Michigan prosecutors charged a Chinese citizen with voter fraud and perjury after he allegedly cast a ballot in the 2024 election, authorities announced Wednesday.

Sources familiar with the matter told CNN that the 19-year-old Chinese man who allegedly voted is a student who lives in Ann Arbor, home to the University of Michigan. Authorities said the man isn’t a US citizen, and therefore can’t vote in federal elections.

 

The Chinese man – a student at the University of Michigan – cast his ballot on Sunday and then reached out to local election officials later that day in an attempt to get the ballot back, according to a source familiar with the situation.

The man registered to vote at the polling place on Sunday, the source said. He used his university ID and other documents to demonstrate his residency in Ann Arbor while filling out a same-day voter registration forms, the source said. The Detroit News first reported the details.

 

It appears that the student’s vote can’t be nullified after the fact and will be counted.

Washtenaw County Clerk Lawrence Kestenbaum told CNN ballots can’t be retrieved once they have gone through the tabulator. Unlike vote-by-mail, ballots cast at in-person voting locations don’t contain any identifying information about the individual voter, making it impossible to determine which one belonged to the student, Kestenbaum said.

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/10/30/politics/michigan-chinese-citizen-charged-after-illegally-voting

not caught, self reported. 
 

Vote still counts

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Was the 2020 election stolen from Trump?

Yes or no.

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  On 10/31/2024 at 1:24 PM, Chuckie Finster said:


Hopefully this is the single vote that gives her a victory.

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Why does anything think that he voted for Harris? Someone from an authoritarian country would more naturally vote for an authoritarian not Harris. 

 

EDIT: This is also why we should have an identifying data on a vote that indicates exactly who an individual votes so that we can remove a vote when it's determined to be wrong.

Personally I don't care if the govt, via a regulated process, can figure out who I voted for. If the Trump browns shorts want to arrest me, I'm not afraid of them. Take me off to you MAGA concentration camp.

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I'm rather partial to the whole "secret ballot" thing, so nah.

Around here (WA) and as far as I can tell in other VBM states, there is no identifying info on the ballot itself. You sign the exterior (mailing) envelope, which is checked at the county election department, then the envelope is piled up with all the other ones to be opened and the ballot removed from the security envelope inside. The ballots are then processed in large groups. Prior to the ballot being removed from the mailing envelope, yes, they can find your ballot, but once it's taken out they can't. A ballot cast in person of course does not have the signed mailing envelope and so can't be identified at any point. The ballots themselves are identical.

This story is poorly written as no ballot has identifying info, VBM or in-person, and the story states otherwise. It appears the election officials did not get adequate proof of citizenship to register the student and he should never have been allowed to vote in the first place. That sort of thing could happen anywhere; fortunately it is exceedingly rare.



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