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  On 8/17/2018 at 3:02 PM, rickyspub said:

I took that to mean that GD was admitting that he didn't actually coach VY. Everything positive accomplished once they 'took the reigns off' was all VY and GD just sat there eating his animal crackers.

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I sweater gawd that one day I will review the 2005 season to chart just how often our offense was VY totally and completely improvising ok the field. That happens everywhere, but the extent to which that offense relied on Vince scrambling cannnot be understated. 

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  On 8/17/2018 at 3:15 PM, Bobby_Batronic said:

I sweater gawd that one day I will review the 2005 season to chart just how often our offense was VY totally and completely improvising ok the field. That happens everywhere, but the extent to which that offense relied on Vince scrambling cannnot be understated. 

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I have a feeling it won't be as often as you think it is

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  On 8/17/2018 at 2:59 PM, Thiefery said:

So Bobby Burton didn't have anything against Charlie?  LOL, I'll never forget Twitter burning once he and Jeff Howe were saying Charlie low balled Gilbert in terms of money so HE could pocket the rest ...

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Don't ever recall reading that. 

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First it was DJ.  Then it was Daje.  Last year, CJ.

Who will be this year's offensive disappearing act?  The talented youngster who shows a load of skill, causes jaws to drop, cheers of excitement and wonder and then POOF!  He disappears from the field, rarely to be seen again for the rest of the season. 

The causes of disappearance vary, depending on who's reporting it or repeating the tall tales of the mysterious disappearing wunderkind.  Some say it's punishment for off-field wrongdoing, failing to remember plays and assignments.  Others chalk it up to good old fashioned coaching malfeasance.

But one thing is for near certain: There will be a disappearance.  The only question now is who...

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  On 8/17/2018 at 3:15 PM, Bobby_Batronic said:

I sweater gawd that one day I will review the 2005 season to chart just how often our offense was VY totally and completely improvising ok the field. That happens everywhere, but the extent to which that offense relied on Vince scrambling cannnot be understated. 

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Actually Vince did not run that much in 2005. He really only lit it up in two games: against Oklahoma State and USC.

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  On 8/17/2018 at 4:53 PM, Ben Ficus said:

First it was DJ.  Then it was Daje.  Last year, CJ.

Who will be this year's offensive disappearing act?  The talented youngster who shows a load of skill, causes jaws to drop, cheers of excitement and wonder and then POOF!  He disappears from the field, rarely to be seen again for the rest of the season. 

The causes of disappearance vary, depending on who's reporting it or repeating the tall tales of the mysterious disappearing wunderkind.  Some say it's punishment for off-field wrongdoing, failing to remember plays and assignments.  Others chalk it up to good old fashioned coaching malfeasance.

But one thing is for near certain: There will be a disappearance.  The only question now is who...

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Why would trends carry over between coaching staffs? That makes no sense.

Or are you saying this is something that happens in College Football generally?

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  On 8/17/2018 at 5:00 PM, Valmy77 said:

Actually Vince did not run that much in 2005. He really only lit it up in two games: against Oklahoma State and USC.

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Uh, he ran the ball 12 fewer times  for 29 fewer yards and 2 less TD’s than he did in 2004. And he accumulated the majority of those yards in three games versus 4 in 2004. 

Its not just about totals. Volume is one thing. Frequency, meaning how often did he get us out of a jam by just moving the chains is another. Or how often did he scramble around on a pass play and hit and uncovered receiver is another.

 

And lastly, significance can’t be overstated. As in it’s 4th down inside the opponent’s 10 yard line, time is running out, your trying for the go ahead TD in the MNC game and the OC’s call is....”repeat play” after having just thrown an incompletion into triple coverage. 

Look, improv happens for every school, and every OC looks better when it’s pulled off. I get that. But I would submit that Vince saved GD’s bacon repeatedly by Vince Younging more than people remember. Again, I need to go chart it one day, because stat lines don’t spell it out. 

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  On 8/17/2018 at 3:15 PM, Bobby_Batronic said:

I sweater gawd that one day I will review the 2005 season to chart just how often our offense was VY totally and completely improvising ok the field. That happens everywhere, but the extent to which that offense relied on Vince scrambling cannnot be understated. 

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Lettuce know when you do 

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  On 8/17/2018 at 5:17 PM, Ghost of Shag said:

I was hoping for better news on Okafor.  

If we don't put him at tackle, amazing to think he's not a better option than one of the starting guards listed.  

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We had some good discussion about him here:

I just don't see him as a true tackle. He can get us through a game if the worst happens, but we're in big trouble if he's a full time starter at RT.

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  On 8/17/2018 at 2:20 PM, Huckleberry said:

Is what he really said much better? Did Beathard really have a chance to be the best he ever coached? I mean maybe if you think it was possible for the guy to add 3 inches, increase his speed by an order of magnitude, his agility by two orders of magnitude, his field vision, and his playmaking ability a thousand percent.

Let's keep in mind that Beathard went on to rush for NEGATIVE THIRTEEN YARDS his senior season. Oh, and Young was a better passer, too.

 

 

 

 

 

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yes, talking about how your current QB that is playing for you right now has a chance to be the best he has ever coached is much better/different than saying he is the best he has ever coached.

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  On 8/17/2018 at 3:15 PM, Bobby_Batronic said:

I sweater gawd that one day I will review the 2005 season to chart just how often our offense was VY totally and completely improvising ok the field. That happens everywhere, but the extent to which that offense relied on Vince scrambling cannnot be understated. 

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To his credit (and, keep in mind, this is pretty much the only thing I'll credit him with), Davis more or less eventually realized that. He talked about breaking down film with Vince, and asking VY what he would call on 4th & 5 with the game on the line. "QB Draw" quoth Young. Davis told him, no, we're calling a pass. If the run is there, we both know you're going to take it anyway.

Blind squirrel, meet your one and only golden acorn.

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  On 8/17/2018 at 5:14 PM, Bobby_Batronic said:

Uh, he ran the ball 12 fewer times  for 29 fewer yards and 2 less TD’s than he did in 2004. And he accumulated the majority of those yards in three games versus 4 in 2004. 

Its not just about totals. Volume is one thing. Frequency, meaning how often did he get us out of a jam by just moving the chains is another. Or how often did he scramble around on a pass play and hit and uncovered receiver is another.

 

And lastly, significance can’t be overstated. As in it’s 4th down inside the opponent’s 10 yard line, time is running out, your trying for the go ahead TD in the MNC game and the OC’s call is....”repeat play” after having just thrown an incompletion into triple coverage. 

Look, improv happens for every school, and every OC looks better when it’s pulled off. I get that. But I would submit that Vince saved GD’s bacon repeatedly by Vince Younging more than people remember. Again, I need to go chart it one day, because stat lines don’t spell it out. 

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Repeat? Wasn’t the last play called with the option to have VY run if nothing was there? Now, Vince didn’t look very hard for a WR that last play but it was still an option lol

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  On 8/17/2018 at 5:53 PM, BERT said:

Repeat? Wasn’t the last play called with the option to have VY run if nothing was there? Now, Vince didn’t look very hard for a WR that last play but it was still an option lol

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So like every pass play ever called in VY's career?

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  On 8/17/2018 at 6:16 PM, Red Five said:

Yeah he did that for PJ Locke last year and then Locke came out looking like he was point shaving.

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PJ also was coming off a hernia surgery. Not that I'm super high on him at the nickel this year, but I do think he'll be decent.

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  On 8/17/2018 at 5:53 PM, BERT said:

Repeat? Wasn’t the last play called with the option to have VY run if nothing was there? Now, Vince didn’t look very hard for a WR that last play but it was still an option lol

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Walden answered your question. It was the exact same play. Now, there’s some validity to that given that the defense will probably have a different call. There’s also the fact that any scouting of our offense would reveal that tendency. 

  On 8/17/2018 at 5:34 PM, Walden Ponderer said:

To his credit (and, keep in mind, this is pretty much the only thing I'll credit him with), Davis more or less eventually realized that. He talked about breaking down film with Vince, and asking VY what he would call on 4th & 5 with the game on the line. "QB Draw" quoth Young. Davis told him, no, we're calling a pass. If the run is there, we both know you're going to take it anyway.

Blind squirrel, meet your one and only golden acorn.

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Must be nice to have that get out of jail free card in your back pocket as a playcaller. 

And I’ll credit GD here with this. The growth exhibited by young as a passer and in defensive recognition  is a star in his crown. My complaint isn’t with his preparation of his charges or usually even his scripting. It’s when he’s left to own devices to call plays.

Meh, two more weeks and we’ll have something more substantial than second hand practice reports to fight over. 

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