So, apparently Greg Swindell is a dumbshit

[Gatorubet 29764]

6 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Covid lol

Why can’t we have a legitimate discussion about Soros putting nano bots in our brains?

[David Dennison 17800]

58 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

For my life, D’s have been better, pretty convincingly.  Hell, due to dumb policies they are usually unintentionally better for my industry.  But I feel a lot better when the $$ is being wasted on military than flushing it down the toilet, investing in trash.   

Like what? The middle class?

[troph 24028]

I heard a USA chant so what’s next? We don’t say God Bless America? Oh wait that happened too. Oopsies. 

[Brian Fantana 6618]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

My absolute favorite part about the CR is there’s ~10 posters who don’t get offended or are actually proud being called a Democratic voter, but hundreds that vote lock fucking step but don’t want to be associated with them by name.  Me?  No way, I’m not a Democrat, pretty far from it. I just don’t believe in borders, encourage late term abortion, and should working middle class white families really be afforded a comfortable lifestyle they’ve worked for?  Bout time those oppressors paid some reparations, imo.  Props to Dennison, BT, and most of the surl gay mafia for being true to themselves.  

You're against borders? How progressive of you!

[F250 28525]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

My absolute favorite part about the CR is there’s ~10 posters who don’t get offended or are actually proud being called a Democratic voter, but hundreds that vote lock fucking step but don’t want to be associated with them by name.  Me?  No way, I’m not a Democrat, pretty far from it. I just don’t believe in borders, encourage late term abortion, and should working middle class white families really be afforded a comfortable lifestyle they’ve worked for?  Bout time those oppressors paid some reparations, imo.  Props to Dennison, BT, and most of the surl gay mafia for being true to themselves.  

[Biff Tannen 45209]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

And the bolded is some pretty insane shit.

Yeah. That’s why he’s on ignore. He’s a deplorable piece of shit human being. I tried a lot of times to give him the benefit of the doubt and he kept doubling and tripling down. Full on magat piece of shit. 

[tchookem 3895]

Lol!!! Crybaby, snowflake, traitor lover swindle blocked me. 

No screenshot?

[HOOKEM4 4948]

1 hour ago, HOOKEM4 said:

This is an interesting response. What was unintentional about their policies? I wish you would post in the moderated thread about why you are excited to vote for Trump. I honest to God want to understand if your views are unwavering or if you are just on a team but confused. What you say doesn't seem to align with your truths you post or any truths. At some level you have to reconcile the truths. I did so i could look myself in the eye every morning and tell myself i am a serious person.  We are in a safe space. To be clear, idgaf if you are not on my side. I am just trying to understand the psyche of someone voting for Trump.

@fattyflattiemaybe you missed this?

Maybe @Anastasiswants to opine? I see you posting all over the place. I am truly interested. 

[tchookem 3895]

Your old account got 600 down votes in this thread? Who the fuck were you? And, again, how many socks do you have?

I'm wondering why a grown man with an ounce of dignity would want to come back.

[achooloco 963]

28 minutes ago, tchookem said:

9 hours ago, achooloco said:

Lol!!! Crybaby, snowflake, traitor lover swindle blocked me. 

No screenshot?

Nah don’t want to get doxxed. Still funny tho 

[fattyflattie 4633]

51 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

@fattyflattiemaybe you missed this?

Maybe @Anastasiswants to opine? I see you posting all over the place. I am truly interested. 

Nah just out doings kids sports things.  Your question was why I would vote for trump? I’m not, D’s have this one wrapped up, and the less R engagement from TX this go around may cause them to spend harder here going forward.  Iirc, your other question was why would I want trump to win? Easy. Status quo is considerably better for me than the silly shit the D’s often occupy themselves with. But in the end, I realized in ‘20 that overall, I’m pretty much unaffected.  

[Js1 83619]

12 hours ago, troph said:

I heard a USA chant so what’s next? We don’t say God Bless America? Oh wait that happened too. Oopsies. 

Don't ask him about it because he'd probably just respond he's not going to watch that communist socialist libtard shit.  And then respond when you ask him how he knows they didn't chant USA "well Fox said so" 

[gernblansten 3159]

16 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Best Derka post ever?

[crash_davis 23054]

The RNC had Hulk fucking Hogan speak on the last night. That's who they thought would resonate with their party--a washed up, roided, fake tough guy, performer who reeks of toxic masculinity to inspire stupid jocks who grew up into magats.  That says all you need to know about the base. 

A dipshit speaking to his peers. 

[Gatorubet 29764]

14 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Me?  No way, I’m not a Democrat, pretty far from it. I just don’t believe in borders, encourage late term abortion,

Nobody “encourages” late term abortions.  quit spewing lies.

[Gatorubet 29764]

11 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

.  Iirc, your other question was why would I want trump to win? Easy. Status quo is considerably better for me than the silly shit the D’s often occupy themselves with. But in the end, I realized in ‘20 that overall, I’m pretty much unaffected.  

Why should you care about anyone else but fattyflattie? If you did, you wouldn’t still be a Republican.

[YChang 3394]

Y'all need to learn to just leave fatty alone on this stuff. I try to assume positive about nearly everyone on this board. And I still like to think Fatty is likely a decent human being in real life. I'm sure at a tailgate I would enjoy a beer with him and talk about football and crap like that. But he's made it pretty clear that at least his Surly persona is he gives no fucks about society and community other than his own immediate family. So why bother anymore engaging on anything of relevance about that anymore? 

Edited August 22 by YChang

[Nivek 16688]

13 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

For my life, D’s have been better, pretty convincingly.  Hell, due to dumb policies they are usually unintentionally better for my industry.  But I feel a lot better when the $$ is being wasted on military than flushing it down the toilet, investing in trash.   

You are just not a serious person on here most of the time.  There are glimpses when you let your guard down and you actually become a decent poster but most of the time you choose a facade.   You know there are not serious people pushing late term abortions.  You know the actual wealth distribution charts and how it has changed over the course of our lifetimes where the elites have done extremely well, and the middle class has been hammered and shrunk.  And you know the reason for this isn't two cars and flat screens.  You jest about open borders, but you know who killed the border bill.   Republicans.  Because they don't care about the country, more than appealing to their messiah (to borrow from Tahoe Horn).   Locally, we see what has been done to our school districts in Texas, and I have shared my experiences on another thread including how we got here with citations when I was trying to understand it more. 

When you refer to investing in trash, well what are we supposed to do with it?  We need sanitation facilities, and we need environmental protections in order to secure clean air-water-soil for people to live on.   And there are missteps.  MTBE was great for helping to reduce air pollution emissions, but it came with an expense of being very water soluble and contaminating groundwater supplies.   But this is why we need scientists and engineers and serious people in charge and not just some fucking attorney or dipshit rich-guy who lacks any background making uninformed decisions.  We need expertise, not people whose qualities are they sweat less on TV,  are taller, or have better hair/tits than the next candidate.   I really hope the trash you are talking about is not Ukraine.  People who were attacked and brutalized without provocation by Trump's friend.  Who America has decided to support in their efforts to fight back against violent authoritarian regime.   Interestingly enough, every past president of our lifetimes would have supported Ukraine.  

Switching gears to another comment: I never doubted Mitt Romney was a decent person who would investigate issues and find solutions rather than come up with solutions first.  He would have been the best republican president of my lifetime had he been elected.  But remember Romney voted to impeach Trump and the Cult of Trump took issue with it.  Y'all ran off Cheney's daughter.  Y'all ran off the serious people of your own party.  Y'all elected a man whose cabinet of 'the best people' referred to him as a "fucking moron" or otherwise became residents of the penitentiary.   Only you can clean your own house.  

But this is probably wasted depending on which version of you shows up.  

 

 

[Js1 83619]

Oh look another back and forth with fatty

[Red Five 40449]

21 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Nobody “encourages” late term abortions.  quit spewing lies.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone here say that borders shouldn't exist, either. 

[Nivek 16688]

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

 

3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I don't think I've ever heard anyone here say that borders shouldn't exist, either. 

borders shouldn't exist, either. 

You did!  Checkmate lib!

[royiv 9045]

33 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Nobody “encourages” late term abortions.  quit spewing lies.

It’s post birth abortions now. You must not have received the memo.

[Brian Fantana 6618]

13 minutes ago, Nivek said:

When you refer to investing in trash

He means browns, gays, and poors.

[wildcat09 28562]

38 minutes ago, YChang said:

Y'all need to learn to just leave fatty alone on this stuff. I try to assume positive about nearly everyone on this board. And I still like to think Fatty is likely a decent human being in real life. I'm sure at a tailgate I would enjoy a beer with him and talk about football and crap like that. But he's made it pretty clear that at least his Surly persona is he gives no fucks about society and community other than his own immediate family. So why bother anymore engaging on anything of relevance about that anymore? 

I mean, you'd like to think so, but we're talking about a guy who trolls the school shooting thread for lulz. 

[atomheartbevo 89044]

25 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I don't think I've ever heard anyone here say that borders shouldn't exist, either. 

The last time I heard somebody really push open borders was Rick Perry in August of 2001.

[naija 2804]

On 8/21/2024 at 9:43 AM, royiv said:

It always amazes me how white football players can play a sport where more than half of the players at the highest level are black and openly be the worst MAGAT. Arch and Quinn openly supporting a racist POS seems like it would make for some awkward interactions with teammates.

I sometimes think White folks who consider themselves "liberal" or quite inclusive, have a big blindspot on how these interactions actually work. What the above doesn't consider is how normal and blasé, this is to Black folks.  The currency to be indignant and have a zero tolerance policy for interacting with either MAGA or hard-core conservatives, exists only on the social media hyperspace for most Black people. Do you really believe Black families have some mental fog about the political leanings of say Nick Saban, or even more obviously Mike Gundy? And yet, players have committed to them and will continue to do so. The players are quite well aware of Quinn or Arch, or Nick Bosa. But if you are Black, and work in some spaces, you will just to know how to have real, true relationships with these people and at the same time not be under any illusions of where they stand. I hesitate to use the word, "learn", because you don't learn it; it's just the way things are. People are complex. Peyton Manning likely voted Republican (and gives money to HBCUs). Brady has done a good job of dialing it back lately, but we know what his relationship with Trump is. You would be hard pressed to find two other players that would be as comfortably welcomed onto say a Black (the Pivot) Sports Podcast, or cutting it up with Black athletes as those two. You think Dawn Staley doesn't know or understand that part of Brady?

But this isn't something special to athletics. If you are a Black lawyer, or doctor, or accountant, or engineer, or any other sort of professional, you could easily point to colleagues from work that are actual friends, that voted for Trump and are gearing up to do so again. Two of my mentors fit that to a tee. Yet, I have no hesitation about calling them for advice on cases/patients, or work issues, or career moves etc. I know they don't consider me inferior or would sabotage me, and yet there is no guessing on their votes for this election. If that seems hard to square, I don't know what to tell you. I'm just telling you, as a Black person, there is nothing out of the ordinary "interacting" with such people. 

[cactusflinthead 27230]

15 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

investing in trash.   

Just say you don't give a shit if poor kids are hungry. The last time you said something like this you wanted some evidence that it works. You got it. We, as a nation, get more out of the dollars spent on poor people that you call trash than other subsidies. 

At least you aren't pretending to give a shit this time. 

Is that how you think about the people that work for you? Random ass waitress, plumber, garbage man? Trash. They are trash and their kids are trash and they can subsist on the crumbs that fall off my table or they can die.

Don't ever call yourself a Christian. 

 

[Underdog 28229]

2 hours ago, crash_davis said:

The RNC had Hulk fucking Hogan speak on the last night. That's who they thought would resonate with their party--a washed up, roided, fake tough guy, performer who reeks of toxic masculinity to inspire stupid jocks who grew up into magats.  That says all you need to know about the base. 

A dipshit speaking to his peers. 

Hulk Hogan or Dan Bongina? 

[fattyflattie 4633]

36 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I mean, you'd like to think so, but we're talking about a guy who trolls the school shooting thread for lulz. 

receipts or nah?

10 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Don't ever call yourself a Christian.

Not going to have to worry about that. 

47 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

He means browns, gays, and poors.

I don't care what color or sexual preference people have.  

1 hour ago, Nivek said:

You are just not a serious person on here most of the time. 

Not a serious person?  Your president just put in a justice that cant define woman.  Fuck out of here if you want to discuss serious.

[G650 13334]

23 minutes ago, naija said:

political leanings of say Nick Saban

What. Saban is pretty well known to be a Democrat.

[naija 2804]

4 minutes ago, G650 said:

What. Saban is pretty well known to be a Democrat.

People have been guessing at that. I know the Alabama Democratic party has wished at one point he would run. He is smart enough to never actually have said. In his more recent years, he has not been a fan of policies that would land on the left side of things. If you want to argue about Saban, you can substitute someone else for him. There are no shortage of conservative coaches who have well known views, for whom it doesn't appear to be an albatross when recruiting/coaching Black players.

[G650 13334]

Just now, naija said:

People have been guessing at that. I know the Alabama Democratic party has wished at one point he would run. He is smart enough to never actually have said. In his more recent years, he has not been a fan of policies that would land on the left side of things. If you want to argue about Saban, you can substitute someone else for him. There are no shortage of conservative coaches who have well known views, for whom it doesn't appear to be an albatross when recruiting/coaching Black players.

I'm not arguing your greater point, but that stuck out

[naija 2804]

3 minutes ago, G650 said:

I'm not arguing your greater point, but that stuck out

Fair enough. A better example could have been used.

[royiv 9045]

37 minutes ago, naija said:

I sometimes think White folks who consider themselves "liberal" or quite inclusive, have a big blindspot on how these interactions actually work. What the above doesn't consider is how normal and blasé, this is to Black folks.  The currency to be indignant and have a zero tolerance policy for interacting with either MAGA or hard-core conservatives, exists only on the social media hyperspace for most Black people. Do you really believe Black families have some mental fog about the political leanings of say Nick Saban, or even more obviously Mike Gundy? And yet, players have committed to them and will continue to do so. The players are quite well aware of Quinn or Arch, or Nick Bosa. But if you are Black, and work in some spaces, you will just to know how to have real, true relationships with these people and at the same time not be under any illusions of where they stand. I hesitate to use the word, "learn", because you don't learn it; it's just the way things are. People are complex. Peyton Manning likely voted Republican (and gives money to HBCUs). Brady has done a good job of dialing it back lately, but we know what his relationship with Trump is. You would be hard pressed to find two other players that would be as comfortably welcomed onto say a Black (the Pivot) Sports Podcast, or cutting it up with Black athletes as those two. You think Dawn Staley doesn't know or understand that part of Brady?

But this isn't something special to athletics. If you are a Black lawyer, or doctor, or accountant, or engineer, or any other sort of professional, you could easily point to colleagues from work that are actual friends, that voted for Trump and are gearing up to do so again. Two of my mentors fit that to a tee. Yet, I have no hesitation about calling them for advice on cases/patients, or work issues, or career moves etc. I know they don't consider me inferior or would sabotage me, and yet there is no guessing on their votes for this election. If that seems hard to square, I don't know what to tell you. I'm just telling you, as a Black person, there is nothing out of the ordinary "interacting" with such people. 

Great post. Thanks for sharing your perspective. To clarify, I was coming at it from the perspective of the white players interacting with their black teammates, not the other way around. In my more advanced age and maturity, I look at it from a different lens than I probably would have 25 years ago.

As @C-Man pointed out yesterday, a lot of us had perspectives when we were young and dumb that we cringe at now. I hope that’s where some of the athletes of the younger generation are at now and don’t end up with brain rot like Swindell, Street, Clemens, et al. In my middle age now, I can’t imagine standing in front of a black teammate that I call my brother and try to even think about justifying a vote for a person that wants to take away rights and make life harder for people who don’t look like me. That’s just reprehensible in my mind, but I have the benefit of life experience.

FWIW, in case you didn’t know and I misunderstood part of your post, Saban is a Dem and has been very supportive of the John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

[naija 2804]

4 minutes ago, royiv said:

Great post. Thanks for sharing your perspective. To clarify, I was coming at it from the perspective of the white players interacting with their black teammates, not the other way around. In my more advanced age and maturity, I look at it from a different lens than I probably would have 25 years ago.

As @C-Man pointed out yesterday, a lot of us had perspectives when we were young and dumb that we cringe at now. I hope that’s where some of the athletes of the younger generation are at now and don’t end up with brain rot like Swindell, Street, Clemens, et al. In my middle age now, I can’t imagine standing in front of a black teammate that I call my brother and try to even think about justifying a vote for a person that wants to take away rights and make life harder for people who don’t look like me. That’s just reprehensible in my mind, but I have the benefit of life experience.

FWIW, in case you didn’t know and I misunderstood part of your post, Saban is a Dem and has been very supportive of the John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

I don't think many/most of the normal, regular people who will vote for Trump think of it that way. And yes, Brisket, I do think those people exist. If we are being honest, you can find "conservative" ideas within the current Republican platform, that if you were a decades old Republican, that isn't a racist, that you could hold your nose, and be fine with voting for Trump. I think you would have to willfully ignore many other issues of moral injury, and perhaps you look around, and to you, Black people are better off today than they were 30 years ago, (which is objectively true in some domains), and you think to yourself, the cries of racism are hysterical and are not credulous. You could also argue, these are people who choosing not to be single-issue voters. The catch, is how we all consider how important that single issue is to us on a personal level. You can see this in how I treat people who won't vote Democrat because of Israel/Gaza. While I concede that it's an important issue, I don't think it should torpedo everything else that comes with voting for Harris. If this comes off as a "both-sides" argument then I'm not doing a good job explaining myself, but part of me thinks that when my friend from Palestine gets into me about voting Democrat, there is a good case to be made that I've simply decided it won't be the defining issue of my vote, and I have to think, that for some of my friends I described above, this thing about racism and rights, probably tracks the same way. 

[Pam Cummings 9423]

1 hour ago, Nivek said:

You are just not a serious person on here most of the time.  There are glimpses when you let your guard down and you actually become a decent poster but most of the time you choose a facade.   You know there are not serious people pushing late term abortions.  You know the actual wealth distribution charts and how it has changed over the course of our lifetimes where the elites have done extremely well, and the middle class has been hammered and shrunk.  And you know the reason for this isn't two cars and flat screens.  You jest about open borders, but you know who killed the border bill.   Republicans.  Because they don't care about the country, more than appealing to their messiah (to borrow from Tahoe Horn).   Locally, we see what has been done to our school districts in Texas, and I have shared my experiences on another thread including how we got here with citations when I was trying to understand it more. 

When you refer to investing in trash, well what are we supposed to do with it?  We need sanitation facilities, and we need environmental protections in order to secure clean air-water-soil for people to live on.   And there are missteps.  MTBE was great for helping to reduce air pollution emissions, but it came with an expense of being very water soluble and contaminating groundwater supplies.   But this is why we need scientists and engineers and serious people in charge and not just some fucking attorney or dipshit rich-guy who lacks any background making uninformed decisions.  We need expertise, not people whose qualities are they sweat less on TV,  are taller, or have better hair/tits than the next candidate.   I really hope the trash you are talking about is not Ukraine.  People who were attacked and brutalized without provocation by Trump's friend.  Who America has decided to support in their efforts to fight back against violent authoritarian regime.   Interestingly enough, every past president of our lifetimes would have supported Ukraine.  

Switching gears to another comment: I never doubted Mitt Romney was a decent person who would investigate issues and find solutions rather than come up with solutions first.  He would have been the best republican president of my lifetime had he been elected.  But remember Romney voted to impeach Trump and the Cult of Trump took issue with it.  Y'all ran off Cheney's daughter.  Y'all ran off the serious people of your own party.  Y'all elected a man whose cabinet of 'the best people' referred to him as a "fucking moron" or otherwise became residents of the penitentiary.   Only you can clean your own house.  

But this is probably wasted depending on which version of you shows up.  

 

 

You can't give actual effort into educating these people. They will read your whole post of detailed nuanced shit and just respond with a gif, or some "gotcha" line that sums up their simple ass way of thinking. They are beyond hopeless.

[Guadaloopy 10802]

40 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Don't ever call yourself a Christian. 

This is a pretty lazy rhetorical trick.  

Some Christians can simultaneously hold the position that it is good to take care of those in need along with the position that our Government is ill-suited to the task and is at best inefficient with the resources it receives. 

Some Christians can simultaneously hold the position that everyone should bear a level of personal responsibility to care for their neighbors and community along with the position that this personal responsibility should not be diffused to the government nor mandated under the force of government penalty.

Some Christians can simultaneously hold the position that we all have a personal responsibility to care for or neighbor along with the position that the best way to exercise that personal responsibility is to vote for government policies that might be able to have a greater impact at scale than they could personally have on an individual level.

These are not unreasonable positions to hold in tension with one another.

I appreciate people like Talarico who challenge traditional conservative political positions with the teachings of Christ.  However, I think it goes too far into partisan politics and cheap rhetoric when anyone says that "You can't be a Christian and vote for/against issue X".  I feel the same for those who use this exact rhetoric for pro-life positions.  

It's just so disheartening that our political discourse in this country has been reduced to gotcha sound bites and memes to "own" the other side.

[Brian Fantana 6618]

Lulz

[Gene Parmesan 3953]

2 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

Just say you don't give a shit if poor kids are hungry. The last time you said something like this you wanted some evidence that it works. You got it. We, as a nation, get more out of the dollars spent on poor people that you call trash than other subsidies. 

At least you aren't pretending to give a shit this time. 

Is that how you think about the people that work for you? Random ass waitress, plumber, garbage man? Trash. They are trash and their kids are trash and they can subsist on the crumbs that fall off my table or they can die.

Don't ever call yourself a Christian. 

 

I don't know about garbage man, but if you've ever needed actual plumbing work, you know they get their pound of meat when they hand you that bill.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21765]

Based on my experience, all Houston plumbers are as big of crooks as Trump.

[cactusflinthead 27230]

1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

This is a pretty lazy rhetorical trick.  

It's really pretty simple. Since this is OT. I can rope in another Abrahamic religion. I'd be willing to bet that I can find the same concept in other religions as well.

New International Version
Whoever mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished.

New Living Translation
Those who mock the poor insult their Maker; those who rejoice at the misfortune of others will be punished.

English Standard Version
Whoever mocks the poor insults his Maker; he who is glad at calamity will not go unpunished.

Berean Standard Bible
He who mocks the poor insults their Maker; whoever gloats over calamity will not go unpunished.

 

No matter how you want to translate it, the least common denominator is half a sentence. 

Of course it can be used as a rhetorical device to dismiss entirely the remainder of another's opinions. You can't be Christian and believe this or that is most often used by the right to exclude the left. I'll use it here because I was fucking pissed off. It's been thrown in my face so many times felt good to hit back. 

In his case he readily admits to not being Christian and therefore not beholden to abide by any of those ideas. Atheist? 

Well, there are shitty atheists like there are shitty Christians, and the same applies to everyone else. I could qualify it with your a shitty Christian if you call poor people trash and value buying bombs over funding daycare, lunch, and after school programs or any of the other projects that directly impact poor trashy people. 

I was ready to reply to fatty earlier and I came really fucking close to adding him to the ignore bin. But, I didn't and now I'm called to defend my statement. Fine. Got dragged back in. 

 

[cactusflinthead 27230]

34 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

I don't know about garbage man, but if you've ever needed actual plumbing work, you know they get their pound of meat when they hand you that bill.

Oh yeah I have. Mechanic ain't cheap either. 

But, they were trash humans to fatty. That poor kid that didn't have breakfast better find a job hauling 5 gallon buckets of mud out of the hole. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19262]

1 hour ago, Pam Cummings said:

You can't give actual effort into educating these people. They will read your whole post of detailed nuanced shit and just respond with a gif, or some "gotcha" line that sums up their simple ass way of thinking. They are beyond hopeless.

"If you're explaining, you're losing - Abraham Lincoln" -- Michael Scott

[Foosters 17638]

1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

This is a pretty lazy rhetorical trick.  

Some Christians can simultaneously hold the position that it is good to take care of those in need along with the position that our Government is ill-suited to the task and is at best inefficient with the resources it receives. 

Some Christians can simultaneously hold the position that everyone should bear a level of personal responsibility to care for their neighbors and community along with the position that this personal responsibility should not be diffused to the government nor mandated under the force of government penalty.

Some Christians can simultaneously hold the position that we all have a personal responsibility to care for or neighbor along with the position that the best way to exercise that personal responsibility is to vote for government policies that might be able to have a greater impact at scale than they could personally have on an individual level.

These are not unreasonable positions to hold in tension with one another.

I appreciate people like Talarico who challenge traditional conservative political positions with the teachings of Christ.  However, I think it goes too far into partisan politics and cheap rhetoric when anyone says that "You can't be a Christian and vote for/against issue X".  I feel the same for those who use this exact rhetoric for pro-life positions.  

It's just so disheartening that our political discourse in this country has been reduced to gotcha sound bites and memes to "own" the other side.

Imagine writing all of this just to defend the guy who trolls libs in the school shooting thread

[TheRealRonWeaver? 1258]

On 8/21/2024 at 1:33 PM, Helobious said:

I played baseball & football in high school, was the best player at both too. Everyone crying about baseball players being stupid douchebags are probably the same guys who I stole girlfriends from back in the day. 

[Gourmand 7761]

3 hours ago, Nivek said:

You are just not a serious person on here most of the time.  There are glimpses when you let your guard down and you actually become a decent poster but most of the time you choose a facade.   You know there are not serious people pushing late term abortions.  You know the actual wealth distribution charts and how it has changed over the course of our lifetimes where the elites have done extremely well, and the middle class has been hammered and shrunk.  And you know the reason for this isn't two cars and flat screens.  You jest about open borders, but you know who killed the border bill.   Republicans.  Because they don't care about the country, more than appealing to their messiah (to borrow from Tahoe Horn).   Locally, we see what has been done to our school districts in Texas, and I have shared my experiences on another thread including how we got here with citations when I was trying to understand it more. 

When you refer to investing in trash, well what are we supposed to do with it?  We need sanitation facilities, and we need environmental protections in order to secure clean air-water-soil for people to live on.   And there are missteps.  MTBE was great for helping to reduce air pollution emissions, but it came with an expense of being very water soluble and contaminating groundwater supplies.   But this is why we need scientists and engineers and serious people in charge and not just some fucking attorney or dipshit rich-guy who lacks any background making uninformed decisions.  We need expertise, not people whose qualities are they sweat less on TV,  are taller, or have better hair/tits than the next candidate.   I really hope the trash you are talking about is not Ukraine.  People who were attacked and brutalized without provocation by Trump's friend.  Who America has decided to support in their efforts to fight back against violent authoritarian regime.   Interestingly enough, every past president of our lifetimes would have supported Ukraine.  

Switching gears to another comment: I never doubted Mitt Romney was a decent person who would investigate issues and find solutions rather than come up with solutions first.  He would have been the best republican president of my lifetime had he been elected.  But remember Romney voted to impeach Trump and the Cult of Trump took issue with it.  Y'all ran off Cheney's daughter.  Y'all ran off the serious people of your own party.  Y'all elected a man whose cabinet of 'the best people' referred to him as a "fucking moron" or otherwise became residents of the penitentiary.   Only you can clean your own house.  

But this is probably wasted depending on which version of you shows up.  

 

 

[Guadaloopy 10802]

6 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Imagine writing all of this just to defend the guy who trolls libs in the school shooting thread

100% not defending that individual.  Just taking issue with a particular rhetorical tactic.

[TheRealRonWeaver? 1258]

18 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Yep. Funny the dems that don’t mind being dems feel the R’s have been terrible since jumpstreet, and we are paying the dues from them now.  Can’t really be both of the problem is “these days”.  

Are you a native English speaker? I am, and I can't tell what you just said. Maybe rephrase it? Thanks.

[Nivek 16688]

3 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Not a serious person?  Your president just put in a justice that cant define woman.  Fuck out of here if you want to discuss serious.

Welp, I tried.   Can you define what a woman is? 

[hobbes2702 12535]

19 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

My absolute favorite part about the CR is there’s ~10 posters who don’t get offended or are actually proud being called a Democratic voter, but hundreds that vote lock fucking step but don’t want to be associated with them by name.  Me?  No way, I’m not a Democrat, pretty far from it. I just don’t believe in borders, encourage late term abortion, and should working middle class white families really be afforded a comfortable lifestyle they’ve worked for?  Bout time those oppressors paid some reparations, imo.  Props to Dennison, BT, and most of the surl gay mafia for being true to themselves.  

None of those positions are positions of democrats lol. Someone who thinks them would certainly not be a party member. What are you talking about?