2024 CFB polls/rankings - Texas #3/ #4 /#4 (CFP/AP/Coaches)

[cmontexas 3331]

1 hour ago, Skipper said:

I would be pretty shocked if the committee jumped PSU over Texas after taking a loss in the SEC championship game while PSU sat on their ass at home. If we win Saturday I think either 2 or 6 slot depending on outcome of SEC championship is all but set in stone.

Exactly. 2 and 7 lineup in those Bowl quarterfinals. Im sure Sugar Bowl committee would be psyched to get Georgia trying to 99 Jaguars us. But if only 3 SEC teams are in they'll slot at 2, 6 and 9 to have a shot at 3 teams in the Semis

[Jiggy-Z 3506]

8 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

These people actually just copy me it’s insane

Championship game on the 20th of January. What a time to be alive.

The first 12 Superbowls were wraped up between the 9th and 18th of January prior to adding wild card weekend. SB13 through SB35 were still all in January.

College was done on Jan 1 except for all star games at one time back in the 80s.

[BurntOrange&White 41649]

2 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Championship game on the 20th of January. What a time to be alive.

The first 12 Superbowls were wraped up between the 9th and 18th of January prior to adding wild card weekend. SB13 through SB35 were still all in January.

College was done on Jan 1 except for all star games at one time back in the 80s.

It is pretty wild but I'll never be upset at the offseasons being shorter!

[immamac 44199]

11 hours ago, closetohumping said:

So if Ohio State loses to Michigan Saturday and to Oregon again they still make the playoffs? That's lame as fuck tbh.

This 12 team playoff actually seems way shittier than just expanding it to 8. We will see how it plays out though it could be cool to have a 9-12 ranked team make a deep run, although I don't think there will ever be a case where one of the top 4 doesn't win. 

[closetohumping 17778]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

So if Ohio State loses to Michigan Saturday and to Oregon again they still make the playoffs? That's lame as fuck tbh.

This 12 team playoff actually seems way shittier than just expanding it to 8. We will see how it plays out though it could be cool to have a 9-12 ranked team make a deep run, although I don't think there will ever be a case where one of the top 4 doesn't win. 

 

Thinking it’s based on the sec/big second place team is guaranteed a seat at the table 

[BurntOrange&White 41649]

3 minutes ago, immamac said:

So if Ohio State loses to Michigan Saturday and to Oregon again they still make the playoffs? That's lame as fuck tbh.

This 12 team playoff actually seems way shittier than just expanding it to 8. We will see how it plays out though it could be cool to have a 9-12 ranked team make a deep run, although I don't think there will ever be a case where one of the top 4 doesn't win. 

IMO the byes is what makes it seem so shitty. Expand the bitch to 16 with no byes. Far better....top 8 seeds host 1st round. The byes make it to where seeding is all fucked and stupid.

Edited November 27 by BurntOrange&White

[Pimphand 6266]

34 minutes ago, immamac said:

So if Ohio State loses to Michigan Saturday and to Oregon again they still make the playoffs? That's lame as fuck tbh.

This 12 team playoff actually seems way shittier than just expanding it to 8. We will see how it plays out though it could be cool to have a 9-12 ranked team make a deep run, although I don't think there will ever be a case where one of the top 4 doesn't win. 

They would lose to Michigan and Pedo State or Indiana would go face the Ducks not the Suckeyes.

[Pimphand 6266]

[Skipper 6406]

27 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

IMO the byes is what makes it seem so shitty. Expand the bitch to 16 with no byes. Far better....top 8 seeds host 1st round. The byes make it to where seeding is all fucked and stupid.

The byes are the only thing keeping the conference championship games alive and no doubt you will get continued commentary around cancelling those regardless.  I'm coming around to the idea of an expanded 16 team playoff and pod system in SEC/BIG where last 2 weeks of regular season effectively become conference playoff.  4 pod winners advance (other 2 seeds play 2 seeds, etc) and mini 4 team SEC/BIG playoff for seeding where all 4 teams that win their pod are guaranteed a spot.  Then your 2 seeds still playing for potential at large spots.  Lots of details/logistics to work out with that model but it seems to have potential.   As the current conference championship game with unbalanced schedules and crazy tiebreakers (with coaches already publicly questioning whether it's worth it) may not last much longer.

I mean look at PSU.  They get another cakewalk this week then get to rest of for a guaranteed home playoff game.

 

[BurntOrange&White 41649]

Just now, Skipper said:

The byes are the only thing keeping the conference championship games alive and no doubt you will get continued commentary around cancelling those regardless.  I'm coming around to the idea of an expanded 16 team playoff and pod system in SEC/BIG where last 2 weeks of regular season effectively become conference playoff.  4 pod winners advance (other 2 seeds play 2 seeds, etc) and mini 4 team SEC/BIG playoff for seeding where all 4 teams that win their pod are guaranteed a spot.  Then your 2 seeds still playing for potential at large spots.  Lots of details/logistics to work out with that model but it seems to have potential.   As the current conference championship game with unbalanced schedules and crazy tiebreakers (with coaches already publicly questioning whether it's worth it) may not last much longer.

I mean look at PSU.  They get another cakewalk this week then get to rest of for a guaranteed home playoff game.

 

Networks are whats keeping the CCGs alive IMO. They want that extra game because they generally bring big ratings. 

In the 16 team format it would be auto bids to the CCG participants to ensure the CCG still means something.  BIG/SEC are pushing for 4 autos moving forward. 

[Skipper 6406]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Networks are whats keeping the CCGs alive IMO. They want that extra game because they generally bring big ratings. 

In the 16 team format it would be auto bids to the CCG participants to ensure the CCG still means something.  BIG/SEC are pushing for 4 autos moving forward. 

Championship games are 100% money grabs.  That is obvious.  But if you take away the potential for a bye they are done.  An auto bid (without a bye) would mean absolutely nothing in the BIG/SEC as the conference champ is already getting a playoff bid.  

[closetojumping 65246]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Networks are whats keeping the CCGs alive IMO. They want that extra game because they generally bring big ratings. 

In the 16 team format it would be auto bids to the CCG participants to ensure the CCG still means something.  BIG/SEC are pushing for 4 autos moving forward. 

They're "pushing" rope, right now. The SEC may not even get 4 teams in this cycle if merit matters and chalks win out. The 4 autobid thing makes a lot more sense with 16 teams. 

[Zeus 6753]

11 hours ago, ztejas said:

Committe loves them some fucking Miami for whatever reason. 

I guess it benefits SMU for them to be as high as possible. 

Yeah it's pretty crazy, they won a lot of games by a cunt hair at the very end. 

They are going to get smacked in the mouth by SMU. 

[Zeus 6753]

51 minutes ago, immamac said:

So if Ohio State loses to Michigan Saturday and to Oregon again they still make the playoffs? That's lame as fuck tbh.

This 12 team playoff actually seems way shittier than just expanding it to 8. We will see how it plays out though it could be cool to have a 9-12 ranked team make a deep run, although I don't think there will ever be a case where one of the top 4 doesn't win. 

Actually what is more bullshit is Indiana. 

[BurntOrange&White 41649]

Just now, closetojumping said:

They're "pushing" rope, right now. The SEC may not even get 4 teams in this cycle if merit matters and chalks win out. The 4 autobid thing makes a lot more sense with 16 teams. 

1 minute ago, Skipper said:

Championship games are 100% money grabs.  That is obvious.  But if you take away the potential for a bye they are done.  An auto bid (without a bye) would mean absolutely nothing in the BIG/SEC as the conference champ is already getting a playoff bid.  

Hosting an opening round playoff game is easy. This is the simplest 16 model that would be best for everyone:

P4 CCG participants get Autobids

A potential 16 team format using guesses on CCG participants + current CFP rankings

 

 

 

 

[BigHornedLurker 2109]

57 minutes ago, immamac said:

So if Ohio State loses to Michigan Saturday and to Oregon again they still make the playoffs? That's lame as fuck tbh.

This 12 team playoff actually seems way shittier than just expanding it to 8. We will see how it plays out though it could be cool to have a 9-12 ranked team make a deep run, although I don't think there will ever be a case where one of the top 4 doesn't win. 

I read this as there is a 2% chance that OSU loses to Michigan bad enough AND enough other teams don't lose for it to matter 

[Pimphand 6266]

6 minutes ago, Zeus said:

Yeah it's pretty crazy, they won a lot of games by a cunt hair at the very end. 

They are going to get smacked in the mouth by SMU. 

That is if Syracuse doesn't beat them this weekend. Syracuse +11 seems like a fucking lock to me given its in New York in damn near December.

[Pimphand 6266]

14 minutes ago, Zeus said:

Actually what is more bullshit is Indiana. 

If we are in the playoff which odds are high don't we want shitty teams there too?

[GreenspointTexas 9933]

Auto bids are and always have been, fucking regarded

[kevwun 16269]

47 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Championship games are 100% money grabs.  That is obvious.  But if you take away the potential for a bye they are done.  An auto bid (without a bye) would mean absolutely nothing in the BIG/SEC as the conference champ is already getting a playoff bid.  

It's really dumb for a conference to shoot one of it's top teams in the dick right before the playoffs.  Knocking that team down in the standings also really hurts your bubble teams.  That's what is going to get the conference championship games done away with.

Edited November 27 by kevwun

[JBJ 3780]

Just now, kevwun said:

It's really dumb to shoot one of your top teams in the dick right before the playoffs.  That's what is going to get the conference championship games done away with.

This is less true now than anytime in the history of football.

[kevwun 16269]

Texas and Georgia would both be getting top 6 seeds if they win out.  Instead one of them is going to get dinged because they lost the conference championship game.  The same thing will happen to Oregon and Ohio St.  That's not the in the best interest of the conferences.

Edited November 27 by kevwun

[JBJ 3780]

a) Lot's of people saying OSU and Texas would be in a better playoff position if they lose one of the next two games.

b) In the past, CCGs literally cost teams spots in the playoff or major bowls.  CCGs are less impactful now, not more.

[kevwun 16269]

They still have a negative impact though.  Players will get hurt and losing teams will go down in the standings right before the playoffs.  There is no point in having them when there is a 12 team playoff outside of money.  Everything else is a negative.

Edited November 27 by kevwun

[89Horn 1735]

24 minutes ago, kevwun said:

It's really dumb for a conference to shoot one of it's top teams in the dick right before the playoffs.  Knocking that team down in the standings also really hurts your bubble teams.  That's what is going to get the conference championship games done away with.

Exactly.  You shoot your dick early in the season and give it time to heal.  With time, everyone forgets it even happened no matter how embarrassing it was. 
- Notre Dame

[David Dennison 19441]

1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Auto bids are and always have been, fucking regarded

The playoff should be only auto bids. No committee. 

Figure it out.

[David Dennison 19441]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

They're "pushing" rope, right now. The SEC may not even get 4 teams in this cycle if merit matters and chalks win out. The 4 autobid thing makes a lot more sense with 16 teams. 

Do you really think the SEC isn't going to get four teams?

Really?

[markstanco 12773]

11 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Not necessarily. If Ohio state beats Oregon it would most likely be this:

 

1 Ohio State

5 Oregon

6 Penn St

7 Texas

 

I Think our max is 2 with SEC championship 

Unless (unlikely) Michigan beats osu, the osu beats oregon by a a score. Then there is a chance for the #1 seed. 

[BurntOrange&White 41649]

1 minute ago, markstanco said:

Unless (unlikely) Michigan beats osu, the osu beats oregon by a a score. Then there is a chance for the #1 seed. 

Agree...just don't know how committee will view Texas vs Ohio St

[Js1 86939]

6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Agree...just don't know how committee will view Texas vs Ohio St

Depends how far Ohio State would drop after losing to 6-5 Michigan.  Would be hard for them to leapfrog #2 Texas, who won 6 in a row and beat top 20 aggy and top 10 Georgia back to back.

Alabama dropped 6 spots after losing to OU, so they could drop down to 7-9 and then have to leapfrog a bunch of teams to get the 1 seed, likely including the SEC and ACC CCG winners who only have 1 loss 

Edited November 27 by Js1

[Js1 86939]

 

[BigHornedLurker 2109]

People looking for the magic metrics that makes this makes sense need to look outside football. 

It's called money , whether from clicks looking into manufactured outrage or targeting viewership numbers these 2 are the numbers that make everything make sense 

 

[jimmyjazz 46976]

17 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Depends how far Ohio State would drop after losing to 6-5 Michigan.  Would be hard for them to leapfrog #2 Texas, who won 6 in a row and beat top 20 aggy and top 10 Georgia back to back.

. . . and who beat the crap out of Michigan.

[thunderlounge 8318]

11 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Miami is the only team that's way over-ranked IMO. I think they should be out if they lose another game. 

Their schedule is complete shit and they would have 2 losses. 

 

ND and Pedo St would like a word.

 

[The Dog 44771]

[ATXhorn17 1676]

The Texas secondary would do horrible, terrible things to Miami and Cam Ward… I would love that draw. 

[Drew 2833]

4 minutes ago, ATXhorn17 said:

The Texas secondary would do horrible, terrible things to Miami and Cam Ward… I would love that draw. 

Oh yeah the draw of ND/SMU winner and Miami/Penn st? Winner would be incredibly lucky for us.  Oregon/OSU/Gorgia in the Title game.

[Codaxx 6214]

2 hours ago, Zeus said:

Actually what is more bullshit is Indiana. 

100%. If they lose to Purdue, I would not even consider them for the playoffs. They would never do it, but I wish they would just put Vegas guys on the committee

Edited November 27 by Codaxx

[closetojumping 65246]

2 hours ago, Pimphand said:

That is if Syracuse doesn't beat them this weekend. Syracuse +11 seems like a fucking lock to me given its in New York in damn near December.

Syracuse plays in a dome. 

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Agree...just don't know how committee will view Texas vs Ohio St

 

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Depends how far Ohio State would drop after losing to 6-5 Michigan.  Would be hard for them to leapfrog #2 Texas, who won 6 in a row and beat top 20 aggy and top 10 Georgia back to back.

Alabama dropped 6 spots after losing to OU, so they could drop down to 7-9 and then have to leapfrog a bunch of teams to get the 1 seed, likely including the SEC and ACC CCG winners who only have 1 loss 

If Michigan somehow beats Ohio State, they don’t make the Big 10 title game. Indiana and PSU both have one conference loss and one of them goes. 

[closetojumping 65246]

1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

100%. If they lose to Purdue, I would not even consider them for the playoffs. Wish they would just put Vegas guys on the committee

You have a better chance of bedding Melania Trump and Kamala Harris in a threesome tonight than Purdue does of beating Indiana. Purdue is the worst P4 team in the country. Mississippi State, Florida State and Okie State would each beat Purdue by 3 touchdowns. 

[JBJ 3780]

7 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

100%. If they lose to Purdue, I would not even consider them for the playoffs. They would never do it, but I wish they would just put Vegas guys on the committee

Vegas has Indiana -1.5 over PSU in a hypothetical.  Indiana is a good team.

[Codaxx 6214]

Just now, JBJ said:

Vegas has Indiana -1.5 over PSU in a hypothetical.  Indiana is a good team.

I am not a fan of either to be honest, but no way they leave PSU out. Name is too big. Sagarin has PSU SOS about 30 slots higher. Committee would never bring in Vegas guys. Would be interesting to see Vegas's top 12 though

[BigHornedLurker 2109]

13 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You have a better chance of bedding Melania Trump and Kamala Harris in a threesome tonight than Purdue does of beating Indiana. Purdue is the worst P4 team in the country. Mississippi State, Florida State and Okie State would each beat Purdue by 3 touchdowns. 

[dcar00 14902]

3 hours ago, Skipper said:

The byes are the only thing keeping the conference championship games alive and no doubt you will get continued commentary around cancelling those regardless.  I'm coming around to the idea of an expanded 16 team playoff and pod system in SEC/BIG where last 2 weeks of regular season effectively become conference playoff.  4 pod winners advance (other 2 seeds play 2 seeds, etc) and mini 4 team SEC/BIG playoff for seeding where all 4 teams that win their pod are guaranteed a spot.  Then your 2 seeds still playing for potential at large spots.  Lots of details/logistics to work out with that model but it seems to have potential.   As the current conference championship game with unbalanced schedules and crazy tiebreakers (with coaches already publicly questioning whether it's worth it) may not last much longer.

I mean look at PSU.  They get another cakewalk this week then get to rest of for a guaranteed home playoff game.

 

the conf champ game is a complete custerfuck now.  lots of teams have big rivalry games end of year, then a week later conf game against an almost assured top 10 team.  and it could be a rematch with even another rematch potentially in the playoffs.

the only other reason besides the bye to keep the conf champ game is that it makes teams feel better about scheduling a decent OOC.

 

[BurntEyes 6199]

3 hours ago, Skipper said:

The byes are the only thing keeping the conference championship games alive and no doubt you will get continued commentary around cancelling those regardless.  I'm coming around to the idea of an expanded 16 team playoff and pod system in SEC/BIG where last 2 weeks of regular season effectively become conference playoff.  4 pod winners advance (other 2 seeds play 2 seeds, etc) and mini 4 team SEC/BIG playoff for seeding where all 4 teams that win their pod are guaranteed a spot.  Then your 2 seeds still playing for potential at large spots.  Lots of details/logistics to work out with that model but it seems to have potential.   As the current conference championship game with unbalanced schedules and crazy tiebreakers (with coaches already publicly questioning whether it's worth it) may not last much longer.

I mean look at PSU.  They get another cakewalk this week then get to rest of for a guaranteed home playoff game.

 

This is what I predicted years ago, and IMO make way more sense.

I THOUGHT they'd go from 4-8. In the 4-8 transition the CCG winners get home field first round. Then second round championships use the big bowls.

Essentially I thought that model would then morph into 16 and your model.

I was wrong on the process but still believe ultimately it's where we end up.

19 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You have a better chance of bedding Melania Trump and Kamala Harris in a threesome tonight than Purdue does of beating Indiana. Purdue is the worst P4 team in the country. Mississippi State, Florida State and Okie State would each beat Purdue by 3 touchdowns. 

So you're saying there's a chance. Man, I really hope they let me take video if it comes to pass.

[BurntEyes 6199]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

the conf champ game is a complete custerfuck now.  lots of teams have big rivalry games end of year, then a week later conf game against an almost assured top 10 team.  and it could be a rematch with even another rematch potentially in the playoffs.

the only other reason besides the bye to keep the conf champ game is that it makes teams feel better about scheduling a decent OOC.

 

I'd love, at some point, if non-FCS wins were removed from consideration completely for wins and SOS. However, to really drive the point home make losses count against their win loss record and SOS.

[heso 2848]

30 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Syracuse plays in a dome. 

 

If Michigan somehow beats Ohio State, they don’t make the Big 10 title game. Indiana and PSU both have one conference loss and one of them goes. 

Psu has the tie breaker over IU. 

[JBJ 3780]

There are so many different ways to calculate SoS.  It's usually a meaningless rank and people definitely shop around for the one they want to make an argument.

[Drew 2833]

39 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You have a better chance of bedding Melania Trump and Kamala Harris in a threesome tonight than Purdue does of beating Indiana. Purdue is the worst P4 team in the country. Mississippi State, Florida State and Okie State would each beat Purdue by 3 touchdowns. 

[dcar00 14902]

3 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Auto bids are and always have been, fucking regarded

this.  

 

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

 

this dude is an idiot...that last statement is fucking ridiculous. 

Edited November 27 by dcar00