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4 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

2 of the top 6. It’s always going to be the case that only 1 team from the SEC and BIG each will get a bye, and they will pretty much always make up the majority of the top 10. Getting the 5 seed over the 6 seed will also be a big advantage since 5 seeds gets to play the G5 team. 

 

The 5 and 6 seeds are going to be the place to be. This can’t happen now but there was definitely a big part of me rooting for us to win out but lose out on a ~4th tiebreaker to make the SEC championship game.* A one loss Texas team that missed their conference championship after losing a deep tiebreaker would be an easy sell to give the 5 or 6 seed to and you get to skip getting banged up in the CCG game.
Being the 5 or 6 seed allows you knock off any rust from a 3 week layoff against the weakest team in the playoff.

And you’re primed to go 10 days later against the worst conference champ that is coming off a 24 day break.

A one or two seed is going to lose in the quarters because of that break and a slow start while a team that is more “game ready” having played 1.5 weeks before comes out firing on all cylinders.

 

*Are teams that are bowl-eligible, but not in their conference championship games, allowed to practice the week between the end of the regular season and the conference championship?

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6 minutes ago, UTexasFight said:

 

The 5 and 6 seeds are going to be the place to be. This can’t happen now but there was definitely a big part of me rooting for us to win out but lose out on a ~4th tiebreaker to make the SEC championship game.* A one loss Texas team that missed their conference championship after losing a deep tiebreaker would be an easy sell to give the 5 or 6 seed to and you get to skip getting banged up in the CCG game.
Being the 5 or 6 seed allows you knock off any rust from a 3 week layoff against the weakest team in the playoff.

And you’re primed to go 10 days later against the worst conference champ that is coming off a 24 day break.

A one or two seed is going to lose in the quarters because of that break and a slow start while a team that is more “game ready” having played 1.5 weeks before comes out firing on all cylinders.

 

*Are teams that are bowl-eligible, but not in their conference championship games, allowed to practice the week between the end of the regular season and the conference championship?

You’re really overrating the impact of that first game for the next round. 6 seed is not where you want to be at all. You’ll be playing a BIG or SEC team of similar skill level. That extra game against a similarly talented team drastically decreases your odds of winning the title. Then you’ll likely be facing a Miami team that is ranked 9th or 10th by most advanced metrics. Not nearly the pushover of whoever the 4 seed Big 12 champ is that the 5 seed will play. 
 

The 5 seed is a good spot to be. 6th seed is not anywhere near as good. The BIG is almost definitely getting the 5 seed this year, so anything short of winning the SEC will put us in a tough spot. 

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11 minutes ago, LonghornSean said:

Yes, SEC champ to Sugar, B1G to Rose, then I’d assume ACC to Peach and Big 12 or whoever to Fiesta.

 

Assume Texas is SEC champ and #2 seed.

would they align the BIG champ to play in the Orange bowl in the semis? Or depends who it is before deciding if they’d be aligned to go there or Cotton?

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I tend to agree with the take above that we won't see a 9 game SEC schedule without playoff expansion that does not increase auto bids (i.e., adding 2 or 4 more at large).

What's becoming clear is due to Michigan and OU sucking (the latter can't help it obviously), absent an upset like USC/ND or PSU/MN (or something else completely random like Ole Miss or Bama losing as heavy favorites), Texas is going to have to win @ aggy to make the playoffs.  We could probably end up losing one of the other 2 and still get in with a W at Aggy.  But a loss there is probably going to knock us out barring upsets.  The narrative that Texas doesn't have a quality win is just going to grow louder.

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47 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

You’re really overrating the impact of that first game for the next round. 6 seed is not where you want to be at all. You’ll be playing a BIG or SEC team of similar skill level. That extra game against a similarly talented team drastically decreases your odds of winning the title. Then you’ll likely be facing a Miami team that is ranked 9th or 10th by most advanced metrics. Not nearly the pushover of whoever the 4 seed Big 12 champ is that the 5 seed will play. 

Unless the refs rape SMU, Miami won’t be in the playoffs.

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5 hours ago, UTexasFight said:

 

The 5 and 6 seeds are going to be the place to be. This can’t happen now but there was definitely a big part of me rooting for us to win out but lose out on a ~4th tiebreaker to make the SEC championship game.* A one loss Texas team that missed their conference championship after losing a deep tiebreaker would be an easy sell to give the 5 or 6 seed to and you get to skip getting banged up in the CCG game.
Being the 5 or 6 seed allows you knock off any rust from a 3 week layoff against the weakest team in the playoff.

And you’re primed to go 10 days later against the worst conference champ that is coming off a 24 day break.

A one or two seed is going to lose in the quarters because of that break and a slow start while a team that is more “game ready” having played 1.5 weeks before comes out firing on all cylinders.

 

*Are teams that are bowl-eligible, but not in their conference championship games, allowed to practice the week between the end of the regular season and the conference championship?

Now wait a minute.  Do you get banged up in the extra game or need it to shake off the rust?  #askingforamother

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If anything, the SEC should schedule more top games earlier. Get them out of way and be primed to move up when the BIG teams beat each other up late. 
the BIG will have 2 in the top 5 and SEC will have 3 after the conference championship games. Book it 

This is what will happen in the future. High preseason ranking for no reason, a cupcake or two and then a few of the assumed tougher opponents for the conference standard bearers. Back to a cupcake and some winnable games while everyone gets beat up.
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9 hours ago, UTexasFight said:

Assume Texas is SEC champ and #2 seed.

would they align the BIG champ to play in the Orange bowl in the semis? Or depends who it is before deciding if they’d be aligned to go there or Cotton?

Think they align the QFs to conference bowl site tie-ins and in the semis, top seed left gets first pick of which SF site they want 

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8 hours ago, Skipper said:

I tend to agree with the take above that we won't see a 9 game SEC schedule without playoff expansion that does not increase auto bids (i.e., adding 2 or 4 more at large).

What's becoming clear is due to Michigan and OU sucking (the latter can't help it obviously), absent an upset like USC/ND or PSU/MN (or something else completely random like Ole Miss or Bama losing as heavy favorites), Texas is going to have to win @ aggy to make the playoffs.  We could probably end up losing one of the other 2 and still get in with a W at Aggy.  But a loss there is probably going to knock us out barring upsets.  The narrative that Texas doesn't have a quality win is just going to grow louder.

Agreed. We might be able to lose a second game, but it can't be aggy if we want to get to playoffs as things are unfolding now.

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20 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Can't get to 16 teams fast enough and byes get eliminated. Lets pray for 2026!

What would 16 look like? Autobids for top 6 conference champs and top 3 CCG losers, 7 at large? Retain top auto-seeding of conference champions? Conferences won't like a plan that diminishes the value of their CCG unless they are highly confident in the offsetting gains stemming from the new way, and maybe not even then.

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12 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Agreed. We might be able to lose a second game, but it can't be aggy if we want to get to playoffs as things are unfolding now.

And I don't think most Texas fans have come to grips with that yet.  I think everyone would have assumed a 10-2 Texas team is in a 12 team playoff.  I certainly would have.  But between Big 10 having a massive gap after top 4 teams resulting in no parity, Michigan win not paying dividends, Notre Dame riding that win @ A&M to carry them through despite having the worst loss of all candidates and SEC having a ton of 2 loss teams, it's pretty much becoming a certainty absent 1-2 teams losing as a 2 TD favorite 

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10 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

What would 16 look like? Autobids for top 6 conference champs and top 3 CCG losers, 7 at large? Retain top auto-seeding of conference champions? Conferences won't like a plan that diminishes the value of their CCG unless they are highly confident in the offsetting gains stemming from the new way, and maybe not even then.

If BIG/SEC get their way they'd get 4 auto bids each. I'd imagine Big 12 and ACC would get 2, highest ranked g6 or two plus ND, and 3 at larges? It has been reported that BIG and SEC are already pushing for that 4 auto bids

I'd imagine that if you play in the CCG you'd get the autobid from the conference so it would be something like 

SEC CCG Teams(2)
BIG CCG Teams(2)
Big 12 CCG Teams(2)
ACC CCG Teams(2)

That is 8 teams there.

2 highest ranked SEC teams auto bid that aren't in CCG
2 highest ranked BIG teams auto bid that aren't in CCG
1 Highest Ranked g6 conference champion
3 At Large bids OR 2 At Large bids and Notre Dame


Personally i see a big push by SEC or BIG to get ND to join.

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39 minutes ago, Skipper said:

And I don't think most Texas fans have come to grips with that yet.  I think everyone would have assumed a 10-2 Texas team is in a 12 team playoff.  I certainly would have.  But between Big 10 having a massive gap after top 4 teams resulting in no parity, Michigan win not paying dividends, Notre Dame riding that win @ A&M to carry them through despite having the worst loss of all candidates and SEC having a ton of 2 loss teams, it's pretty much becoming a certainty absent 1-2 teams losing as a 2 TD favorite 

Not sure they are leaving out a 2 loss Texas for a 1 loss Indiana (and Notre Dame isnt out of the woods yet, they very well may lose again, they lost to northern illinois lol). The most likely team to lose by a random upset in the SEC is definitely Ole Miss. Would also be beneficial if Tenn beats UGA and knocks them out of the playoff picture this week. 

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1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Would also be beneficial if Tenn beats UGA and knocks them out of the playoff picture this week. 

That would help but it still probably doesn’t get us in if we lose to A&M absent Ohio State completely embarrassing Indiana. In that scenario, Tennessee, Bama, A&M and Ole Miss are probably all in ahead of us due to SOS, so we still need the SEC to get a 5th team somehow.

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44 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Not sure they are leaving out a 2 loss Texas for a 1 loss Indiana (and Notre Dame isnt out of the woods yet, they very well may lose again, they lost to northern illinois lol). The most likely team to lose by a random upset in the SEC is definitely Ole Miss. Would also be beneficial if Tenn beats UGA and knocks them out of the playoff picture this week. 

Maybe not but the howls from the media and every non-Texas fanbase would be awful.  It's already starting, how "Texas doesn't have any top 25 wins," there is a huge article in the Athletic that basically says Georgia should be ranked above Texas since they won head-to-head even though UGA has 2 losses because "UGA has three top 25 wins to Texas' zero"

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Georgia, Texas and the folly of ranking teams by number of losses

Georgia, Texas and the folly of ranking teams by number of losses
By Stewart Mandel
Nov 12, 2024

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On Oct. 19, Georgia went to sold-out Darrell K Royal Memorial Stadium and dominated then-top-ranked Texas 30-15, notching seven sacks and forcing three fumbles in one of the most impressive defensive performances by any team this season.

Barely three weeks later, the latest AP Poll has the Horns (8-1) back up to No. 3 in the country, while Georgia (7-2), which lost 28-10 at Ole Miss on Saturday, dropped to No. 11.

It is a classic example of the oldest tradition in college football polls: ranking teams by number of losses. Texas has one. Georgia has two.

But in this new era of mega-conferences, in which two teams in the same league can play wildly different schedules, defaulting to the number of losses is just plain lazy. The College Football Playoff selection committee, which issues its new rankings Tuesday at 8:30 p.m. ET, needs to do better.

Kirby Smart’s Bulldogs have already played three current top-10 teams — Alabama (7-2), Texas and Ole Miss (8-2) — all on the road. And they played a fourth Top 25 team, Clemson (7-2), at a neutral site. The Dawgs are 2-2 in those games, beating Texas and Clemson (34-3) handily, losing a close game at Alabama (41-34) and losing badly at Ole Miss.

Texas, for its part, has played one current Top 25 team — Georgia — which it lost to at home by two touchdowns.

The Athletic looked at four rankings of strength of schedule. Georgia’s schedule was No. 1 in three of them and No. 3 in the other. Texas’ ranged from No. 46 to No. 80. Georgia has played six road/neutral-site games and just three home games. Texas is the exact opposite with six home games and three road/neutral-site games.

Georgia should arguably be ranked above Texas, not eight spots behind it, given those disparate resumes — not to mention the Dawgs played the Horns and won by 15 points.

Georgia has not looked great recently, especially on offense, but that’s at least in part because it has played such a brutal schedule. The more elite opponents a team plays, the more opportunities it has to lose, especially on the road. If Texas — or Oregon or Ohio State, for that matter — had already played three top-10 teams and a fourth Top 25 team, all away from home, it’d likely have an extra loss by now, too.

The Horns belong somewhere in the top 10. Seven of their eight wins have been lopsided. And just about every computer rating has them in the top three as well.

But the committee tells us all the time how much importance it places on resumes, and Texas has not even beaten anyone in the AP’s “others receiving votes” category. Its “best” win to date was at 6-4 Vanderbilt. Its only other foe with a winning record is 6-3 Colorado State.

The Horns will get one more chance to meaningfully boost their resume when they visit top-15 Texas A&M on Nov. 30. If they win and finish 7-1 in the conference, they will be heading to the SEC Championship Game, where they can earn an automatic CFP berth and render all of this moot.

In the meantime, Georgia is playing yet another top-10 foe this weekend, 8-1 Tennessee, at home. Beating the Vols would give Georgia three Top 25 wins, something only one other team in the country, Alabama, can claim. That would be three more than Texas would have, given it faces unranked Arkansas this week.

One would hope the AP voters and committee will use common sense at that point and flip them. But, of course, Georgia would still have one more loss than Texas. It might be asking too much for pollsters to scrap an 80-year-old tradition.

 

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2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Think they align the QFs to conference bowl site tie-ins and in the semis, top seed left gets first pick of which SF site they want 

Yeah, it’s that second part that’s not clear.

 I can’t tell what the bold is trying to say:

“Traditional contract-bowl relationships will be the top priority when the committee assigns teams to Playoff Quarterfinal sites, but such priority cannot be guaranteed because of the bracket. For example, if the Big 12 Conference champion were ranked No. 1 and the Southeastern Conference champion were ranked No. 2, then the Big 12 champion would be assigned to the Sugar Bowl. 

The committee will use geographic proximity for the No. 1 seed when assigning the Playoff Semifinal sites.
 

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2016/10/24/selection-committee-protocol
 

is that supposed to say the “highest remaining seed”? Or do they actually mean, “we’ll defer to the #1 seed (Oregon today) on where they want to play, but if they get knocked off, #2 seed, we don’t care where you want to play, we get to decide.”

At any rate, cutting to the chase, what are the chances we get Cotton if we’re the #2 seed? Will Oregon as the 1 seed want Orange? If Ohio St beats Oregon, are they the #1 or would we be if we run the table?

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1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Would also be beneficial if Tenn beats UGA and knocks them out of the playoff picture this week. 

Nico may not play. UGA is already a 10-point favorite and will be at home. I don't see Tennessee winning this one is Nico is out.

1 hour ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

That would help but it still probably doesn’t get us in if we lose to A&M absent Ohio State completely embarrassing Indiana. In that scenario, Tennessee, Bama, A&M and Ole are probably all in ahead of us due to SOS, so we still need the SEC to get a 5th team somehow.

Texas, and fans of other SEC schools, should absolutely want IU to get blown out. They've played a really bad schedule and might get left out with a blowout loss to OSU. That is the easiest path for the SEC to get five in. Miami, ND, SMU, and Clemson losing another helps too. Hopefully Army beats ND and the ACC winner is a two-loss team; or a situation where no doubt that only one ACC team should get in at the end because the others have two-three losses.

18 minutes ago, markstanco said:

I dont see it.  I bet the line opens that week at 10-14 points which I still think will be low. 

Yep. OSU is going to blow them out. I think it'll be way worse than 10-14 points. Day needs that after the past three seasons.

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13 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

The playoff anger index from ESPN with SMU 2nd with a blind comparison to Texas…..   They reaching a bit. 

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Yeah that's fucking dumb. I don't think anyone is saying SMU is as good as Texas or should be ranked as high. 

What doesn't jibe is that SMU has a better ACC resume now than FSU does - with a non-con loss to undefeated #6 in the CFP. Miami kicked the shit out of Florida - we kicked the shit out of TCU. Miami could have easily lost to Va Tech and Cal - SMU could have easily lost to Duke (who the Canes also fucked around with). 

It seems incogruous to have BYU and Miami so high and then SMU 5 spots back. In this case it should work itself out as the ACC likely just gets 1 bid but that doesn't give the CFP a free pass to put out a bad slate of rankings. 

I would also have both Bama and Ole Miss ahead of Miami.

Boise State is fucking overrated as well. 

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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Can't get to 16 teams fast enough and byes get eliminated. Lets pray for 2026!

 

2 hours ago, Magus Ossis said:

What would 16 look like? Autobids for top 6 conference champs and top 3 CCG losers, 7 at large? Retain top auto-seeding of conference champions? Conferences won't like a plan that diminishes the value of their CCG unless they are highly confident in the offsetting gains stemming from the new way, and maybe not even then.

 

2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

If BIG/SEC get their way they'd get 4 auto bids each. I'd imagine Big 12 and ACC would get 2, highest ranked g6 or two plus ND, and 3 at larges? It has been reported that BIG and SEC are already pushing for that 4 auto bids

I'd imagine that if you play in the CCG you'd get the autobid from the conference so it would be something like 

SEC CCG Teams(2)
BIG CCG Teams(2)
Big 12 CCG Teams(2)
ACC CCG Teams(2)

That is 8 teams there.

2 highest ranked SEC teams auto bid that aren't in CCG
2 highest ranked BIG teams auto bid that aren't in CCG
1 Highest Ranked g6 conference champion
3 At Large bids OR 2 At Large bids and Notre Dame


Personally i see a big push by SEC or BIG to get ND to join.

You can't get rid of byes and still have CCGs. That's fucking stupid. 

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27 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

If that happens this year Ryan Day is for sure getting fired haha

Unless he makes the playoffs and wins a game +.  If he finds a way to lose to Michigan AND doesnt make the 12 team, you may be right (although it will be incredibly dumb on behalf of fOSU). 

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

CCGs will always stay even without byes because TV money.

You could do 24. CCG participants get a bye into the 2nd round. Then you have 16 teams play for those 8 slots. 

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1 hour ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

Maybe not but the howls from the media and every non-Texas fanbase would be awful.  It's already starting, how "Texas doesn't have any top 25 wins," there is a huge article in the Athletic that basically says Georgia should be ranked above Texas since they won head-to-head even though UGA has 2 losses because "UGA has three top 25 wins to Texas' zero"

 

Yeah unless Notre Dame loses another game, Texas likely has to win their next 3 games to earn a spot in the CFP playoffs...

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14 hours ago, msucolt45 said:


I actually watch his show each M-F during lunch. They actually bring great guests on a daily basis, even after you get “past” some of the regular show/staff characters. Over the years I’ve even grown to the the staff “schtick” and insight.

Pat’s staff/crew actually brings great insight into CFB/NFL, not counting his daily guests! Watch it with an “open mind” around 11-1 on ESPN and you might be surprised.

Hook’em!!!

If they have to run a scrolling disclaimer on the bottom not to sue ESPN, I have no interest. It’s usually on at the gym, on mute, thank god 

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34 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Yeah that's fucking dumb. I don't think anyone is saying SMU is as good as Texas or should be ranked as high. 

What doesn't jibe is that SMU has a better ACC resume now than FSU does - with a non-con loss to undefeated #6 in the CFP. Miami kicked the shit out of Florida - we kicked the shit out of TCU. Miami could have easily lost to Va Tech and Cal - SMU could have easily lost to Duke (who the Canes also fucked around with). 

It seems incogruous to have BYU and Miami so high and then SMU 5 spots back. In this case it should work itself out as the ACC likely just gets 1 bid but that doesn't give the CFP a free pass to put out a bad slate of rankings. 

I would also have both Bama and Ole Miss ahead of Miami.

Boise State is fucking overrated as well. 

If SMU, Clemson and Miami all win out up to the ACCCG, I'd rather see two from the ACC, than a fourth from the Big 10 and potentially the SEC. 

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1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

another loss and we're cooked, doesn't matter who it's against

BEAT PIG

move on

This is where I'm at.

Just win, baby.

Beat A&M and go to the SECCG (and assure a playoff spot) in our first season in the SEC? That's wildly succesful for this season.

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9 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

If SMU, Clemson and Miami all win out up to the ACCCG, I'd rather see two from the ACC, than a fourth from the Big 10 and potentially the SEC. 

I'm obviously fine with that myself but they have the 1st place team in the conference ranked 14th. 

Not sure how you wind up with a 2nd bid out of that. I guess ND losing would help. I mean they're telling us in this set of rankings that the ACCCG loser isn't going to get any respect. 

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3 hours ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Would also be beneficial if Tenn beats UGA and knocks them out of the playoff picture this week. 

I think TN/UGA is likely going to end up viewed as an elimination game.  Particularly to the extent one team wins somewhat comfortably.

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28 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I think OSU loses to IU. Pretty confident actually. 

Pretty confident they won't lost to Michigan, but would love if they lost both.

It wouldn't surprise me but best thing that could happen if you want potential for more SEC bids (giving us cushion) is for OSU to blow IU out of the water potentially knocking them out.   OSU has that @PSU win in their back pocket if they lose again.  To be clear, I'm not sold on PSU but it is what it is.

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11 minutes ago, Skipper said:

It wouldn't surprise me but best thing that could happen if you want potential for more SEC bids (giving us cushion) is for OSU to blow IU out of the water potentially knocking them out.   OSU has that @PSU win in their back pocket if they lose again.  To be clear, I'm not sold on PSU but it is what it is.

I get what you're saying. I'm just not now, and hopefully never will be, in a place where I'm pulling for a team I despise to win so my team makes the playoffs.

I'd rather know, Texas wins out, they make the CFP. They don't, shit happens. Don't lose and you don't have to go full hopium praying for teams I dislike to win. That's aggie shit and nothing I'm interested in being a part of in my view of the world.

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3 hours ago, Skipper said:

I think TN/UGA is likely going to end up viewed as an elimination game.  Particularly to the extent one team wins somewhat comfortably.

I'm not sure I see any way the loser of that game makes the playoff. It would take some chaos.

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27 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Going to be honest the BCS poll looks superior 

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Yeah it has basically every change inside the top 15 I would make. Tenn > BYU, everyone over Miami, BSU behind Miami/SMU.

I'd maybe have Indiana above PSU.

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4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Interesting thread:

 

 

I mean, it's basically what Stewart Mandel said earlier this week.

And yes, we are benefiting from the committee ignoring SOR and just looking at record.   The committee will do whatever they want, and justify whatever they do, but they are, as usual, giving deferential treatment to preseason rankings, which is why they should not exist until week 5 or 6. 

BYU: No. 2(!) SOR, No. 6 CFP

Indiana: No. 6 SOR, No. 5 CFP

Texas: No. 10 SOR, No. 3 CFP

Penn State: No. 5 SOR, No. 4 CFP

Tennessee: No. 9 SOR, No. 7 CFP

Notre Dame: No. 13 SOR, No. 8 CFP

Georgia: No, 3(!) SOR, No. 12 CFP

Miami: No. 7 SOR, No. 9 CFP

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