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18 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

The theory behind a 12-team playoff was that it would ensure any team that was left out really had no shot.

And here we are, arguing about the Top 12 instead of the Top 4, with more permutations, more complications, and more uncertainty.  Yay.

Heck, the basketball tournament has 68 teams and everyone clutches their pearls over the "first four out" who have no shot at winning the tournament.

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I'd rather stay behind Georgia until they come to Austin.  Same way I felt about being behind SC in 05.  I'd rather have something to prove than something to defend.

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I mean its fun to talk about, but lets not act like being 13 in the rankings is equivalent to being 3 in the old BCS or 5 in most recent version. Nobody will be taking about grave injustices as soon as the games start being played. 

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7 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Deserve got nothing to do with it. If you didn't win your conference, or you aren't undefeated, CFP is a privilege not a right.

Well yes, but before it was possible to win your conference and be undefeated and not be in the CFP. Not to name any names or anything.

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36 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Well yes, but before it was possible to win your conference and be undefeated and not be in the CFP. Not to name any names or anything.

That's why I love the 12-team CFP. It ends those debates, and it ends the era of national titles having asterisks.

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right now, an old-fashioned conference call is taking place.....

it might be on zoom or teams.....

or just voices only, who knows

but the final points of contention are being hashed out as i type

this is the most complex advance manipulation of scenarios ever attempted

even last year, the committee only needed to pre-cook for 3 or 4 outcomes that mattered

now they have 7-8 if-then-else scenarios to model just for who gets in

and for each of those scenarios how do they backwards-engineer from next week's potential rankings without looking like fools this week

i suspect we are going to see some weirdness tonight needed to enable multiple if-then-else scenarios to remain viable

i could see us dropping to 4th and georgia moving up to 5th because reasons

i could also see us jump oregon

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2 hours ago, Fico said:

I mean its fun to talk about, but lets not act like being 13 in the rankings is equivalent to being 3 in the old BCS or 5 in most recent version. Nobody will be taking about grave injustices as soon as the games start being played. 

It's not exactly apples to apples. Would anybody be really surprised to see a #13 Bama beat any of the other teams in the field? They would be favored against most of them on a neutral field.

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17 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

It's not exactly apples to apples. Would anybody be really surprised to see a #13 Bama beat any of the other teams in the field? They would be favored against most of them on a neutral field.

Yes there are a few teams that I would be surprised if Bama beat. Namely us and Oregon. I kind of like ND too but would like to see them prove it. But to your point, certainly not everyone in front of them. 

I don't think that's going to be the case every season, though. Last year 9-3 LSU was the last team out and beat one ranked team all season. Bama and FSU (CFP 4 and 5) both whipped them. 

The OU win over Texas was the only major upset (if you want to call it that - it was about a TD game and OU finished 10th in the final CFP) of any team in the top SEVEN. There were just four losses among those teams and three of them also came from teams in the top 7: Texas over Bama, Michigan over tOSU and Alabama over UGA. 

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21 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

It's not exactly apples to apples. Would anybody be really surprised to see a #13 Bama beat any of the other teams in the field? They would be favored against most of them on a neutral field.

If they were fortunate to make it in, it also wouldn’t surprise me to see them lose to a “lesser” team early, like they did multiple times this season.

At some point you are what you are team/record wise, and they got beat by several not “great” teams this year. 

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Alabama jumps up to #11, ahead of Miami at #12. Sickening.

Of course Ole Miss stays at #13, and ESPN explains it away as them having a "bad Florida loss". But zero mention of Alabama’s losses, instead they handwave it away with "oh, everyone in this cluster has some bad losses, but look at Alabama’s wins!!1!"

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Alabama jumps up to #11, ahead of Miami at #12. Sickening.

Of course Ole Miss stays at #13, and ESPN explains it away as them having a "bad Florida loss". But zero mention of Alabama’s losses, instead they handwoven it away with "oh, everyone in this cluster has some bad losses, but look at Alabama’s wins!!1!"

I have no problem with Miami getting left out.   

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2 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

An immediate 3rd Texas Georgia game is regarded. I hope the committee just reseeds this shit Sunday. They can make up any excuse to justify it.

The losers of UO/Penn and UT/UG will get shuffled around some.

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I hope the committee just reseeds this shit Sunday. They can make up any excuse to justify it.

I’d have zero problems with it. I’d assume it’s unprecedented, but it could make for some very interesting game planning
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If they'd beaten Bama they wouldn't have to worry about it.  Head to head matters but, yeah, Scar has been the better team the last month of the season. 

Twas the LSU game they got robbed. Badly 

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A few takeaways from this:

If SMU beats Clemson, Bama is almost definitely the 11 seed. Not a fun matchup for the 6 seed. If Clemson wins, it's SMU vs Bama for that final spot.

tOSU isn't getting the 5 seed. If Texas loses and Oregon wins, it'll be between us and ND. No idea what the committee would do there. If they pick ND, then there's still a chance tOSU gets the 6 and UT 7, although I think that would be unlikely. Interestingly, 7 seed vs Indiana would be easier than 6 vs Bama although 2nd round tougher at 7 seed.

Of course, it is HIGHLY likely that there will be upsets this weekend which shakes up all these assumptions. Almost every CCG is a near pick em.

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So, the Buckeyes get a fucking home game. Awesome. 
also- if the sec ends up with 3 teams (they won’t I bet it’s 4) because SMU loses, the reason it will be is because they absolutely horsefucked USCe in the game with LSU. Maybe they shouldn’t orchestrate ref fuckery and let the games play themselves out. 

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18 minutes ago, Gaffords said:

I have no problem with Miami getting left out.   

Then Ole Miss should be ahead of Alabama. 

Alabama’s bragworthy wins are Georgia and SCar. Ole Miss stomped both by bigger margins. And all three of their losses are by just one possession. They never suffered a beatdown like Alabama did against blOU.

The committee is claiming good wins are more important than bad losses to put Alabama ahead of Miami. Then they're claiming bad losses are more important than good wins to keep Alabama ahead of Ole Miss.

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Yeah that terrible bama loss to blOU should have eliminated the tide's chances to be in the playoffs.

Just ridiculous... 😬

Committee to SoCar: next time, beat Bama and lose to Miss St, we’d forgive that loss 

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Oh, and the fact that Duke isn't ranked is 1) a travesty, and 2) a deliberate decision by the committee to weaken Miami's resume so they can say the Hurricanes have no ranked wins and elevate Alabama above them. Note that the committee has always made sure to keep Missouri in the rankings as a ranked win for Alabama.

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1 minute ago, satyanash said:

Oh, and the fact that Duke isn't ranked is 1) a travesty, and 2) a deliberate decision by the committee to weaken Miami's resume so they can say the Hurricanes have no ranked wins and elevate Alabama above them. Note that the committee has always made sure to keep Missouri in the rankings as a ranked win for Alabama.

SMU beat Duke as well. 

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6 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Note that the committee has always made sure to keep Missouri in the rankings as a ranked win for Alabama.

Yep. Still makes no sense why they hover in the last 5-6 spots. They fucking suck

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2 minutes ago, taybo20 said:

Texas/Uga 3 would be something 

I've said it a couple of times I'm fairly certain they will shuffle the deck based on B1G & SEC CG results. The only teams that can match up for a 3rd time this season is UT & UGA and so I fully expect the loser of the SEC CG to get a home game in round 1 but be on the opposite side of the bracket to where we can only play them again if we both make the final.

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12 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Oh, and the fact that Duke isn't ranked is 1) a travesty, and 2) a deliberate decision by the committee to weaken Miami's resume so they can say the Hurricanes have no ranked wins and elevate Alabama above them. Note that the committee has always made sure to keep Missouri in the rankings as a ranked win for Alabama.

Would be a ranked road win for SMU too 🤷‍♂️

Same thing with Louisville. One of those choads on the desk is like WELL SMU DOESN'T HAVE ONE RANKED WIN!

Okay but we beat AP #26 and AP #27 both on the road. Sorry we didn't hit the arbitrary #25 cutoff. 

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Would be a ranked road win for SMU too 🤷‍♂️

Same thing with Louisville. One of those choads on the desk is like WELL SMU DOESN'T HAVE ONE RANKED WIN!

Okay but we beat AP #26 and AP #27 both on the road. Sorry we didn't hit the arbitrary #25 cutoff. 

Hate that metric.

they were ranked at the time. The L to your team knocked them out of the rankings lol

Just like Texas’ win over aggy. That was a ranked win - we knocked them out of the top 25

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Would be a ranked road win for SMU too 🤷‍♂️

Same thing with Louisville. One of those choads on the desk is like WELL SMU DOESN'T HAVE ONE RANKED WIN!

Okay but we beat AP #26 and AP #27 both on the road. Sorry we didn't hit the arbitrary #25 cutoff. 

 

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49 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Alabama jumps up to #11, ahead of Miami at #12. Sickening.

Of course Ole Miss stays at #13, and ESPN explains it away as them having a "bad Florida loss". But zero mention of Alabama’s losses, instead they handwave it away with "oh, everyone in this cluster has some bad losses, but look at Alabama’s wins!!1!"

Sickening?  Miami isn’t good. Bama would be favored clearly. I don’t understand anyone’s disgust over the last at large team in. None of those teams can win the title. 

41 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

An immediate 3rd Texas Georgia game is regarded. I hope the committee just reseeds this shit Sunday. They can make up any excuse to justify it.

They will. 

37 minutes ago, Gaffords said:

The losers of UO/Penn and UT/UG will get shuffled around some.

Depends on how PSU performs in an assumed loss. If a competitive game, then I can see PSU at 5 or 6 and UGA at 7. I do not think Texas-UGA will be particularly competitive. Maybe kinda like A&M game. If this is the case, I suspect ND gets moved to 7, poised to play us. If Oregon wins and we win (probable), I’d give anything to keep OSU and Tenn on Oregon side of the bracket. Those are the only 3 threats to us. 

22 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Oh, and the fact that Duke isn't ranked is 1) a travesty, and 2) a deliberate decision by the committee to weaken Miami's resume so they can say the Hurricanes have no ranked wins and elevate Alabama above them. Note that the committee has always made sure to keep Missouri in the rankings as a ranked win for Alabama.

Who gives a fuck about Duke?  Who cares if it’s deliberate?  Miami isn’t good enough to be in playoff and any of Bama, SCar or Ole Miss ought to be ahead of them. 

Two questions I have, both around a Clemson victory: 1) does Bama or SMU get in?  I thought SMU would but think that’s foolish now. Pretty sure it’s Bama. 2) How does this affect the 3 and 4 seeds - who would it be?

14 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

I've said it a couple of times I'm fairly certain they will shuffle the deck based on B1G & SEC CG results. The only teams that can match up for a 3rd time this season is UT & UGA and so I fully expect the loser of the SEC CG to get a home game in round 1 but be on the opposite side of the bracket to where we can only play them again if we both make the final.

Bad for us if it moves Tenn/OSU to our side of bracket - whether we win SEC or not. 

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Ideal state is we don't get a single SEC v SEC or B1G v B1G matchup until the semifinals just not sure if that is viable and I lack the desire to do the what if scenarios.

This !!  Final rankings need to take matchups into account, most would need to be moved up or down 1 spot to avoid any rematches in 1st and 2d round.

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I think they would drop Georgia behind Tennessee in that case. To my knowledge the committee hasn't said CCG game losers can't be "punished," that has been other people.

And they'll drop Penn State behind Domer if Oregon wins, giving the fucking Domers the 5 seed.

Nobody is getting the benefit of the doubt more than those assholes. They haven't beaten anyone worth a crap and they lost AT HOME to a 7-5 MAC team.

 

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