2024 CFB polls/rankings - Texas #3/ #4 /#4 (CFP/AP/Coaches)

[Huckleberry 34189]

7 minutes ago, Zeus said:

What happens if you only run it with the top 4 conferences?

1. SEC, 528-288, 0.647
2. Big Ten, 432-450, 0.490
3. Big 12, 374-442, 0.459
4. ACC, 348-502, 0.409
 

[F250 29122]

13 minutes ago, Zeus said:

 

these are the schools that matter

 the committee are just stooges that have to argue why these specific teams always seem to get the benefit of doubt and leap others

 

 my two favorite schools are in so I’m all for it lol fuck the other schools

 

 South Carolina deserved it over Alabama but it’s not worth bitching about

 

 tech coach bitching like a bitch saying big 12 team playing for the sec title blah blah blah shut the fuck up

This graphic doesn't make sense. I don't see The world class fighting texas aggys listed.

 

[B00M 6695]

7 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

1. SEC, 528-288, 0.647
2. Big Ten, 432-450, 0.490
3. Big 12, 374-442, 0.459
4. ACC, 348-502, 0.409
 

Exactly what this season felt like 

[Had Enough 2096]

45 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Arkansas actually has a good offense. No idea if better.

OFEI and FPI Offensive efficiency have Arkansas in the 40s, which have Arkansas defense ranked higher than their offense. Georgia top 10 in both offensively.  If you believe in such things.

[B00M 6695]

@Huckleberry bring back adjusted stats please lol 

[Rex Kramer 1514]

2 hours ago, statsman said:

With a win, Texas’ first game would be the quarterfinal. CFP says they will try to match the conference champs with their traditional bowl- so Texas would go to the Sugar Bowl as SEC champ. 
 
After the quarterfinals, the top remaining seed picks its preferred site for a semifinal game

from the two choices: Cotton and Orange. I assume that if Texas gets the choice, it will be the Cotton Bowl game (Arlington). If Texas’ opponent chooses, it will be the Orange Bowl. 

Cotton Bowl versus SMU would be insane for Dallas. 

[Zeus 6717]

7 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Cotton Bowl versus SMU would be insane for Dallas. 

There’s an algorithm and group of people with monetary interests that will be seeding everyone just right. It may not make sense but it’s going to be fun

[Hank_Hill 19489]

34 minutes ago, F250 said:

This graphic doesn't make sense. I don't see The world class fighting texas aggys listed.

 

They’re all at the game, sip 

[dcar00 14867]

 basically, no one in the ACC or Big 12 could afford a 2 in the loss column and be an at large.  maybe Clemson

[chainsaw 10210]

16 minutes ago, Zeus said:

There’s an algorithm and group of people with monetary interests that will be seeding everyone just right. It may not make sense but it’s going to be fun

This. I want it to be more Dana White (what are the most interesting matchups that will make the best "fights") and less Oscars (treating CFP and seeding as a sort of achievement award)

[Pato del Muerto 53190]

1 hour ago, Zeus said:

 

these are the schools that matter

 the committee are just stooges that have to argue why these specific teams always seem to get the benefit of doubt and leap others

 

 my two favorite schools are in so I’m all for it lol fuck the other schools

 

 South Carolina deserved it over Alabama but it’s not worth bitching about

 

 tech coach bitching like a bitch saying big 12 team playing for the sec title blah blah blah shut the fuck up

This can’t be correct, no aggy. 

[UTexasFight 9758]

3 hours ago, statsman said:

With a win, Texas’ first game would be the quarterfinal. CFP says they will try to match the conference champs with their traditional bowl- so Texas would go to the Sugar Bowl as SEC champ. 
 
After the quarterfinals, the top remaining seed picks its preferred site for a semifinal game

from the two choices: Cotton and Orange. I assume that if Texas gets the choice, it will be the Cotton Bowl game (Arlington). If Texas’ opponent chooses, it will be the Orange Bowl. 

Where do you see this?

I’ve only seen “highest seed” (e.g. Oregon unless they lose Saturday). Nothing I’ve seen says “highest remaining seed”.

 

[Hagbard Celine 11113]

4 hours ago, The Dog said:

And they'll drop Penn State behind Domer if Oregon wins, giving the fucking Domers the 5 seed.

Nobody is getting the benefit of the doubt more than those assholes. They haven't beaten anyone worth a crap and they lost AT HOME to a 7-5 MAC team.

i thought this too until i clicked through on the sagarin rankings yesterday

they're #1 ahead of us at #2

[Halohal 519]

Trolling?

 

[Huckleberry 34189]

35 minutes ago, UTexasFight said:

Where do you see this?

I’ve only seen “highest seed” (e.g. Oregon unless they lose Saturday). Nothing I’ve seen says “highest remaining seed”.

 

Are you asking if Oregon (or whoever is the #1 seed) would get to choose who plays where in the semifinals even if they lose in their quarterfinal? I'm going to guess that no, they would not. So it's pretty clearly the highest remaining seed. 

Edited December 4 by Huckleberry

[Jkwellborn 6972]

In case you guys are wondering why SEC teams still play FCS cupcakes in November, this is why:
 

That’s old news. We’ve known that for years. It’s the $ec way.

[Jkwellborn 6972]

Yep. Still makes no sense why they hover in the last 5-6 spots. They fucking suck

Yeah, the fact that aggy destroyed them should be proof. But gotta sec sec sec.

[Wulaw Horn 19517]

So I had a loss for us dropping us to 6 behind ND, but I think we might stay 5th. That means we get 12 and 4 which are auto qualifiers and won’t be SEC teams. Helps avoid conferences playing each other early. 
Texas v Big 12

PSU v Bama 

ND v Indiana

Tn v Ohio state
 

that would all make sense. 

[Pam Cummings 9805]

Alabama has no business in the playoffs. I hate the rankings and am just glad that our team did what they needed to do and didn't leave it up to a bunch of weird ever-changing standards.

[CBHorn 441]

Just wanted to remind everyone here that we will be in our second consecutive playoff and all the other teams can go to hell. I'm not wishing good for any of them. Screw the other SEC teams, Notre Dame and their NIU loss, the Big 12 losers, the Miami trash, the slow ass B1G and all the other garbage.

And a bonus for aggy sitting at home watching us play in Atlanta for an SEC championship in our first year after we went to their overrated tackle box and denied them the opportunity to make it to their first championship game and resolutely knocked them out a chance to make their first playoff. Plus we beat OU's sorrow ass and piggy. All is right with the world.

Edited December 4 by CBHorn

[satyanash 15225]

[satyanash 15225]

 

[The_Great_Hornsby 3585]

2 minutes ago, satyanash said:

 

Florida State was warmed over dog shit and got correctly left out. Their QB that was their entire team broke his leg. Committee leaving out a healthy FSU team wouldve been a different story. 

[Pam Cummings 9805]

8 minutes ago, satyanash said:

I'm not so sure that Alabama is better than Syracuse. Seriously, it's embarrassing.

[po elvis 2137]

49 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Alabama has no business in the playoffs. I hate the rankings and am just glad that our team did what they needed to do and didn't leave it up to a bunch of weird ever-changing standards.

Well none of the bubble teams have any business in the playoffs, but one of them has to go in. Almost all of the 80 computer and human polls believe that Bama should be the one that goes in.

[Pam Cummings 9805]

15 minutes ago, po elvis said:

Well none of the bubble teams have any business in the playoffs, but one of them has to go in. Almost all of the 80 computer and human polls believe that Bama should be the one that goes in.

Miami lost to Geogia Tech(objectively good team, should have beaten Georgia) by 5 and a good Syracuse team by 3. Both road games. The only reason the ACC isn't seen as a better conference is due to SEC bias and preseason rankings. Seriously, Mizzou fucking sucks. It's not some great win. Yet they were ranked all year and get pumped as a "ranked win" by the SEC teams.

 

Meanwhile Alabama lost more games than Miami and wasn't even competitive against a bad OU team. Alabama isn't that good.

Edited December 4 by Pam Cummings

[The_Great_Hornsby 3585]

11 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Miami lost to Geogia Tech(objectively good team, should have beaten Georgia) by 5 and a good Syracuse team by 3. Both road games. The only reason the ACC isn't seen as a better conference is due to SEC bias and preseason rankings. Seriously, Mizzou fucking sucks. It's not some great win. Yet they were ranked all year and get pumped as a "ranked win" by the SEC teams.

 

Meanwhile Alabama lost more games than Miami and wasn't even competitive against a bad OU team. Alabama isn't that good.

Are you fucking kidding me? You think Syracuse and Bama are interchangeable? Texas would chokeslam Syracuse. Bama has the potential to beat Texas in a game, Syracuse doesnt. The SEC is way better than the ACC and that isnt bias, it is just fact. 

 

Also, Miami is a 4 loss team on Bama's schedule.

Edited December 4 by The_Great_Hornsby

[Js1 86413]

 

You guys actually meet for days and come up with these rankings??

@CFBPlayoff

Do you actually watch the quality of players, teams, and road environments (we played in one of yours this year ) or just try and make the ACC feel relevant ?? Btw one of your teams paid us not to play again next year. Same #12 spot you guys had Clemson ranked last week. How did that go against the

@SEC

??? Rewatch UGA Clemson closely if you want a reminder of the two conferences. #SpotTheBall anywhere

@ACCFootball

#RemeberTakeAKnee

Edited December 4 by Js1

['stache 22088]

10 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

1. SEC, 528-288, 0.647
2. Big Ten, 432-450, 0.490
3. Big 12, 374-442, 0.459
4. ACC, 348-502, 0.409
 

Pollard has a legitimate point. The 9th Big 12 game is a significant boost to the SOS but is meaningless to the committee which reasons around anything that doesn’t support their preferred outcome. Bama is in for TV ratings, period, regardless of whatever bs they give as their reasoning. It sucks for competition but realignment proved that money is all that matters anymore in CFB and there’s no reason to act surprised or get angry.

I just kind of wish they’d be honest about it instead of always using bs inconsistent reasoning. Here’s all they had to say “Considering Bamas historic popularity and success including their run over the last 15 years, they receive a significant benefit of any doubt. The financial boon they bring to the system benefits everyone so they get the nod.”

[Js1 86413]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

I just kind of wish they’d be honest about it instead of always using bs inconsistent reasoning. Here’s all they had to say “Considering Bamas historic popularity and success including their run over the last 15 years, they receive a significant benefit of any doubt. The financial boon they bring to the system benefits everyone so they get the nod.”

"Bama brings eyeballs.  We like money.  The end." 

[satyanash 15225]

Iowa State's athletic director and SMU's athletic director are currently having a slapfight on Twitter:

 

[B00M 6695]

 

24 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Miami lost to Geogia Tech(objectively good team, should have beaten Georgia) by 5 and a good Syracuse team by 3. Both road games. The only reason the ACC isn't seen as a better conference is due to SEC bias and preseason rankings. Seriously, Mizzou fucking sucks. It's not some great win. Yet they were ranked all year and get pumped as a "ranked win" by the SEC teams.

 

Meanwhile Alabama lost more games than Miami and wasn't even competitive against a bad OU team. Alabama isn't that good.

Put OU in the ACC this year. You really think they go 6-6 and lose to powerhouses like *checks notes* Duke and SMU? 

 

[Pam Cummings 9805]

21 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Are you fucking kidding me? You think Syracuse and Bama are interchangeable? Texas would chokeslam Syracuse. Bama has the potential to beat Texas in a game, Syracuse doesnt. The SEC is way better than the ACC and that isnt bias, it is just fact. 

 

Also, Miami is a 4 loss team on Bama's schedule.

Dude. They got absolutely smoked by a bad OU team. At a time where they knew they couldnt lose. Do you watch games or just blindly think Bama is some good team?

Edited December 4 by Pam Cummings

[Pam Cummings 9805]

6 minutes ago, B00M said:

 

Put OU in the ACC this year. You really think they go 6-6 and lose to powerhouses like *checks notes* Duke and SMU? 

 

.....yes? Did you watch OU this year? They are an objectively bad football team.

[The Dog 44650]

12 hours ago, satyanash said:

So in other words, Alabama is just 3-2 against teams below .500 while Miami is 6-0. Warde Manuel is a complete idiot.

 

It's a committee. They have to come to a consensus on what the tiebreaker should be and this is what they decided on. 

So he's not an idiot - he's just relaying the message that this was what they ultimately decided was the tiebreaker. 

12 hours ago, Skipper said:

For everyone bitching about Bama, who in the fuck should be ranked ahead of them?  I'm sorry - they are MUCH more deserving than fucking Miami.  It was pretty straight forward from my perspective. 

The real test is what they do if Clemson beats SMU.

Huck mentioned this but Bama is ahead of all of Miami, Ole Miss, and USCe in the vast majority of computer rankings: https://masseyratings.com/ranks?s=cf

You can certainly find a few that do not - for example, game control is one of their metrics and Ole Miss is ahead of Alabama in that: https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/resume/sort/resume.gamecontrolrank/dir/asc

I think SMU gets left out if they lose. They have the same problems that Miami does - not enough quality wins. 

12 hours ago, dcar00 said:

ND's SOS sucks and their loss is to a MAC team who is 7-5 at Home and their biggest win is aggy.   we would have 2 losses to the SEC champ.  by every available metric other than loss column we should be #5 but Notre Dame will get it because...reasons and get a walk to the semis

ND should be lower with that NIU loss but they are still a 1 loss team AND the computers love them. Also #3 in game control. 

14 hours ago, Js1 said:

 the only teams that can jump Bama in the final rankings are Clemson or ASU. 

 

I could have sworn that he walked this back a bit afterwards. Saying that "the games this weekend will have an impact on the teams that are not playing." Reese flipped his shit when that happened.

Keep in mind that Georgia is kind of the key to all of this - their win over us and their losses to Bama and Ole Miss is doing a LOT of heavy lifting IMHO.

I think there's a chance if we beat UGA that the perception of all of the SEC teams involved will change. 

 

Edited December 4 by The Dog

[Js1 86413]

6 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

.....yes? Did you watch OU this year? They are an objectively bad football team.

I mean, the OU team that lost to LSU by 2 TD, lost to fucking paper tiger Mizzou, almost lost to Auburn, scored 3 points against Texas, 26 point loss to SoCar, and almost lost to Houston? 

Most likely would have lost to SMU, Duke, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, Miami.  

The Bama game is a total outlier.  It says nothing about OU and everything about Bama either overlooking OU or just not preparing well for them. 

[WBT 20835]

16 minutes ago, B00M said:

 

Put OU in the ACC this year. You really think they go 6-6 and lose to powerhouses like *checks notes* Duke and SMU? 

 

Yes?

[kevwun 16097]

Whiny Kiffin is not amusing.  Maybe don't lose to 3 mediocre to bad conference teams next time Lane.

[Zeus 6717]

50 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Miami lost to Geogia Tech(objectively good team, should have beaten Georgia) by 5 and a good Syracuse team by 3. Both road games. The only reason the ACC isn't seen as a better conference is due to SEC bias and preseason rankings. Seriously, Mizzou fucking sucks. It's not some great win. Yet they were ranked all year and get pumped as a "ranked win" by the SEC teams.

 

Meanwhile Alabama lost more games than Miami and wasn't even competitive against a bad OU team. Alabama isn't that good.

 

Which is why we should want Alabama in

Easier win, more clout from beating them.

they will probably win the first round and face either us or another of the top 4

[B00M 6695]

15 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

.....yes? Did you watch OU this year? They are an objectively bad football team.

And one of these schedules is objectively MUCH harder than the other. An objectively bad team going 6-6 against that schedule is going, at worst, 8-4 against the other. 

 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8947]

I’m sure it’s been brought up but the funny thing is how someone left out is going to be unhappy after letting in 12 teams. Soon it’ll be 48 but the 49th and 50th will be measuring who had the 4-6 best losses

[Js1 86413]

Never forget this iconic Gene Smith quote from 2021:

During a press conference at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center on Wednesday, Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith said he would not favor hosting a CFP game at the Shoe in bad weather. Instead, Smith would recommend playing the game at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, believing it would be better for the Buckeyes to play the game in a “clean environment.”

“I don't want a hard surface for the players,” Smith said. “And I know the fans would love to have it in the Shoe and maybe it’s snowing or we’re playing whoever, but that surface is a whole new ballgame. And I would prefer to have the indoor elements and have a clean field. If it was this year, I would want (Ohio State quarterback C.J. Stroud) to have good weather. It’s just that simple.”

Enjoy your December game at The Shoe - I hope it's a blizzard. 

[MrX 777]

Clemson wins and the committee takes the easy way out and keeps SMU in the field, eliminating the three loss SEC teams altogether. It would also dilute the field in our favor. 
 

Lol jk Bama is getting in. 

[po elvis 2137]

1 hour ago, Pam Cummings said:

Miami lost to Geogia Tech(objectively good team, should have beaten Georgia) by 5 and a good Syracuse team by 3. Both road games. The only reason the ACC isn't seen as a better conference is due to SEC bias and preseason rankings. Seriously, Mizzou fucking sucks. It's not some great win. Yet they were ranked all year and get pumped as a "ranked win" by the SEC teams.

 

Meanwhile Alabama lost more games than Miami and wasn't even competitive against a bad OU team. Alabama isn't that good.

I don't believe that Bama is a great team. They don't have to be to be considered the 11th best team in the country. I think it is funny to try and pump up any teams on the bubble as if they are definitely better than any of the other teams on the bubble. The committee should just say we are going to put 6 teams in a hat and choose that way so it is fair.

['stache 22088]

55 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Iowa State's athletic director and SMU's athletic director are currently having a slapfight on Twitter:

 

I wonder if the SMU ad will feel the same if they lose and Bama is on over them. The committee should consider SMU a one loss team regardless since Bama gets to sit at home after letting Jackson Arnold drag his mediocre nuts across their faces. But like I said before they bring the ratings and the committee should just be honest about it.

[Park Gothic 5291]

1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Florida State was warmed over dog shit and got correctly left out. Their QB that was their entire team broke his leg. Committee leaving out a healthy FSU team wouldve been a different story. 

You're right, but the issue is one of perception. An objective observer can see that without their QB, FSU was not one of the 4 best teams in the country and the committee has been very clear that their goal is to select the 4 best teams (not the most deserving). But college football fans are famousy incapable of being objective, and at its basic level the whole ranking system is a dog-and-pony show. You have to maintain credibility in order to keep your audience - look at what happened to boxing when people figured out how rigged the whole sport is. If you don't manage fan's perspectives then you risk them moving on to some other sport. They have to at least believe that their team is getting a fair shake.

Putting Bama in over FSU was the right call when picking the "best" teams, but it undeniably damaged how fans view the committee and the fairness of the post-season. That's a bad thing, and being "right" won't change anything. 

7 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Never forget this iconic Gene Smith quote from 2021:

During a press conference at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center on Wednesday, Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith said he would not favor hosting a CFP game at the Shoe in bad weather. Instead, Smith would recommend playing the game at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, believing it would be better for the Buckeyes to play the game in a “clean environment.”

“I don't want a hard surface for the players,” Smith said. “And I know the fans would love to have it in the Shoe and maybe it’s snowing or we’re playing whoever, but that surface is a whole new ballgame. And I would prefer to have the indoor elements and have a clean field. If it was this year, I would want (Ohio State quarterback C.J. Stroud) to have good weather. It’s just that simple.”

Enjoy your December game at The Shoe - I hope it's a blizzard. 

This is the difference between someone who understands the sport and dumbass fans who buy into bullshit mythologies. Playing on cold ground in snow fucking sucks. Getting tackled and tackling on that surface is miserable and can lead to injuries. It also favors the less talented team, especially when the team likes to throw the ball. There's no "advantage" for a school like OSU in playing in the snow, you just limit your offense and increase your risk of injury. 

[Pam Cummings 9805]

5 minutes ago, po elvis said:

I don't believe that Bama is a great team. They don't have to be to be considered the 11th best team in the country. I think it is funny to try and pump up any teams on the bubble as if they are definitely better than any of the other teams on the bubble. The committee should just say we are going to put 6 teams in a hat and choose that way so it is fair.

Fuck it, that makes as much sense as anything.

[Js1 86413]

3 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

This is the difference between someone who understands the sport and dumbass fans who buy into bullshit mythologies. Playing on cold ground in snow fucking sucks. Getting tackled and tackling on that surface is miserable and can lead to injuries. It also favors the less talented team, especially when the team likes to throw the ball. There's no "advantage" for a school like OSU in playing in the snow, you just limit your offense and increase your risk of injury. 

Then don't lose to 6-5 Michigan at home as a 20 point favorite

 

[The_Great_Hornsby 3585]

1 hour ago, Pam Cummings said:

Dude. They got absolutely smoked by a bad OU team. At a time where they knew they couldnt lose. Do you watch games or just blindly think Bama is some good team?

I think Bama has extreme variation in the quality of their play. They can beat anyone and lose to anyone. Not great qualities. However, they are being compared to other teams with deep flaws also. I really dont give a fuck who the 11th place team is though, and you shouldnt care that much either. ACC and Big 12 are shit tier conferences and they will both be eliminated by the semifinals. 

[The Dog 44650]

22 minutes ago, MrX said:

Clemson wins and the committee takes the easy way out and keeps SMU in the field, eliminating the three loss SEC teams altogether.

That was Finebaum's take on Sunday. He's hedged a bit since then, but remember the committee will always default to "easy."