2024 CFB polls/rankings - Texas #3/ #3 /#3 (CFP/AP/Coaches)

[closetojumping 62836]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

JFC, you guys are a broken record with alternative facts. Every Big XII team has at least one P4 non-con on their schedule these days (UH and Tech playing Oregon State being the only realignment related exception). Nobody is doing the Bill Snyder schedule anymore and haven't for more than a decade. Of course, some matchups are way better than others, but they aren't all G6 and FCS. Here's are the Big XII P4 noncon matchups for next year:

KSU @ Arizona (pre-realignment noncon)

ASU @ Miss St.

Auburn @ Baylor

Baylor @ SMU

Stanford @ BYU

Cincy v. Nebraska

GT @ Colorado

UH @ Oregon State (non P4 anymore but still good)

ISU v. Iowa

KU @ Mizzou

TCU @ UNC

SMU @ TCU

OKST @ Oregon (FUCK!)

Tech v. Oregon State (see UH above)

UCF v. UNC

Utah @ UCLA

Pitt @ WVU

No shit you guys mostly have one P4 scheduled. Credit to WVU for having two in multiple future seasons. The issue is that the Big 12 cannot afford to keep scheduling FCS teams while having only one or less P4 teams in the OOC. They're not going to get the benefit of the doubt the way the SEC does when it comes to the cupcake. They need to be boosting their resumes with the OOC talking points.

It's natural we'd only be discussing the Big 12 here given the history for posters here, but everything I'm arguing is true also for the ACC. 

16 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

Yup. Gonna be a lot of angry SEC fans .

Another round of chaos this weekend could lead to the playoffs getting totally neutered if some of these bubble teams lose again and school like Tulane and other mids sneak in 

 

My hope is that the SEC gets served a giant shit sandwich this year and every year forward. The majority of the SEC fans are mouthbreathing rubes and the media fellatio given to the SEC has always been sickening. Texas showing up and mostly rolling through the "grind" should shut a lot of the nonsense up, but it hasn't. "They're all cannibalizing each other!" Sure. Or, most of the teams are mediocre and should not be getting the benefit of the doubt. Don't lose home games to Kentucky. Don't get blown out by OU. Maybe win the gimme against Arkansas or Vanderbilt or Florida.

[Drew 2518]

On 11/24/2024 at 4:52 PM, Dutchrudder said:

Notre Dames SOS is very weak. Their best wins are A&M and Army, neither of which are playoff teams. Army has played zero good teams. If ND lost a conference championship game in 2 weeks, they could be left out, but alas they don't have the burden of a CCG and instead benefit from a cupcake schedule every year. 

They're in as long as they win their last game.  Never a given, but ND has been playing really well.  Probably more dangerous than we want to give them.

On 11/24/2024 at 9:10 PM, Hermanator said:

Should go back to a BCS style but updated algorithm that takes into account strength of schedule. 

The Big 10 and SEC champion get auto bid. The best ranked next 2 conference champions get the final 2 auto bids. 

Then go down the line starting at 1 to fill in the rest. 

That's the way it should be, but will never happen because CFB doesn't want to give away it's power to make matchups for TV ratings. 

As long as the auto bids don't lead to auto seeds.  The idea that the Top 4 conference Champs automatically get the Top 4 seeds is silly in College football.  It's not the NFL with equal scheduling.

There is no reason an 8th ranked Miami and 10-11th ranked Big 12 or Boise should be the 3 and 4 seed.

19 hours ago, The Dog said:

???????

would much rather face the Clemson/Penn St winner than what looks like to me, a good ND team(i know they lost to NIU).

Also Kanell has such an SEC bias it isn't funny.  He's on a podcast i listen to and he did nothing be tear apart Texas' schedule and the way the offense has been the last 5 weeks or so.

Ignored the Texas Defense being dominant or literally beating 3 teams in a row that have beaten top playoff contenders.

2 hours ago, Chopper said:

fwiw

I just do not see the ACC title game loser getting in.

I think if Clemson beats SCAR they could get in...but either Miami or SMU(especially SMU unfortunately) would be left out and i bet either Clemson/SCAR winner or Bama would take that spot.

[satyanash 14624]

['stache 21860]

I just don't think they can "punish" SMU for losing the CCG. If they play Miami and lose then either Miami is the lone ACC team, or Miami and SMU are both in, they can't just let Clemson leapfrog SMU in that scenario. Otherwise, they are confirming all of the concerns that CCG's can be a negative with more risk than reward. They are trying desparately to avoid that perception.

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[Js1 85564]

Just now, 'stache said:

I just don't think they can "punish" SMU for losing the CCG. If they play Miami and lose then either Miami is the lone ACC team, or Miami and SMU are both in, they can't just let Clemson leapfrom SMU in that scenario. Otherwise, they are confirming all of the concerns that CCG's are a negative and come with more risk than reward. They are trying desparately to avoid that perception.

The only way SMU gets punished for losing the CCG is if they lose 59-0 or something. 

[VABuckeye 2472]

I want SMU to win and this stupid Miami chatter to go away.  Same with Clemson.

[jimmyjazz 46118]

48 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

My hope is that the SEC gets served a giant shit sandwich this year and every year forward. The majority of the SEC fans are mouthbreathing rubes and the media fellatio given to the SEC has always been sickening. Texas showing up and mostly rolling through the "grind" should shut a lot of the nonsense up, but it hasn't. "They're all cannibalizing each other!" Sure. Or, most of the teams are mediocre and should not be getting the benefit of the doubt. Don't lose home games to Kentucky. Don't get blown out by OU. Maybe win the gimme against Arkansas or Vanderbilt or Florida.

Preach.

[Hagbard Celine 10919]

re: the rig getting left out, i can't remember who posted this and in what thread but i saved it because if this comes to pass supposedly it's rape & tceh in the rig final guaranteeing a 4-loss yormark trophy:

['stache 21860]

1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

re: the rig getting left out, i can't remember who posted this and in what thread but i saved it because if this comes to pass supposedly it's rape & tceh in the rig final guaranteeing a 4-loss yormark trophy:

Each result individually is plausible, but all of them happening together seems really, really unlikely. It would be absolutely nuts if it happened though, lol.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18569]

3 hours ago, 'stache said:

JFC, you guys are a broken record with alternative facts. Every Big XII team has at least one P4 non-con on their schedule these days (UH and Tech playing Oregon State being the only realignment related exception). Nobody is doing the Bill Snyder schedule anymore and haven't for more than a decade. Of course, some matchups are way better than others, but they aren't all G6 and FCS. Here's are the Big XII P4 noncon matchups for next year:

KSU @ Arizona (pre-realignment noncon)

ASU @ Miss St.

Auburn @ Baylor

Baylor @ SMU

Stanford @ BYU

Cincy v. Nebraska

GT @ Colorado

UH @ Oregon State (non P4 anymore but still good)

ISU v. Iowa

KU @ Mizzou

TCU @ UNC

SMU @ TCU

OKST @ Oregon (FUCK!)

Tech v. Oregon State (see UH above)

UCF v. UNC

Utah @ UCLA

Pitt @ WVU

At least one P4 non-conference game? More like, EXACTLY one P4 non-conference game, and then a bunch of glorified scrimmages. And outside of Oregon, who on that list will be even ranked in the top 25 next year? There aren't exactly a ton of top programs on that slate. I don't care how good of a year SMU is having, you don't get to point to them as strong scheduling when those matches were made when they were in the AAC. You should be playing Oklahoma this Saturday for the love of God. 

['stache 21860]

31 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

At least one P4 non-conference game? More like, EXACTLY one P4 non-conference game, and then a bunch of glorified scrimmages. And outside of Oregon, who on that list will be even ranked in the top 25 next year? There aren't exactly a ton of top programs on that slate. I don't care how good of a year SMU is having, you don't get to point to them as strong scheduling when those matches were made when they were in the AAC. You should be playing Oklahoma this Saturday for the love of God. 

With 4 non-cons to play with, 13 of the 16 SEC schools play only one P4 non-con game in 2025: Arky (v. ND); Auburn (v. Baylor); UGA (v. GT); UK (v Lou); LSU (v. Clemson); MSU (v. Ariz. St.); Mizzou (v. KU); OU (v. Mich);  Ole Miss (v. Wash St); Tenn (v. Syracuse in ATL); UT (v. Ohio State); Aggy (v. ND); Vandy (v. VT)

Granted, some of them are helmet school matchups that the Big XII won't get, because we don't have any helmet schools left: Bama-FSU; LSU-Clemson; OU-Mich; UT-Ohio St.

Some non-helmet schools have good matchups: Arky-ND; UF-FSU & Miami; South Carolina-Clemson & VT; Aggy-ND.

Every SEC school but Texas has an FCS opponent.

The SEC is better than the Big XII by every metric, including more big time non-con matchups. I just have to always push back on the notion that the Big XII schedules nothing but scrimages in the non-con and are somehow unique. The 9 game conference schedule is also a factor as shown above with the conference strength of schedule metric.

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[closetojumping 62836]

19 minutes ago, 'stache said:

With 4 non-cons to play with, 13 of the 16 SEC schools play only one P4 non-con game in 2025: Arky (v. ND); Auburn (v. Baylor); UGA (v. GT); UK (v Lou); LSU (v. Clemson); MSU (v. Ariz. St.); Mizzou (v. KU); OU (v. Mich);  Ole Miss (v. Wash St); Tenn (v. Syracuse in ATL); UT (v. Ohio State); Aggy (v. ND); Vandy (v. VT)

Granted, some of them are helmet school matchups that the Big XII won't get, because we don't have any helmet schools left: Bama-FSU; LSU-Clemson; OU-Mich; UT-Ohio St.

Some non-helmet schools have good matchups: Arky-ND; UF-FSU & Miami; South Carolina-Clemson & VT; Aggy-ND.

Every SEC school but Texas has an FCS opponent.

The SEC is better than the Big XII by every metric, including more big time non-con matchups. I just have to always push back on the notion that the Big XII schedules nothing but scrimages in the non-con and are somehow unique. The 9 game conference schedule is also a factor as shown above with the conference strength of schedule metric.

This post appears to be some sort of exercise in performance art. It somehow snakes its way through avoiding the point in its rebuttal altogether. It’s kind of fascinating, really. 

[notre dame joe 195]

6 hours ago, alincoln said:

Exactly.  A made for television event is going to be made for television. 

Another reason to hate/ignore many playoff games. 

6 hours ago, 'stache said:

I’m talking about going into the game, neither of those was for a national title shot.

 

6 hours ago, 52-80 said:

But this is just quarterfinals so far, not even semifinals. It's still distant to the final.

In 09 it was undefeated vs undefeated and they were vying to earn the best finish in school history (even if not in the actual ncg.. they ended up at #2 in coaches poll).

I give Boise a share of the 2009 title.

4 hours ago, closetojumping said:

I know I’ve said this a few times in the Left Behind thread, but the Big 12 needs to stop scheduling cupcakes in the non-con. They are pussifying their OOCs and adding FCS and G6 opponents almost exclusively.  That’s not going to help their arguments.

A few 10 win teams that beat even middling P4 OOC teams and avoided FCS games would be able to proudly pound their chest that both belong in the CFP irrespective of Big 12 title game results. 

Not seeing a big12 exclusion this year.  You would need multiple 13-0/12-1 teams from the G5 AND the polarization that got an 11-1 IU team to also occur in the SEC.  It doesn't have to be the Big12 champion, they can take a non-champ with fewer losses. 

 

For scheduling wins vs quality OOC I think the difference is infinitesimal.  The inflated playoff leaves room for both the two big conferences and any small team with a pretty W-L column.  

[dcar00 14356]

5 hours ago, Zeus said:

Yep. I guess if the big12 team has only 2 losses they will squeak in. But in general I think Boise State is much more marketable than all of the remaining big12 teams besides Colorado.

If the rig12 officials don't push Colorado though they run a real risk of getting left out, depending on who wins and how they play. Arizona State with their best wins being Iowa State and BYU? Losing to Texas Tech and Cincinnati and still make the playoff? 

 

I think the Big 12 champ gets in as long as they don't have 4 losses.  They will get a boost by winning that game.  A G5 champ game winner isn't going to get a boost.

['stache 21860]

7 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

This post appears to be some sort of exercise in performance art. It somehow snakes its way through avoiding the point in its rebuttal altogether. It’s kind of fascinating, really. 

Lol, okay, it's directly responsive to the topic, while acknowleding the differences in the leagues. I get that a bunch of people here think the Big XII is terrible and should just shut down or join the NAIA, but it's just dumb.

[dcar00 14356]

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

 

My hope is that the SEC gets served a giant shit sandwich this year and every year forward. The majority of the SEC fans are mouthbreathing rubes and the media fellatio given to the SEC has always been sickening. Texas showing up and mostly rolling through the "grind" should shut a lot of the nonsense up, but it hasn't. "They're all cannibalizing each other!" Sure. Or, most of the teams are mediocre and should not be getting the benefit of the doubt. Don't lose home games to Kentucky. Don't get blown out by OU. Maybe win the gimme against Arkansas or Vanderbilt or Florida.

this.  All our wins have been by double digits save Vandy(which was only that close due to ref fuckery).  If Tennessee or Ole Miss had done this we'd never hear the fucking end of it, how they rolled through the SEC MeatGrinder*tm save the one loss to top 5 Georgia.

[dcar00 14356]

7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Lol, okay, it's directly responsive to the topic, while acknowleding the differences in the leagues. I get that a bunch of people here think the Big XII is terrible and should just shut down or join the NAIA, but it's just dumb.

you don't need to do that.  you can split and half join MWC and half join Sunbelt.  Or you could Make Pac-10 Great Again

[notre dame joe 195]

2 hours ago, VABuckeye said:

I want SMU to win and this stupid Miami chatter to go away.  Same with Clemson.

I am curious to see if the PC looks hard at their non-cons because they were very interesting this year.

 

Clemson - flattened by UGA.

Miami - flattened UF, who it turns out is not that bad.

SMU - lost narrowly @BYU which could be a quality loss.

 

If they weigh that then Clemson should not get a lifeline. 

[Mitch Cumsteen 18569]

27 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Lol, okay, it's directly responsive to the topic, while acknowleding the differences in the leagues. I get that a bunch of people here think the Big XII is terrible and should just shut down or join the NAIA, but it's just dumb.

The Big XII is not terrible. I don't wish for its demise. I wish it would schedule more compelling nonconference games to make me want to watch it. I wish the rest of the conference had scheduled more compelling nonconference games when we were actually in the conference to raise its profile. Then maybe we wouldn't have had to throw our lot in with all these sister fuckers and mouthbreathers.

But don't feed us that bullshit about scheduling. It's going to continue to bite the conference in the ass. Put on your big girl panties and schedule OU for fuck's sake. 

[ztejas 43533]

23 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

I am curious to see if the PC looks hard at their non-cons because they were very interesting this year.

 

Clemson - flattened by UGA.

Miami - flattened UF, who it turns out is not that bad.

SMU - lost narrowly @BYU which could be a quality loss.

 

If they weigh that then Clemson should not get a lifeline. 

SMU also drilled TCU.

[Zeus 6126]

4 hours ago, DaysOff said:

Strange year in cfb. I'm having a hard time coming up with 12 worthy teams, but I guess that was the point of an expanded playoff.

whats crazy is it was supposed to be 8

Then they said it would be 12 the following year

Then they said wait that's dumb lets just do 12 this year fuck it

[Zeus 6126]

10 minutes ago, ztejas said:

SMU also drilled TCU.

So satisfying watching those rich fort worth kids fuck up those other rich fort worth kids

[closetojumping 62836]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Lol, okay, it's directly responsive to the topic, while acknowleding the differences in the leagues. I get that a bunch of people here think the Big XII is terrible and should just shut down or join the NAIA, but it's just dumb.

This is more logic fallacy delivery on your end. 

No one is claiming that the Big 12 is terrible and the other hyperbole you sling with it. 

I said the Big 12 needs to stop scheduling the FCS teams and add more P4 teams. I said the Big 12 doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt that the SEC does, competition-wise, whether that is fair or not. That led to your descent into buffoonish rhetoric. 

“hey morons, we already play P4 teams!” - again, no one claimed they didn’t  

“yeah, well let’s look at the SEC scheduling then whaddubout that, huh!” - SEC scheduling is irrelevant to the Big 12 scheduling issues 

“oh sure, you guys just hate the Big 12. i guess we should just shut it down then, meanies!” - this is a bullshit, losing approach to fruitful community discussion, you fucking baby

I guess this behavior works somewhere  The okie state sites? The Cloak Room? In psyche wards somewhere? With elementary school classrooms? Regardless, it’s bandwidth drain here.

 

1 hour ago, notre dame joe said:

Another reason to hate/ignore many playoff games. 

 

I give Boise a share of the 2009 title.

Not seeing a big12 exclusion this year.  You would need multiple 13-0/12-1 teams from the G5 AND the polarization that got an 11-1 IU team to also occur in the SEC.  It doesn't have to be the Big12 champion, they can take a non-champ with fewer losses. 

 

For scheduling wins vs quality OOC I think the difference is infinitesimal.  The inflated playoff leaves room for both the two big conferences and any small team with a pretty W-L column.  

It’s not that hard to see Big 12 exclusion this year. You’re overstating the improbability of it. No one is claiming it is probable either. 

['stache 21860]

57 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

The Big XII is not terrible. I don't wish for its demise. I wish it would schedule more compelling nonconference games to make me want to watch it. I wish the rest of the conference had scheduled more compelling nonconference games when we were actually in the conference to raise its profile. Then maybe we wouldn't have had to throw our lot in with all these sister fuckers and mouthbreathers.

But don't feed us that bullshit about scheduling. It's going to continue to bite the conference in the ass. Put on your big girl panties and schedule OU for fuck's sake. 

 

6 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

This is more logic fallacy delivery on your end. 

No one is claiming that the Big 12 is terrible and the other hyperbole you sling with it. 

I said the Big 12 needs to stop scheduling the FCS teams and add more P4 teams. I said the Big 12 doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt that the SEC does, competition-wise, whether that is fair or not. That led to your descent into buffoonish rhetoric. 

“hey morons, we already play P4 teams!” - again, no one claimed they didn’t  

“yeah, well let’s look at the SEC scheduling then whaddubout that, huh!” - SEC scheduling is irrelevant to the Big 12 scheduling issues 

“oh sure, you guys just hate the Big 12. i guess we should just shut it down then, meanies!” - this is a bullshit, losing approach to fruitful community discussion, you fucking baby

I guess this behavior works somewhere  The okie state sites? The Cloak Room? In psyche wards somewhere? With elementary school classrooms? Regardless, it’s bandwidth drain here.

 

It’s not that hard to see Big 12 exclusion this year. You’re overstating the improbability of it. No one is claiming it is probable either. 

I guess I just fundamentally disagree that adding an 11th P4 opponent every season would make any sort of a difference in perception of the league come CFP time. The helmet schools will always get that benefit of the doubt, as will the second tier SEC schools. If anything, playing a tougher noncon schedule just increases the possibility of an extra CFP killing loss, without any real corresponding bump for playing an extra P4, unless it involves a blueblood opponent. As far as my school goes, we have Oregon home and away the next two seasons, then @Arky, then Bama home and away. I just hope we get shit back on track for at least some of those years, our non-con shouldn't be questioned in the Oregon/Bama years, and Arky always might be decent.  

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