CFB coaching carousel

[NCMountaineer 100]

17 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

Brown at WVU is out

let's be real, this move should have been made 2 years ago. Nicest coach ever but guy just can't seem to cut it at the power conference level.

[NCMountaineer 100]

14 hours ago, The Ace of Aces said:

Andy Kotelnicki is the front runner imo 

I'd be pleasantly surprised if this is the case, not saying it's not but the last couple power conference OC to HC moves we made turned out pretty good for the program even if the last one was kindof a choad that looked like Big Ern McCracken 

13 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Funny listening to some Wvu live chats...

Both Saban and Jimbo's names keep coming up in discussions along with Jamey Chadwell and Barry Odom.  😋

Jimbo's semi-realistic. Saban is the usual idiots being purely delusional. Chadwell is already being paid like a (lower tier) power conference HC with a much easier path to the playoff, can't see the admin paying up what's needed for him to jump (north of 7 per IMO). It'll be close to another half decade before I show up at another home game if it's Odom. You don't fire Neal Brown just to replace him with essentially a carbon copy and hope the fans will put up with it. I've also heard Dan Mullen floated but don't think he'd make the jump, especially if Wisconsin opens up as expected, and obviously Rich Rod is out there but after the way he left, just no IMO. 

Edited Monday at 03:10 PM by NCMountaineer

[closetojumping 63620]

16 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Unless tOSU panics and fires Ryan Day, this is the least interesting coaching carousel cycle I can remember. UNC, WVU, Purdue , and UCF are the biggest openings?  Maybe Pittman retires at Arkansas, but still a far cry from some of the major upheavals of the last few years. 

The pending House settlement is allegedly causing many schools to balk at paying massive buyouts to make coaches go away. Those schools are instead funneling more money into NIL and hoping the current coach gets their shit together. 

16 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

If Gundy is still at Okie Lite a week from now, I’ll be surprised he’s still breathing, let alone coaching there. My Okie cousins are ready for him to disappear one way or another.

I don’t know about all of history and one of the pedants on here will certainly point out some unknown from the annals of history if they can, but Gundy is easily the best coach at OSU for any of our lifetimes. Jimmy Johnson wasn’t there long enough and Gundy’s longevity is kind of crazy.  He’s still not super old. They’d be idiots to push him out.

The notion that someone else could come along and repeat his success, much less improve upon it, is frankly laughable. Okie State is historically a backwater program unless they’re paying out the nose to buy players. Now that everyone can buy players, good luck to them being competitive on that front. They should hang on to Gundy with white knuckles. 

13 hours ago, Blotto said:

If Jimbo went to WVU and got them into the playoffs in year 1, while aggy is still paying him like a top 5 coach....well that would be swell. 

I mean the odds are really, really low because he's a moron, but the universe does like to fuck with aggy.

Jimbo is a dumbass and did his best to tear two different programs down to the studs, but the guy can recruit. I don’t think Texas would have anything to worry about, but all programs on the east coast, eastern midwest and in the greater Philly/NJ area would have to start accounting for WVU with big time recruits. VT, PSU, UNC, Ohio State, UGa and Tennessee would all have a new headache to deal with in recruiting.  Also, Fisher is allegedly a very petty motherfucker. He’d likely go out of his way to fuck with ATM.  

10 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

He should sign a contract for $1 / year.

There’s no offset to his ATM contract. It would burn them up even more to know he’s getting paid good money by someone else every time they cut the annual check. 

['stache 21924]

8 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I don’t know about all of history and one of the pedants on here will certainly point out some unknown from the annals of history if they can, but Gundy is easily the best coach at OSU for any of our lifetimes. Jimmy Johnson wasn’t there long enough and Gundy’s longevity is kind of crazy.  He’s still not super old. They’d be idiots to push him out.

The notion that someone else could come along and repeat his success, much less improve upon it, is frankly laughable. Okie State is historically a backwater program unless they’re paying out the nose to buy players. Now that everyone can buy players, good luck to them being competitive on that front. They should hang on to Gundy with white knuckles. 

Our facilities are way better these days so we're not at that enormous disadvantage as in our past. Pat Jones has said on the radio that when they did oncampus visits with recruits they purposefully avoided the stadium. Everything else is correct, you don't force a guy out one year removed from a CCG appearance becasue of one bad season, the first losing season in 20 years. If they wanted to fire him it shouldn't be about the season but his off the cuff comments that keeps getting him in trouble. He's grumpy about it, as are a bunch of coaches at all levels, but has adapted to NIL and the portal like everyone else. When people go off aobut firing him I always remind them that the University of Texas, the bluest of the blue bloods with all the money in the world, went through a decade of medicrity through three bad coaching hires, why would anyone think we'd hit gold all of a sudden? If he goes the way of Mack Brown we might consider it after a few more bad years, but not this year, that's crazy. If he doesn't replace the coordinators though, I'll be pushed pretty far to the skeptics side, his biggest problem has been stubbornness with his assistant coaches. He made a comment at his last presser that programs that want to win are investing in the coaching staff, makes me wonder if he's pressuring the University for a bigger budget to hire coordiators. He made a dumbass comment last year when he hired Brian Nardo out of DIII as defensive coordinator that we "could afford him." If he's grumpy about anything these days its the same gripe he's been passive aggressivly been harping on for years, the coaching budget.

[TrashMaster G 17784]

15 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

There’s no offset to his ATM contract. It would burn them up even more to know he’s getting paid good money by someone else every time they cut the annual check. 

I understand that, but if he has a $1 salary it sends the message that a&m is paying him to coach West Virginia.

[Blotto 23755]

9 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

I understand that, but if he has a $1 salary it sends the message that a&m is paying him to coach West Virginia.

Still what kind of  cuck would accept a $1 coaching sal......I guess I can see your point.

Edited Monday at 04:17 PM by Blotto

[956 Worldwide 34994]

On 10/14/2024 at 7:43 AM, 956 Worldwide said:

At what point do we see some creative and hungry for winning university try a radical experiment with staffing and move to an NFL model in all but name. A general manager and staff take over NIL coordination, scouting, recruiting, portal shopping and just hire a coaching staff to take care of on the field aside from a few niceties like the formal in-home or campus visit? 
 

There is no more limit in on-the-field instruction and this seems like an experiment that has had its time come. Very few football coaches have the skill set to oversee the new system. 

Bumping my own post because we are seeing the first instance of something very similar to this at Stanford with Drew Luck.  What a super interesting place to try this out.  Stanford has plenty of draw and a rich donor base to tap into for NIL.  Luck comes from a sports management family and has been in NFL planning rooms.  He can bridge the gap between football guy, donors and money and is well placed to try and play money ball in the portal.  He will have a long leash and Stanford can only go up. Watch this space, I think it’s the ideal place to try this out. 
 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42698084/andrew-luck-stanford-gm-means-cardinal-college-football

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Former Stanford and Indianapolis Colts star Andrew Luck's hiring as the Cardinal's general manager for football looms as an intriguing move in the college football landscape for multiple reasons.

The job comes with a unique range, as Luck will manage aspects of both the football and business sides of the program. For football, Luck will oversee the coaching staff, player personnel staff, recruiting, roster management and student-athlete experience.

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The Cardinal's hiring of Luck marks an innovative turn in how football operations work. At Stanford, Luck's role will be over the head coach on the organization chart, and he'll work in concert with the coaching staff on personnel decisions.

 

 

[Pancho 45564]

Pittman staying at Arkansas per Brett McMurphy

[Js1 85913]

Just now, Pancho said:

Pittman staying at Arkansas per Brett McMurphy

Another year of facing Vegetables, Pittman and Fat Ass Elko?

[Duane Moore 5404]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

The pending House settlement is allegedly causing many schools to balk at paying massive buyouts to make coaches go away. Those schools are instead funneling more money into NIL and hoping the current coach gets their shit together. 

Makes sense. Another downstream effect of NIL that people weren’t expecting. Probably a good thing. 

['stache 21924]

I think a GM model is inevitable for every school because the turnover and money side has doubled the work of the Head Coach who already works 12 to 15 hour days or more. HC has the final say and can interject where appropriate, but there’s only so much time in a day.

[closetojumping 63620]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I think a GM model is inevitable for every school because the turnover and money side has doubled the work of the Head Coach who already works 12 to 15 hour days or more. HC has the final say and can interject where appropriate, but there’s only so much time in a day.

There are many GM roles in place, with admin support underneath them as well as scouting. They're just all generally reporting to the HC instead of having him report into them. There are pros and cons to that. Texas has a terrible GM in place and the HC and coaching staff are carrying a lot of water accordingly. If the HC sucks and the GM is a wizard, I am not sure it works for a program with the HC on top.

[cmontexas 3307]

Coaches have bigass egos and want to be the one who picks the groceries

[Beau Vine 55012]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Pittman staying at Arkansas per Brett McMurphy

[texifornia 57502]

1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

I get that it's his dream job, but the announcers in our game were talking about him having a very painful hip issue he's dealing with. Why not just sit in a suite, chop it up with the boosters, and eat barbecue instead of having a high stress job that involves a lot of moving around?

[DixonHur 11680]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Another year of facing Vegetables, Pittman and Fat Ass Elko?

Neither Pittman nor Elko has ever faced a vegetable

[DigglerontheHoof 21328]

7 minutes ago, texifornia said:

I get that it's his dream job, but the announcers in our game were talking about him having a very painful hip issue he's dealing with. Why not just sit in a suite, chop it up with the boosters, and eat barbecue instead of having a high stress job that involves a lot of moving around?

Maybe he likes showing off his cleavage on the sidelines. 

[LTtxfan 49454]

54 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Texas has a terrible GM in place and the HC and coaching staff are carrying a lot of water accordingly. If the HC sucks and the GM is a wizard, I am not sure it works for a program with the HC on top.

 

Why the fuck has Texas screwed up this GM replacement???

[Katfid54 8740]

58 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Texas has a terrible GM in place and the HC and coaching staff are carrying a lot of water accordingly

My understand is that we thought about hiring Andrew Luck as GM.  But we decided not to, since we're hiring Garrett Gilbert as GM next year.

[Wulaw Horn 19327]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

There are many GM roles in place, with admin support underneath them as well as scouting. They're just all generally reporting to the HC instead of having him report into them. There are pros and cons to that. Texas has a terrible GM in place and the HC and coaching staff are carrying a lot of water accordingly. If the HC sucks and the GM is a wizard, I am not sure it works for a program with the HC on top.

It probably depends on the sport- right?  Football the Head Coach is so important even at the NFL level they have the upper hand most of the time in that power dynamic and that makes sense.  Obviously you want alignment, but the head coach has to be final decision maker in 8 or 9 out of 10 successful scenarios- even more so in college football where there isn't a draft and personality matters in recruiting at least somewhat, at least as a tie breaker.  Baseball and hoops it's a lot more important your roster building (GM) than it is your coaching and scheming chops (coach). Those dudes with the whistle or the fungo are basically interchangeable for all but the top of the top.  I don't know that there is enough money in baseball or even basketball to add that in there so I would assume it stays with the coach/manager but yeah- those sports are 4 or 5 parts roster building to 1 part coaching- whereas football is probably 1/1.

[The Dog 44311]

Ryan Day's wikipedia page:

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25 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

It probably depends on the sport- right?  Football the Head Coach is so important even at the NFL level they have the upper hand most of the time in that power dynamic and that makes sense.  Obviously you want alignment, but the head coach has to be final decision maker in 8 or 9 out of 10 successful scenarios- even more so in college football where there isn't a draft and personality matters in recruiting at least somewhat, at least as a tie breaker.  Baseball and hoops it's a lot more important your roster building (GM) than it is your coaching and scheming chops (coach). Those dudes with the whistle or the fungo are basically interchangeable for all but the top of the top.  I don't know that there is enough money in baseball or even basketball to add that in there so I would assume it stays with the coach/manager but yeah- those sports are 4 or 5 parts roster building to 1 part coaching- whereas football is probably 1/1.

Ogden was being groomed to be the Assistant AD for BB, but I'm not sure if that's still the case or not. The role was going to be independent of the HC for hoops and function in many ways like a GM.

[Park Gothic 5183]

I would like to take Billy Glasscock back from Ole Miss. Brandon "Twitter Eyes" Harris is not getting it done. 

[Duane Moore 5404]

App State fires Shawn Clark

 

[cmontexas 3307]

1 hour ago, Katfid54 said:

My understand is that we thought about hiring Andrew Luck as GM.  But we decided not to, since we're hiring Garrett Gilbert as GM next year.

Does Steve Patterson have a kid?

[Js1 85913]

Just now, cmontexas said:

Does Steve Patterson have a kid?

[Jkwellborn 6896]

There’s no offset to his ATM contract. It would burn them up even more to know he’s getting paid good money by someone else every time they cut the annual check. 

Saw a tweet about how much Jimbo was being paid daily by the ags. Some ags response? Sorry for being poor. lol

[DixonHur 11680]

App State gonna be looking for a new HC

Appalachian State fires coach Shawn Clark after five seasons - ESPN

[Schulz2.0 29069]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

Ryan Day's wikipedia page:

[WBT 20776]

15 hours ago, Hairy Biped said:

He interviewed twice at Tulane (on the down low) last year to replace Willie Fritz, who he replaced at Sam.  Some SHSU insiders I know thought he was gone then, because he seemed ready to move on from Huntsville.  I'm not surprised that he got offers after leading Sam to a bowl and a last second FG away from the CUSA championship game this year.  I just expected it to be a better landing spot than Temple.  But he gets to go home to Pennsylvania, I guess.  I agree with the idea that Sam has no real business being FBS and would probably still be rolling in FCS, but like all of the others, they're chasing those $$$.  Even with buys out and entry fees and such, they're pulling in a ton more money now than they were when they were playing for and winning championships in the FCS.

As mentioned, Keeler is from Pennsylvania and is also 65 years old.  Feels like a cush retirement job to keep collecting a check for a few more years with no pressure or expectation of winning anything.

[orange dream 1267]

6 hours ago, 'stache said:

Our facilities are way better these days so we're not at that enormous disadvantage as in our past. Pat Jones has said on the radio that when they did oncampus visits with recruits they purposefully avoided the stadium. Everything else is correct, you don't force a guy out one year removed from a CCG appearance becasue of one bad season, the first losing season in 20 years. If they wanted to fire him it shouldn't be about the season but his off the cuff comments that keeps getting him in trouble. He's grumpy about it, as are a bunch of coaches at all levels, but has adapted to NIL and the portal like everyone else. When people go off aobut firing him I always remind them that the University of Texas, the bluest of the blue bloods with all the money in the world, went through a decade of medicrity through three bad coaching hires, why would anyone think we'd hit gold all of a sudden? If he goes the way of Mack Brown we might consider it after a few more bad years, but not this year, that's crazy. If he doesn't replace the coordinators though, I'll be pushed pretty far to the skeptics side, his biggest problem has been stubbornness with his assistant coaches. He made a comment at his last presser that programs that want to win are investing in the coaching staff, makes me wonder if he's pressuring the University for a bigger budget to hire coordiators. He made a dumbass comment last year when he hired Brian Nardo out of DIII as defensive coordinator that we "could afford him." If he's grumpy about anything these days its the same gripe he's been passive aggressivly been harping on for years, the coaching budget.

[956 Worldwide 34994]

3 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

It probably depends on the sport- right?  Football the Head Coach is so important even at the NFL level they have the upper hand most of the time in that power dynamic and that makes sense.  Obviously you want alignment, but the head coach has to be final decision maker in 8 or 9 out of 10 successful scenarios- even more so in college football where there isn't a draft and personality matters in recruiting at least somewhat, at least as a tie breaker.  Baseball and hoops it's a lot more important your roster building (GM) than it is your coaching and scheming chops (coach). Those dudes with the whistle or the fungo are basically interchangeable for all but the top of the top.  I don't know that there is enough money in baseball or even basketball to add that in there so I would assume it stays with the coach/manager but yeah- those sports are 4 or 5 parts roster building to 1 part coaching- whereas football is probably 1/1.

Is this the case anymore for CFB though? There are some programs where there almost is no salary cap, just a wish list. But the vast majority of places are in a completely different game.  Managing the pool of funds, shopping for talent/value balance in the portal, roster management, negotiating with players/recruits, tinkering with the ideal ratio of HS to portal….this looks a lot more like an NFL GM job where the Belicek model is rare.  

And its skill sets that are different from what a college coach has traditionally needed. The HC will be a voice in the room, but may no longer need to be the final one. 
 

The new thing Stanford is trying is unprecedented, to my knowledge.  The HC will be under him.  I think it’s an idea worth trying for sure and Stanford + Drew Luck is an intriguing place and way to do it. Luck is going to “run football,” not implement what the HC says like other college “GMs.” 
 

I am not saying it’s a guaranteed success, I just think it’s an idea that needs to be put into practice. 

[texifornia 57502]

 

1 hour ago, WBT said:

As mentioned, Keeler is from Pennsylvania and is also 65 years old.  Feels like a cush retirement job to keep collecting a check for a few more years with no pressure or expectation of winning anything.

There's rumors Temple isn't sure it's worth being an FBS program going forward. He'll competently kick the can a few years while they think about it.

[PittsburghTiger 6252]

10 minutes ago, texifornia said:

There's rumors Temple isn't sure it's worth being an FBS program going forward. He'll competently kick the can a few years while they think about it.

I think there are going to be more schools thinking about this for their future. Most schools are losing millions and now with N.I.L.

There is no way they can compete. I think this starts the push for a 72, or 84, super best friends conference.

[Wulaw Horn 19327]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Is this the case anymore for CFB though? There are some programs where there almost is no salary cap, just a wish list. But the vast majority of places are in a completely different game.  Managing the pool of funds, shopping for talent/value balance in the portal, roster management, negotiating with players/recruits, tinkering with the ideal ratio of HS to portal….this looks a lot more like an NFL GM job where the Belicek model is rare.  

And its skill sets that are different from what a college coach has traditionally needed. The HC will be a voice in the room, but may no longer need to be the final one. 
 

The new thing Stanford is trying is unprecedented, to my knowledge.  The HC will be under him.  I think it’s an idea worth trying for sure and Stanford + Drew Luck is an intriguing place and way to do it. Luck is going to “run football,” not implement what the HC says like other college “GMs.” 
 

I am not saying it’s a guaranteed success, I just think it’s an idea that needs to be put into practice. 

I see the argument. Some nfl models run that way too with the Gm above the coach in the scheme of things. 
I think the argument against at the college level is that the coach not only brings schemes but also is in charge (somewhat) of convincing guys to come there (money talks but coach matters too) so it’s hard to make him subservient to a back room guy, but sure- Stanford ought to try that. It certainly might work better for them than what they’ve been doing if they can’t go hire the next Jin Harbaugh or Bill Walsh. 

[texifornia 57502]

 

[texifornia 57502]

The crush the UAB admin has on Trent Dilfer is extremely silly

 

[LTtxfan 49454]

Jamey Chadwell in the running for UCF...

Neal Brown being considered at Appalachian State and might be in the mix at Charlotte.

 

[LTtxfan 49454]

Setting the scene for the Purdue Coaching Search

John Brice

One of the most disappointing stretches in modern history of Power Conference football now is over at Purdue.

The Boilermakers are officially seeking their next head coach, after parting ways Sunday with Ryan Walters, the promising defensive coordinator unable to translate that skill-set into head-coaching success.

Purdue has resources, solid history and facilities; a fan base that wants to win.

Who makes sense? Who can navigate the challenges at the school -- men's basketball is king; a natural recruiting base isn't overflowing with talent; the Big Ten is more arduous than ever -- to reclaim the consistent, very solid success of Jeff Brohm's tenure, and Joe Tiller some years before him?

Here's the latest that sources are sharing with FootballScoop:

Runner-up for the job the last time it was open, Tyson Helton is a legitimate contender once again to become a Power-Conference head coach.

Hindsight always is 20/20, but Helton is arguably Brohm 2.0, and he's a natural fit for the Boilermakers.

Additionally, sources tell FootballScoop that there already is internal support for Helton to helm the reins of the program.

A Gainesville, Florida, native who played collegiately at Houston, Helton is a perfect six-for-six in leading his Western Kentucky program into the postseason as the Hilltoppers head coach.

He was hired at WKU following a one-year stint as offensive coordinator for former Tennessee coach Jeremy Pruitt.

All Helton's done in his six seasons in Bowling Green, Kentucky, is win eight or more games in five of those six years to go along with four postseason victories in five appearances; the Toppers are awaiting their bowl bid for this season's eight-win campaign.

Ohio coach Tim Albin, a Midwest staple doing flat-out remarkable work atop the Bobcats program, is another name to watch -- if he isn't first hired by Charlotte.

As heir apparent to Frank Solich, Albin continues to make Ohio one of the Group of Five's most consistent winners -- and talent developers. His Bobcats roster has been raided via the NCAA Transfer Portal in recent years; they just keep winning.

Charles Huff is another potential fit for the Boilermakers; he's guiding Marshall in this week's Sun Belt Conference title-game and is the coveted choice for Southern Miss's current opening; they've had in-depth discussions.

Army coach Jeff Monken has the longest track record of potential Purdue candidates, and sources with direct knowledge tell FootballScoop that Monken has definite interest in the position.

Monken, a Peoria, Illinois, native whose family is synonymous with football in that state and across the Midwest, has Army with its third season of 10 or more wins since 2017; Monken also knows the rigors of being at a school with strong academics and some limitations in resources and recruiting.

"There's simply no question Jeff could find the right players and staff to make Purdue a consistent winner in the Big Ten," a source who's been in recent contact with Monken told FootballScoop Monday afternoon. "He has a plan."

If Purdue wants to tap into its more recent success, Brian Brohm is the current Louisville offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for his brother, Jeff. He's got obvious ties to the school, the region and a strong offensive acumen, which seems a key in this process for the Boilermakers following the dismal Walters experience.

UNLV head coach Barry Odom is potentially in line for a significant new role, and he's expected to be in the mix at North Carolina, as well as potentially at West Virginia and Purdue. He has UNLV one upset-win against Boise State from a landmark College Football Playoff appearance.

Three more coaches worth monitoring in the Purdue search are Liberty head coach Jamey Chadwell, Memphis head coach Ryan Silverfield and Missouri offensive coordinator Kirby Moore, who's expected to be a head coach much sooner than later after his strong work atop the Tigers's offense and after turning down the opportunity to hop to a more high-profile offensive play-caller role in last year's cycle.

 

[LTtxfan 49454]

21 hours ago, texifornia said:

 

Nebraska reportedly adding a top young SEC assistant to staff

Doug Samuels        5 hours ago

Daikiel Shorts and Dana Holgorsen previously worked together at Houston, and are now set to reunite.  According to multiple reports today, Shorts is set to leave Kentucky to join the Nebraska staff as receivers coach.

There, he reunites with Holgorsen, who just yesterday inked a two-year deal to call the Huskers offense for Matt Rhule at $1.2 million per year.

A former 30 Under 30 selection by the AFCA, Shorts spent the last season in Lexington working with the Wildcats receivers.

The two years prior, he worked under Dana Holgorsen in an on-field role working with the receivers, a role he was elevated to after two seasons as director of player development for the program.

Before joining the coaching ranks, Shorts played receiver for Holgorsen at West Virginia, where he was a team captain his senior season. He led the Mountaineers in receiving in three of his four seasons with the team.

 

[boilerhorn 1464]

Not sure if this is the best thread for it, but Dana Dimel died today, age 62.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42757313/dana-dimel-illinois-assistant-former-head-coach-dies-62

 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by boilerhorn

[Beau Vine 55012]

3 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

A former 30 Under 30 selection by the AFCA, Shorts spent the last season in Lexington working with the Wildcats receivers.

I honestly did not remember Kentucky having receivers...

[texifornia 57502]

 

Edited 4 hours ago by texifornia

[hornmpa96 2634]

On 12/1/2024 at 4:54 PM, boilerhorn said:

 

The right coaching staff (see Indiana) can turn around a perennial doormat rather quickly these days.  They lost Scourton (10 sacks in 2023) to aTm (6 tackles last night) and several other players to the likes of Aggy, Vandy, and MSU.  Deion Burks (top WR) left for OU.  To me that was a sign that Walters was in trouble: top players leaving.  It may be supporting your point of NIL, though, but we shall see.  A competent coaching staff gets at least 5 wins out of the roster there.  And a competent coaching staff also recruits better and builds a program.

 

Purdue’s total NIL budget for football was 400k. Unless they spend, they won’t be competitive and Walter’s didn’t have a chance to be successful there.

[boilerhorn 1464]

21 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

Purdue’s total NIL budget for football was 400k. Unless they spend, they won’t be competitive and Walter’s didn’t have a chance to be successful there.

I am pretty sure that Purdue NIL is not in the upper half of Big10 teams.  However, that is not what Walters said.  He said, "I would have taken a deeper dive into where we were from a collective standpoint. When I got the job, they were right around 400 grand."  He also stated that he did not know the state of the NIL collective, which I find very strange.  I know that Purdue merged its collective with the AD fundraising arm (John Purdue Club - JPC) very early and that it's not clear if JPC has its act together.

He inherited a team that had just played (and gotten whipped) in the Big10 championship game.  And many of the more interesting players had transferred before he arrived or were leaving for the NFL (4th round WR Charlie Jones, 4th round QB and occasional Raiders starter Aidan O'Connell, 5th round TE, 7th round CB, 7th round OLB).

Walters was in over his head from the outset: lots of outgoing players (NFL, transfers), some transfers, did not really understand the NIL situation, brutal schedule (#8 this year - UND, PSU, OSU, Oregon, Indiana), etc.  However, this year's team was uncompetitive.  The only P4 games they were remotely "in" were Michigan State, Northwestern, and Illinois.  They led Nebraska for a few mins in the 3rd quarter, but the 2nd half was uncompetitive.

That all said, I agree with the assertion that Purdue will be a perennial bottom dweller w/o an improvement in the NIL space.  Purdue has a large alumni base (#10, IIRC).  The most rabid support goes to basketball, as you might expect.  And, to my knowledge, there is not a high-profile billionaire who is willing to drop 1% of their net worth into sports - or at least no one who is willing to talk about it.

While behind many larger schools, alumni are stepping up on the academic side.  Commitments are up 51% in the past 4 years.  Philanthropic cash is up 71% over the past 4 years.  They'll drop $25mm to put their name on a building

I am cautiously optimistic, but also pragmatic.

[texifornia 57502]

Huge day for coaches with aggressively Eastern European last names

 

[Dennis Taylor 19100]

On 12/1/2024 at 1:02 PM, Laxtonto said:

 

Who knew Tech had a DC?

[TOR 5864]

6 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said:

Who knew Tech had a DC?

Everything goes through lubbock and out the other end.  Maybe elko can add him to the aggy staff.

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On 12/2/2024 at 11:02 AM, closetojumping said:

There are many GM roles in place, with admin support underneath them as well as scouting. They're just all generally reporting to the HC instead of having him report into them. There are pros and cons to that. Texas has a terrible GM in place and the HC and coaching staff are carrying a lot of water accordingly. If the HC sucks and the GM is a wizard, I am not sure it works for a program with the HC on top.

BYU just hired a GM for football. We hired one with the new mens basketball staff earlier this year. I know the bball GM reports to the HC. I think that's the same for football (HC announced it).

 

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19 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Setting the scene for the Purdue Coaching Search

John Brice

One of the most disappointing stretches in modern history of Power Conference football now is over at Purdue.

The Boilermakers are officially seeking their next head coach, after parting ways Sunday with Ryan Walters, the promising defensive coordinator unable to translate that skill-set into head-coaching success.

Purdue has resources, solid history and facilities; a fan base that wants to win.

Who makes sense? Who can navigate the challenges at the school -- men's basketball is king; a natural recruiting base isn't overflowing with talent; the Big Ten is more arduous than ever -- to reclaim the consistent, very solid success of Jeff Brohm's tenure, and Joe Tiller some years before him?

Here's the latest that sources are sharing with FootballScoop:

Runner-up for the job the last time it was open, Tyson Helton is a legitimate contender once again to become a Power-Conference head coach.

Hindsight always is 20/20, but Helton is arguably Brohm 2.0, and he's a natural fit for the Boilermakers.

Additionally, sources tell FootballScoop that there already is internal support for Helton to helm the reins of the program.

A Gainesville, Florida, native who played collegiately at Houston, Helton is a perfect six-for-six in leading his Western Kentucky program into the postseason as the Hilltoppers head coach.

He was hired at WKU following a one-year stint as offensive coordinator for former Tennessee coach Jeremy Pruitt.

All Helton's done in his six seasons in Bowling Green, Kentucky, is win eight or more games in five of those six years to go along with four postseason victories in five appearances; the Toppers are awaiting their bowl bid for this season's eight-win campaign.

Ohio coach Tim Albin, a Midwest staple doing flat-out remarkable work atop the Bobcats program, is another name to watch -- if he isn't first hired by Charlotte.

As heir apparent to Frank Solich, Albin continues to make Ohio one of the Group of Five's most consistent winners -- and talent developers. His Bobcats roster has been raided via the NCAA Transfer Portal in recent years; they just keep winning.

Charles Huff is another potential fit for the Boilermakers; he's guiding Marshall in this week's Sun Belt Conference title-game and is the coveted choice for Southern Miss's current opening; they've had in-depth discussions.

Army coach Jeff Monken has the longest track record of potential Purdue candidates, and sources with direct knowledge tell FootballScoop that Monken has definite interest in the position.

Monken, a Peoria, Illinois, native whose family is synonymous with football in that state and across the Midwest, has Army with its third season of 10 or more wins since 2017; Monken also knows the rigors of being at a school with strong academics and some limitations in resources and recruiting.

"There's simply no question Jeff could find the right players and staff to make Purdue a consistent winner in the Big Ten," a source who's been in recent contact with Monken told FootballScoop Monday afternoon. "He has a plan."

If Purdue wants to tap into its more recent success, Brian Brohm is the current Louisville offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for his brother, Jeff. He's got obvious ties to the school, the region and a strong offensive acumen, which seems a key in this process for the Boilermakers following the dismal Walters experience.

UNLV head coach Barry Odom is potentially in line for a significant new role, and he's expected to be in the mix at North Carolina, as well as potentially at West Virginia and Purdue. He has UNLV one upset-win against Boise State from a landmark College Football Playoff appearance.

Three more coaches worth monitoring in the Purdue search are Liberty head coach Jamey Chadwell, Memphis head coach Ryan Silverfield and Missouri offensive coordinator Kirby Moore, who's expected to be a head coach much sooner than later after his strong work atop the Tigers's offense and after turning down the opportunity to hop to a more high-profile offensive play-caller role in last year's cycle.

 

I hear Mack Brown is available