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  On 4/27/2019 at 1:37 AM, HenryJames said:

 

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In fighting at NRA.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/nras-wayne-lapierre-says-he-is-being-extorted-pressured-to-resign-11556314763

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  On 4/27/2019 at 1:50 PM, horncyclist said:

I think cause the government has F16s, tanks and actual assault rifles. Good luck keeping them in check.

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And the people that fly those are citizens; don’t be obtuse.  

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But LaPierre was upset that North wanted his role as President to be paid as well?

why do I guess that if a proper and open audit was performed, there would be many questionable activities and LaPierre could be looking at potential jail time.

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  On 4/27/2019 at 10:14 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

But LaPierre was upset that North wanted his role as President to be paid as well?

why do I guess that if a proper and open audit was performed, there would be many questionable activities and LaPierre could be looking at potential jail time.

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Is it illegal to embezzle Russian money intended for donation to Republican campaign funds?

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  On 4/28/2019 at 6:58 AM, WhatTheBuck said:
Is it illegal to embezzle Russian money intended for donation to Republican campaign funds?

It is illegal to embezzle foreign money intended for donation to Democratic campaign funds.

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/politics/trump-nra-investigation-new-york/index.html

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President Donald Trump on Monday accused the New York attorney general's office of illegally investigating the National Rifle Association and called on the group, which has been roiled by a leadership fight, to "get its act together quickly."

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Weird.  I wonder why the president would care about this so much?

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You have to guess that the NRA doesn't want much of their internal workings being subjected to public scrutiny. As an example, apparently Oliver North was paid via an outside firm that billed the NRA for their services.  Publicly it looks like North works for free as the NRA President while his real salary was indirectly coming from the NRA pocketbooks. You have to wonder how many other sweetheart deals are out there.

Many donors don't like it when they see their hard earned dollars going into the pockets of others. It can kill non-profiles or significantly hurt them. Wounded Warriors took a huge hit when it came out their leaders had excess spending on themselves and fired employees for speaking up about it. Wounded Warriors was smart to fire everyone involved.  NRA donors want to see their money going to supporting the 2A or promoting safe gun usage. Not buying LaPierre a jet or mansion.

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  On 4/29/2019 at 4:02 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

You have to guess that the NRA doesn't want much of their internal workings being subjected to public scrutiny. As an example, apparently Oliver North was paid via an outside firm that billed the NRA for their services.  Publicly it looks like North works for free as the NRA President while his real salary was indirectly coming from the NRA pocketbooks. You have to wonder how many other sweetheart deals are out there.

Many donors don't like it when they see their hard earned dollars going into the pockets of others. It can kill non-profiles or significantly hurt them. Wounded Warriors took a huge hit when it came out their leaders had excess spending on themselves and fired employees for speaking up about it. Wounded Warriors was smart to fire everyone involved.  NRA donors want to see their money going to supporting the 2A or promoting safe gun usage. Not buying LaPierre a jet or mansion.

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Many people don't want it to be discovered the NRA became a weaponized arm of the Kremlin to get Trump elected.  Look at where all their money was going.  It was going to their propaganda/media arm which was echoing the same shit coming out of Russia 24/7 and the cherry on top is Maria Butina running influence operations out in the open.  The only missing pieces are the banking and financial records which probably involve many shell companies and pass throughs. 

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As an ex-member, I got a call from these fuckers.  It wasn't 5 seconds into his script and started in about AOC was going to take our guns.

I let him finish and then asked him if people actually believe these scare tactics bullshit, he hung up on me.

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The other day I watched an entire episode of a show on the NFL Channel called 'Good Morning Football.'  It opened up my eyes and warmed me to the prospect of just handing over this government to a handful of ex-Soviets.  That program is a pretty good indicator that we might just be all done here.

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  On 4/29/2019 at 4:52 PM, Buck Strickland said:

As an ex-member, I got a call from these fuckers.  It wasn't 5 seconds into his script and started in about AOC was going to take our guns.

I let him finish and then asked him if people actually believe these scare tactics bullshit, he hung up on me.

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Wow, not even a half hearted attempt to overcome that?

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  On 4/29/2019 at 5:05 PM, YChang said:

Wow, not even a half hearted attempt to overcome that?

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It's not like call center agents are true believers. They're either paid by the hour so they could care less, or they are paid by the donation. In either way, they learn to quickly move onto the next # to call.

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  On 4/29/2019 at 6:43 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

It's not like call center agents are true believers. They're either paid by the hour so they could care less, or they are paid by the donation. In either way, they learn to quickly move onto the next # to call.

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Yep, yep. I meant that they didn't even bother giving them a script of some sort to use.

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  On 4/29/2019 at 6:57 PM, YChang said:

Yep, yep. I meant that they didn't even bother giving them a script of some sort to use.

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"Sir, are you just mindlessly reading from a script?"

"According to the script here, uh, no.  No I am not."

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  On 4/29/2019 at 4:52 PM, Buck Strickland said:

As an ex-member, I got a call from these fuckers.  It wasn't 5 seconds into his script and started in about AOC was going to take our guns.

I let him finish and then asked him if people actually believe these scare tactics bullshit, he hung up on me.

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I haven’t been a member in many years, since the 90s.  

They still spend a shitload sending me crap, trying to get me to come back.  

Land I’ve moved several times, and somehow they always find me.  

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  On 4/29/2019 at 4:02 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

You have to guess that the NRA doesn't want much of their internal workings being subjected to public scrutiny. As an example, apparently Oliver North was paid via an outside firm that billed the NRA for their services.  Publicly it looks like North works for free as the NRA President while his real salary was indirectly coming from the NRA pocketbooks. You have to wonder how many other sweetheart deals are out there.

Many donors don't like it when they see their hard earned dollars going into the pockets of others. It can kill non-profiles or significantly hurt them. Wounded Warriors took a huge hit when it came out their leaders had excess spending on themselves and fired employees for speaking up about it. Wounded Warriors was smart to fire everyone involved.  NRA donors want to see their money going to supporting the 2A or promoting safe gun usage. Not buying LaPierre a jet or mansion.

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read The New Yorker piece.  NRA is a sewer of corruption 

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  On 7/31/2018 at 8:30 PM, Brisketexan said:

Did it a long time ago.  For many of the reasons cited in the piece.

I've done more to foster hunting by actually taking newbies hunting, introducing them to a day in the field, etc., than by the NRA's fear-mongering bullshit does.  I've created several life-long hunters that way.

Gun shows, the NRA -- they went the way of the wingnuts a long time ago.

Russia bullshit aside.

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Exactly this.

Love my guns.  Love the lifestyle.

Wayne LaPierre and Co aren't anywhere near in that circle.  I still go to gunshows b/c that's where the deals are, but I can't stand the losers that congregate there anymore than I can stand whining pussies who start shivereing everytime they hear of or see an image of a firearm.

Put both groups on an island and nuke it from orbit.

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$97,000 in legal fees per day alone---$24 million total in the past year. Couldn't happen to a better bunch of folks.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/leaked-documents-nra-racked-up-dollar24-million-in-legal-bills-3?ref=home

 

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The NRA has racked up huge legal bills over the last year that threaten to debilitate the organization, according to documents posted anonymously online that appear to be written by the group’s ex-president Oliver North. The bills highlight the organization’s extraordinary legal challenges. A person close to the matter confirmed the authenticity of the documents to The Daily Beast. Stephen Gutowski of the Washington Free Beacon was the first reporter to flag the documents on Friday. 

Senior NRA officials disputed the documents’ claims but not their authenticity.

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The documents include a confidential memo that North and NRA official Richard Childress sent to the NRA’s general counsel and audit committee chairman, dated April 18, 2019—the week before North was dramatically deposed as NRA president. (The NRA suspended its board’s longtime lawyer at the same time.) In the memo, North claimed to be “deeply concerned about the extraordinary legal fees the NRA has incurred” from outside attorney Bill Brewer. North and Childress then called for an independent review of Brewer’s invoices. Brewer has defended his fees in the past, telling the Wall Street Journal, “We’re a premium law firm, we make no bones about that.”

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Lawyers for North did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Reached by phone, Childress declined to comment. 

“The Brewer invoices are draining NRA cash at mindboggling speed,” North and Childress wrote, adding that the fees “pose an existential threat to the financial stability of the NRA." 

“This is a fiscal emergency,” they continued, “yet we have been unable to get management to engage an outside, independent review to ensure these bills are necessary and reasonable.”

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The memo says Brewer charged the NRA $24,324,290 since they engaged him last year, and that some of that had been reimbursed as part of a settlement of litigation against an insurance company—leaving the NRA to pay $18.5 million.

North and Childress estimated that at the current rate, the NRA is racking up nearly $100,000 in legal bills every day—an eye-popping number. 

“$97,000+ a day is a stunning amount of money for any organization to pay,” they wrote. “It cries for an outside, independent review.”

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They also wrote that they made multiple requests for an outside review of the bills, including two of CEO Wayne LaPierre, who refused to order such an audit. 

“If the bills are reasonable and properly documented, why the refusal to conduct an independent review?” they wrote. 

They also said the Brewer firms’ engagement letter is “inconsistent with industry standards,” claimed the NRA doesn’t properly manage the firm’s work, questioned why the firm did not give the NRA a nonprofit discount, and claimed Brewer “personally” worked to stop an outside review.

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  On 4/29/2019 at 7:02 PM, Chooky said:

"Sir, are you just mindlessly reading from a script?"

"According to the script here, uh, no.  No I am not."

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