"it's time for hunters to leave the NRA"

[Hornius Emeritus 12420]

My model 1100 is 45 years old, looks brand new, and has never misfired ----- and I shoot a lot of hand-reloaded shells.  Of course, I seriously clean it up after every outing. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33844]

55 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

My model 1100 is 45 years old, looks brand new, and has never misfired ----- and I shoot a lot of hand-reloaded shells.  Of course, I seriously clean it up after every outing. 

it's people like you who *should* own firearms. doin' it right

[Pescado_Rojo 19332]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This. And I would add the Nylon 66, still the best gun I've ever owned or ever will. 

So true - granted it was the day before they get their shipment, but I was in my local academy last week and the ONLY rifle ammo on the shelf was.17HMR

I love the Nylon 66. My Mom has my grandfathers, and it's maybe the only thing I genuinely care about inheriting when she's gone. It's the Black/Stainless one. I had the Brown/blued barrel version, but right before I moved to Austin from Port Arthur, my house got robbed and they stole it. I'm still bitter 31 years later. Not a gun that was easy to break down and clean, but man, that thing was smooth as a sewing machine. 

[Chad Fuck 17569]

5 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I love the Nylon 66. My Mom has my grandfathers, and it's maybe the only thing I genuinely care about inheriting when she's gone. It's the Black/Stainless one. I had the Brown/blued barrel version, but right before I moved to Austin from Port Arthur, my house got robbed and they stole it. I'm still bitter 31 years later. Not a gun that was easy to break down and clean, but man, that thing was smooth as a sewing machine. 

My uncle has my grandpa's Nylon 66 - same black/stainless.  I'm sure neither of my cousins care about it a bit.  Maybe I should make my appreciation known...

[Bozo_Casanova 26296]

24 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I love the Nylon 66. My Mom has my grandfathers, and it's maybe the only thing I genuinely care about inheriting when she's gone. It's the Black/Stainless one. I had the Brown/blued barrel version, but right before I moved to Austin from Port Arthur, my house got robbed and they stole it. I'm still bitter 31 years later. Not a gun that was easy to break down and clean, but man, that thing was smooth as a sewing machine. 

Mine's a "Black Diamond." Black stock, blue/black barrel and receiver, and I've had it since 1983 (IIRC).

Gun abuse story follows:
I've never cleaned it once. Literally not ever. In about 1998-99, I put a trigger lock on it and stuck in in the back of a closet where it stayed until this March. Ridiculous, I know. In March I pulled it out, drilled the lock and took it with me out to my friend's land where I was going to mess around with a Mini-14 I had just acquired. I figured I'd see how it performed when I got done with the .223. Much to my chagrin, while I was shooting the Ruger, somebody (me) knocked over the box of .22LRs and spilled them into the dirt. 
I was in kind of a fuck it mood that day, and loaded these dirty shells straight into the the tube magazine over and over and wound up sending 150 rounds after some cans in rapid succession. The Remington cycled flawlessly and ejected the sand right along with the brass. 

\It's the opposite of today's gun culture. It's all purpose and no attitude or puffery. For what it is, it's a perfect firearm. 
 

Edited July 28, 2020 by Bozo_Casanova

[Brisketexan 104651]

3 hours ago, ryskey said:

My first 870 cost about $275, if I remember right.  Got it with money saved up in high school working at a gas station.  I think I put a couple thousand rounds through that thing over about 15 years.  Barbecue + too much booze makes some seriously corrosive sweat the next day, particularly during those hot September days at the start of dove season - the stock and pump looked like someone had poured acid on them.  Looked like shit at the end but still worked perfectly.  Gave it to a younger cousin.

So they seriously stopped making it?  That's like if Chick Fil A stopped selling chicken nuggets.

They still make it, but quality has gone downhill.  And definitely spend the extra money on an 870 Wingmaster as opposed to the clunky and heavy 870 Express.

That said, during college, I went with at least 3 buddies on their trip to buy an 870 Express, their first gun ever, so they could go hunting with me.

[kevwun 15659]

I had an express that had a synthetic stock and it kicked like a fucking mule because it was so light.  Finally got tired of that and got rid of it.

[immortal13 4059]

2 hours ago, kevwun said:

I had an express that had a synthetic stock and it kicked like a fucking mule because it was so light.  Finally got tired of that and got rid of it.

You sound like a pussy

[Brisketexan 104651]

2 hours ago, kevwun said:

I had an express that had a synthetic stock and it kicked like a fucking mule because it was so light.  Finally got tired of that and got rid of it.

Yeah, it was a young man's gun, IIRC.

[kevwun 15659]

40 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

You sound like a pussy

Meh, the Benelli semi-auto I replaced it with is a great shotgun.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

NY A.G. files lawsuit to dissolve the NRA 

 

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/899712823/new-york-attorney-general-moves-to-dissolve-the-nra-after-fraud-investigation

Quote

The Attorney General of New York took action today to dissolve the National Rifle Association, following an 18-month investigation that found evidence the powerful gun rights group is "fraught with fraud and abuse."

Attorney General Letitia James claims in a lawsuit filed Thursday that she found financial misconduct in the millions of dollars, and that it contributed to a loss of more than $64 million over a three year period.

The suit alleges that top NRA executives misused charitable funds for personal gain, awarded contracts to friends and family members, and provided contracts to former employees to ensure loyalty.

 

Edited August 6, 2020 by SmokeyTheBear

[SydneyCarton 47896]

Just now, SmokeyTheBear said:

NY A.G. files lawsuit to dissolve the NRA 

 

You're smiling? As far as I can tell, this is about the worst thing the Democrats could have possibly fucking done right now. It will be spun as an attack on your guns, it will galvanize a bunch of Rs who might have been willing to sit it out, and it's going to be framed as a direct attack on YOUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND OWN GUNS. 

Democrats can't stop shooting themselves in the dick.

 

[Jester 382]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

You're smiling? As far as I can tell, this is about the worst thing the Democrats could have possibly fucking done right now. It will be spun as an attack on your guns, it will galvanize a bunch of Rs who might have been willing to sit it out, and it's going to be framed as a direct attack on YOUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND OWN GUNS. 

Democrats can't stop shooting themselves in the dick.

 

Unfortunately, this.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You're smiling? As far as I can tell, this is about the worst thing the Democrats could have possibly fucking done right now. It will be spun as an attack on your guns, it will galvanize a bunch of Rs who might have been willing to sit it out, and it's going to be framed as a direct attack on YOUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND OWN GUNS. 

Democrats can't stop shooting themselves in the dick.

 

Maybe so. But justice should be done regardless of political issues. When we stop justice because of politics, we become the Trump administration. 

 

*also, hoping that this will open up if/where money was funneled from and/to within the NRA. Which could include the GOP and Trump officials. 

Edited August 6, 2020 by SmokeyTheBear

[SydneyCarton 47896]

Just now, SmokeyTheBear said:

Maybe so. But justice should be done regardless of political issues. When we stop justice because of politics, we become the Trump administration. 

Yeah. There's lots of ways to handle this. Do it all in February. Or don't threaten to dissolve the NRA and simply go after the guilty parties for criminal behavior. Even threaten to remove their non profit status. Don't fucking say "Dissolve the NRA."

[lemonlime 5503]

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You're smiling? As far as I can tell, this is about the worst thing the Democrats could have possibly fucking done right now. It will be spun as an attack on your guns, it will galvanize a bunch of Rs who might have been willing to sit it out, and it's going to be framed as a direct attack on YOUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND OWN GUNS. 

Democrats can't stop shooting themselves in the dick.

 

Maybe.  But the right is already whipping up its base with SECOND AMENDMENT!!! GUNS!!! EAGLE! FLAG!  JUDGES!!!!!  I'm not sure that presenting evidence that the NRA is engaged in fraud and is stealing from its members changes any votes that weren't already in the bag for them.

[Dnaguy 11777]

5 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/899712823/new-york-attorney-general-moves-to-dissolve-the-nra-after-fraud-investigation

The Attorney General of New York took action today to dissolve the National Rifle Association, following an 18-month investigation that found evidence the powerful gun rights group is "fraught with fraud and abuse."

Attorney General Letitia James claims in a lawsuit filed Thursday that she found financial misconduct in the millions of dollars, and that it contributed to a loss of more than $64 million over a three year period.

The suit alleges that top NRA executives misused charitable funds for personal gain, awarded contracts to friends and family members, and provided contracts to former employees to ensure loyalty.

 

So they were just the Trump organization with guns?

 

[DanRydell 799]

21 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You're smiling? As far as I can tell, this is about the worst thing the Democrats could have possibly fucking done right now. It will be spun as an attack on your guns, it will galvanize a bunch of Rs who might have been willing to sit it out, and it's going to be framed as a direct attack on YOUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND OWN GUNS. 

Democrats can't stop shooting themselves in the dick.

 

You think gun voters were going to otherwise sit this one out?

[Bartles 769]

16 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Maybe.  But the right is already whipping up its base with SECOND AMENDMENT!!! GUNS!!! EAGLE! FLAG!  JUDGES!!!!!  I'm not sure that presenting evidence that the NRA is engaged in fraud and is stealing from its members changes any votes that weren't already in the bag for them.

This is true, but I worry about Trump quickly spinning it into "Dems coming for your guns" all through the campaign. That resonates with low-info and bad-info swing state voters, who won't read a word about the actual lawsuit(s) but just hear the distorted message.

[SydneyCarton 47896]

1 minute ago, DanRydell said:

You think gun voters were going to otherwise sit this one out?

I think it as the Trump thread, but yes, I think there's a chunk of older R voters that were happy to sit this one out in the wake of Corona that will no longer do such. My Father in Law for one. 

[Gil Bang 25899]

2 minutes ago, DanRydell said:

You think gun voters were going to otherwise sit this one out?

So much this.  

 

The Armybrat's of the world were gonna show up for Trump anyway.   They are single-issue voters, and nothing is more important to them than their guns. 

[Bevo14 8275]

4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I think it as the Trump thread, but yes, I think there's a chunk of older R voters that were happy to sit this one out in the wake of Corona that will no longer do such. My Father in Law for one. 

Bleh. I don't think they actually were going to sit it out. They're just trying to avoid getting their shit put on blast again.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Bevo14

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

The NRA is so 2000 & late. All the cool kids now support the GOA.

['stache 21777]

Charlton Heston's been dead for 10 years now, I guess he's finally cold enough?

[kevwun 15659]

The NY AG is by all accounts pretty fucking sharp.  I think she understands the effect of this on national politics and that the reasons for going ahead with this now need to be good ones.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

Trump's only response was that the NRA needs to move to Texas. Not railing against the Dems or anything like that. 

Of course he may be tweeting at 2am that its time for the NRA patriots to rise up, but right now he is almost punting on it all. 

[StassneyHorn 6540]

Hit the message on fraud and how execs are getting rich taking advantage of smaller guys, and it will reinforce those who are already skeptical of this administration and everything else they touch. Don’t let the other side make it about guns, make it about corruption.

[kevwun 15659]

She is.  This is about wasting money on his wife's makeup and using 500k of NRA funds to take vacation trips to the Bahamas.  The big one is his 17 million dollar post retirement contract he made for himself without board approval.  He essentially set it up to give himself 17 million once he retired.

Edited August 6, 2020 by kevwun

[Ghost of LL 15493]

35 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Trump's only response was that the NRA needs to move to Texas. Not railing against the Dems or anything like that. 

Of course he may be tweeting at 2am that its time for the NRA patriots to rise up, but right now he is almost punting on it all. 

Has anybody come up with a good explanation as to why the NRA is organized in New York?

['stache 21777]

39 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Trump's only response was that the NRA needs to move to Texas. Not railing against the Dems or anything like that. 

Of course he may be tweeting at 2am that its time for the NRA patriots to rise up, but right now he is almost punting on it all. 

Aggy's gonna give him a library, aren't they. Right next to GHWB, but much bigger, the biggest, plated in gold, with a moat filled with "lib tears." 

[UpperWestside 6136]

8 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Has anybody come up with a good explanation as to why the NRA is organized in New York?

 Other than it being where the organization was first formed and where some of its earliest events took place around a 150 years ago I don't have much to offer here. 

[Dnaguy 11777]

43 minutes ago, kevwun said:

She is.  This is about wasting money on his wife's makeup and using 500k of NRA funds to take vacation trips to the Bahamas.  The big one is his 17 million dollar post retirement contract he made for himself without board approval.  He essentially set it up to give himself 17 million once he retired.

[Goredho 17349]

1 hour ago, DanRydell said:

You think gun voters were going to otherwise sit this one out?

I know gun owners that were ready to vote D who now are reconsidering.

[Ted Lange 16054]

 

 

[Hornius Emeritus 12420]

2 hours ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

NY A.G. files lawsuit to dissolve the NRA 

 

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/899712823/new-york-attorney-general-moves-to-dissolve-the-nra-after-fraud-investigation

 

Thoughts and prayers.

[WhatTheBuck 28716]

2 hours ago, Goredho said:

I know gun owners that were ready to vote D who now are reconsidering.

I question their sincerity. 

[kevwun 15659]

"The Democrats forced me to vote for Trump because of this" people were always going to vote for Trump.  It is one of the bigger crocks of shit about this voters.  They're always going to find that excuse.  It's how they rationalize voting for him.

Edited August 6, 2020 by kevwun

[Bozo_Casanova 26296]

6 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I question their sincerity. 

I know people like that too. Quite a lot of people care about more about this issue than anything else. A lot of those people hate Trump, but if they perceive that Republican control is the only thing maintaining the second amendment (which is a message the GOP has promoted very successfully for years), they will hold their noses and vote for Trump. 

[Bevo14 8275]

2 minutes ago, kevwun said:

"The Democrats forced me to vote for Trump because of this" people were always going to vote for Trump.  It is one of the bigger crocks of shit about this voters.  They're always going to find that excuse.  It's how they rationalize voting for him.

Yeah. The 2016 election should've been the lesson that these people are full of shit. That 40% has to show up somewhere.

[kevwun 15659]

This won't even be news by the time the covid spike from school openings hits us like a train in October.

Edited August 6, 2020 by kevwun

[The Royal We 3066]

Obama didn't take away the guns, but Biden is going to do it this time, honest!  You're gullible af if you fall for that bs.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I question their sincerity. 

I question their sanity, but they're on the uptick to recovery...

[WhatTheBuck 28716]

5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I know people like that too. Quite a lot of people care about more about this issue than anything else. A lot of those people hate Trump, but if they perceive that Republican control is the only thing maintaining the second amendment (which is a message the GOP has promoted very successfully for years), they will hold their noses and vote for Trump. 

That's probably why they were never actually going to vote for Biden. 

[hayden_horn 11360]

6 minutes ago, kevwun said:

"The Democrats forced me to vote for Trump because of this" people were always going to vote for Trump.  It is one of the bigger crocks of shit about this voters.  They're always going to find that excuse.  It's how they rationalize voting for him.

it's primarily because they are the type of voter who need a democratic bogeyman to vote rather than a candidate to vote for.

believe me, i should know, i'm the anti-republican voter now myself. biden does not excite me at all, except for the fact that he is not trump.

[Goredho 17349]

14 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I question their sincerity. 

 

5 minutes ago, kevwun said:

"The Democrats forced me to vote for Trump because of this" people were always going to vote for Trump.  It is one of the bigger crocks of shit about this voters.  They're always going to find that excuse.  It's how they rationalize voting for him.

These are reasonable assumptions that will apply to many.  They do not apply the two people I am referencing who are members of my family that I know extremely well.  If I had to guess, they will still vote democrat and are having a knee jerk reaction to the headlines.

[Longhornfan1024 1707]

2 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

Obama didn't take away the guns, but Biden is going to do it this time, honest!  You're gullible af if you fall for that bs.

Yeah, the people who actually believe Democrats can or will overturn the Second Amendment are just fucking morons. 

And as for this case, the people we put in power can either choose to uphold the law or look the other way.  If the evidence truly shows what they say it shows (I don't doubt it), then this needed to be done.  If so-called law abiding Republicans choose to vote for Trump over Biden because a state AG who happens to be a Democrat chose to enforce the law against the NRA, then those Republicans are full of shit when they talk about adherence to the law.  

[Biff Tannen 45500]

11 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I know people like that too. Quite a lot of people care about more about this issue than anything else. A lot of those people hate Trump, but if they perceive that Republican control is the only thing maintaining the second amendment (which is a message the GOP has promoted very successfully for years), they will hold their noses and vote for Trump. 

In all honesty, what is it that makes them cling to guns so much?  Is it just straight fear of the world?  Probably for another thread.

[The Royal We 3066]

4 minutes ago, Longhornfan1024 said:

If so-called law abiding Republicans choose to vote for Trump over Biden because a state AG who happens to be a Democrat chose to enforce the law against the NRA, then those Republicans are full of shit when they talk about adherence to the law.  

Exactly.  LAW AND ORDER (only for those who don't support my views)

[Doc Sam Beckett 5784]

I can't wait to apply for the position of gun confiscator in Biden's God hating administration. I'll be sporting a huge boner as I rip guns from people's hands. Nobody wants to rape you old man, now gimme that gun! 

[UpperWestside 6136]

15 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

In all honesty, what is it that makes them cling to guns so much?  Is it just straight fear of the world?  Probably for another thread.

Let me help you here. It’s the fear of black and brown people. Gotta have the full arsenal ready for the coming race war.