2024 Fall Camp Thread - Bubble Wrap ALL THE RB

[hornian 5289]

8 hours ago, closetojumping said:

If I ever get in trouble, I just go 5 Wide, All Go/Verticals and throw it deep to Bond, and then Wingo, and then a 5 star that I recruited with 99 speed. It feels like cheating. 

Are you me after the CPU torches my D for a 3 play 80 yard drive in 15 seconds, and I need to score again before the half to make things right in the universe? 

[pops 7142]

1 hour ago, Tex Long said:

Or a sex toy with three settings.

[HenryJames 67322]

15 minutes ago, Harrison Stafford said:

These are the stats from our RB’s in 1969.  Steve Worster 4.8 YPC, Jim Bertelsen 7.1 YPC, Ted Koy 5.3 YPC, Bobby Callison 4.7 YPC, Billy Dale 5.4 YPC, Terry Collins 5.6 YPC, Paul Robichau 6.3 YPC.  These are the stats from our RB’s in 1996.  Shon Mitchell 5.4 YPC, Ricky Williams 6.2 YPC, Priest Holmes 5.5 YPC, Chris Butcher 4.7 YPC, Ricky Browm 4.1 YPC.  We had more depth at RB in  1969 than we did in 1996.

[Harrison Stafford 3392]

Those white peoples would run over your ass.

[hornian 5289]

Just now, Harrison Stafford said:

Those white peoples would run over your ass.

We already have one old man yelling at clouds on this site. 

[closetojumping 65379]

17 minutes ago, Slacks said:

You bring up a good point... there is gold in them hills... I would be fine with seeing us roll out 6 WRs that can go off...  But I don't think the folklore is folklore. I don't recall him rolling out a bunch of WRs anywhere... and maybe he never could.

I guess it all depends upon one’s perspective. The guy used 4 wrs at Bama two years in a row. He also threw regularly to two different TEs during the same period, or at least 2020. He used 5 wide receivers in his rotation for at least one year at UW. 

So if the notion is that he’s never used more than 3 in the rotation, that’s just flatly wrong. If it’s that he’s never used 6, okay. The idea that the rotation will wind up being limited to 3 this season, unless due to injury, is incorrect. Is it fully 6? That shouldn’t surprise anyone. 

[Harrison Stafford 3392]

32 minutes ago, hornian said:

We already have one old man yelling at clouds on this site. 

Obviously, you weren’t a math major.

[BurntOrange&White 41846]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

That’s not actually correct and has become something akin to folklore. In addition, he’s clearly stated repeatedly this offseason that he’s going with a larger rotation because he can. 

Also, Texas has committed mid-6 figures to a minimum of 6 WRs at Sarkisian’s pleading. If boosters spend $400k on Golden to just see him returning kicks, that’s going to be a problem in the future.  Y’all may not like that, but it’s part of the game now. 

Makes sense to me….just look at it business like the NFL. 

[Bevo 13870]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Or to put another way, there isn't a Casey Cain in the two-deep anymore.

Livingston is working on it.

[BigHorn'13 3494]

39 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I guess it all depends upon one’s perspective. The guy used 4 wrs at Bama two years in a row. He also threw regularly to two different TEs during the same period, or at least 2020. He used 5 wide receivers in his rotation for at least one year at UW. 

I think part of the folklore you speak to came about when he was first hired and said that too many numbers were allocated to the WR room. I think people then just assumed he wanted to keep the numbers low (7-9 players) and have a set of starters, soon to be starters, and rookies/ depth/ insurance. 

[BurntOrange&White 41846]

3 minutes ago, BigHorn'13 said:

I think part of the folklore you speak to came about when he was first hired and said that too many numbers were allocated to the WR room. I think people then just assumed he wanted to keep the numbers low (7-9 players) and have a set of starters, soon to be starters, and rookies/ depth/ insurance. 

And we haven’t had this many good WRs on a team in his tenure here. We had one his first two years and 2.5 last year 

[thunderlounge 8407]

22 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Livingston is working on it.

So you presume. 

[LTtxfan 49986]

SIAP

 

[Dennis Taylor 19343]

You dorks have to stop making comparisons between video games and real football 

[futureman 22691]

3 hours ago, Harrison Stafford said:

These are the stats from our RB’s in 1969.  Steve Worster 4.8 YPC, Jim Bertelsen 7.1 YPC, Ted Koy 5.3 YPC, Bobby Callison 4.7 YPC, Billy Dale 5.4 YPC, Terry Collins 5.6 YPC, Paul Robichau 6.3 YPC.  These are the stats from our RB’s in 1996.  Shon Mitchell 5.4 YPC, Ricky Williams 6.2 YPC, Priest Holmes 5.5 YPC, Chris Butcher 4.7 YPC, Ricky Browm 4.1 YPC.  We had more depth at RB in  1969 than we did in 1996.

congratulations on 1) not knowing how offensive trends work and 2) not understanding your own argument.  truly amazing.

[TotallyLegit 3100]

1 hour ago, Dennis Taylor said:

You dorks have to stop making comparisons between video games and real football 

[Herpa Derpa 6343]

too slow

Edited August 6 by Herpa Derpa

[Hagbard Celine 11215]

is sark scheming something?  is there some innovative strategery that 6 makes possible?  or is he just after depth?

[Longhornlove 5195]

10 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

2.5 last year 

You know 3 got drafted right. So the guy drafted last was just 1/2 good huh?

[BurntOrange&White 41846]

1 minute ago, Longhornlove said:

You know 3 got drafted right. So the guy drafted last was just 1/2 good huh?

I wouldn't consider Whitt a great college receiver. He may likely have a better pro career than college, if healthy. But regardless of opinions on Whitt the point still remains...after them there was basically not much last year.

Edited August 6 by BurntOrange&White

[Longhornlove 5195]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I wouldn't consider Whitt a great college receiver. He may likely have a better pro career than college, if healthy. But regardless of opinions on Whitt the point still remains...after them there was basically not much last year.

I'll accept that but just pointing out that you said "good receivers" not great. Whit was a reliable option in the passing game, good at breaking tackles, not really a deep threat but a great and willing blocker. I would juxtapose that if he was here still, he would still be a starter as he was a very good slot reciever. But then again I am a "Bafoon" of a poster so don't listen to me.

[BurntOrange&White 41846]

Bobby Burton

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Posted 2 minutes ago

I feel like I'm starting to be a Trey Moore truther.

The UTSA transfer has been one of the early standouts in camp. Yesterday, I asked Steve Sarkisian what makes Moore different than perhaps his other edge rushers.

"He's twitchy," Sark said. "He has the unique ability to bend. He has an up and under move, a double move, he knows how to switch things up."

Sark then described why Moore may be a little special. Sark said Moore knows how to set guys up, how one move earlier in a practice might give him an edge for a different move later in practice. That gamesmanship is part of why Moore will almost assuredly help improve the Texas pass rush in 2024.

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Texas gets back on the practice field this afternoon around 2:45pm. It will be the team's first practice in full pads.

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Sark was asked about young players and/or new players we haven't talked much about standing out yesterday. He identified running Jerrick Gibson, who Sark said did some nice things in practice yesterday, offensive lineman Nate Kibble, safety Jordan Johnson-Rubell, who Sark said has improved even since this spring, receiver Silas Bolden and linebacker Ty'Anthony Smith. It's the second time Sark has specifically mentioned Smith as impressing him.

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As for Bolden, Sark said the Oregon State transfer would "definitely be a factor" for the Texas offense in 2024. I think that may even be an understatement.

What makes him different?

Bolden has something this offense would have lacked without Xavier Worthy and that's suddenness at receiver. Bolden has that suddenness more so than any other wideout in the program. His suddenness is elite IMO.

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I also asked Sark about the Texas TEs.

His first reaction?

"I love our TE room."

There is not a position that surprises me more than this one heading into 2024.

Think about it. Texas lost a record-setting tight end yet I believe the unit overall may be better this season because of the different pieces of the puzzle. That's a credit to successful recruiting in the portal with Amari Niblack, successful overall development with Gunnar Helm and Juan Davis and really good high school recruiting with Jordan Washington.

That's how you make a team, a program, keep growing. You use all of the different types of talent accumulation that you can to make your team better.

I could go on about the TE room, but suffice to say, I'm extremely impressed with this group right now.

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Yesterday was the first day I really noticed true freshman Daniel Cruz. Cruz has elite quickness. In fact, I think the three quickest OLs appear to be Cruz, Neto Umeozulu and Malik Agbo.

Quickness, of course, is just one aspect of an OL. But it also tends to be a trait that can be developed around long-term.

For the record, Connor Robertson also looks really good right now as back-up center. Texas has some really good, young talent on the OL.

[Codaxx 6243]

12 hours ago, closetojumping said:

I guess it all depends upon one’s perspective. The guy used 4 wrs at Bama two years in a row. He also threw regularly to two different TEs during the same period, or at least 2020. He used 5 wide receivers in his rotation for at least one year at UW. 

So if the notion is that he’s never used more than 3 in the rotation, that’s just flatly wrong. If it’s that he’s never used 6, okay. The idea that the rotation will wind up being limited to 3 this season, unless due to injury, is incorrect. Is it fully 6? That shouldn’t surprise anyone. 

I dont think anyone is stating Sark will only use 3 WRs. Only real 4 man rotation Sark has run the last 5 years was that insane Bama group of DeVonte Smith, Jeudy, Ruggs, and Waddle in 2019. That was 4 first round WRs, so he will open it up for talent. 2020 Waddle only played 6 games and it was Smith, Metchie, and Bolden basically running the show after. Bolden didnt have a catch for the 1st 4 games that year. Granted at Texas, he just hasnt had a lot of talent to open it up, so it may not be the best data point. We will see how it plays out, but it seems unlikely to he uses a true 6 man rotation based on his history. Sounds like the discussion is around a 4-5 man rotation. The biggest factor will be if any or how many of the current group break out and become All-Conference type players. Personally, I hope it is a pretty tight rotation. If it is 4 man rotation, that probably means 2 of the group have become All-SEC type WRs. If it is 6 man rotation, that means nobody has elevated themselves. 

Edited August 6 by Codaxx

[jdhorn92 1594]

I can see Bolden lining up in the backfield some or running the orbit route ala Davantae Smith. With reports of his quickness and suddenness, that little route Bijan would run out in the flat  is going to be deadly. 

[Atticus 4208]

Being able to keep guys fresh despite running deep routes and having long catch and runs is a major benefit. 
I remember seeing Worthy get so gassed or nicked up at times during games and there wouldn’t be anyone able fill in for him. 

[Codaxx 6243]

5 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Being able to keep guys fresh despite running deep routes and having long catch and runs is a major benefit. 
I remember seeing Worthy get so gassed or nicked up at times during games and there wouldn’t be anyone able fill in for him. 

That does remind me of watching Worthy limp off the field like he was just shot, only to come back and fly by a CB the next series. He made my heart skip a few times last season. 

[Red Five 41703]

Note on Barron from IT.

Per a source, Barron starting at boundary corner and Malik Muhammad starting at field corner is a very real possibility. This is made possible due to a few key factors:

1. Jaylon Guilbeau’s growth at Star. Guilbeau continues to build on his great offseason and continues to earn his snaps 

2. Barron’s athleticism to play corner. Barron and Guilbeau are both fast and athletic enough to play corner

3. Muhammad’s versatility at corner. Not all corners can play both boundary and field corner but Muhammad certainly can

Texas will play the best five defensive backs and right now both Guilbeau and Barron are two of the best five. The possibility of Barron at corner becomes more real by the day.

[Bevo 13870]

23 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Note on Barron from IT.

Per a source, Barron starting at boundary corner and Malik Muhammad starting at field corner is a very real possibility. This is made possible due to a few key factors:

1. Jaylon Guilbeau’s growth at Star. Guilbeau continues to build on his great offseason and continues to earn his snaps 

2. Barron’s athleticism to play corner. Barron and Guilbeau are both fast and athletic enough to play corner

3. Muhammad’s versatility at corner. Not all corners can play both boundary and field corner but Muhammad certainly can

Texas will play the best five defensive backs and right now both Guilbeau and Barron are two of the best five. The possibility of Barron at corner becomes more real by the day.

 

That sounds bad for Gavin Holmes and Jay'Vion Cole - I guess they haven't developed as hoped.

[BurntOrange&White 41846]

26 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Note on Barron from IT.

Per a source, Barron starting at boundary corner and Malik Muhammad starting at field corner is a very real possibility. This is made possible due to a few key factors:

1. Jaylon Guilbeau’s growth at Star. Guilbeau continues to build on his great offseason and continues to earn his snaps 

2. Barron’s athleticism to play corner. Barron and Guilbeau are both fast and athletic enough to play corner

3. Muhammad’s versatility at corner. Not all corners can play both boundary and field corner but Muhammad certainly can

Texas will play the best five defensive backs and right now both Guilbeau and Barron are two of the best five. The possibility of Barron at corner becomes more real by the day.

Your long national nightmare is over! 

 

Realistically I think this gives us two physical corners that can press and still run.

Just now, Bevo said:

 

That sounds bad for Gavin Holmes and Jay'Vion Cole - I guess they haven't developed as hoped.

I think it's more about what we want to do at the LOS with our corners this year vs years past.

[Red Five 41703]

Barron is about 5'10" 195 ish with legs like a RB. I just don't see corner with him.

[closetojumping 65379]

31 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Note on Barron from IT.

Per a source, Barron starting at boundary corner and Malik Muhammad starting at field corner is a very real possibility. This is made possible due to a few key factors:

1. Jaylon Guilbeau’s growth at Star. Guilbeau continues to build on his great offseason and continues to earn his snaps 

2. Barron’s athleticism to play corner. Barron and Guilbeau are both fast and athletic enough to play corner

3. Muhammad’s versatility at corner. Not all corners can play both boundary and field corner but Muhammad certainly can

Texas will play the best five defensive backs and right now both Guilbeau and Barron are two of the best five. The possibility of Barron at corner becomes more real by the day.

That’s great and all except for the part where Barron needs to actually get snaps at CB in practice. Those guys are grasping at the same straws as we are and trying to apply whatever handy logic is nearby. 

[BurntOrange&White 41846]

Answers a question we kind of talked about here regarding helmets being marked for communication.

 

 

 

[Red Five 41703]

6 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

That’s great and all except for the part where Barron needs to actually get snaps at CB in practice. Those guys are grasping at the same straws as we are and trying to apply whatever handy logic is nearby. 

Barron was one of three players Sark took to SEC media days. I'd say he's one of our best 2-3 players on defense. I certainly don't buy the "We know what we have in him, so we're just going to play him on the second team the entire first week of practice" explanation. 

[texifornia 59010]

16 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

That sounds bad for Gavin Holmes and Jay'Vion Cole - I guess they haven't developed as hoped.

Jesus Christ this is the most doomer take on a puff piece I've ever seen

Unrelated:

 

[closetojumping 65379]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Barron was one of three players Sark took to SEC media days. I'd say he's one of our best 2-3 players on defense. I certainly don't buy the "We know what we have in him, so we're just going to play him on the second team the entire first week of practice" explanation. 

I’ve confirmed that the guy isn’t getting many looks at CB. 

Also, that’s a good thing. He’s not a fucking corner. 

Now why he’s not in heavy first team rotations irrespective of what they’re doing with Guilbeau, I don’t know. 

[MuellerHorn 4619]

22 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

That sounds bad for Gavin Holmes and Jay'Vion Cole - I guess they haven't developed as hoped.

How do you discern this from that update? If the goal is to get the best five DBs on the field, playing Barron at CB does that.

However, as CTJ said, maybe the 9.95ers have no idea what they're talking about here.

Edited August 6 by MuellerHorn

[closetojumping 65379]

People that many of us non-idiots trust on this kind of thing would say that they’re just playing around with combinations and finding out who fits where situationally before they start doing CSU and Michigan installs. 

I’m not going to worry about the embarrassment of riches they’re dealing with right now. If Barron is actually playing CB for meaningful snaps in the final scrimmage or against CSU, then I’ll start to wonder what in the utter fuck is going on over there. Maybe he needs to have his faced ripped off in coverage against the Texas WRs a few times to realize that the CB fantasy is as valid as LSU’s 2007 title. 

[Hookem2147 22012]

I keep forgetting about Jay'Vion Cole. I would hope he can pass Holmes at some point. 

I'm sure we will see hockey line shifts week 1 in the secondary as they throw guys in the fire. It should be a decent test as the only thing Colorado State can do competently is throw the ball.

[Fud 9724]

Brugler has Trey Moore as the #6 and Ethan Burke as the #12 draft-eligible underclass edge prospect, and Sorrell as his #11 senior 

[Bevo 13870]

27 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Jesus Christ this is the most doomer take on a puff piece I've ever seen

 

 

Not really - Barron is not a corner so if he is starting at corner then it means that Cole and Holmes aren't where they need to be. With that said, I agree with CTJ's sentiments that Barron to corner is BS and just IT talking nonsense.

[Fud 9724]

Has everyone forgotten about the backups playing about as much as the starters in the secondary? Unless there's a philosophical change with Nansen coming in, I don't' see why that would change, so why fret about who's technically the starters? 

[BurntOrange&White 41846]

3 minutes ago, Fud said:

Has everyone forgotten about the backups playing about as much as the starters in the secondary? Unless there's a philosophical change with Nansen coming in, I don't' see why that would change, so why fret about who's technically the starters? 

I haven't forgotten about our terrible substitution packages  

[Bevo 13870]

1 minute ago, Fud said:

Has everyone forgotten about the backups playing about as much as the starters in the secondary? Unless there's a philosophical change with Nansen coming in, I don't' see why that would change, so why fret about who's technically the starters? 

 

Good point, but our secondary wasn't a strength last year and needs to improve. Well, mainly safety but still...

[TexArcher 39037]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Note on Barron from IT.

Per a source, Barron starting at boundary corner and Malik Muhammad starting at field corner is a very real possibility. This is made possible due to a few key factors:

1. Jaylon Guilbeau’s growth at Star. Guilbeau continues to build on his great offseason and continues to earn his snaps 

2. Barron’s athleticism to play corner. Barron and Guilbeau are both fast and athletic enough to play corner

3. Muhammad’s versatility at corner. Not all corners can play both boundary and field corner but Muhammad certainly can

Texas will play the best five defensive backs and right now both Guilbeau and Barron are two of the best five. The possibility of Barron at corner becomes more real by the day.

 

So last year's offense and a top 10 secondary and we gon' run it.

[victory88 5761]

Barron doesn't need reps at nickel.  I imagine they are getting Guilbeau as many reps as he will likely rotate in heavily.  If Barron can play all 3 positions on the back end, I imagine they will sub in Guilbeau a lot if Barron is rotating around the back end if they are subbing out any of the CBs or safeties.  They also had Jelani McDonald working with the 1st team... so yeah... not taking the depth chart too seriously right now.  I imagine it is very likely going to be:

Nickel:  Barron/Guilbeau

CB:  Muhammad, Holmes

S:  Mukuba, Williams

[Red Five 41703]

10 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Barron doesn't need reps at nickel.  I imagine they are getting Guilbeau as many reps as he will likely rotate in heavily. 

Kelvin Banks probably doesn't need reps at LT. If he spent the entire first week working with the second team, with Goosby getting all the first team reps, people would probably be curious as to why that was happening. 

[Longhornlove 5195]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Answers a question we kind of talked about here regarding helmets being marked for communication.

 

 

 

Weird, the "bafoon" got something right. What a terrible poster I am.

[texifornia 59010]

 

[Park Gothic 5373]

Am I the only one that remembers Barron trying to cover receivers last season? It was not his strong suit. I sincerely doubt he will be playing corner regularly. 

That being said, he was amazing at covering screens and picking off bad throws to the flats. He's one of our best DBs against the run as well. At this point, he's probably our best over-all DB period (although Manny and Williams have higher upside). 

It seems more likely that they're working him at CB as part of an effort to put our best 11 on the field at a give time. If down and distance suggest that he's not going to have to cover a real route, then why not move him to corner and bring in the next best guy at star?

[victory88 5761]

23 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Kelvin Banks probably doesn't need reps at LT. If he spent the entire first week working with the second team, with Goosby getting all the first team reps, people would probably be curious as to why that was happening. 

Yeah, just because we get snippets of what's happening in a 20 minute media window doesn't give us an accurate picture of what they are doing during the closed practices.  They had Derek Williams Jr working with the 2nd team as well.  Also, not sure how they split up 1st and 2nd team but it could be something as simple as the 2nd team defense is going against the 1st team offense and maybe they want a look at Barron getting reps against the #1 WRs.  Also your analogy is apples to oranges.  Banks plays just LT.  Sark has said Barron is going to be moving around the back end.  While they try him in multiple spots, it would make sense to let his back up get 1st team reps.  I'm guessing Barron is going to be starting at nickel when they walk out there for the 1st play of the season and all this discussion is going to be forgotten.