2024 CFB polls/rankings - Texas #3/ #4 /#4 (CFP/AP/Coaches)

[dcar00 14,867]

2 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Looking across college this year, I think there is a new definition of what a good team looks like. Great teams, no. Good teams, absolutely.

welcome to the downstream effect of unlimited free agency.  

[Rickylovesweed 15,191]

3 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Looking across college this year, I think there is a new definition of what a good team looks like. Great teams, no. Good teams, absolutely.

It's always been that way. 

It's why Herman had pretty good teams at 8-4 and why we were ranked in the top 25. Once you get past like the top 8 to 12 teams, it's a lot meh but good in the context of other teams being worse. 

[freyguy 4,354]

1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

Domers are basically the Cowboys of college football.  They had the mythology, the Catholic t-shirt fan and were on TV a lot.

and like the Cowboys, haven't won anything big in 30 years.  ND will get in, then promptly prove again why they shouldn't be allowed on the national stage.

[Huckleberry 34,170]

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

We get too caught up in the top 25. There is not the massive chasm between number 17 and 35 that we pretend there is. 

Yes, and this year from about 20-50 there is just a glorious mess of mediocre teams.

As an example I am willing to bet that as shitty as they are this year I would bet on Oklahoma straight up over at least 100 of the 134 FBS teams. Florida, too. The one team that ctj mentioned that I wouldn't is probably Missouri because I just don't trust them. But a lot of that is probably because I've watched them play multiple times and haven't watched some of the other teams in that mediocre club. If I'd watched some of them I'd probably think of them the same way I think of Missouri.

[ztejas 44,094]

36 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

There's definitely a chance. 

Especially if some stuff happens this weekend. 

What kind of stuff? Butt-stuff?

[UTexasFight 9,756]

10 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Yes, and this year from about 20-50 there is just a glorious mess of mediocre teams.

As an example I am willing to bet that as shitty as they are this year I would bet on Oklahoma straight up over at least 100 of the 134 FBS teams. Florida, too. The one team that ctj mentioned that I wouldn't is probably Missouri because I just don't trust them. But a lot of that is probably because I've watched them play multiple times and haven't watched some of the other teams in that mediocre club. If I'd watched some of them I'd probably think of them the same way I think of Missouri.

That’s a lot of words when “ou sucks” would have sufficed 

[ztejas 44,094]

39 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

A 3 loss Alabama should definitely get in over a 2 loss Miami. 

The ACC is fucking garbage. Miami's best win is fucking Duke? Miami is a complete fraud that has played nobody. 

Their best wins are Louisville and Florida. 

Which is better than anyone Indiana has beat 🤷

Few close calls and a L against very meh teams though.

[WBT 20,832]

52 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

I hope to god SMU beats them and Miami will have no justification at all for making the playoffs with 2 losses and that schedule. 

But they will make it.  And the justification will be only 2 losses.

[WBT 20,832]

40 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Now that Texas is in the SEC, I am 100% onboard with SEC bias 

Why?  We take care of our business and we'll always be fine.  Fuck the rest of them

[JBJ 3,759]

27 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Yes, and this year from about 20-50 there is just a glorious mess of mediocre teams.

As an example I am willing to bet that as shitty as they are this year I would bet on Oklahoma straight up over at least 100 of the 134 FBS teams. Florida, too. The one team that ctj mentioned that I wouldn't is probably Missouri because I just don't trust them. But a lot of that is probably because I've watched them play multiple times and haven't watched some of the other teams in that mediocre club. If I'd watched some of them I'd probably think of them the same way I think of Missouri.

Oklahoma is 23rd in my power ratings with the number 11 defense, so this is accurate.

Florida is 15th.

Mizzou is 29th, so it starts to get dicey.

Edited November 24 by JBJ

[Rickylovesweed 15,191]

2 minutes ago, WBT said:

But they will make it.  And the justification will be only 2 losses.

I don't think they will but it will be close. 

I also don't think them beating Syracuse on the road this weekend is anywhere close to a guarantee either. 

[WBT 20,832]

38 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I think there is a lot more parity broadly speaking but who is great in the Big 12, ACC or B1G. As a Texas fan which conference do you think would have been tougher to get where we are today?

Judging by past results, the Big 12

[RockyMountainHighHorn 912]

Is there not a thread on here about just being excited to have guaranteed a spot in the playoffs? I know goals are higher but dang, we got in. 

[dcar00 14,867]

54 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Now that Texas is in the SEC, I am 100% onboard with SEC bias 

It will be interesting how hard the media fight against the SEC Bias now that we have exposed it.

[nbmishoid 977]

1 hour ago, Rickylovesweed said:

A 3 loss Alabama should definitely get in over a 2 loss Miami. 

The ACC is fucking garbage. Miami's best win is fucking Duke? Miami is a complete fraud that has played nobody. 

Alabama’s loss yesterday was so embarrassingly horrible that it should exclude Bama period.  This isn’t about other teams.

[ztejas 44,094]

26 minutes ago, nbmishoid said:

Alabama’s loss yesterday was so embarrassingly horrible that it should exclude Bama period.  This isn’t about other teams.

Yeah idk about 2 loss Miami vs. 3 loss Bama. Last night was atrocious. I'm not saying Miami walks into Norman and wins but I'm guessing they find a way to put more than 3 pts on the board. 

Is the Ga Tech loss worse than Vandy? Probably. Miami hasn't played anyone as good as jawja or Tenn and Bama went 1-1 there. 

*Miami also strummed Gator who beat LSU and beat Ole Miss.

Neither team would really "deserve" to be in but you need 12.

Weird year. 

Edited November 24 by ztejas

[nbmishoid 977]

12 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Yeah idk about 2 loss Miami vs. 3 loss Bama. Last night was atrocious. I'm not saying Miami walks into Norman and wins but I'm guessing they find a way to put more than 3 pts on the board. 

Is the Ga Tech loss worse than Vandy? Probably. Miami hasn't played anyone as good as jawja or Tenn and Bama went 1-1 there. 

*Miami also strummed Gator who kicked the shit out of LSU and beat Ole Miss.

Neither team would really "deserve" to be in but you need 12.

Weird year. 

It sure is, and you make good points.  But no way Bama should be rewarded for that garbage.   Many teams had play in situations.  Bama’s fail was the most epic.  Also, just fuck Bama

[BigHorn'13 3,470]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Florida getting votes, LSU getting votes, Missouri being ranked, Alabama and Ole Miss in the top 15, this fucking conference is just living off of brand goodwill. None of those are good teams. Missouri is a bad team. Florida and LSU are bad teams. It’s pathetic. 

I think you meant to say "it just means more."

1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

Now that Texas is in the SEC, I am 100% onboard with SEC bias 

Don't be that guy.

Fuck this stupid ass redneck conference. 

49 minutes ago, WBT said:

Why?  We take care of our business and we'll always be fine.  Fuck the rest of them

This guy gets it. 

[Rimbo 26,712]

1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

The one team that ctj mentioned that I wouldn't is probably Missouri because I just don't trust them. But a lot of that is probably because I've watched them play multiple times

Edited November 24 by Rimbo

[JBJ 3,759]

Compiled thoughts:

1) There's an argument Oregon, Texas, and Ohio State have punched their tickets already.

2) The way it stands now, it's gonna be difficult to let a 3-loss team in.

3) The final two weeks of the B12 were/are drama-filled.  Arizona and Iowa State now control their own destiny after needing quite a bit of chaos this time last week.

Here's how my model projects the CFP and CCG odds:

[The_Great_Hornsby 3,585]

3 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Compiled thoughts:

1) There's an argument Oregon, Texas, and Ohio State have punched their tickets already.

2) The way it stands now, it's gonna be difficult to let a 3-loss team in.

3) The final two weeks of the B12 were/are drama-filled.  Arizona and Iowa State now control their own destiny after needing quite a bit of chaos this time last week.

Here's how my model projects the CFP and CCG odds:

Texas, Notre Dame, Oregon, and Ohio State have punched their tickets 100% at this point. 

[Hagbard Celine 11,111]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Florida getting votes, LSU getting votes, Missouri being ranked, Alabama and Ole Miss in the top 15, this fucking conference is just living off of brand goodwill. None of those are good teams. Missouri is a bad team. Florida and LSU are bad teams. It’s pathetic. 

florida is on the way up - they will be a solid bowl selection

[ztejas 44,094]

19 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Arizona and Iowa State

ASU and Iowa State*

Right? 

[UTexasFight 9,756]

5 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

florida is on the way up - they will be a solid bowl selection

For the non-playoff teams, Florida, South Carolina and Kansas are three teams I would not want to see in a bowl game. (Assuming Kansas can beat Baylor and get to one) 

Edited November 24 by UTexasFight

[Doc Sam Beckett 5,852]

16 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Compiled thoughts:

1) There's an argument Oregon, Texas, and Ohio State have punched their tickets already.

2) The way it stands now, it's gonna be difficult to let a 3-loss team in.

3) The final two weeks of the B12 were/are drama-filled.  Arizona and Iowa State now control their own destiny after needing quite a bit of chaos this time last week.

Here's how my model projects the CFP and CCG odds:

Said it before, but I'd like to see a second ACC team before a fourth Big 10 team, and maybe even a fourth SEC team. I would like Clemson/Scar to be for a spot in the playoffs. As much as I hate Scar, that's a scrappy team that I don't think anyone would want to play in the playoffs. If they beat Clemson and the SEC gets four teams in, it should be them over Bama, Ole Miss and the other scrubs that keep getting the benefit of the rankings 

[Drew 2,825]

1 minute ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Said it before, but I'd like to see a second ACC team before a fourth Big 10 team, and maybe even a fourth SEC team. I would like Clemson/Scar to be for a spot in the playoffs. As much as I hate Scar, that's a scrappy team that I don't think anyone would want to play in the playoffs. If they beat Clemson and the SEC gets four teams in, it should be them over Bama, Ole Miss and the other scrubs that keep getting the benefit of the rankings 

Oh I’m pretty sure a 2 loss Miami or Clemson gets in over a 4th SEC team for sure. Especially since there’s not a 4th SEC team with less than 3 losses 

[The_Great_Hornsby 3,585]

1 minute ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Said it before, but I'd like to see a second ACC team before a fourth Big 10 team, and maybe even a fourth SEC team. I would like Clemson/Scar to be for a spot in the playoffs. As much as I hate Scar, that's a scrappy team that I don't think anyone would want to play in the playoffs. If they beat Clemson and the SEC gets four teams in, it should be them over Bama, Ole Miss and the other scrubs that keep getting the benefit of the rankings 

Four Big 10 teams are getting in unless Indiana loses next week. SEC is going to push Bama as the 4th team, but I think Clemson has a great shot with a win over South Carolina. They have helmet power and a good SOS with a loss to Georgia. 

[Scuba Saba 34]

We are seeing the beta testing of an idea, 12 team playoff. I doubt anyone knew or foresaw the permutations and combinations that would occur.  To say nothing about the effects of the internecine warfare in the SEC. Ole Miss, God love them, is now DOA but better than the first or second Big 12 or ACC team.  

[Codaxx 6,128]

44 minutes ago, BigHorn'13 said:

I think you meant to say "it just means more."

Don't be that guy.

Fuck this stupid ass redneck conference. 

This guy gets it. 

I am that guy. If you want to give me extra perks. I am going to take it. CDC knows where I am coming from. 

[JBJ 3,759]

25 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Four Big 10 teams are getting in unless Indiana loses next week. SEC is going to push Bama as the 4th team, but I think Clemson has a great shot with a win over South Carolina. They have helmet power and a good SOS with a loss to Georgia. 

There's a good shot the winner of Clemson-South Carolina gets in with Bama first team out.

Edited November 24 by JBJ

[Cairn Horn88 8,500]

[Pato del Muerto 53,170]

If the committee puts bama at 13, they’ll need some upsets to happen ahead of them or for committee to just reverse itself a week later and move them up a couple spots. 
 

Carolina can do them a solid by beating Clemson, but they’d need something else because the b12 champ that will be behind them will get a spot. And I don’t think Tenn losing to vandy would do it because they’d have both lost to vandy and have 3 losses and so head to head. 

Edited November 24 by Pato del Muerto

[JBJ 3,759]

46 minutes ago, ztejas said:

ASU and Iowa State*

Right? 

Arizona State* and Iowa State control their own destinies.

[ztejas 44,094]

36 minutes ago, JBJ said:

There's a good shot the winner of Clemson-South Carolina gets in with Bama first team out.

Bama has the h2h over SCAR is the problem. 

But I think SCAR would be more deserving. They're playing some of the best ball in the SEC since that close Bama loss.

[Zeus 6,717]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCuStDPS3g_/?igsh=MWYxY2t1czVicng1eQ==
 

[WBT 20,832]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Bama has the h2h over SCAR is the problem. 

But I think SCAR would be more deserving. They're playing some of the best ball in the SEC since that close Bama loss.

They almost lost at home to Mizzou last week.  All these teams are up and down.  I generally don't buy arguments that teams are hot/improved at the end of the year and should be ranked higher.  The whole season counts.

[Zeus 6,717]

36 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Damn I know the record sucks but beating two top 20 teams in a row and no ranking for my gata?
 

Floridas losses are all against top 15 teams besides aggy. 
 

damn aggy going to fall out of the ranking after we beat them and we’re STILL going to be called overrated for playing all weaker SEC teams lol

[ztejas 44,094]

1 minute ago, WBT said:

They almost lost at home to Mizzou last week. 

Better than losing by 3 TDs in Norman. 

Agree the whole season counts but I think how a team is currently playing should also be a factor. 

[Zeus 6,717]

50 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I am that guy. If you want to give me extra perks. I am going to take it. CDC knows where I am coming from. 

Yep

 if people want to argue the big 10 is the best conference they can go fuck themselves. 
 

Indiana would have 5 losses in the sec, big 10 is a joke. 

it’s cool though we will see a bunch of sec teams go play away games up north and fuck these overrated retards up. 
 

Georgia to Pedo state

Tennessee to Indiana

 going to end up an all SEC championship game

 

[Dutchrudder 11,212]

1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Texas, Notre Dame, Oregon, and Ohio State have punched their tickets 100% at this point. 

Notre Dames SOS is very weak. Their best wins are A&M and Army, neither of which are playoff teams. Army has played zero good teams. If ND lost a conference championship game in 2 weeks, they could be left out, but alas they don't have the burden of a CCG and instead benefit from a cupcake schedule every year. 

[Codaxx 6,128]

4 minutes ago, Zeus said:

Yep

 if people want to argue the big 10 is the best conference they can go fuck themselves. 
 

Indiana would have 5 losses in the sec, big 10 is a joke. 

it’s cool though we will see a bunch of sec teams go play away games up north and fuck these overrated retards up. 
 

Georgia to Pedo state

Tennessee to Indiana

 going to end up an all SEC championship game

 

I am not advocating chanting S-E-C, but it’s just stupid to continue the fight against the SEC bias now. That is so last year 

Edited November 24 by Codaxx

[ztejas 44,094]

Good reddit comment re: SCAR vs. Bama - granted the source is biased.

[dcar00 14,867]

3 hours ago, RockyMountainHighHorn said:

Is there not a thread on here about just being excited to have guaranteed a spot in the playoffs? I know goals are higher but dang, we got in. 

Sir we will not rest until all of college football and the committee bows to our gloriousness and gives us 3 byes to the championship game as fair compensation for our complete dominance of the SECSECSEC.

Edited November 25 by dcar00

[The_Great_Hornsby 3,585]

1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Bama has the h2h over SCAR is the problem. 

But I think SCAR would be more deserving. They're playing some of the best ball in the SEC since that close Bama loss.

Does head to head matter as much when you are looking at 3 loss teams? Honest question. If you are analyzing two 1 loss teams, like last year, it makes perfect sense. But I would argue that 3 loss teams have much more variation in performance and a close loss in a H2H would be almost irrelevant to determining the better team. 

[The_Great_Hornsby 3,585]

1 hour ago, Dutchrudder said:

Notre Dames SOS is very weak. Their best wins are A&M and Army, neither of which are playoff teams. Army has played zero good teams. If ND lost a conference championship game in 2 weeks, they could be left out, but alas they don't have the burden of a CCG and instead benefit from a cupcake schedule every year. 

I completely agree. You will get no argument for me. Notre Dame is the most overrated team in CFB. At least overrated SEC teams win when they get to the playoff. Notre Dame just gets their breaks beaten off and then everyone forgets two days later and we are subjected to the same bullshit 1 year later. 

[Valmy77 13,554]

6 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

I completely agree. You will get no argument for me. Notre Dame is the most overrated team in CFB. At least overrated SEC teams win when they get to the playoff. Notre Dame just gets their breaks beaten off and then everyone forgets two days later and we are subjected to the same bullshit 1 year later. 

I guess. They made the playoffs twice. Sure they got destroyed by Clemson in 2018, but Clemson also destroyed Alabama. And sure they got destroyed by Alabama in 2020, but Alabama also destroyed Ohio State.

We'll see if this pattern continues but 2018 Clemson and 2020 Alabama were teams that just mauled everybody. I don't think we can expect them to face teams like that every single time in a 12 team playoff.

[The_Great_Hornsby 3,585]

Just now, Valmy77 said:

I guess. They made the playoffs twice. Sure they got destroyed by Clemson in 2018, but Clemson also destroyed Alabama. And sure they got destroyed by Alabama in 2020, but Alabama also destroyed Ohio State.

We'll see if this pattern continues but 2018 Clemson and 2020 Alabama were teams that just mauled everybody. I don't think we can expect them to face teams like that every single time in a 12 team playoff.

Dont forget that time we were subjected to an absolute fucking bloodbath of a national title game between Bama and the Notre Dame Catfish Kings (the fighting Manti Te'os). 

[ztejas 44,094]

18 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Does head to head matter as much when you are looking at 3 loss teams?

It shouldn't - but I bet it will be a discussion point. 
Especially when the team with the h2h W is Bama. 

[The_Great_Hornsby 3,585]

7 minutes ago, ztejas said:

It shouldn't - but I bet it will be a discussion point. 
Especially when the team with the h2h W is Bama. 

Yep, if it was the other way around they would be ignoring it and talking about how different the teams are since that game. 

[Valmy77 13,554]

10 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Dont forget that time we were subjected to an absolute fucking bloodbath of a national title game between Bama and the Notre Dame Catfish Kings (the fighting Manti Te'os). 

Ah yeah. That was pretty bad. 

Ok that is actually a pretty good example of what you are talking about because I definitely memory holed that one until you brought it up. That and the Bama vs LSU title game were unbelievably boring.