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[cmontexas 3237]

SMU making a run at Saban makes a lot of sense if their boosters want to pay to play bigtime college ball.

As for Saban, he'd get to live in Preston Hollow, have zero expectations nationally, wouldn't be going to an SEC rival, easy path to the playoff, and have boosters that will buy him the players he wants. 

UCF would also make sense for those reasons except idk if they have enough money

[statsman 5369]

The cheat code for college HC’s is to have a HC with a rep for developing QBs. That allows the programs to have QB depth at a discount, and makes the OL and WR recruiting pitch simpler. I see theee programs like that in P2: Texas, USC and Bama. 
 
Who are the Mid2 and G5 HCs (or OCs looking to move up) with that rep? That’s who Florida should be looking at. 

Edited September 19 by statsman

[boilerhorn 1298]

8 minutes ago, statsman said:

The cheat code for college HC’s is to have a HC with a rep for developing QBs. That allows the programs to have QB depth at a discount, and makes the OL and WR recruiting pitch simpler. I see theee programs like that in P2: Texas, USC and Bama. 
 
Who are the Mid2 and G5 HCs (or OCs looking to move up) with that rep? That’s who Florida should be looking at. 

Kliff Kingsbury is tanned and rested.

[6th Street 6329]

 

 

[demos 2983]

Kliff Kingsbury is tanned and rested.

Just make sure he hires a defensive coordinator

[South Austin 51976]

2 minutes ago, demos said:

Just make sure he hires a defensive coordinator

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t teach him new tricks.

[PilotsError 2277]

Maybe I'm leaning too  much into recency bias, but I don't see how 2025 Florida is more attractive than 2025 Ole Miss.

[texifornia 56293]

31 minutes ago, PilotsError said:

Maybe I'm leaning too  much into recency bias, but I don't see how 2025 Florida is more attractive than 2025 Ole Miss.

They have so much more potential to be a colossus of the sport every year, but they are a huge mess. It's a real "I believe in myself" play.

[LTtxfan 48823]

 

https://www.si.com/college-football/forde-yard-dash-10-coaches-on-increasingly-hotter-seats

[immamac 42396]

why is billy napier so bad at florida?

[kevwun 15572]

He apparently standouts as a control freak in a profession dominated by control freaks.  The problem is that he's not good at overseeing everything and is obsessed with what he calls his model and the constant tweaking of it.  He's the OC and also heavily involved with special teams which is coached day to day by 2 analysts.  He also has 2 OL coaches for some reason.  He gives off strong Tom Herman vibes, but with less alcohol/drugs and more being on the spectrum.

Edited October 8 by kevwun

[LTtxfan 48823]

13 minutes ago, immamac said:

why is billy napier so bad at florida?

Line of scrimmage issues, mistakes with staff, focus, penalties, and QB huge NIL mistake.  Napier was not ready for a job as big as gata

https://sports.yahoo.com/why-florida-football-coach-billy-080354892.html

One reason Florida football hired Billy Napier was his track record for recruiting and developing offensive linemen.

Tackle Max Mitchell (New York Jets), guard Kevin Doston (Los Angeles) and guard O’Cyrus Torrence (Buffalo Bills) all developed into NFL players under Napier and his staff at Louisiana.

But building a consistent offensive line hasn’t panned out during Napier's two-plus year tenure as the Florida Gators football coach. It looked promising in his first season, when Torrence, an All-American guard, followed him from Louisiana. Since Torrence left for the NFL, Florida has surrendered 44 sacks in 15 games.

This season, Florida has failed to generate significant push up front in the run game. The Gators rushed for just 52 on 2.1 yards per carry Saturday in its 33-20 loss to Texas A&M.

“We had an incredible group at the previous stop,” Napier said. “Several NFL players, I mean, it was a strength for us. We would like to get to that place.”  

 

Also:  The Monday Read: Billy Napier's downfall at Florida is (ironically) tied to lacking attention to detail

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-monday-read-billy-napiers-downfall-at-florida-is-ironically-tied-to-lacking-attention-to-detail/ 

 

Edited October 8 by LTtxfan

[immamac 42396]

I just can't believe how these guys can't actually coach and get these jobs. 

[Doc Daneeka 6769]

10 minutes ago, immamac said:

I just can't believe how these guys can't actually coach and get these jobs. 

They can coach. They can’t necessarily do everything else that’s necessary as they move up the ladder. 

[MrX 701]

8 minutes ago, immamac said:

I just can't believe how these guys can't actually coach and get these jobs. 

At ULL, his ability to recruit as compared to the rest of the conference masked everything else he did poorly day to day because the sheer talent difference meant everything. He also had a good QB (Lewis) that he developed who stayed for all of his eligibility.  
 

At Florida, his ability to recruit is negligible at best compared to most of the SEC, and all his shortcomings are highlighted because there is no real talent edge or, in some cases, at a disadvantage.  And it’s too late for him to develop a good QB who will stay multiple years, although you could argue Mertz has taken a step forward this year. 
 

Lots of parallels to Tom Herman. 

[billfromlaketravis 11329]

It feels like Napier pushed all his chips in last night and it almost worked. I don’t think he could have saved his job, but beating Tennessee probably keeps him employed until December. I’ll give him credit. Florida played hard.

I think Riley’s salary + perks will get him another season. His last appeasement card to play is to give up playcalling. A bitter pill from to swallow, but he’ll do it for $10 million+ a year. 

A lot of smoke that Venables is going to throw Littrell under the bus. Most A list OC hires are going to want to bring their own OL coach with them. Will Venables dump Bedenbaugh too? I doubt it. They’ll hire somebody safe from Dabo’s coaching tree and things won’t improve unless they get a star QB out of the portal.

Kiffin needs to get the hell out of Oxford before everybody figures out he’s full of shit, again. He can’t do better than Florida, and they need a splash. I think he could have some moderate Dan Mullen like success there. 

[Bama Llama 1441]

5 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Kiffin needs to get the hell out of Oxford before everybody figures out he’s full of shit, again. He can’t do better than Florida, and they need a splash. I think he could have some moderate Dan Mullen like success there. 

And . . .  there’s the tanned, lithe & freaky UF coed nubility local color Joey Freshwater lure factor.  The Old South pouty but frisky Scarlett O’Hara gauntlet of Oxford Belles must be growing tiresome by now.

[956 Worldwide 34241]

6 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

It feels like Napier pushed all his chips in last night and it almost worked. I don’t think he could have saved his job, but beating Tennessee probably keeps him employed until December. I’ll give him credit. Florida played hard.

I think Riley’s salary + perks will get him another season. His last appeasement card to play is to give up playcalling. A bitter pill from to swallow, but he’ll do it for $10 million+ a year. 

A lot of smoke that Venables is going to throw Littrell under the bus. Most A list OC hires are going to want to bring their own OL coach with them. Will Venables dump Bedenbaugh too? I doubt it. They’ll hire somebody safe from Dabo’s coaching tree and things won’t improve unless they get a star QB out of the portal.

Kiffin needs to get the hell out of Oxford before everybody figures out he’s full of shit, again. He can’t do better than Florida, and they need a splash. I think he could have some moderate Dan Mullen like success there. 

You have to wonder what Lincoln is feeling.  Riley, OU, and maybe USC all came out for the worse.  

[LTtxfan 48823]

Saw an early October hot seat list:

1. Aranda                   Baylor
2. Napier                    Florida
3. Will Hall                  Southern Miss
4. Sonny Cumbie        LaTech
5. Trent Dilfer              UAB
6. Joe Moorhead        Akron
7. Sam Pittman            Arky
8. Stan Drayton           Temple
9. Scott Satterfield      Cincy
10. Mike Neu                  Ball State

[956 Worldwide 34241]

At what point do we see some creative and hungry for winning university try a radical experiment with staffing and move to an NFL model in all but name. A general manager and staff take over NIL coordination, scouting, recruiting, portal shopping and just hire a coaching staff to take care of on the field aside from a few niceties like the formal in-home or campus visit? 
 

There is no more limit in on-the-field instruction and this seems like an experiment that has had its time come. Very few football coaches have the skill set to oversee the new system. 

[GreenspointTexas 9546]

Lol why did anyone think that kiffin was gonna be good? He’s failed everywhere hes been

[Vermin 3040]

2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

At what point do we see some creative and hungry for winning university try a radical experiment with staffing and move to an NFL model in all but name. A general manager and staff take over NIL coordination, scouting, recruiting, portal shopping and just hire a coaching staff to take care of on the field aside from a few niceties like the formal in-home or campus visit? 
 

There is no more limit in on-the-field instruction and this seems like an experiment that has had its time come. Very few football coaches have the skill set to oversee the new system. 

[Fondren & Main 6626]

1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Lol why did anyone think that kiffin was gonna be good? He’s failed everywhere hes been

It could be argued that he's the 2nd best coach they've ever had by win %.

[billfromlaketravis 11329]

While I don’t think it’s a perfect comparison, Charlie Strong - Venables is fair right now. He has 2 really bad losses to Texas in 3 years. It’s well documented that they hate us more than they’ll ever love themselves. 
 

Their fanbase is convinced they have an elite defense so I think he has a good amount of rope. But if they get smoked again in the Cotton Bowl next year, I think there will be some chirping. 
 

While OU is undoubtedly a blue blood, it’s a difficult job given their recruiting footprint. They have to recruit and evaluate lights out in Houston, the Metroplex, Florida, Vegas, and Fresno. Unfortunately, for them to keep those pipelines open they have to retain subpar coaches like Murray. 
 

New conference doesn’t help. A difficult schedule doesn’t help. Mics in the helmets really don’t help. 

I think they go all in a portal QB, and Venables asks for and receives a 2025 mulligan because they couldn’t hold on to Gabriel + adjusting to a new conference. 

Edited October 14 by billfromlaketravis

[Mr. Drummond 2181]

3 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I think they go all in a portal QB, and Venables asks for a 2025 mulligan because they couldn’t hold on to forced Gabriel out to keep 5* phenom Jackson Arnold + adjusting to a new conference. 

FIFY  ooops.

[billfromlaketravis 11329]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Drummond said:

FIFY  ooops.

Yeah. Gerry thinks it was more OU deciding to move forward with Arnold for ‘crootin’ and forcing Gabriel out. I think it’s muddled enough that Venables can coachspeak his way around it, for now. 

[Vertigo 20225]

14 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

While I don’t think it’s a perfect comparison, Charlie Strong - Venables is fair right now. He has 2 really bad losses to Texas in 3 years. It’s well documented that they hate us more than they’ll ever love themselves. 
 

Their fanbase is convinced they have an elite defense so I think he has a good amount of rope. But if they get smoked again in the Cotton Bowl next year, I think there will be some chirping. 
 

While OU is undoubtedly a blue blood, it’s a difficult job given their recruiting footprint. They have to recruit and evaluate lights out in Houston, the Metroplex, Florida, Vegas, and Fresno. Unfortunately, for them to keep those pipelines open they have to retain subpar coaches like Murray. 
 

New conference doesn’t help. A difficult schedule doesn’t help. Mics in the helmets really don’t help. 

I think they go all in a portal QB, and Venables asks for and receives a 2025 mulligan because they couldn’t hold on to Gabriel + adjusting to a new conference. 

OU is similar to Tennessee in a lot of respects. High level programs historically despite not having a ton of in state talent to pull from. Success at those schools requires a national footprint, but that path is harder now due to NIL. Tennessee has it together on that front, OU does not.

[thunderlounge 7701]

2 hours ago, Vertigo said:

Success at those schools requires a national footprint, but that path is harder now due to NIL. Tennessee has it together on that front, OU does not.

Until the meth lab blows up, at least. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13388]

7 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Saw an early October hot seat list:

1. Aranda                   Baylor
2. Napier                    Florida
3. Will Hall                  Southern Miss
4. Sonny Cumbie        LaTech
5. Trent Dilfer              UAB
6. Joe Moorhead        Akron
7. Sam Pittman            Arky
8. Stan Drayton           Temple
9. Scott Satterfield      Cincy
10. Mike Neu                  Ball State

Isn't Mack Brown on this list?

[billfromlaketravis 11329]

Klatt came out SWINGING to defend Riley on his Monday reaction podcast. Gave the Bobby Bowden rationale: lose close, win close, and then you win big. 
 

Riley is in Year 3. I think it’s undeniable they should be more advanced as a program. They’re still losing close. 

[TexasMan 10736]

 

[TexasMan 10736]

 

[TexasMan 10736]

 

[ATXbronco 4053]

No mention of OU firing their OC?

And lol at Riley being a losing team in his third year.

[LTtxfan 48823]

 

[PittsburghTiger 6129]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

 

[JBJ 3646]

This is to buy Venables more time, but it is also not unwarranted.  It was a weird hire to begin with after he was fired at UNT.  Definitely had failing upwards vibes.

[kevwun 15572]

Deck chairs on the Titanic.  Venables was meddling very hard, making him run some kind of hybrid Briles/air raid spread that he's never done before.

[LTtxfan 48823]

Tim Beck fires his offensive coordinator and gonna call plays

Coastal Carolina fires OC-QB coach Travis Trickett 

 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41925938/coastal-carolina-fires-oc-qb-coach-travis-trickett

[Mittens 8127]

Firing the OC seems odd.

[texifornia 56293]

On 10/14/2024 at 9:19 AM, GreenspointTexas said:

Lol why did anyone think that kiffin was gonna be good? He’s failed everywhere hes been

Except he's been quite good at Ole Miss by their standards. Even their losses this year have been fluke-y. The fanbase has been pleased with his work, but like all HC relationships, eventually everyone just gets a bit tired of each other.

[texifornia 56293]

On 10/20/2024 at 10:41 AM, TexasMan said:

 

As someone with a passing interest in the Pirates, that's not surprising. They're a much prouder and more rabid football fanbase than one might expect, and nothing he's done in Greenville has sparked joy. 

[Mittens 8127]

4 minutes ago, texifornia said:

They're a much prouder and more rabid football fanbase than one might expect

Completely without reason.  24 seasons out of the last 40 at .500 or below. 2 conference titles in the past 40 years ('08, '09).

[texifornia 56293]

4 minutes ago, Mittens said:

Completely without reason.  24 seasons out of the last 40 at .500 or below. 2 conference titles in the past 40 years ('08, '09).

I did not say the team was good. I just said they care a lot 😅.

For starters, it's a brutal recruiting environment with four P5s and two other G5s in the state.

Edited October 22 by texifornia

[South Austin 51976]

31 minutes ago, texifornia said:

As someone with a passing interest in the Pirates, that's not surprising. They're a much prouder and more rabid football fanbase than one might expect, and nothing he's done in Greenville has sparked joy. 

Grew up an hour and a half from Greenville, and during my senior year (Fall of 1991) I visited a friend who was a freshman at ECU and went to a football game.  I remember a mostly full and very loud and energetic crowd, although they had a damn good team that year -- Jeff Blake at QB, Robert Jones at LB -- finishing 11-1 with a No. 9 ranking.  

[Mittens 8127]

3 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Jeff Blake at QB, Robert Jones at LB

Both ended up in Austin after football, w/ sons playing at Austin High.

[Aqua Buddha 14464]

On 10/21/2024 at 8:14 AM, kevwun said:

Deck chairs on the Titanic.  Venables was meddling very hard, making him run some kind of hybrid Briles/air raid spread that he's never done before.

In all fairness, Littrell wasn't so hot running his offense, or whatever it was.  He was stunningly bad so Venables telling him to run something else makes sense.

Littrell seems like those executrives you run across in corporate America who have the education and 20 years work history but still know nothing about what they're doing.  The things I've watched with others breaking down the film on OU, they have no idea what OU was even trying to do.

[Funk Doctor Spock 11850]

Should we go ahead and add Brent Venebals to this thread? He, uh, isn't making it past 2025. We all know this. 

[Funk Doctor Spock 11850]

On 9/18/2024 at 5:58 AM, billfromlaketravis said:

Stein might be a good fit at piggy? But that’s a total tear down and rebuild. It’d take longer than 3 years, and I’m not sure any college coach has that much time anymore. 
 

They should hire a Klieman type and hope they’re bowling in Year 2. 

Arky will NEVER succeed no matter who is the coach. The are perpetual bottom dwellers for all eternity. 

On 9/17/2024 at 6:49 PM, DFW Horn said:

Why would Penn St wanna hire a 5-7 Elko from aggy?

Because he went to Penn, duh. 

On 10/14/2024 at 6:03 AM, LTtxfan said:

Saw an early October hot seat list:

1. Aranda                   Baylor
2. Napier                    Florida
3. Will Hall                  Southern Miss
4. Sonny Cumbie        LaTech
5. Trent Dilfer              UAB
6. Joe Moorhead        Akron
7. Sam Pittman            Arky
8. Stan Drayton           Temple
9. Scott Satterfield      Cincy
10. Mike Neu                  Ball State

TIL Trent Dilfer is a HC I'm college 

On 10/14/2024 at 10:29 AM, billfromlaketravis said:

Yeah. Gerry thinks it was more OU deciding to move forward with Arnold for ‘crootin’ and forcing Gabriel out. I think it’s muddled enough that Venables can coachspeak his way around it, for now. 

Only if you have an hour and a half to listen to him talk 

5 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Tim Beck fires his offensive coordinator and gonna call plays

Coastal Carolina fires OC-QB coach Travis Trickett 

 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41925938/coastal-carolina-fires-oc-qb-coach-travis-trickett

1, 1, 1, 1, 1, X, X, 1, 1. 1, 1, 1, 

It had to be done. 

[texifornia 56293]

Early frontrunner for the ECU gig is LSU OC Joe Sloan, who's a Pirate alum.