CFB coaching carousel

[NCMountaineer 100]

17 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

Brown at WVU is out

let's be real, this move should have been made 2 years ago. Nicest coach ever but guy just can't seem to cut it at the power conference level.

[NCMountaineer 100]

14 hours ago, The Ace of Aces said:

Andy Kotelnicki is the front runner imo 

I'd be pleasantly surprised if this is the case, not saying it's not but the last couple power conference OC to HC moves we made turned out pretty good for the program even if the last one was kindof a choad that looked like Big Ern McCracken 

13 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Funny listening to some Wvu live chats...

Both Saban and Jimbo's names keep coming up in discussions along with Jamey Chadwell and Barry Odom.  😋

Jimbo's semi-realistic. Saban is the usual idiots being purely delusional. Chadwell is already being paid like a (lower tier) power conference HC with a much easier path to the playoff, can't see the admin paying up what's needed for him to jump (north of 7 per IMO). It'll be close to another half decade before I show up at another home game if it's Odom. You don't fire Neal Brown just to replace him with essentially a carbon copy and hope the fans will put up with it. I've also heard Dan Mullen floated but don't think he'd make the jump, especially if Wisconsin opens up as expected, and obviously Rich Rod is out there but after the way he left, just no IMO. 

Edited 7 hours ago by NCMountaineer

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16 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Unless tOSU panics and fires Ryan Day, this is the least interesting coaching carousel cycle I can remember. UNC, WVU, Purdue , and UCF are the biggest openings?  Maybe Pittman retires at Arkansas, but still a far cry from some of the major upheavals of the last few years. 

The pending House settlement is allegedly causing many schools to balk at paying massive buyouts to make coaches go away. Those schools are instead funneling more money into NIL and hoping the current coach gets their shit together. 

16 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

If Gundy is still at Okie Lite a week from now, I’ll be surprised he’s still breathing, let alone coaching there. My Okie cousins are ready for him to disappear one way or another.

I don’t know about all of history and one of the pedants on here will certainly point out some unknown from the annals of history if they can, but Gundy is easily the best coach at OSU for any of our lifetimes. Jimmy Johnson wasn’t there long enough and Gundy’s longevity is kind of crazy.  He’s still not super old. They’d be idiots to push him out.

The notion that someone else could come along and repeat his success, much less improve upon it, is frankly laughable. Okie State is historically a backwater program unless they’re paying out the nose to buy players. Now that everyone can buy players, good luck to them being competitive on that front. They should hang on to Gundy with white knuckles. 

13 hours ago, Blotto said:

If Jimbo went to WVU and got them into the playoffs in year 1, while aggy is still paying him like a top 5 coach....well that would be swell. 

I mean the odds are really, really low because he's a moron, but the universe does like to fuck with aggy.

Jimbo is a dumbass and did his best to tear two different programs down to the studs, but the guy can recruit. I don’t think Texas would have anything to worry about, but all programs on the east coast, eastern midwest and in the greater Philly/NJ area would have to start accounting for WVU with big time recruits. VT, PSU, UNC, Ohio State, UGa and Tennessee would all have a new headache to deal with in recruiting.  Also, Fisher is allegedly a very petty motherfucker. He’d likely go out of his way to fuck with ATM.  

10 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

He should sign a contract for $1 / year.

There’s no offset to his ATM contract. It would burn them up even more to know he’s getting paid good money by someone else every time they cut the annual check. 

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8 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I don’t know about all of history and one of the pedants on here will certainly point out some unknown from the annals of history if they can, but Gundy is easily the best coach at OSU for any of our lifetimes. Jimmy Johnson wasn’t there long enough and Gundy’s longevity is kind of crazy.  He’s still not super old. They’d be idiots to push him out.

The notion that someone else could come along and repeat his success, much less improve upon it, is frankly laughable. Okie State is historically a backwater program unless they’re paying out the nose to buy players. Now that everyone can buy players, good luck to them being competitive on that front. They should hang on to Gundy with white knuckles. 

Our facilities are way better these days so we're not at that enormous disadvantage as in our past. Pat Jones has said on the radio that when they did oncampus visits with recruits they purposefully avoided the stadium. Everything else is correct, you don't force a guy out one year removed from a CCG appearance becasue of one bad season, the first losing season in 20 years. If they wanted to fire him it shouldn't be about the season but his off the cuff comments that keeps getting him in trouble. He's grumpy about it, as are a bunch of coaches at all levels, but has adapted to NIL and the portal like everyone else. When people go off aobut firing him I always remind them that the University of Texas, the bluest of the blue bloods with all the money in the world, went through a decade of medicrity through three bad coaching hires, why would anyone think we'd hit gold all of a sudden? If he goes the way of Mack Brown we might consider it after a few more bad years, but not this year, that's crazy. If he doesn't replace the coordinators though, I'll be pushed pretty far to the skeptics side, his biggest problem has been stubbornness with his assistant coaches. He made a comment at his last presser that programs that want to win are investing in the coaching staff, makes me wonder if he's pressuring the University for a bigger budget to hire coordiators. He made a dumbass comment last year when he hired Brian Nardo out of DIII as defensive coordinator that we "could afford him." If he's grumpy about anything these days its the same gripe he's been passive aggressivly been harping on for years, the coaching budget.

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15 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

There’s no offset to his ATM contract. It would burn them up even more to know he’s getting paid good money by someone else every time they cut the annual check. 

I understand that, but if he has a $1 salary it sends the message that a&m is paying him to coach West Virginia.

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9 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

I understand that, but if he has a $1 salary it sends the message that a&m is paying him to coach West Virginia.

Still what kind of  cuck would accept a $1 coaching sal......I guess I can see your point.

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On 10/14/2024 at 7:43 AM, 956 Worldwide said:

At what point do we see some creative and hungry for winning university try a radical experiment with staffing and move to an NFL model in all but name. A general manager and staff take over NIL coordination, scouting, recruiting, portal shopping and just hire a coaching staff to take care of on the field aside from a few niceties like the formal in-home or campus visit? 
 

There is no more limit in on-the-field instruction and this seems like an experiment that has had its time come. Very few football coaches have the skill set to oversee the new system. 

Bumping my own post because we are seeing the first instance of something very similar to this at Stanford with Drew Luck.  What a super interesting place to try this out.  Stanford has plenty of draw and a rich donor base to tap into for NIL.  Luck comes from a sports management family and has been in NFL planning rooms.  He can bridge the gap between football guy, donors and money and is well placed to try and play money ball in the portal.  He will have a long leash and Stanford can only go up. Watch this space, I think it’s the ideal place to try this out. 
 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42698084/andrew-luck-stanford-gm-means-cardinal-college-football

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Former Stanford and Indianapolis Colts star Andrew Luck's hiring as the Cardinal's general manager for football looms as an intriguing move in the college football landscape for multiple reasons.

The job comes with a unique range, as Luck will manage aspects of both the football and business sides of the program. For football, Luck will oversee the coaching staff, player personnel staff, recruiting, roster management and student-athlete experience.

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The Cardinal's hiring of Luck marks an innovative turn in how football operations work. At Stanford, Luck's role will be over the head coach on the organization chart, and he'll work in concert with the coaching staff on personnel decisions.

 

 

[Pancho 45494]

Pittman staying at Arkansas per Brett McMurphy

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Just now, Pancho said:

Pittman staying at Arkansas per Brett McMurphy

Another year of facing Vegetables, Pittman and Fat Ass Elko?

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

The pending House settlement is allegedly causing many schools to balk at paying massive buyouts to make coaches go away. Those schools are instead funneling more money into NIL and hoping the current coach gets their shit together. 

Makes sense. Another downstream effect of NIL that people weren’t expecting. Probably a good thing. 

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I think a GM model is inevitable for every school because the turnover and money side has doubled the work of the Head Coach who already works 12 to 15 hour days or more. HC has the final say and can interject where appropriate, but there’s only so much time in a day.

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2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I think a GM model is inevitable for every school because the turnover and money side has doubled the work of the Head Coach who already works 12 to 15 hour days or more. HC has the final say and can interject where appropriate, but there’s only so much time in a day.

There are many GM roles in place, with admin support underneath them as well as scouting. They're just all generally reporting to the HC instead of having him report into them. There are pros and cons to that. Texas has a terrible GM in place and the HC and coaching staff are carrying a lot of water accordingly. If the HC sucks and the GM is a wizard, I am not sure it works for a program with the HC on top.

[cmontexas 3306]

Coaches have bigass egos and want to be the one who picks the groceries

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Pittman staying at Arkansas per Brett McMurphy

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1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

I get that it's his dream job, but the announcers in our game were talking about him having a very painful hip issue he's dealing with. Why not just sit in a suite, chop it up with the boosters, and eat barbecue instead of having a high stress job that involves a lot of moving around?

[DixonHur 11608]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Another year of facing Vegetables, Pittman and Fat Ass Elko?

Neither Pittman nor Elko has ever faced a vegetable

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7 minutes ago, texifornia said:

I get that it's his dream job, but the announcers in our game were talking about him having a very painful hip issue he's dealing with. Why not just sit in a suite, chop it up with the boosters, and eat barbecue instead of having a high stress job that involves a lot of moving around?

Maybe he likes showing off his cleavage on the sidelines. 

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54 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Texas has a terrible GM in place and the HC and coaching staff are carrying a lot of water accordingly. If the HC sucks and the GM is a wizard, I am not sure it works for a program with the HC on top.

 

Why the fuck has Texas screwed up this GM replacement???

[Katfid54 8642]

58 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Texas has a terrible GM in place and the HC and coaching staff are carrying a lot of water accordingly

My understand is that we thought about hiring Andrew Luck as GM.  But we decided not to, since we're hiring Garrett Gilbert as GM next year.

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

There are many GM roles in place, with admin support underneath them as well as scouting. They're just all generally reporting to the HC instead of having him report into them. There are pros and cons to that. Texas has a terrible GM in place and the HC and coaching staff are carrying a lot of water accordingly. If the HC sucks and the GM is a wizard, I am not sure it works for a program with the HC on top.

It probably depends on the sport- right?  Football the Head Coach is so important even at the NFL level they have the upper hand most of the time in that power dynamic and that makes sense.  Obviously you want alignment, but the head coach has to be final decision maker in 8 or 9 out of 10 successful scenarios- even more so in college football where there isn't a draft and personality matters in recruiting at least somewhat, at least as a tie breaker.  Baseball and hoops it's a lot more important your roster building (GM) than it is your coaching and scheming chops (coach). Those dudes with the whistle or the fungo are basically interchangeable for all but the top of the top.  I don't know that there is enough money in baseball or even basketball to add that in there so I would assume it stays with the coach/manager but yeah- those sports are 4 or 5 parts roster building to 1 part coaching- whereas football is probably 1/1.

[The Dog 44187]

Ryan Day's wikipedia page:

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25 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

It probably depends on the sport- right?  Football the Head Coach is so important even at the NFL level they have the upper hand most of the time in that power dynamic and that makes sense.  Obviously you want alignment, but the head coach has to be final decision maker in 8 or 9 out of 10 successful scenarios- even more so in college football where there isn't a draft and personality matters in recruiting at least somewhat, at least as a tie breaker.  Baseball and hoops it's a lot more important your roster building (GM) than it is your coaching and scheming chops (coach). Those dudes with the whistle or the fungo are basically interchangeable for all but the top of the top.  I don't know that there is enough money in baseball or even basketball to add that in there so I would assume it stays with the coach/manager but yeah- those sports are 4 or 5 parts roster building to 1 part coaching- whereas football is probably 1/1.

Ogden was being groomed to be the Assistant AD for BB, but I'm not sure if that's still the case or not. The role was going to be independent of the HC for hoops and function in many ways like a GM.

[Park Gothic 5140]

I would like to take Billy Glasscock back from Ole Miss. Brandon "Twitter Eyes" Harris is not getting it done. 

[Duane Moore 5366]

App State fires Shawn Clark

 

[cmontexas 3306]

1 hour ago, Katfid54 said:

My understand is that we thought about hiring Andrew Luck as GM.  But we decided not to, since we're hiring Garrett Gilbert as GM next year.

Does Steve Patterson have a kid?

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Just now, cmontexas said:

Does Steve Patterson have a kid?

[Jkwellborn 6881]

There’s no offset to his ATM contract. It would burn them up even more to know he’s getting paid good money by someone else every time they cut the annual check. 

Saw a tweet about how much Jimbo was being paid daily by the ags. Some ags response? Sorry for being poor. lol

[DixonHur 11608]

App State gonna be looking for a new HC

Appalachian State fires coach Shawn Clark after five seasons - ESPN

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1 hour ago, The Dog said:

Ryan Day's wikipedia page:

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15 hours ago, Hairy Biped said:

He interviewed twice at Tulane (on the down low) last year to replace Willie Fritz, who he replaced at Sam.  Some SHSU insiders I know thought he was gone then, because he seemed ready to move on from Huntsville.  I'm not surprised that he got offers after leading Sam to a bowl and a last second FG away from the CUSA championship game this year.  I just expected it to be a better landing spot than Temple.  But he gets to go home to Pennsylvania, I guess.  I agree with the idea that Sam has no real business being FBS and would probably still be rolling in FCS, but like all of the others, they're chasing those $$$.  Even with buys out and entry fees and such, they're pulling in a ton more money now than they were when they were playing for and winning championships in the FCS.

As mentioned, Keeler is from Pennsylvania and is also 65 years old.  Feels like a cush retirement job to keep collecting a check for a few more years with no pressure or expectation of winning anything.